Name: 讓紅牛確信維斯塔潘被剝奪了沙特阿拉伯大獎賽勝利的證據 (The evidence that convinced Red Bull Verstappen was robbed of Saudi Arabian GP victory)
Uploaded: 2025-04-29T03:52:49.000Z
Duration: 10 min 47 s

A penalty robbed Max Verstappen of victory in the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix, or at least you think that if you are Verstappen or Red Bull, to the point where team boss Christian Horner had to brandish new evidence to us to argue the case that Verstappen's penalty was unfair.

馬克斯-維斯塔潘在沙特阿拉伯大獎賽中被罰下，至少如果你是維斯塔潘或紅牛，你會這麼認為，以至於車隊老闆克里斯蒂安-霍納（Christian Horner）不得不向我們展示新的證據，以證明對維斯塔潘的處罰是不公平的。

基礎被動語態

We're going to get into that and a lot more, but first of all, John, we should explain why Verstappen was punished in the first place for that run-in with Oskar Piastri.

約翰，首先我們要解釋一下，為什麼維斯塔潘會因為與奧斯卡-皮亞斯特里（Oskar Piastri）發生衝突而受到處罰。

是的，一切都取決於第一回合。

So Oskar Piastri made a great start from the front row and pulled alongside him.

於是，奧斯卡-皮亞斯特里從前排起步，與他並駕齊驅。

In basic terms, he was down the inside and gone.

Max tried to go around the outside, ran off the track and is gone.

馬克斯試圖從外側繞過，結果衝出了賽道，不見了蹤影。

In F1, they operate under driving guidelines, which are kind of rules that drivers have to follow and certain criteria that are hidden.

在 F1 中，他們根據駕駛指南進行操作，這是車手必須遵守的一種規則，也是某些隱藏的標準。

We don't get to see it, but we kind of pick up information.

我們看不到它，但我們能捕捉到一些資訊。

But as far as we understand, there are four criteria that turn this incident that kind of confirmed that Oskar Piastri was in the right with this move.

但據我們瞭解，這一事件的轉捩點有四個標準，這四個標準證實了奧斯卡-皮亞斯特里的這一舉動是正確的。

The front axle was alongside Max Verstappen's mirror.

前車軸與馬克斯-維斯塔潘的後視鏡並排。

The second was that the driver had to overtake, his car had to be fully under his own control, which it was because he took the corner.

其次，駕駛員必須超車，他的車必須完全在自己的控制之下，而這正是因為他拐了彎。

The third aspect was he couldn't deliberately push his rival off the track, which he didn't because Max Verstappen was voluntarily alongside him.

第三個方面是他不能故意將對手擠出賽道，而他並沒有這樣做，因為馬克斯-維斯塔潘是自願與他並肩作戰的。

And he also had to keep his own car on the track as well, which he did because he came through turn one well within track limits and disappeared onto the outside.

他還必須讓自己的賽車保持在賽道上，他做到了，因為他在賽道極限範圍內通過了一號彎，然後消失在外側。

So from Piastri's perspective, it was a fully legitimate move, everything all good.

是以，從皮亞斯特里的角度來看，這是一次完全合法的行動，一切都很順利。

Max Verstappen, the telemetry data showed he had carried too much speed into the run-off area, ran off the track and another circumstance also, didn't attempt to slow down and come back on at an early point, basically booted it, tried to straight line it, maintained quite a big advantage over Oskar Piastri and gone.

馬克斯-維斯塔潘（Max Verstappen）的遙測數據顯示，他在衝出賽道時速度過快，衝出了賽道，而且在另一個情況下也是如此，他沒有試圖減速，而是在很早的時候就回到了賽道上，基本上是一腳油門，試圖直線行駛，保持了對奧斯卡-皮亞斯特里（Oskar Piastri）相當大的優勢，然後就衝了出去。

Stewards weren't happy with what they saw.

管理者對他們看到的情況並不滿意。

They felt Oskar had fulfilled the criteria he needed to.

他們認為奧斯卡已經達到了他所需要的標準。

Max had done what he shouldn't have done.

