Name: 俄羅斯連續兩晚襲擊基輔的新策略 (New Russian tactic on the second consecutive night of attacks on Kyiv)
Uploaded: 2025-07-10T15:37:16.000Z
Duration: 10 min 48 s

基礎被動語態

World leaders are gathered at a summit in Italy to consider how to rebuild Ukraine and its future.

世界各國領導人齊聚意大利召開峰會，審議如何重建烏克蘭及其未來。

We're expecting Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to speak from that recovery conference next hour.

我們期待烏克蘭總統沃洛德梅爾-澤連斯基在下一小時的恢復會議上發言。

But some 2,000 kilometers away, Russia's attacks on Ukraine have shown no signs of slowing down.

但是，在大約 2000 公里之外，俄羅斯對烏克蘭的攻擊絲毫沒有減弱的跡象。

Residents of Kiev are surveying the damage following one of the most ferocious aerial assaults by Moscow since the start of this war.

莫斯科發動了開戰以來最猛烈的空襲之一，基輔居民正在查看空襲造成的損失。

President Zelensky says some 400 drones were launched for over 10 hours as the bombardment continued for a second night on his country's capital.

澤倫斯基總統說，在對該國首都的轟炸持續了第二個晚上的同時，約 400 架無人機發射了 10 多個小時。

And he called it an obvious build-up of terror by Russia.

他說這顯然是俄羅斯在製造恐怖。

Despite this, the Kremlin, for its part, says the peace process hasn't stalled and that Russia still prefers a diplomatic solution.

儘管如此，克里姆林宮方面表示，和平進程並未停滯，俄羅斯仍傾向於外交解決方案。

CNN's senior international correspondent Ben Wiedemann is in Rome, where that Ukraine recovery conference is taking place.

CNN資深國際記者本-韋德曼（Ben Wiedemann）正在羅馬參加烏克蘭復興會議。

And Ben, CNN produces on the ground in Kiev overnight, reporting drones and missiles, quote, flying at different altitudes, attacking from all directions, with some of the drones initially bypassing the capital before abruptly changing direction and speeding back towards the capital.

本，CNN製作人連夜在基輔實地報道了無人機和飛彈的情況，報道稱，無人機和飛彈以不同的高度飛行，從各個方向發起攻擊，其中一些無人機最初繞過首都，然後突然改變方向，加速飛回首都。

我們的觀眾可以在線閱讀全文。

Ben, how are evolving Russian tactics, as you see it, and increased bombardments affecting the sense of urgency in the meetings where you are today?

本，在你看來，不斷演變的俄羅斯戰術和不斷增加的轟炸對你今天所在會議的緊迫感有何影響？

Well, the meeting did seem to have an air of urgency in terms of just the strength of the rhetoric we are hearing from European leaders.

從歐洲領導人的言辭力度來看，這次會議確實有一種緊迫感。

Donald Tusk, for instance, the prime minister of Poland, was saying that there will be no recovery without victory.

例如，波蘭總理唐納德-圖斯克說，沒有勝利就沒有復甦。

We are here to discuss how to help Ukraine not only to survive, but to win and to rise again.

我們在此討論如何幫助烏克蘭不僅生存下來，而且贏得勝利並重新崛起。

Now, the European Commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, also was saying that this conference is really all about bringing Ukraine into Europe and that Ukraine has two flags, the flag of Ukraine and the flag of Europe, and that Ukraine's future is with Europe.

現在，歐盟委員會主席烏蘇拉-馮德萊恩（Ursula von der Leyen）也在說，這次會議的真正目的是將烏克蘭帶入歐洲，烏克蘭有兩面旗幟，一面是烏克蘭的旗幟，另一面是歐洲的旗幟，烏克蘭的未來在歐洲。

Now, Keith Kellogg, the American special envoy for Russia and Ukraine, is here in Rome.

現在，美國俄羅斯和烏克蘭問題特使基思-凱洛格正在羅馬。

He did attend the conference, and he gave a fairly boilerplate speech.

他確實出席了會議，並發表了相當模板化的演講。

But really, the focus has been the urgency among European leaders that they really need to step up and take the lead, in a sense, in terms of supporting Ukraine.

但實際上，重點是歐洲領導人迫切希望他們真正站出來，在某種意義上帶頭支持烏克蘭。

Von der Leyen, for instance, made the point that Europe as a whole is the largest donor to Ukraine at the moment, although the United States is the single largest nation to provide assistance to Ukraine.

例如，馮德萊恩指出，儘管美國是向烏克蘭提供援助最多的單一國家，但整個歐洲目前是烏克蘭最大的捐助國。

But I think the feeling is that given the unpredictability, so to say, of the Trump administration and the fact that this president in the White House seems to blow hot and cold on Ukraine, depending upon his mood at any given hour, that really the adults in the room, the European leaders who are so much closer to Ukraine, really have to focus on providing the assistance Ukraine needs at a time when we're seeing the pressure from Russia is increasing.

