Name: 特朗普在黑格塞斯稱其 "清醒 "後解僱了美國高級將領 (Trump fires top US general after Hegseth called him "woke")
Uploaded: 2025-02-22T14:14:39.000Z
Duration: 6 min 47 s

Well, my reaction is that the Trump Pentagon does not welcome Black people.

我的反應是，特朗普五角大樓不歡迎黑人。

They're discouraging Black people from joining.

We know also the CNO of the Navy, the Chief Naval Operations Officer, who's a woman, was also fired tonight.

我們還知道，海軍首席作戰官（CNO）也在今晚被解僱，她是一名女性。

The commander of the Air Force Vice Chief, we actually have the list up there.

空軍副司令員的名單就在上面。

然後三名軍法署署長也被解僱了。

So there was a purge of the lawyers, the senior lawyers.

是以，對律師和高級律師進行了清洗。

And the message there is that there's no rule of law left.

這裡傳遞的資訊是，法治已經蕩然無存。

And you have lawyers at every level of command.

And it's a terrible message to send out tonight.

And also, in the military, what we know is that we come from all different walks of life.

此外，在軍隊中，我們知道我們來自各行各業。

We have different economic backgrounds or different genders.

我們有著不同的經濟背景或性別。

And that there is no place for disrespect or a lack of respect for the dignity of soldiers.

不尊重或不尊重阿兵哥的尊嚴是不允許的。

One of the things to remember about CQ Brown, he was put in his previous position by Donald Trump.

關於 CQ 布朗，有一點需要記住，他之前的職位是唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump）安排的。

當他這樣做時，特朗普對他大加讚賞。

He actually was on duty today, as he always is.

實際上，他今天和往常一樣值班。

He was down at the border with our troops down there when this firing order came down.

開火命令下達時，他正在邊境與我們的部隊一起。

How can we look at this and not see this as just simply, Pete Hegseth has decided that he is a symbol of DEI.

皮特-黑格塞斯認為他是 DEI 的象徵。

I'm not going to say he's a symbol of DEI.

Secretary Hegseth was talking about how he needed to go.

黑格塞斯部長正在談論他需要如何離開。

But look at what Hegseth is talking about as the Pentagon as a whole.

但是，看看黑格塞斯所說的五角大樓整體。

He is looking to completely restructure the approach that the previous administration had.

他希望徹底改變上屆政府的做法。

That's not why Hegseth said he should be fired.

這不是黑格塞斯說他應該被解僱的原因。

He said he should be fired because he was, in his words, involved in DEI.

他說他應該被解僱，因為用他的話說，他與 DEI 有牽連。

CQ Brown, as far as we know, there's been no indication that he's been fired for cause, that he did anything wrong.

CQ Brown，據我們所知，沒有跡象表明他被解僱是有原因的，他做錯了什麼。

Even that he has some philosophical approach to war fighting that is different from the president's.

甚至認為他的作戰哲學與總統的不同。

You serve at the pleasure of the president, though.

不過，你的服務是總統的意願。

And so the president is clearly looking to go in a different direction at the Pentagon.

是以，總統顯然想在五角大樓另闢蹊徑。

So he's going to put a new team in place to do that.

是以，他將組建一個新的團隊來完成這項工作。

Well, I thought you were going to play that other clip in, I think, that same podcast where Pete Hegseth basically questioned CQ's qualifications because he was black.

我還以為你會在播客中播放另一個片段，我想是在同一個播客中，Pete Hegseth基本上質疑CQ的資格，因為他是黑人。

And this is in the Associated Press story, his remarks saying, I don't know if he's qualified.

這是美聯社的報道，他說，我不知道他是否合格。

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, because he was black.

也許是，也許不是，因為他是黑人。

So it's hard for anyone to read this other than the fact, as you pointed out, that this is a very directed purge that has nothing to do with philosophy, that has everything to do with the faces of the military.

是以，正如你所指出的，這是一次非常有針對性的大清洗，與哲學無關，而與軍隊的臉面有關。

Which Pete Hegseth has said several times that he doesn't respect women soldiers and he doesn't respect people of color serving in these positions.

Pete Hegseth曾多次表示，他不尊重女兵，也不尊重在這些崗位上服役的有色人種。

And so by putting this out there, if you're in the military and you're a person of color, or even if you're just a person of color in this country, how are you supposed to feel seeing this?

