Name: 品質至上：Mike Henniger 談加拿大為何能持續成為頂級旅遊勝地！ (A Focus on Quality: Mike Henniger on Canada's Enduring Appeal as a Top Destination)
Uploaded: 2026-01-18T17:53:00.000Z
Duration: 19 min 58 s

Hello, I'm John Clark with the TOEFL program.

哈囉，我是 TOEFL 專案的 John Clark。

Welcome to the world's premier podcast for international students, or at least in the top 1000.

歡迎來到全球頂尖的國際學生 Podcast，至少也是前 1000 名啦！

I'm joined today by Mike Henniger of Illum Student Advisory Services.

今天和我一起的是 Illum Student Advisory Services 的 Mike Henniger。

Now, the topic at hand today is the wild world of Canada, which has been the most interesting place in international education over the last 18 months.

那麼，今天我們要討論的主題是加拿大的熱門話題，在過去 18 個月裡，它一直是國際教育中最有趣的地方。

You could argue the last four or five years.

你甚至可以說過去四五年來都是如此。

But before we get to that topic, Mike, just briefly share a little bit about your work at illum.

不過，在我們進入這個話題之前，Mike，能不能簡單分享一下你在 Illum 的工作內容？

So, yeah, I'm a lifelong international educator.

嗯，是的，我一生都是國際教育工作者。

I've never done anything else in my career but work in international education and specifically recruitment.

我的職業生涯裡，除了國際教育，特別是招生之外，我從來沒有做過別的事情。

Illum Student Advisory Services is based in Vancouver, Canada.

Illum Student Advisory Services 總部位於加拿大的溫哥華。

We have a hundred staff, around a hundred staff worldwide with offices in Africa, China, Latin America, Southeast Asia and beyond.

我們在全球有大約一百名員工，在非洲、中國、拉丁美洲、東南亞等地都設有辦事處。

And basically what we do is we help universities and colleges connect with international students and we help international students get the information that they need to make the right decision on the decision on the institution that they plan to study at.

基本上，我們協助大學和學院與國際學生建立聯繫，同時也幫助國際學生獲取他們做出正確就讀院校決策所需的資訊。

I think as we go into the conversation today, John, we're going to see that it is more and more complex than ever to make the choice of where to study.

我想，在我們今天的談話中，John，我們會發現選擇在哪裡學習比以往任何時候都更加複雜。

And there's a lot of questions in students and families minds, and

a loom's just kind of positioned to help them get the assurance that they are making the right decision and then they have the information that they need.

而 Illum 正好可以幫助他們獲得信心，確定自己做出了正確的決定，並且擁有他們所需的資訊。

Well, I'm not even looking to study abroad and I need assurances.

嗯，我甚至不是要出國讀書，但我還是需要一些保證。

So the first question I had for you, Canada, over the last year, we've had pretty significant study caps.

所以我第一個想問你的問題是，加拿大，在過去一年，我們有相當嚴格的學生人數上限。

We've had the elimination of the student direct stream.

There have been wholesale changes to postgraduate work permits for students that are still interested in studying in Canada.

對於還有興趣到加拿大唸書的學生來說，畢業後工作許可有了全面性的變動。

And by the way, there will still be hundreds of thousands of new students who enroll at Canadian institutions this year.

順帶一提，今年還是會有數十萬名新生註冊進入加拿大院校。

你能解釋一下發生了什麼事嗎？

I think the most important thing for a student or a family to understand if they're in South Asia or they're in Africa or anywhere in the world and they're looking to come to Canada, is that these changes that have been made by the Canadian government are in the best interest of the international students that want to come here.

我認為，無論是來自南亞、非洲，還是世界任何地方，想來加拿大的學生或家庭，最重要的一點是，要理解加拿大政府做出的這些改變，是為了想來這裡的國際學生的最大利益。

And I said in my introduction that I have never done anything else in my career besides international student recruitment, the majority of it coming to Canada.

我在開頭就說過，我這輩子除了國際學生招募之外沒做過其他事，其中大部分都是針對加拿大。

And there's very few people that can argue that over the past five years, international education Canada grew into something that it shouldn't have.

而且，過去五年來，很少有人能反駁說，加拿大的國際教育已經發展到不該有的規模。

Canada has built its brand over the last two decades on the quality of the education that we have.

加拿大過去二十年來建立的品牌，就是建立在我們優質的教育上。

We have some of the best education in the world here in Canada.

