Name: 世界經濟論壇2026：北約祕書長警告！重點不在格陵蘭，而是烏克蘭！| 戰火地帶 (WEF 2026: The main issue is not Greenland - it's Ukraine, says NATO Chief Mark Rutte I Conflict Zone)
Uploaded: 2026-01-21T17:32:48.000Z
Duration: 36 min 38 s

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As Trump pressures European allies over Greenland, we ask, can Europe defend itself?

川普施壓歐洲盟友關於格陵蘭，我們想問，歐洲能自保嗎？

The NATO Secretary General and presidents of Poland and Finland, among others, join me for a special edition of Conflict Zone from the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

NATO 祕書長、波蘭和芬蘭總統等人，將和我一起參加在瑞士達沃斯舉行的世界經濟論壇特別版 Conflict Zone。

Now, this question, can Europe defend itself?

那麼，這個問題，歐洲能自保嗎？

Has really been thrust into the forefront as Donald Trump threatens allies over Greenland.

隨著川普威脅盟友關於格陵蘭，這個問題確實被推到了最前線。

As we wait for Trump to deliver a statement in just a few hours, there has been so much discussion in the past few days, not only about the potential for a trade war with Europe, but

在等待川普幾小時後發表聲明之際，這幾天有許多討論，不僅是關於與歐洲可能發生的貿易戰，

also even the collapse of the NATO alliance itself.

甚至還有 NATO 聯盟本身的瓦解。

Secretary General, I'd like to begin with you, because with the US Still a guarantor of European security, are European NATO allies hostage to Trump's demands?

祕書長，我想先請教您，因為美國仍然是歐洲安全的保證人，歐洲的 NATO 盟友是否成了川普要求的肉票？

Listen, NATO since 1949 is the transatlantic alliance.

聽著，NATO 自 1949 年以來就是跨大西洋聯盟。

And I think we have to be very careful in considering the fact that the US And Canada are not only in NATO to prevent the historic mistake the US Made in their own view after the First World War, which was retreating for the world stage, and

我認為我們在考慮美國和加拿大不僅加入 NATO 是為了避免美國在他們自己看來，第一次世界大戰後犯下的歷史性錯誤，也就是退出世界舞臺，

then the long arm of history reaching out to the US Again in the Second World War, not wanting to repeat that mistake.

歷史的手又一次伸向美國，在第二次世界大戰時，不想重蹈覆轍。

They are in NATO because NATO is crucial not only for the defense of Europe, but

他們加入 NATO，是因為 NATO 不僅對歐洲的防禦至關重要，

only also for the defense of the United States.

For the United States to stay safe, stay safe, you need a safe Arctic, a safe Atlantic, and

美國要保持安全，就必須有安全的北極、安全的大西洋，

And all the military and all the politicians in the US Know this, and

美國所有的軍事人員和政治人物都知道這一點，

Yes, Europe is safe because of what Europe is doing itself within NATO, but

是的，歐洲是安全的，因為歐洲自己在 NATO 裡面做了很多努力，

also because we have that strong transatlantic relationship.

同時也因為我們有穩固的跨大西洋關係。

But we know the history, we know the stakes.

但我們知道歷史，知道利害關係。

And I'd like to ask you, you know, for perhaps a bit of reflection here, did you ever think that you would ever see one Naito member threaten the territorial integrity of another?

我想請教您，您有沒有想過，您竟然會看到有 NATO 成員國威脅另一個成員國的領土完整？

I mean, you have now the Prime Minister of Greenland telling his public an attack cannot be ruled out.

我是說，現在格陵蘭總理告訴他的民眾，不能排除遭受攻擊的可能性。

Listen, my role as Secretary General, when there is tension within the alliance, it has been there in the past between Greece and Turkey.

聽著，我身為祕書長，當聯盟內部出現緊張局勢時，過去希臘和土耳其之間就曾有過。

There have been other moments and there was tension then.

也曾有過其他時刻，當時也有緊張氣氛。

My predecessors always took the view that they should not comment on that in public.

我的前任們一向認為，不應該公開評論此事。

Because as soon as I do, I cannot any longer help to somehow with others.

因為一旦我這麼做了，我就無法再以任何方式幫助別人。

當然，不是我，只有我自己，而是

of course with other leaders to basically defuse the tension, to de escalate, et cetera.

當然，和其他領導人一起，基本上是為了緩和緊張局勢，降級，等等。

這就是為什麼你不會聽到我評論。

You can be assured that I'm working on this issue behind the scenes, but

你可以放心，我正在幕後處理這個問題，但是

所以很抱歉，格陵蘭沒有評論。

Well, sometimes behind the scenes comments do become public in various ways, as we've seen in the past few days.

嗯，有時候幕後的評論確實會以各種方式公開，就像我們這幾天看到的那樣。

You've talked about security in the Arctic.

No matter how you come out of this Greenland row, I mean, it really seems as if the dynamics have fundamentally changed within NATO.

不管你如何看待這次格陵蘭的爭議，我的意思是，北約的內部動態似乎已經從根本上改變了。

You have Macron saying yester we are shifting to a world without rules.

馬克宏昨天說，我們要轉向一個沒有規則的世界。

Hasn't all of this fundamentally damaged the foundations of NATO?

這一切是不是從根本上破壞了北約的基礎？

這種共同的信任、共同的價值觀呢？

Of course, I see that there are these tensions at the moment.

當然，我看到目前確實存在這些緊張關係。

Again, I'm not going to comment on that, but

我再說一次，我不會對此發表評論，但是

I can assure you the only way to deal with that is in the end, thoughtful diplomacy.