And I think the fact that Max was heading off track himself is a key reason why they didn't feel that Piastri had forced Verstappen off one of those four criteria that you were mentioning there.

我認為，馬克斯自己衝出賽道的事實，是他們不認為皮亞斯特里迫使維斯塔潘偏離您剛才提到的四個標準之一的關鍵原因。

現在，紅牛公司對此並不認同。

And actually, I was at Christian Horner's media session and Christian came out armed with evidence.

事實上，我參加了克里斯蒂安-霍納的媒體見面會，克里斯蒂安帶著證據出來了。

He's done this a couple of times before and this time it was actually new evidence.

他以前也這麼幹過幾次，這次實際上是新證據。

It was a printed image of a different camera that hadn't been available at the time.

這是一臺不同相機的打印影像，當時還沒有這款相機。

There was an onboard camera on Verstappen's car pointing forward, but this one was slightly different.

維斯塔潘的賽車上有一個車載攝像頭指向前方，但這個攝像頭略有不同。

This actually showed a little bit more of the front right corner of Piastri's car.

這實際上讓我們看到了皮亞斯特里賽車右前角的一些細節。

And Red Bull argues, Horner argued, that what this showed is that Verstappen was not only alongside Piastri, but ahead at the point that Piastri was at the apex of the corner.

紅牛和霍納都認為，這表明維斯塔潘不僅與皮亞斯特里並肩作戰，而且在皮亞斯特里到達彎道頂點時還在前方。

I think the stewards disagree exactly on the positioning there because they think that actually showed what happened slightly further around the corner when Verstappen's releasing the brakes and running wide.

我認為裁判在定位上有不同意見，因為他們認為這實際上顯示了維斯塔潘在彎道稍遠的地方鬆開剎車後發生的情況。

But Horner and Red Bull are absolutely adamant that Verstappen had done enough to be owed space and they felt that Piastri had crowded Verstappen out rather than Verstappen voluntarily going off track or choosing to go off track.

但霍納和紅牛絕對堅持認為，維斯塔潘已經做得夠好了，他們認為是皮亞斯特里把維斯塔潘擠出了賽道，而不是維斯塔潘主動偏離賽道或選擇偏離賽道。

But the Red Bull position is unsurprisingly firm in Verstappen's favour.

但紅牛車隊的位置毫無意外地對維斯塔潘有利。

We've seen this plenty of times before, but what did McLaren think?

這種情況我們見得多了，但邁凱輪是怎麼想的呢？

Because while I was hearing from Christian Horner, you were getting Andrea Steller's point of view.

因為當我聽到克里斯蒂安-霍納說的時候，你聽到的是安德烈婭-斯特勒的觀點。

Yeah, Andrea Steller was very calm about the whole matter, as he invariably is.

是的，安德里亞-斯泰勒對整件事非常冷靜，他一向如此。

He said he's surprised there's even polemics, he said, about this matter.

他說，他很驚訝在這件事上竟然還有爭論。

He said Oskar Piastri had won the right to the corner, he was ahead not only on the entry corner, he was ahead at the apex.

他說，奧斯卡-皮亞斯特里贏得了入彎權，他不僅在入彎時領先，而且在頂點時也領先。

The corner was legitimately his, as was confirmed by the fact that he went through it, stayed on the track and carried on.

這個彎道理所當然是他的，這一點從他通過彎道、留在賽道上並繼續前進這一事實中得到了證實。

So he's thought, I don't even see what the problem is here.

所以他想，我根本看不出這裡有什麼問題。

He says Oskar Piastri fully understands the need to race clean, fully very precise in terms of where he positioned his car and he actually suggested that the onus was on Red Bull to have realised they'd done wrong.

他說，奧斯卡-皮亞斯特里完全理解乾淨比賽的必要性，他對賽車的定位非常精確，他實際上認為紅牛有責任意識到他們做錯了。

They said in Bahrain, when Lando Nardin was racing Lewis Hamilton, there was a moment where Lando had taken a position off track, even though McLaren felt that Lewis had potentially pushed Lando a bit wide and it wasn't 100% Lando's fault, but that's an irrelevance that they knew they had to give the position back, so they gave the position back because the onus is on the team to take this decision.

