Name: 如何採訪 "幾乎 "任何人 | Mike Dronkers | TEDxHumboldtBay (How to Interview “Almost” Anyone | Mike Dronkers | TEDxHumboldtBay)
Uploaded: 2025-03-05T14:25:24.000Z
Duration: 11 min 23 s

So, interviewing is an art, but I don't treat it that way.

是以，採訪是一門藝術，但我並不這麼認為。

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This is basically a talk about not talking.

這基本上是一場關於不說話的談話。

I work at a very eclectic community radio station, and we're really lucky.

我在一家兼收幷蓄的社區廣播電臺工作，我們真的很幸運。

但是作者們，讀讀他媽的書吧。

We've got, you know, poets and drug addicts and nonprofits of every stripe and scientists, like people with job titles like Fluvial Geomorphologist, right?

我們有詩人、癮君子、各種類型的非營利組織和科學家，比如頭銜是沖積地貌學家的人，對嗎？

But the thing is, I have to have this conversation with them, and I want it to be good and meaningful.

但問題是，我必須和他們進行這樣的對話，而且我希望對話是美好而有意義的。

I really do, and I want to know what makes them tick.

我真的很想知道，是什麼讓他們這樣做。

The problem is, I'm not an expert in fluvial geomorphology, and the truth is, in this life, you get to be an expert in like one, maybe two things, max, okay?

問題是，我不是河流地貌學方面的專家，而事實是，人這一輩子，最多隻能在一兩件事上成為專家，好嗎？

那麼，你是如何渡過難關的呢？

What I want to talk to you today about is how to fake your way through an interview and hopefully have a great conversation on the other side of it, okay?

我今天要跟你們說的是，如何在面試中裝腔作勢，並希望在面試的另一面能有一次精彩的對話，好嗎？

現在，我確實得到了一些在職培訓。

And the woman who was training me, she's sort of walking me through the building.

培訓我的那個女人，正帶著我穿過大樓。

I was going to be on the air in a week, and she's like, here's how you do this, here's how you do this.

我一週後就要上節目了，她就說，這就是你要做的，這就是你要做的。

Oh, and you're going to be interviewing people.

And there's a couple other tricks that I want to share with you.

此外，我還想和大家分享幾個小竅門。

There's about six little ones and then one massive one.

大約有六個小的，還有一個大的。

下面是你採訪幾乎所有人的方法。

Don't be that guy who is like, I'm just going to wing it, man.

不要做那種 "我只是想試試而已 "的人。

And I'm looking at podcasters mostly for this.

There's this scourge of people who think that they can sit down and hold their own.

自以為可以坐享其成的人大有人在。

Secondly, it's a little arrogant and vain to think that you are.

其次，自以為是有點傲慢和虛榮。

Show your guest the basic dignity of a Google search.

向客人展示谷歌搜索的基本功能。

I suggest, since that author is coming in and you may not have read the whole book or like maybe even half of it, they're going to need you to know about it.

我建議，既然那位作者要來，而你可能還沒讀過整本書，甚至可能只讀了一半，那麼他們就需要你瞭解一下這本書。

So what you do is you find interviews they already did and somebody else can do the work for you.

所以，你要做的就是找到他們已經做過的訪談，讓別人幫你做這些工作。

Now, I'm not saying steal their questions because that's wrong.

現在，我不是說要竊取他們的問題，因為那是不對的。

But I am saying you can use the answers that they gave earlier as your jumping off point.

但我的意思是，你可以把他們之前給出的答案作為你的起點。

她還說這是一個可以偷走的動作。

So what that looks like when you take, you're basically following up on somebody else's questions.

所以，當你接聽電話時，你基本上是在跟進別人的問題。

So if that person is on NPR and that person says, well, my workflow goes like this.

所以，如果這個人在全國公共廣播電臺上說，我的工作流程是這樣的。

You can use that answer and you can pick it apart.

你可以使用這個答案，也可以把它挑出來。

It's like a normal person sets an alarm for 7.05, 7 o'clock, 7.30.

就像一個正常人把鬧鐘定在 7 點 05 分、7 點、7 點 30 分一樣。

And then they will tell you, well, you know, I did the math is how long it takes me to get to the bathroom and then the shower takes this long.

然後他們會告訴你，你知道，我算過了，我去衛生間要花多長時間，然後洗澡要花這麼長時間。

然後你就可以去比賽了，好嗎？

So 7.05, that's the Terry Gross move, follow up.

7點05分，特里-格羅斯的行動，跟進。

Now, if you're going to be finding interviews with people, this is my personal favorite.

現在，如果你要找人採訪，這是我個人的最愛。

And I hope that you remember this and steal it.

我希望你們記住這一點，並將其發揚光大。

When you read in Rolling Stone or some blog an interview, the odds are very high that that interview was done over email.

當你在《滾石》或某個博客上讀到一篇採訪時，很有可能那篇採訪是通過電子郵件完成的。

So they're thinking their answers out, it's all calculated, it's tactical.

所以他們的答案都是經過深思熟慮的，都是經過計算的，都是戰術性的。

You want the verbal things where you get the social cues and the intangibles that they're going to bring to you like a normal human in a normal human conversation where you know if they're nervous and you can help them.

你需要的是語言上的東西，在這裡你可以獲得社交線索和無形的東西，他們會像正常人一樣在正常人的對話中帶給你，你知道他們是否緊張，你可以幫助他們。

If you know that they're going to be nervous, you can see it and you can predict it, okay?

如果你知道他們會緊張，你就能看到並預測到，好嗎？

So another thing they'll telegraph to you in these other interviews that you're listening to, do they speak too fast?

所以，在你聽的其他採訪中，他們會向你暗示另一件事，他們說話是不是太快了？

Now the sidebar to that, this is a great thing.

現在，從側面來看，這是一件了不起的事情。

As an interviewer, you really, really want to hear these words.

作為面試官，你非常非常想聽到這些話。

And if you can find these sort of small time interviews, these verbal interviews that they've done, right?

如果你能找到這些小範圍的採訪，這些他們做過的口頭採訪，對嗎？

If you're going on NBC in the morning, you're going to stay up all night practicing.

如果早上要上 NBC，就得熬夜練習。

But if you were going on a high school radio station in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, you were going to phone it in from your car on your way to pick up your kids, right?

但是，如果你要去阿拉巴馬州塔斯卡盧薩的一所高中電臺，你會在去接孩子的路上在車裡打電話，對嗎？