是以，如果你是軍人，你是有色人種，甚至你只是這個國家的有色人種，你看到這個會有什麼感覺？

There have only been two African-Americans who've served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

只有兩位非裔美國人擔任過參謀長聯席會議主席。

Brown was the second, Colin Powell was the first.

布朗是第二個，科林-鮑威爾是第一個。

And he's also now no longer the highest ranking black officer in the military.

他現在也不再是軍中軍銜最高的黑人軍官了。

We've been hearing a lot of about military readiness.

我們聽到了很多關於軍事準備的消息。

A lot of these men and women who got their jobs lost today have spent their whole life dedicated to defending the flag and defending this country, no matter the color of their skin, just like you said.

就像你說的，今天失去工作的這些人中，有很多人一生都在致力於捍衛國旗、保衛國家，無論他們的膚色如何。

And I think that that's what we have to think about, military readiness, because that's what Republicans have been using to justify some of the DE&I stuff that's been going on within the military and all branches of the government now that Trump's in office.

我認為，這就是我們必須思考的問題，即軍事準備，因為這正是共和黨人一直用來為特朗普上臺後軍隊和政府各部門內發生的一些 "DE&I "行為辯護的理由。

But these are real folks with real experience.

I've worked with groups like VoteVets around the country and worked with folks who I admire every day because of the sacrifices they make for our country.

我曾在全國各地與類似 "VoteVets "這樣的團體合作，每天都與我敬佩的人們共事，因為他們為我們的國家做出了犧牲。

And thinking about these folks that's done this under this auspice and the voter out there and in the focus groups the last election we were in, this is not.

想想這些在我們主持下完成這項工作的人，想想我們參加的上一次選舉中的選民和焦點小組，這不是我們的工作。

Sure, everybody voted for change in some form or fashion, but I don't think this is the change they voted for.

當然，每個人都投票支持某種形式或方式的變革，但我不認為這就是他們投票支持的變革。

And I think there's going to be repercussions for this kind of anxiety now that we're going to have in a tenuous world.

我認為，在這個脆弱的世界上，我們現在的這種焦慮會產生影響。

Before you jump in, I want to ask you about something you raised, too, the JAG situation.

在你插話之前，我也想問一下你提出的問題，即軍法署署長的情況。

Three of the highest-ranking military lawyers were...

They're saying they're accepting nominations.

This is also Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who, in his confirmation hearing, he was questioned about his use of the term JAG-off, and he suggested that JAGs, rather than enforcing the law, they are trying to get promotions and that they don't have the best interests of rank-and-file soldiers.

這也是國防部長皮特-黑格塞斯（Pete Hegseth），在他的確認聽證會上，他被質疑使用了 "JAG-off "一詞，他暗示軍法署署長們不是在執法，而是在努力獲得晉升，他們並不為普通阿兵哥的最大利益著想。

Well, I deeply disagree with that conclusion.

We can't forget, also, Pete Hegseth advocated to Trump for pardoning people who were accused of war crimes.

我們也不能忘記，皮特-黑格塞斯曾向特朗普主張赦免那些被指控犯有戰爭罪的人。

I mean, the fact is he convinced Trump to issue pardons to three officers who were engaged in war crimes, and people witnessed that.

我的意思是，事實是他說服特朗普向三名犯有戰爭罪的軍官頒發了赦免令，人們目睹了這一切。

And when you don't take accountability, that actually diminishes unit cohesion, because when people are treated differently and it looks unfair, then that is a real demoralizing occurrence.

而當你不承擔責任時，這實際上會削弱部隊的凝聚力，因為當人們受到不同的待遇，而這看起來又不公平時，就會真正打擊士氣。

And I would add that when you take out the legal, the top legal officers, you're talking about the White House sees itself as the law and order over the armed forces, but actually you need lawyers at every level of command.

我還想補充一點，當你把法律部門、最高級別的法律官員排除在外時，你說的是白宮將自己視為武裝部隊的法律和秩序，但實際上你需要在每一級指揮部門都有律師。

And I would add that this is a readiness issue, because what's happening now is that the Trump White House is in playing a subtraction game.

我還想補充一點，這是一個準備問題，因為現在的情況是，特朗普白宮正在玩一場減法遊戲。

And we have, the military has not been able to achieve its recruiting goals, and they certainly aren't gonna be able to do that with White men only.

而我們，軍隊一直未能實現其徵兵目標，他們當然也不可能只靠白人男性來實現徵兵目標。

This is a very diverse union, it's a unit, and it's probably the best example of America at its best.

這是一個非常多元化的工會，它是一個組織、部門，它可能是美國最好的典範。