他們說，在巴林站，當蘭多-納丁與劉易斯-漢密爾頓（Lewis Hamilton）比賽時，蘭多在賽道外佔據了一個位置，儘管邁凱輪車隊認為劉易斯有可能把蘭多推得有點遠，而且這也不是蘭多的全部過錯，但這無關緊要，他們知道必須把位置讓回來，所以他們把位置讓了回來，因為車隊有責任做出這個決定。

So from McLaren's perspective, they said that's what they did last weekend and accepted it.

是以，從邁凱輪的角度來看，他們說這就是他們上週末所做的，並接受了這一事實。

This is what they think Red Bull should have done this time.

這就是他們認為紅牛這次應該做的。

The reason that they didn't do that is because Red Bull didn't think Verstappen had done anything wrong.

他們之所以沒有這麼做，是因為紅牛認為維斯塔潘沒有做錯任何事。

I actually think the real reason might be that they knew if they told Verstappen to hand the position back, he probably wasn't going to.

實際上，我認為真正的原因可能是，他們知道如果讓維斯塔潘把位置交還給他們，他可能不會交還。

So there was obviously a difference there.

We're going to come on to Max's reaction and also what we think about this in a second because while Red Bull and McLaren made their own positions very clear, Max was playing things a little bit closer to the chest.

我們稍後將討論馬克斯的反應以及我們對此事的看法，因為當紅牛和邁凱輪車隊明確表達了自己的立場時，馬克斯卻把話說得更近一些。

Before we go further, we should talk about whether or not anything more is going to come from this.

在進一步討論之前，我們應該先談談是否還會有什麼新的進展。

You can't protest a time penalty in the race.

你不能在比賽中抗議計時處罰。

Max also served it, so it wasn't like it was one that was added on at the end or anything like that, but you can, as we've seen so many teams do over the last few years, you can petition for a right of review, but it doesn't look like Red Bull is going to do that.

馬克斯也服了藥，所以這並不像最後加的藥或類似的東西，但你可以，就像我們在過去幾年裡看到的許多車隊所做的那樣，你可以申請複審權，但看起來紅牛不會這麼做。

They do want to raise the matter with the FIA.

他們確實想向國際汽聯提出此事。

I did check before we started recording, that hadn't happened, but that image that Horner was brandishing when he came out to see us, he was keen that the FIA saw that onboard footage as Red Bull felt that it showed something different and they wanted to get clarity from that.

在我們開始錄製之前，我確實檢查過，沒有發生過這種情況，但霍納出來見我們時揮舞著的那張圖片，他非常希望國際汽聯能看到車載錄像，因為紅牛認為它顯示了一些不同的東西，他們希望從中得到澄清。

So I think the intention is to have that discussion, but they seem to feel it would be forlorn to go down the right of review route because the stewards had been unanimous in the original decision and they didn't feel they'd get anywhere.

是以，我認為他們的目的是要進行討論，但他們似乎覺得走複審權這條路會很無奈，因為監管人員在最初的決定中是一致的，他們覺得不會有任何結果。

So should we consider the matter to be dead and buried in terms of any changes to this race or challenging it from Red Bull's point of view?

那麼，從紅牛的角度來看，我們是否應該認為這件事已經塵埃落定，不會再有任何改變或挑戰呢？

I think in terms of this race, it's finished.

I don't think Red Bull have any particular interest in trying to force a case, take it further, push the right of review, try to get this result changed because it's done.

我不認為紅牛公司有任何特別的興趣，試圖迫使一個案件，進一步發展，推動複審權，試圖改變這一結果，因為它已經完成了。

Max has served his penalty, the race has happened.

馬克斯已經接受了處罰，比賽已經結束。

You can't have a situation where they try and get a calculator out and work out the time lost in the pit stop that he took in moving forward.

你不可能出現這樣的情況：他們試圖拿出一個計算器，計算出他在前進過程中因進站而損失的時間。

But I think what Red Bull will want is some more clarity on these racing rules and what are the criteria, how defined are they in terms of who has the right to the corner?