但我認為，考慮到特朗普政府的不可預測性，以及白宮這位總統在烏克蘭問題上似乎忽冷忽熱，這取決於他在任何特定時刻的情緒，房間裡的成年人，即與烏克蘭關係更為密切的歐洲領導人，確實必須在我們看到來自俄羅斯的壓力不斷增加的時候，集中精力為烏克蘭提供所需的援助。

The Russians have always depended in Ukraine on the fact that it's a bigger country, a larger population.

俄羅斯人在烏克蘭一直依賴於烏克蘭是一個面積更大、人口更多的國家這一事實。

They are able to sacrifice more in terms of resources and lives and wealth in this war.

在這場戰爭中，他們能夠犧牲更多的資源、生命和財富。

And I think the Russians are trying to take the long view and just wear the Ukrainians down.

我認為俄羅斯人是想從長計議，拖垮烏克蘭人。

And I think the Europeans realize that if they don't step up, if they continue to depend on the United States, Ukraine may indeed start to seriously lose in this three-year-old war.  And I get your point.

我認為歐洲人意識到，如果他們不挺身而出，如果他們繼續依賴美國，烏克蘭可能真的會在這場長達三年的戰爭中開始嚴重失利。  我明白你的意思。

It's so, you know, the people in the room, frankly, finding it quite difficult to sort of look beyond the conflict at present.

坦率地說，會議室裡的人很難跳出目前的衝突來看待問題。

This is the fourth Ukraine recovery summit.

And I wonder whether those leading the conference have specific goals for rebuilding, considering Ukraine is increasingly ravaged by war.

考慮到烏克蘭日益遭受戰爭蹂躪，我想知道上司這次會議的人是否有具體的重建目標。

For instance, today UNICEF reporting that 70 percent of Ukraine's kids don't have access to basic goods and services like food, clothes, books and heating.

例如，聯合國兒童基金會今天報告說，烏克蘭 70% 的兒童無法獲得食品、衣服、書籍和取暖等基本商品和服務。

And they urge those there where you are to ensure that the most vulnerable are front and center in any reconstruction plans.

他們敦促你們所在的地方確保最脆弱的群體在任何重建計劃中都處於最前線和中心位置。

So again, you know, how difficult is it for these guys in the room, men and women, to look beyond this conflict to ensure that there are plans in place and plans funded, importantly, for any sort of day after at this point?

所以，你知道，在座的這些人，無論男女，要想超越這場衝突，確保制定計劃併為計劃提供資金，重要的是，為任何形式的 "後日 "制定計劃，在這一點上有多難？

Yeah, keep in mind that there are many companies that are taking part in this conference because it really is, even though the focus is on the situation today, the sort of long-term view is recovery after the war.

是的，請記住，有許多公司都參加了這次會議，因為它確實是，儘管重點是今天的形勢，但從長遠來看，是戰後復甦。

And certainly for the Europeans, they realize this is a large country, 40 million people with significant resources in terms of minerals, industry, agriculture, and so on.

當然，對於歐洲人來說，他們意識到這是一個擁有 4000 萬人口的大國，在礦產、工業、農業等方面擁有大量資源。

And there is a realization that they do need to prepare the way when the war eventually comes to an end to provide the kind of assistance to prevent Ukraine from sort of going backwards in terms of its post-war recovery.

人們意識到，當戰爭最終結束時，他們確實需要做好準備，提供相應的援助，以防止烏克蘭戰後恢復出現倒退。

Of course, the fear is that once the war is over, the world's attention could turn elsewhere and the situation in Ukraine could deteriorate.

當然，人們擔心的是，一旦戰爭結束，世界的注意力可能會轉向別處，烏克蘭的局勢可能會惡化。

So definitely the focus is on opportunities, on the needs of Ukraine in the post-war era, although obviously the immediate focus is the situation in Ukraine right now.

是以，我們的重點肯定是戰後烏克蘭的機遇和需求，儘管眼下的重點顯然是烏克蘭的局勢。

Let's bring in Alex Goncharenko, a member of the Ukrainian parliament.

下面有請烏克蘭議會議員亞歷克斯-貢恰連科（Alex Goncharenko）。

So Russia launched an intense aerial assault on Ukraine's capital just hours before world leaders gathered in Rome for the Ukraine recovery conference that gets underway next hour.

就在世界各國領導人齊聚羅馬，參加下一小時開始的烏克蘭恢復會議之前幾小時，俄羅斯對烏克蘭首都發動了猛烈空襲。

What are you hoping to come out of those meetings?

您希望從這些會議中得到什麼？

First of all, what Putin tried to show making this attack against Kyiv.

首先，普京對基輔發動這次襲擊的目的是什麼？

Kyiv was attacked most of all this night and that was an awful night in Kyiv.

基輔在這一夜遭受了最嚴重的襲擊，那是基輔可怕的一夜。

And he did it to humiliate world leaders, because it sounds really ridiculous to discuss the recovery of Ukraine when destruction continues, awful destruction continues right now.

