You're going to see a fiery Tom Cruise talk about his attack on Brooke Shields, antidepressants, and Ritalin for kids.

你將看到火爆的湯姆-克魯斯談論他對布魯克-希爾茲的攻擊、抗抑鬱藥和兒童利他林。

I've never agreed with psychiatry.

我從不認同精神病學。

Ever.

永遠

Before I was a Scientologist, I never agreed with psychiatry.

在我成為科學論派信徒之前，我從不認同精神病學。

And then when I started studying the history of psychiatry, I started realizing more and more why I didn't agree with psychiatry.

當我開始研究精神病學的歷史時，我越來越意識到為什麼我不同意精神病學。

And as far as the Brooke Shields thing is, look, you've got to understand, I really care about Brooke Shields.

至於布魯克-希爾茲的事 你得明白 我真的很關心布魯克-希爾茲

I think here's a wonderful and talented woman, and I want to see her do well.

我認為她是一位才華橫溢的優秀女性，我希望看到她取得好成績。

And I know that psychiatry is a pseudoscience.

我知道精神病學是一門偽科學。

But Tom, if she said that this particular thing helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressant or going to a counselor or a psychiatrist, isn't that enough?

但是湯姆，如果她說這件事讓她感覺好些了，不管是抗抑鬱藥，還是去看心理諮詢師或精神病醫生，這還不夠嗎？

Look, Matt, you have to understand this.

聽著，馬特，你必須明白這一點。

Here we are today, where I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses, of electric shocking people, against their will, of drugging children with them not knowing the effects of these drugs.

今天，我在這裡大聲疾呼，反對藥物和精神虐待，反對違揹人們的意願對他們進行電擊，反對在孩子們不知道這些藥物影響的情況下給他們下藥。

Do you know what Adderall is?

你知道阿德拉是什麼嗎？

Do you know Ritalin?

你知道利他林嗎？

Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug?

你現在知道利他林是一種街頭毒品了嗎？

Do you understand that?

你明白嗎？

The difference is, this was not against their will, though.

不同的是，這並不違揹他們的意願。

Matt, I'm asking you a question.

馬特，我在問你一個問題。

Matt, I'm asking you a question.

馬特，我在問你一個問題。

I understand there's abuse of all of these things.

我知道這些東西都會被濫用。

Now, you see, here's the problem.

現在，你看，問題就在這裡。

You don't know the history of psychiatry.

你不瞭解精神病學的歷史。

I do.

我是這麼想的。

Aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example of someone who benefited from one of those drugs?

布魯克-希爾茲（Brooke Shields）不就是一個從這些藥物中受益的例子嗎？

All it does is mask the problem, Matt.

這隻會掩蓋問題，馬特。

And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem.

如果你瞭解它的歷史，就會發現它掩蓋了問題。

That's what it does.

這就是它的作用。

That's all it does.

這就是它的作用。

You're not getting to the reason why.

你還沒找到原因。

There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.

根本不存在什麼化學失衡。

So postpartum depression to you is kind of a little psychological gobbledygook?

所以，產後抑鬱症對你來說就是心理學上的小兒科？

No.

不

No, I did not say that.

不，我沒這麼說。

I'm just asking, what would you call it?

我只是問問，你會怎麼稱呼它？

Matt, now you're talking about two different things.

馬特，你現在說的是兩碼事。

But that's what she went on the antidepressant for.

但這正是她服用抗抑鬱藥的原因。

But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem.

但是，抗抑鬱藥只會掩蓋問題。

There's ways of vitamins and through exercise and various things.

可以通過運動和各種方式補充維生素。

I'm not saying that that isn't real.

我不是說這不是真的。

That's not what I'm saying.

我不是這個意思。

That's an alteration of what I'm saying.

這是對我說的話的改動。

I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer.

我的意思是，毒品並不能解決問題。

That these drugs are very dangerous.

這些藥物非常危險。

They're mind-altering drugs.

