Name: 關於克勞德密碼的對話 (A conversation on Claude Code)
Uploaded: 2025-06-26T21:28:23.000Z
Duration: 20 min 44 s

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Are we sure we want to give it to people?

Because this is the same tool everyone at Anthropic uses every day.

因為這是 Anthropic 的每個人每天都在使用的工具。

I lead Cloud Relations here at Anthropic.

我是 Anthropic 公司雲關係部的負責人。

I'm a member of technical staff and creator of Cloud Code.

我是技術人員，也是雲代碼的創建者。

Today, we're going to be talking about Cloud Code.

Boris, to start, what is Cloud Code, and how did it come about?

鮑里斯，首先請問什麼是雲代碼，它是如何誕生的？

Cloud Code is a way to do agentic coding in the terminal.

雲代碼是一種在終端進行代理編碼的方法。

So you don't have to adopt new tools, you don't have to use new IDs, you don't have to use a particular website or anything.

是以，你不必採用新的工具，不必使用新的 ID，也不必使用特定的網站或任何東西。

It's just agentic coding, and it works wherever you work.

這只是代理編碼，無論你在哪裡工作，它都能發揮作用。

And I think that actually came out of the way Anthropic engineers and researchers use tools to get the job done.

我認為，這實際上是人類學工程師和研究人員利用工具完成工作的一種方式。

Because people have all sorts of different stacks.

There isn't one normal stack everyone uses.

並不存在一種人人都用的普通堆棧。

There's people that use the Zed ID, and there's people that use VS Code, and then there's people that are like, you're never going to take my Vim from me, probably from my cold, dead hands.

有的人使用 Zed ID，有的人使用 VS Code，還有的人則想：你永遠別想從我手裡奪走我的 Vim，也許就是從我冰冷的手中。

And we wanted to build something that works for everyone.

我們希望打造一款適合所有人的產品。

And that's how we ended up in the terminal.

So the terminal is almost the most universal of all the interfaces, in that it's flexible, and it's incorporated into everybody's workflow already.

是以，終端幾乎是所有界面中最通用的，因為它非常靈活，而且已經融入了每個人的工作流程。

And it also just happens to be the simplest.

And because it's so simple, we get to iterate really fast.

因為它非常簡單，所以我們的迭代速度非常快。

That's kind of in hindsight, it turned out to be a good thing, but it definitely wasn't the intent from the start.

事後看來，這是一件好事，但這絕對不是我們一開始的初衷。

So if I'm a new developer and I want to be using Cloud Code, what does that look like to actually get this product working?

那麼，如果我是一名新開發人員，我想使用雲代碼，那麼實際使用該產品的過程是怎樣的？

It's npm install-g add-anthropic-ai-cloud-code.

這是 npm install-g add-anthropic-ai-cloud-code。

So you download it, you just need Node.js on your system, and a lot of people have that.

下載後，你只需要在系統中安裝 Node.js，很多人都有這個功能。

You open it up, and it'll walk you through everything else.

你打開它，它就會引導你完成其他所有操作。

So you just type Cloud into the terminal, hit enter, and then that's it.

是以，你只需在終端中輸入 Cloud，按下回車鍵，然後就可以了。

And Cloud will guide you through the rest of the process, and then you can just start talking to it, and it'll start coding.

雲會引導你完成剩下的過程，然後你就可以開始與它對話，它就會開始編碼。

One of the cool things is Cloud works in any terminal, like you said.

就像你說的，"雲 "可以在任何終端上運行，這一點很酷。

So if you use iTerm2 or Apple Terminal or whatever terminal you use, even in an SSH session or TMAC session, it'll work.

是以，即使在 SSH 會話或 TMAC 會話中，只要使用 iTerm2 或 Apple Terminal 或其他任何終端，就能正常工作。

One of the top ways that people use Cloud Code is within IDE terminals.

人們使用雲代碼的主要方式之一是在集成開發環境終端中使用。

So one thing you can do is run Cloud within, for example, VS Code terminal, and it'll become more powerful.

是以，你可以在 VS Code 等終端中運行 Cloud，這樣它就會變得更強大。

So instead of seeing file edits in the terminal, you're going to see them nice and big and beautiful in the IDE itself.

