Name: 電動自行車能拯救越南汙染最嚴重的城市嗎？- 亞洲特派podcast，BBC World Service (Can electric bikes save Vietnam's most polluted cities? - Asia Specific podcast, BBC World Service)
Uploaded: 2026-01-30T16:01:54.000Z
Duration: 20 min 30 s

What Vietnam is trying to do is to kind of copy the success of Chinese EV makers.

越南試圖複製中國 EV 製造商的成功模式。

I, I'll bet my, I bet good money that they, they wouldn't.

我，我敢打賭，我會下重注說他們不會。

But I, I would like to be proven wrong because who knows?

但我，我很希望我錯了，因為誰知道呢？

It's one of the most polluted cities in the world.

它是世界上汙染最嚴重的城市之一。

You might be thinking Delhi, Jakarta, or maybe Bangkok.

你可能會想到德里、雅加達，或是曼谷。

But it's actually Vietnam's capital, Hanoi.

The country's biggest city, Ho Chi Minh in the south isn't that much better.

該國最大的城市，南部的胡志明市也好不到哪裡去。

So does Vietnam's government have the answer to clear the air, it's betting on one of the boldest electric vehicle plants in the world, pushing to get more than 70 million riders to switch to electric bikes starting in Hanoi.

所以越南政府有辦法改善空氣汙染嗎？他們正寄望於一座全球最大膽的 EV 工廠，目標是讓河內超過七千萬名騎士改騎電動機車。

China has moved fast to encourage people to drive electric cars.

中國為了鼓勵大家開電動車，動作一直很快。

But can Vietnam pull off similar success with a two wheeler?

但越南有辦法在兩輪車方面複製類似的成功嗎？

I'm Marie Ko in Singapore and this is Asia specific from the BBC World Service.

我是 Marie Ko 在新加坡，這裡是 BBC World Service 的 Asia specific。

Twice a week we bring you Asia Pacific stories unpacked by those who know them best.

每週兩次，我們會為你帶來由最瞭解的記者們深入剖析的亞洲太平洋故事。

Today I have Sen Nguyen, a BBC senior journalist who grew up in Vietnam, as well as Nick Marsh, a business reporter based in Singapore.

今天我請到了在越南長大的 BBC 資深記者 Sen Nguyen，以及常駐新加坡的商業記者 Nick Marsh。

But you've been to China to cover the electric car industry, haven't you?

但你曾經去中國採訪電動車產業，對吧？

Before we get to e Bikes, I want you to, I guess paint the picture for us because motorbikes are huge part of day to day life in Vietnam, aren't they?

在我們聊電動自行車之前，我想請你先為我們描繪一下景象，因為機車在越南的日常生活裡佔了很大的份量，對吧？

It's been months since I've been on my bike and I miss it so much.

我已經好幾個月沒騎車了，我好想念它。

Being able to ride a motorbike, it has this profound sense of freedom that makes me very miss it a lot.

能夠騎機車，會有一種深刻的自由感，讓我非常非常想念。

Now when it comes to motorbike is the cornerstone of Vietnam popular culture.

現在說到機車，它是越南流行文化的核心。

When it comes to dating, it is the image of a guy pulling out on the street with his motorbike, picking up a girl and she would wrap her hands around his waist as he speed up on the street again.

談到約會，就是一個男生騎著機車在街上載著女生，女生會環抱他的腰，然後他再次加速騎在街上。

I guess when it comes to public demonstration, which is this kind of thing that authorities kind of want to put a tight lid on here in Vietnam, the only acceptable and disorderly sort of public demonstration is called dibao.

我想在公開示威方面，這種當局在越南想嚴加控管的事情，唯一可以接受且有點混亂的公開示威叫做 dibao。

In Vietnamese it means to storm the street.

在越南語裡，它的意思是「衝上街頭」。

That is when people would pour out on the street when the national football team has a victory and they would pull out on the street with their motorbikes, drumming their pots and blowing their plastic horns and yelling vietnam Wardig.

那就是當國家足球隊獲勝時，人們會湧上街頭，騎著機車，敲打鍋子，吹著塑膠喇叭，大喊「越南加油」。

是一個贏了的隊伍，他們沒有贏。

And it's not just a means of transportation.

And you have internal migrants selling stuff on the motorbikes and street vendors are everywhere using it to go through the streets.

還有內部移民在機車上賣東西，街頭小販到處都是，用機車穿梭大街小巷。

hanson actually described capitalism in Vietnam as one, as running on two wheels, which I love because it accurately depicts the economy that we have around motorbikes.

漢森其實形容越南的資本主義是，是靠著兩個輪子在跑，我超喜歡這句話，因為它準確地描繪了我們圍繞著機車發展的經濟。

Now, cultural sentiment aside, motorbikes have been deemed as a major source of air pollution.

好，撇開文化情感不談，機車已被視為空氣汙染的主要來源。

And with that, EVs come into the picture and this is where the heart of debate is.

說到這裡，EV 就登場了，這也是爭論的焦點所在。

I mean, I have to say, though, my parents used to live in Ho Chi Minh City.