但我認為，紅牛想要的是更清晰地瞭解這些比賽規則，以及標準是什麼，在誰有權進入彎道方面有多明確？

In particular, what are the responsibilities for the driver during the overtaking to leave room on the exit?

特別是，在超車過程中，駕駛員有哪些責任在出口處留出空間？

I think this is the thing they still aren't happy about, that there was no room for Max to turn left.

我想這就是他們至今仍不滿意的地方，因為沒有空間讓馬克斯左轉。

Even if he wasn't carrying too much speed in, if there wasn't space for him, he would have had to give the position.

即使他的速度不是太快，如果沒有空位，他也不得不讓出位置。

And I think it's become more important also because we've seen in a season where overtaking is incredibly difficult.

我認為這一點變得更加重要，因為我們已經看到本賽季超車變得異常困難。

Dirty air is a huge problem now, as we're seeing all the time.

髒空氣現在是個大問題，我們一直都能看到。

So races are going to be won at the first corner.

是以，比賽將在第一個彎道決出勝負。

We're going to go to tracks like Miami, we're going to go to tracks like Imola where there are similar types of corners where you want to get down the inside and you can potentially force your rival out or force him wide or do anything.

我們會去邁阿密這樣的賽道，我們會去伊莫拉這樣的賽道，那裡有類似類型的彎道，你想從內側進入，就有可能把對手逼出來，或者把他逼寬，或者做任何事情。

So I think they want clarity, they want some answers and also Max will want those answers to know what he needs to do in a repeat situation.

是以，我認為他們想要澄清，他們想要一些答案，麥克斯也想要這些答案，以便知道在重複的情況下他需要做什麼。

Especially as we know that Max is the type of driver, as he was in this scenario, who will push what he considers to be the rules to the limit.

尤其是我們知道，麥克斯是那種會把他認為的規則發揮到極致的車手，就像他在這次比賽中一樣。

He'll push the circuit layouts to the limit as well.

He has history of taking advantage of the run-off in Turn 1 here to see if he can squeeze it and get away with it.

他曾在這裡的第 1 個彎道利用衝刺的機會，看看是否能擠過去，然後逃之夭夭。

I also think the other thing to say about the racing rules is they were tweaked for this year slightly.

我還認為，關於比賽規則還有一點需要說明，那就是今年的比賽規則略有調整。

I believe that it relates to what the defending driver needs to do rather than the attacking driver and that's what they're focused on.

我認為，這與防守車手需要做什麼有關，而不是進攻車手，這也是他們關注的重點。

But the FA don't want that information to be public at the moment.

但英足總目前不希望公開這些資訊。

It was meant to be in the International Sporting Code for this year but I think there's been so much back and forth over it, polemics to borrow that word that's still used on something else, maybe they're trying to keep their powder dry.

這本應列入今年的《國際體育運動條例》，但我認為在這方面已經有了很多反反覆覆的爭論，借用在其他事情上仍在使用的那個詞來形容就是 "論戰"。

Let's get on to Max's reaction and then also our view too.

讓我們來看看麥克斯的反應，以及我們的看法。

Max said among many other things or many other ways he chose not to comment on this, I cannot share my opinion on it because I might get penalised, which I think is a reference to the fact that he might swear if he said what he really thought and also as he pointed out, you can also get punished for hurting people's feelings, insulting people, causing moral injury and all that stuff.

馬克斯說，在他選擇不對此發表評論的許多其他事情或許多其他方式中，我不能分享我對此事的看法，因為我可能會受到懲罰，我認為這是指如果他說出他的真實想法，他可能會罵人，而且正如他指出的，你也可能因為傷害別人的感情、侮辱別人、造成精神傷害和所有這些事情而受到懲罰。

I think this was a case of Max doing a very, very good job of keeping a lid on how he really felt across his TV appearances but also in the press conference he was actually quite forthcoming on other areas but he didn't want to get drawn into this penalty discussion much like he didn't want to get drawn into his future discussion the other day.