在加拿大，我們擁有全世界最頂尖的教育資源。

So a student coming here who's studying at a Canadian university or studying at a Canadian college could be assured that they were getting the highest level of instruction, the highest level of education.

所以，來到這裡就讀加拿大大學或學院的學生，可以確信他們獲得的是最高水準的教學和教育。

We started to lose that just because of the sheer volume.

由於學生人數過多，我們開始失去了這一切。

And we had students that weren't serious students coming to institutions that weren't serious institutions.

我們有些學生並不是認真向學的學生，來到了一些並非認真辦學的學校。

And the government has really looked to reduce that.

而政府也確實希望減少這種情況。

And I think everyone agrees that that's a good thing.

我認為大家都會同意，這是一件好事。

Now, as always with governments when they roll out things and you know, when non specialist scenarios, people who don't know anything about international education start to make policy changes in international education, it can seem to be very blunt and it can seem to be very unsophisticated.

現在，就像政府推出任何政策一樣，當非專業人士，也就是對國際教育一竅不通的人開始制定國際教育政策時，這些政策可能看起來很粗糙，很不成熟。

And that's what happened with all of the changes that come out the study caps, the reduction of the spp, all of those type of things.

這就是學生人數上限、SPP計畫縮減等所有改變的狀況。

At the end of the day, what Canada is looking for is we are looking for smart, motivated people who want to come to our country and want to pursue an education and want to better their lives.

說到底，加拿大希望吸引的是聰明、有動力，想要來我們國家追求學業、改善生活的人。

If a student fits into that category, Canada still remains the best place in the world, in my opinion, for them to study.

如果學生符合這個條件，我認為加拿大仍然是全世界最適合他們唸書的地方。

I noticed with my team around the world and just attending recruitment events over the past decade, you know, you meet students, they say, I want to come study in Canada.

我注意到，過去十年來，我在世界各地的團隊以及參加招生博覽會時，你都會遇到學生說，我想來加拿大唸書。

And you say, oh, what do you want to study?

然後你會問，喔，你想讀什麼科系？

Like, oh, what's a good program to study?

像是，喔，有什麼好的科系可以讀？

We want people that have a plan, we want people that have a focus, we want people that are looking to excel.

我們希望來的人是有計畫、有目標、並且渴望卓越的人。

And so I think, especially if you're parents of a young person looking to come to Canada and you look at your son and your daughter and you see a motivated young individual who really wants to excel and really wants to go and achieve their study dreams and then the career of their dreams after that, Canada remains a fantastic place to study.

所以我想，特別是如果你是年輕人想來加拿大的家長，看著你的兒子女兒，看到一個充滿動力、真正想追求卓越、真正想實現他們的學業夢想，進而實現他們職涯夢想的年輕人，加拿大仍然是個很棒的唸書地方。

So I go back to summarize that, to say that these changes, well, confusing and I mean for us in the sector, traumatic I would say at the end of the day, when we look back in two or three years, these are serving the international students that are coming to Canada and that's what it's all about.

所以總結來說，這些改變，雖然讓人困惑，而且對我們這個產業來說，我認為是創傷，但說到底，當我們兩三年後回顧時，這些都是為了服務來加拿大的國際學生，這才是重點。

So Canada remains a very, very good place for you to come if you are a serious student that wants to study.

所以，如果你是想認真唸書的學生，加拿大仍然是非常非常適合你來的地方。

In a serious program, in a serious institution and get a career and really look to drive your life forward.

在一個嚴謹的課程、一間優質的學校，並為你的職涯打下基礎，真正地讓人生往前邁進。

Canada is still, in my opinion, the best place in the world to do that.

我認為，加拿大仍然是全世界最適合做這件事的地方。

So the headline I see is, despite the changes, Canada remains open for business.

所以我看到的重點是，儘管有這些變動，加拿大仍然對大家敞開大門。

And I think we have, you know, just hundreds of excellent institutions across Canada still really want to attract the best and the, and

我覺得我們有，你知道，全加拿大數百間優秀的院校，仍然非常想吸引最好、最優秀的學生。

And I think if you're doing your research and you know, the school and you know, we have students showing up at schools in Canada over the past five years and they didn't even know what city they were going to.

我覺得如果你有做功課，知道學校，而且你知道，過去五年來，我們有學生到加拿大的學校就讀，但他們甚至不知道自己要去哪個城市。

Like, they're like, oh, you know, they're, they're 300 kilometers outside of Vancouver.

像是，他們會說，你知道，他們，他們在溫哥華外面三百公里。

And they said, oh, I thought I was in Vancouver.