我可以向你保證，最終處理這種情況的唯一方法就是深思熟慮的外交。

So statements from me will not add anything here.

所以我的發言在這裡不會有任何幫助。

And when it comes to the Arctic, I think President Trump is right.

至於北極，我認為川普總統說得對。

We know that these sea lanes are opening up.

We know that China and Russia are increasingly active in the Arctic.

我們知道中國和俄羅斯在北極的活動越來越頻繁。

There are eight countries bordering on the Arctic.

That's Finland and Sweden and Norway and Denmark, Iceland, Canada and the U.S.

那就是芬蘭、瑞典、挪威、丹麥、冰島、加拿大和美國。

and there's only one country bordering on the Arctic outside NATO, and that's Russia.

而只有一個與北極接壤的國家不在北約，那就是俄羅斯。

And I would argue that as a ninth country, which is China, which is increasingly active in the Arctic region.

我認為，作為第九個國家，那就是中國，它在北極地區的活動越來越頻繁。

So President Trump and other leaders are right.

所以川普總統和其他領導人都說對了。

We have to protect the Arctic against Russian and Chinese influence.

我們必須保護北極，對抗俄羅斯和中國的影響力。

And that's exactly what NATO ambassadors decided to do in September.

這正是北約大使們在九月決定的。

We are working on that, making sure that collectively will be defense the Arctic region.

我們正在努力，確保我們能共同防衛北極地區。

You have traditionally been furiously pro American in terms of, you know, efforts to keep them on board as a guarantor of security in Europe.

你們一向強烈支持美國，你知道的，努力讓他們留在歐洲安全保障的保證人位置上。

You've turned the term to the Greenland dispute.

And again, this is a comment that I understand you made last week, a matter between the Danish prime minister and President Trump.

再次強調，這是我聽說你上週發表的評論，是關於丹麥首相和川普總統之間的事。

Just briefly, do you still stand by that after everything that you've seen in the past days?

簡而言之，在過去幾天你所看到的一切之後，你還堅持你之前的說法嗎？

And of course, United States of America, most important Polish bilateral ally.

當然，美利堅合眾國，波蘭最重要的雙邊盟友。

We are the part of NATO and we feel responsible for NATO.

我們是北約的一份子，我們對北約負有責任。

This is the biggest alliance in the history of 20th century.

這是二十世紀史上最大的聯盟。

我認為，就像我的標記一樣，根深蒂固。

北約是穩定的，北約正在鞏固。

But we of course recognize some problems about the Greenland.

但我們當然也認識到格陵蘭的一些問題。

And I'm looking at the problem of Greenland from the strategic side.

我從戰略角度來看待格陵蘭的問題。

We fail In Poland, Russian threat for three centuries even, and

我們在波蘭失敗了，俄羅斯的威脅長達三個世紀，而且

we understand it at all in the eastern flank of NATO.

我們完全理解北約東翼的情況。

And if we consider, ladies and gentlemen, that global GDP is consistent of 15% of Europe, European Union involvement and 15% of United States of America involvement.

如果我們考慮到，各位，全球國內生產總值中，歐洲佔 15%，歐盟參與佔 15%，以及美國參與佔 15%。

But according in terms of security, United States of America paying 65% for NATO and Europeans 35%.

不過從安全角度來看，美國為北約支付了 65%，歐洲國家支付 35%。

We have to consider what Donald Trump would like to say about the security because he's responsible for security of the world as the leader and he would like to support.

我們必須考慮唐納·川普會怎麼說安全問題，因為身為領導人，他對世界安全負有責任，而且他會想支持。

Do you really think you can stay out of this?

你真的覺得你可以置身事外嗎？

Do you really think you can stay out of this row?

你真的覺得你可以置身這場紛爭之外嗎？

I mean, isn't this the moment right now for solidarity in Europe?

我的意思是，現在不正是歐洲團結一致的時刻嗎？

Isn't this key to a united and a strong response?

這是不是團結一致、強而有力回應的關鍵？

There is the necessity of solidarity in Europe, but

there is also the necessity of building the good transatlantic relations.

建立良好的跨大西洋關係也是必要的。

And I think that transatlantic relations are very important.

我認為跨大西洋關係非常重要。

We know in Europe, me know Alex, all my European friends knows how many mistakes had Europe done after and before 2022.

我們知道在歐洲，我、Alex，還有我所有歐洲的朋友都知道，歐洲在2022年之前和之後犯了多少錯誤。

And Donald Trump tried to convince our European partners that we have to solidify and his voice is very important because of the financial, because of the strategic, just geopolitical point of view.

而川普試圖說服我們的歐洲夥伴，我們必須團結一致，他的聲音非常重要，因為從財務、戰略，以及地緣政治的角度來看。

Thanks to all partners in the diplomatic way.

感謝所有以外交方式合作的夥伴。

And I'm how far are you willing to go to have good transatlantic relations?

你們願意為了良好的跨大西洋關係走多遠？

Does that mean giving the Americans Greenland, selling the Americans Greenland?

這是不是意味著要把格陵蘭賣給美國人？

How far should European allies go if the Americans do move on Greenland?

如果美國人真的要對格陵蘭採取行動，歐洲盟友應該走多遠？

You know, we have 10,000American soldiers in Poland.

你知道，我們在波蘭有10,000名美國阿兵哥。

We buy American military equipment which is the best on the world.

我們購買的美國軍事裝備是世界上最好的。

South Korean is also very good, but American is and Finnish tanks you buy and Finnish tanks.

韓國的也很好，但美國的，還有你們買的芬蘭坦克，以及芬蘭坦克。

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