我認為，馬克斯在電視上的表現非常非常好，他對自己的真實感受一直保持沉默，但在新聞發佈會上，他對其他方面的問題也很坦率，但他不想被捲入這次判罰的討論中，就像他那天不想被捲入未來的討論一樣。

So how do you view Verstappen's kind of silent fury?

那麼，您如何看待維斯塔潘這種無聲的憤怒呢？

I think an intelligent approach, I think he knew there was nothing to gain.

我認為這是一種明智的做法，我認為他知道這樣做沒什麼好處。

He could mouth off all he wants and criticise it and throw his toys out the pram and say this is an outrage but it doesn't get him anything, it doesn't gain anything.

他可以喋喋不休地責備，把他的玩具扔出嬰兒車，說這是一種暴行，但這不會給他帶來任何好處，也不會得到任何好處。

He's been around the block long enough to know these things come around and I think it was also interesting in the press conference today, he also talked about the problems of social media and the media themselves and he said sometimes your words can be twisted or people interpret in a different way.

在今天的新聞發佈會上，他還談到了社交媒體和媒體本身的問題，他說有時候你的話會被扭曲，或者人們會以不同的方式來解讀。

所以，老實說，還是不要多說為好。

So I think the danger also is that he says something here, it becomes a controversy and it's bubbling away, next race in Miami, it doesn't die away for two weeks and Max doesn't want to get bothered with that.

是以，我認為危險在於，他在這裡說了些什麼，就會引起爭議，而且會越演越烈，下一場在邁阿密的比賽，兩週內都不會平息。

He's got a championship to fight for in a car that still is behind the McLaren although potentially you could argue could have been the fastest car today.

他駕駛的賽車仍然落後於邁凱輪，但他有可能成為今天最快的賽車，他要為冠軍而戰。

This is what he wants to concentrate on, he's got a championship to fight for, he's got race wins to fight for, he doesn't want to get time wasted on talks about his future, talks about track limits, talks about driving guidelines.

這才是他想集中精力做的事，他要為冠軍而戰，要為比賽勝利而戰，他不想把時間浪費在談論自己的未來、談論賽道限制、談論駕駛準則上。

All he wants to concentrate on is getting on the job with the team and getting on to win races.

他只想集中精力做好車隊的工作，繼續贏得比賽。

Well, we've been hiding behind what everybody else has been saying about this for so long so we might as well finish on what we think.

好吧，我們躲在別人的說法後面已經很久了，所以我們還是把自己的想法說出來吧。

The way it's left things with Piastri obviously winning the race and Verstappen finishing second with Norris unable to recover to the podium, only finishing fourth.

皮亞斯特里顯然贏得了比賽，維斯塔潘獲得亞軍，諾里斯未能重返領獎臺，只獲得第四名。

Piastri's on 99 points, Norris is on 89 points, Verstappen 12 points back from Piastri on 87 points.

皮亞斯特里 99 分，諾里斯 89 分，維斯塔潘 87 分，落後皮亞斯特里 12 分。

Now this is a race that Verstappen could have won and yes, the penalty may have taken it away from him but you can argue it was his behaviour that did that.

現在，維斯塔潘本可以贏得這場比賽，是的，處罰可能讓他失去了勝利，但你可以說這是他的行為造成的。

I think that is a little bit of a weakness of Verstappen, sometimes he can cause problems for himself as he has here.

我認為這是維斯塔潘的一個弱點，有時他會給自己帶來麻煩，他在這裡就是這樣。

It's also worth pointing out that all of the palaver around this has taken attention away from the fact that Max actually got a slightly poor start and that's the reason he was under pressure from Piastri into Turn 1.

此外，值得指出的是，所有圍繞此事的爭論都讓人忽略了一個事實，那就是馬克斯的起步稍差，這也是他在進入 1 號彎時受到皮亞斯特里壓力的原因。

So I think the penalty was fair game as is the fact that it was a lenient penalty because there was a bit of Turn 1, lap 1 leniency.

是以，我認為這次處罰是公平的，因為第一圈第一彎的處罰有些寬鬆。