然後他們說，喔，我以為我在溫哥華。

I'm like, you don't have Google in your country.

And I think what we want to do is we want to really focus back on the quality of education that we have here.

我覺得我們要做的，是我們要重新專注於我們這裡的教育品質。

And that's the type of students that should be looking to come to Canada.

而這才是應該考慮來加拿大的學生類型。

This makes me think I live in Ohio, where just a stone's throw away from Miami University of Ohio, which is sometimes confused by international students for Miami University in Florida, which vastly different climates.

這讓我想起我住在俄亥俄州，離俄亥俄邁阿密大學只有一箭之遙，國際學生有時候會把它跟佛羅裡達州的邁阿密大學搞混，兩個地方的氣候差異非常大。

Although a quick pitch, I do love the Redhawks of Miami of Ohio.

雖然快速說一下，我真的很喜歡俄亥俄邁阿密大學的Redhawks隊。

The weather must look a little different though, no?

不過天氣應該會有點不一樣吧？

Of course that's Fahrenheit, so that's meaningless to most of the world.

當然這是華氏，對世界上大多數人來說沒什麼意義。

But Mike, I want to double click on one thing you mentioned.

不過 Mike，我想針對你剛剛提到的其中一點深入瞭解一下。

You mentioned in the past few years you've talked to a lot of students who are eyeing a Canadian institution with very little thought as to what program they're pursuing.

你提到過去幾年你跟很多學生聊過，他們鎖定加拿大院校，但對於自己要讀什麼科系卻沒什麼想法。

And I know with the recent changes to eligibility for a post graduation work permit, the government has identified a bucket of jobs or study programs for which students will be available for postgraduate work.

還有，我知道最近畢業後工作許可的資格有變動，政府已經確定了一批學生可以申請畢業後工作的職位或學習計畫。

Without going too deep into the nitty gritty of the legislation itself, do you see certain industries for 20, 25 and beyond where international students will have a good shot at obtaining a job after graduation?

我們先不深入探討法規的細節，你認為在未來 20 年、25 年甚至更久之後，有哪些產業是國際學生畢業後有機會順利找到工作的呢？

This is a topic that we could do a two hour podcast and just this topic alone, John, it's, it's such a wide, wide topic.

這個話題我們可以做一個兩小時的Podcast，光是這個主題，John，它真的太廣泛了。

You know, if I go back to when I was studying in university and if I heard things like, you know, YouTube, YouTuber, blockchain engineer, when I was in University, those things didn't exist.

你知道嗎，如果我回到我讀大學的時候，聽到像 YouTuber、區塊鏈工程師這些詞，在我讀大學的時候，這些東西根本不存在。

None of, none of those jobs even existed.

And I think so many of the jobs that are going to be 20, 30, 20, 35 don't exist now.

我覺得很多在 20、30、2035 年會出現的工作，現在都還不存在。

You know, I read about jobs called human machine, Human machine team manager.

你知道，我讀到一些像是「人類機器協作團隊經理」這樣的工作。

I heard about AI ethicists like these things.

我聽說過「AI 倫理師」之類的。

I don't even know what they are, but they're coming.

我甚至不知道那是什麼，但它們正在來臨。

In general, there are things that stand out.

總的來說，有些領域會特別突出。

One, anything that has to do with helping people, healthcare, medicine, I think is going to continue to be elderly care, child care, those things are going to continue to be very strong.

第一，任何跟幫助人有關的，像是醫療保健、醫學，我覺得像是長照、育兒這些都會持續很強勁。

You know, I look at wonderful university here in Canada, University of Windsor, and

你知道，我看加拿大這邊很棒的學校，溫莎大學，

you know their focus, they have an excellent Master's of engineering program.

他們的重點，他們有一個很棒的工程碩士課程。

I see the graduates coming out of that program and getting excellent jobs coming out, and

我看到那個課程的畢業生出來，找到很棒的工作，

it still qualifies for the postgrad work permit.

而且仍然符合畢業後工作許可的資格。

So anything to do with STEM I really feel is going to be strong.

所以任何跟 STEM 有關的，我真的覺得都會很強。

But I want to switch gears here a little bit on this question and I really feel that, you know, when I look before the, before we started recording, me and John were talking about, we both have children very much the same age, daughters.

但我想在這個問題上稍微換個話題，我真的覺得，你知道，在我開始錄音之前，我和 John 聊到，我們都有年紀很相近的孩子，都是女兒。