我必須說，我爸媽以前住在胡志明市。

And the first time I got there and I was following a Vietnamese person and she was like, follow me.

第一次到那裡，我跟著一個越南人，她就說，跟著我。

I was like, no, I'm not going to cross the street.

我心想，不行，我不敢過馬路。

And she literally went and she had to actually, literally come back to get me and hold my hands.

結果她真的回來，親手牽著我，把我帶過去。

But it's an amazing picture and I think that's kind of the iconic image that many people have of big cities in Vietnam.

但這畫面真的很驚人，我想這大概是很多人對越南大城市的經典印象吧。

Because going to Vietnam is like running the gauntlet, isn't it?

因為去越南就像在闖關一樣，對吧？

And you know, you don't think you're going to make it to the other side of life.

你知道的，你會覺得自己可能撐不過去。

What you just said there about the mopeds.

I'm half Italian and I was born there and I used to go.

我有一半義大利血統，我是在那裡出生的，以前我常去。

這讓我想起很多義大利的樣子。

The going into the streets, like beeping the horns when you win at football.

就是走在街上，贏球時按喇叭那種。

The, you know, the dates, you know, the, you know, the girl on the back of the moped and all of that.

還有，你知道的，約會，你知道的，機車後座載著女生那些。

I think there's a crossover that we didn't.

我覺得有個 crossover，我們沒有。

And yes, similar, similar levels of danger as well, crossing the streets, depending on which cities.

還有，是的，類似，類似的危險程度，過馬路，看哪個城市。

Yeah, getting hate mailed already on that.

是的，已經收到很多仇恨郵件了。

But Sam mentioned air pollution and I think that's what's pushing the Vietnamese government to get people to hopefully switch to E bikes.

不過 Sam 提到了空氣汙染，我想這就是推動越南政府讓大家改騎 EV 的原因。

Nick, you covered electric cars in China and the Chinese government did something similar, you know, encouraging people to drive electric cars instead of normal gasoline cars.

Nick，你報導了中國的電動車，中國政府也做了類似的事，你知道的，鼓勵大家開電動車而不是一般的汽油車。

No, well, look, I'd love to say it was about air pollution.

不是，嗯，你看，我很想說是關於空氣汙染。

Marie Kobert, you know, the cynical business reporter in me often wins out.

Marie Kobert，你知道，我內心那個憤世嫉俗的商業記者常常佔上風。

It's a convenient byproduct of developing your electric vehicle industry.

這是發展你的 EV 產業一個很方便的副產品。

obviously we'll talk about it later, the reason it wanted to become and eventually became the absolute world leader in electric vehicles was an economic one.

顯然我們之後會討論，中國之所以想成為並最終成為 EV 的絕對世界領導者，是因為經濟原因。

We know that these things don't happen overnight.

我們知道這些事情不會一蹴可幾。

So you've got to go back right to the beginning of this century to see the foundations of this blueprint.

所以你得回到這個世紀初，才能看到這個藍圖的基礎。

And they essentially, the leadership at the time said, look, we've become brilliant at manufacturing, we can make stuff for anyone, but

而且基本上，當時的領導者說，看，我們在製造業變得非常厲害，我們可以為任何人製造東西，但是

we don't want to become a country in the middle income trap.

我們不想成為一個陷入中等收入陷阱的國家。

And that's basically another way of saying, well, our standard of living is rising, wages are rising, but

這基本上是另一種說法，嗯，我們的生活水準正在提高，工資正在上漲，但是

we're not innovating, we're not doing anything cutting edge.

我們沒有創新，我們沒有做任何尖端的事情。

We can't keep up with the advanced economies.

And the leadership at the time said the future is ev.

而當時的領導者說，未來是 EV。

We can't compete with the Western brands or the Japanese when it comes to the petrol and the diesel powered engines, but

在汽油和機油引擎方面，我們無法與西方品牌或日本品牌競爭，但是

So they invested heavily into becoming the world leaders and they did.

所以他們大力投資，成為世界領導者，而且他們做到了。

I think that's where Japanese carmakers kind of, I'm not sure whether missed out is the right word, but

我覺得這就是日本車廠有點，我不確定「錯過」是不是對的詞，但是

They didn't think that electric cars would go big in developing economies.

他們沒想到電動車會在開發中國家大受歡迎。

You know, if you're trying to get people to drive your cars in Africa, you know, would people have the electric plug to charge it?

像是，如果你想讓大家開你們的車去非洲，你知道，大家會有插座來充電嗎？

But let's talk about who actually make those E bikes because Chinese companies also make them, but

不過我們來聊聊是誰真的在做這些電動自行車，因為中國公司也有做，但是

in Vietnam, Vinfast is huge, isn't it then?

在越南，Vinfast 很厲害，對吧？

電動自行車能拯救越南汙染最嚴重的城市嗎？- 亞洲特派podcast，BBC World Service (Can electric bikes save Vietnam's most polluted cities? - Asia Specific podcast, BBC World Service)

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