它們是改變心智的藥物。

And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world.

我們也有辦法做到這一點，這樣我們就不會在一個勇敢的新世界中結束。

The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation.

關於布魯克，我想說的是，有一些錯誤信息。

And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry.

她也不瞭解精神病學的歷史。

She doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.

她和你一樣不明白 馬特

Do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people?

你是否研究過這些東西對某些人確實有效的可能性？

That, yes, there are abuses.

是的，有濫用的情況。

And, yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas.

是的，也許他們在某些方面做得太過分了。

Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin.

也許是服用利他林的孩子太多了。

Maybe electric shock is...

也許電擊是...

Too many kids on Ritalin, Matt.

太多孩子吃利他林了 馬特

I'm just saying.

我只是說說而已。

But aren't there examples where it works?

但不是也有成功的例子嗎？

Matt, Matt, Matt.

馬特，馬特，馬特

You don't even, you're glib.

你甚至不知道，你是個花言巧語的人。

You don't even know what Ritalin is.

你連利他林是什麼都不知道。

If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt.

馬特，如果你開始談論化學失衡，你就必須評估並閱讀研究論文，瞭解他們是如何提出這些理論的。

Okay?

好嗎？

That's what I've done.

我就是這麼做的。

And you go and you say, where's the medical test?

然後你就會說，體檢在哪裡？

Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?

驗血報告上寫著你應該服用多少利他林？

It's very impressive to listen to you because clearly you've done the homework and you know the subject.

聽了你的發言，我印象非常深刻，因為很明顯，你做了很多功課，也很瞭解這個主題。

And you should.

你應該這樣做。

And you should do that also.

你也應該這樣做。

Because just knowing people who are on Ritalin isn't enough.

因為僅僅認識服用利他林的人是不夠的。

You should be a little bit more responsible in knowing...

你應該更負責任一點，知道......

I'm not prescribing Ritalin, Tom.

我不會給你開利他林的，湯姆。

And I'm not asking anyone else to do it.

我也沒有要求其他人這麼做。

I know some people who seem to have been helped by it.

我知道有些人似乎是以得到了幫助。

But you're saying...

但你說

This is a very important issue.

這是一個非常重要的問題。

You know what?

你知道嗎？

And you're here on the Today Show.

你來參加《今日秀》了

And to talk about it in a way of saying, well, isn't it okay in being reasonable about it when you don't know?

在談論這個問題時，我想說的是，在你不知道的情況下，理智地看待這個問題難道不好嗎？

And I do.

我是這麼想的。

I think that you should be a little bit more responsible in knowing what it is.

我認為你應該更負責任地瞭解它是什麼。

Because you communicate to people.

因為你要與人交流。

You're all on the end all.

你們都是終結者。

Matt, but here's the point.

馬特，但問題是

What is an ideal scene in life?

什麼是理想的生活場景？

Okay.

好的

Ideal scene is someone not having to take antipsychotic drugs.

理想的場景是有人不必服用抗精神病藥物。

I would agree.

我同意。

Okay.

好的

So now you look at it and you go, okay, a departure from that ideal scene is someone taking drugs.

所以，現在你看它，你會想，好吧，與理想場景相背離的是有人在吸毒。

Okay.

好的

And then you go, okay, what is the theory and the science behind that that justifies that?

然後你會問，好吧，這背後的理論和科學依據是什麼？

Look, if I want to know something, I go and find out.

聽著，如果我想知道什麼，我會去查清楚。

Because I don't talk about things that I don't understand.

因為我不談論我不瞭解的事情。

I'll say, you know what?

我會說，你知道嗎？

I'm not so sure about that.

我不太確定。

I'll go find more information about it so I can come to an opinion based on the information that I have.

我會去查找更多相關資訊，以便根據我所掌握的資訊得出結論。

You're so passionate about it.

你對它如此熱情。

I'm passionate about learning.

我熱衷於學習。

I'm passionate about life, Matt.

我對生活充滿熱情，馬特。