他這樣做是為了羞辱世界各國領導人，因為在破壞仍在繼續、可怕的破壞仍在繼續的情況下討論烏克蘭的恢復問題，聽起來真的很可笑。

And Putin made this signal, I just don't care, I humiliate you.

普京發出了這樣的信號：我不在乎，我羞辱你。

And I think, I hope that leaders in Rome will give an answer on this.

我想，我希望羅馬的領導人會對此做出答覆。

And the answer should be, first of all, military support and more sanctions against Russia, because in Ukraine, we can discuss for years some reconstruction, but nothing will happen because destruction will continue.

答案首先應該是軍事支持和對俄羅斯的更多制裁，因為在烏克蘭，我們可以討論多年的重建問題，但什麼也不會發生，因為破壞仍將繼續。

So that's what I'm looking forward to today, because people are killed, people are killed, a lot of people are killed.

這就是我今天所期待的，因為有人被殺，有人被殺，很多人被殺。

President Trump said Putin continues to kill people and that's true, and he should be stopped.

特朗普總統說，普京繼續殺人，這是事實，應該阻止他。

Ukraine's President Zelensky, as we just reported, discussed weapons supplies, air defences and joint defence production with the U.S. envoy on the sidelines of the summit.

正如我們剛剛報道的那樣，烏克蘭總統澤連斯基在峰會期間與美國特使討論了武器供應、防空和聯合防禦生產等問題。

And we're now learning that U.S. weapons shipments to Ukraine have resumed after the defence department paused deliveries last week.

我們現在得知，在國防部上週暫停向烏克蘭運送武器之後，美國已經恢復了向烏克蘭運送武器。

So what more are you expecting and hoping to come from the United States specifically?

那麼，您還特別期待和希望美國做些什麼呢？

That's great news that the shipments are resumed, but we need more.

貨運恢復是個好消息，但我們還需要更多。

So I heard some information about 10 Patriot missiles which will be finally sent to Ukraine.

是以，我聽到了一些關於 10 枚 "愛國者 "飛彈最終將運往烏克蘭的消息。

But for your understanding, for example, this night it was near 700 air drones and missiles which attacked Kiev.

但為了便於你們理解，比如說，今夜有近 700 架無人機和飛彈襲擊了基輔。

So 10 anti-missiles for Patriot, that's great, and we're thankful for every one of them, because every one of them can save human lives.

是以，"愛國者 "有 10 枚反導彈，這很好，我們感謝每一枚飛彈，因為每一枚飛彈都能挽救人的生命。

But we need not 10, not a dozen, we need hundreds and better thousands.

但我們需要的不是十個，也不是一打，而是數百個，甚至數千個。

And Russia is producing their missiles and drones in thousands, as we see.

正如我們所見，俄羅斯正在生產成千上萬的飛彈和無人機。

And the world should answer, because today it is Kiev.

世界應該回答，因為今天是基輔。

If it will not be stopped and Russia will continue such pace of and the West will not ramp up its military production, sooner or later this will be Warsaw, Berlin, Paris and other European capitals which will be under Russian missiles attack.

如果不加以制止，俄羅斯將繼續這樣的步伐，而西方又不加強軍工生產，那麼華沙、柏林、巴黎和其他歐洲國家的首都遲早會遭到俄羅斯飛彈的攻擊。

And what more can you tell us about the impact of these recent and intense Russian attacks?

您還能告訴我們俄羅斯最近這些猛烈襲擊的影響嗎？

And what happens if the U.S. doesn't keep supplying more weapons for Ukraine in the weeks and months ahead?

如果美國在未來幾周或幾個月內不繼續向烏克蘭提供更多武器，會發生什麼？

We worry about that very much, because this is the biggest concern.

我們對此非常擔心，因為這是最大的擔憂。

The United States is our biggest military ally.

We're thankful to all countries which support Ukraine, but the biggest military ally is the United States of America.

我們感謝所有支持烏克蘭的國家，但最大的軍事盟友是美利堅合眾國。

What will happen if there will be not a sufficient U.S. military support?

如果美國沒有足夠的軍事支持，會發生什麼情況？

Thousands of people will be killed, Russia will continue to advance, and the whole world will ask, is the United States really a partner you can rely on?

成千上萬的人將被殺害，俄羅斯將繼續推進，全世界都會問，美國真的是你們可以依靠的夥伴嗎？

If Ukraine, which voluntarily gave up its third largest nuclear arsenal in the world in 1994 under American and British guarantees, is coming through what we are coming, so what will happen with any other country in the world?

1994 年，烏克蘭在美國和英國的保證下自願放棄了其世界第三大核武庫，如果烏克蘭正在經歷我們正在經歷的一切，那麼世界上任何其他國家將會發生什麼呢？

That will be the end of non-proliferation policy, and there will be start of complete chaos in the world when big countries will decide that they can take whatever they want from smaller ones.

這將是不擴散政策的終結，當大國決定它們可以從小國那裡拿走任何它們想要的東西時，世界將開始完全混亂。

Alex Gonchalenko, thank you so much for joining us.

亞歷克斯-貢恰連科，非常感謝您接受我們的採訪。