是以，你將在集成開發環境中看到漂亮的文件編輯，而不是在終端中看到。

And we use more signals from the IDE also to make Cloud more intelligent.

此外，我們還利用來自集成開發環境的更多信號，讓雲計算變得更加智能。

So there's a lot there that I want to get to in a second, but before we get to that, so we released Cloud Code in February.

所以有很多東西我想馬上講到，但在講之前，我們在二月份發佈了《雲代碼》。

What's the reaction been from the community?

Before we released it, we weren't sure if we want to release it.

在發佈之前，我們還不確定是否要發佈。

It was this tool that internally makes our engineers and researchers so productive.

正是這一工具在內部使我們的工程師和研究人員如此富有成效。

And yeah, I think it turned out to be kind of the right decision, because it makes people more productive and people like it.

是的，我認為這是一個正確的決定，因為它能提高人們的工作效率，人們也喜歡它。

What was the moment that you knew we had to ship it?

你是在什麼時候知道我們必須運送它的？

So it started kind of in a small group, and it was just a few people in our core team using it.

是以，它是在一個小團體中開始的，只有我們核心團隊中的幾個人在使用它。

And then at some point we gave it to all Anthropic employees, and there was this DAU chart.

後來，我們把它分發給了 Anthropic 的所有員工，然後就有了這張 DAU 圖表。

So the daily actives, just looking at employees, and it was vertical for three days straight.

是以，每天的活動，只是看員工，連續三天都是垂直的。

And we were like, all right, this is crazy.

我們當時想，好吧，這太瘋狂了。

And then at some point we gave it to a few people externally just to see, are we crazy?

後來，我們把它給了外部的一些人，想看看我們是不是瘋了？

And all of the feedback was just super positive.

So it really took fire within Anthropic first.

是以，它真的是先在人類學內部著了火。

And then all the engineers, all the researchers were using it themselves, and that made it pretty obvious for us that we should put it out into the world as well.

然後，所有的工程師和研究人員都在使用它，這讓我們很明顯地意識到，我們也應該把它推向世界。

Yeah, and that's a big way that we developed this thing.

是啊，這也是我們開發這個東西的一個重要原因。

Quad Code 是使用 Quad Code 編寫的。

Almost all the code in Quad Code has been written and rewritten and rewritten using Quad Code.

Quad Code 中的幾乎所有代碼都是用 Quad Code 編寫、改寫和重寫的。

It's so important because when you use a product that has obviously been dogfooded, you can feel it.

這一點非常重要，因為當你使用的產品明顯是 "狗糧 "時，你就能感覺到它的存在。

In the products I use every day, I can feel this is something that the team uses all the time, and this is not.

在我每天使用的產品中，我能感覺到這是團隊一直在使用的東西，而這不是。

We just wanted this to be one of those products that when you pick it up and try it, it's obvious a lot of love went into it.

我們只是希望，當你拿起這款產品試用時，能明顯感受到我們對它的喜愛。

Who do you think is the ideal Quad Code customer right now?

您認為誰是 Quad Code 的理想客戶？

I think the biggest thing is Quad Code is pretty expensive.

我認為最大的問題是 Quad Code 非常昂貴。

If you're coding on the weekends, you can try it for a little bit.

如果你在週末編碼，你可以嘗試一下。

You get an API key and put in $5 and you can just try it.

你只需獲得一個 API 密鑰，然後投入 5 美元，就可以試一試了。

But if you want to use it for more serious work, it'll cost you $50, $100, $200 a month, something like this.

但如果你想用它來做更重要的工作，每月就要花 50、100 或 200 美元，類似這樣。

There's a lot of enterprises that are using it, so if you're in a big company, it tends to be a really good fit.

有很多企業都在使用它，所以如果你在一家大公司，它往往非常適合你。

它在大型代碼庫方面表現出色。

You just run it and it works out of the box for pretty much every big code base in any language.

你只需運行它，它就能開箱即用，適用於幾乎所有語言的大型代碼庫。

One thing that we found is when people were using API keys to pay for this, they were a little worried about their usage.

我們發現，當人們使用 API 密鑰付費時，他們對使用情況有些擔心。

They didn't use it as much as they wanted.

他們並沒有如願以償地使用它。

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