Name: 烏克蘭的聖誕節是什麼樣子？| Global News Podcast (What does Christmas look like for Ukraine? | Global News Podcast)
Uploaded: 2025-12-24T16:59:59.000Z
Duration: 9 min 21 s

Welcome to the global News Podcast on YouTube where we go behind the headlines of a story and tell you why it really matters.

歡迎來到 YouTube 上的全球新聞 Podcast，在這裡我們會深入探討新聞事件，並告訴你它為何如此重要。

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I'm Ankur Desai and on this last episode before Christmas, we're looking at Ukraine and we're going to discuss what's going on in the war, but

我是 Ankur Desai，這是聖誕節前的最後一集，我們要來關注烏克蘭，並討論戰爭的現況，

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also how residents are feeling as the conflict nears its four year anniversary and where peace talks are at.

以及隨著衝突接近四週年，居民們有什麼感受，還有和平談判的進展。

To discuss this, I've got Samira Hussain who's with me live from Kyiv.

為了討論這個話題，我請到了 Samira Hussain，她現在人在基輔與我連線。

Samira, thank you so much for joining me and for your time.

Samira，非常感謝你加入我並撥冗參與。

I guess we're speaking to you as we record on the 23rd of December.

我猜我們現在錄音的時間是 12 月 23 日。

So just a couple of days away from Christmas, but

sadly no swift sign of the war ending anytime soon.

可惜的是，戰爭似乎還沒有要很快結束的跡象。

This morning in Kiev and all across Ukraine, in fact, there were hundreds of drones.

今天早上在基輔，事實上是整個烏克蘭，有數百架無人機。

Actually, according to President Volodymyr Zelensky, there were some more than 600 drones that were unleashed right across Ukraine by Russia.

事實上，根據總統弗拉基米爾·澤倫斯基的說法，俄羅斯在烏克蘭各地發動了超過 600 架無人機。

And Ukraine's air defense systems really kicked into gear and they were managed to be able to sort of protect the city.

烏克蘭的防空系統真的啟動了，他們設法保護了這座城市。

But you can see behind me there's this building that was completely bombed out and, and

但你可以看到我身後這棟建築被徹底炸毀了，

that was a result of one of the drones hitting this apartment building.

這是其中一架無人機擊中這棟公寓大樓的結果。

There were five people that were injured here.

And you can see just how quickly people are getting the roof and trying to get it put it back together again.

你可以看到人們正多麼快速地修補屋頂，試圖把它們重新組合起來。

And that's just because it's really cold here and it's going to get even colder as night falls.

這是因為這裡真的很冷，而且隨著夜幕降臨，天氣會更冷。

So there's a real sense of pressure in order to be able to try and make these buildings habitable for people as the temperatures start to drop.

所以人們感到很大的壓力，試圖讓這些建築在氣溫開始下降時對人們來說是適居的。

And you've been speaking to some of the residents as well.

Just give us a sense of how they're feeling and some of the conversations you've been having with them.

讓我們先感受一下他們的感受，以及你和他們聊了些什麼。

Yeah, you know, one resident I spoke to actually lives in the build in the one of the apartments right over here.

是的，你知道，我採訪的一位居民就住在這邊的其中一間公寓裡。

And she described the moment when the drone hit and just the loud noise and the, that all this debris sort of fell into her apartment.

她形容無人機擊中的那一刻，巨大的聲響，還有所有碎屑掉進她公寓的景象。

And she was saying that, you know, she's very lucky to be alive, that had she been sat in another part of her apartment, all this glass and debris would have hit her and she would have for sure been injured.

她說，她很幸運能活下來，如果她當時坐在公寓的另一邊，這些玻璃和碎屑就會砸到她，她肯定會受傷。

I was speaking to another couple as well and they just described being, you know, up to their daily morning routine when suddenly they heard, heard this blast and they felt the reverberations in their apartment and things started to fall and they were still in this.

我也採訪了一對夫婦，他們說當時正在進行早上的日常活動，突然聽到，聽到爆炸聲，感覺到公寓的震動，東西開始掉落，他們還處於這種狀態。

They still had this sense of shock, but they were also quite angry.

他們仍然感到震驚，但同時也很生氣。

This attack happened, angry that the war continues, and angry that this is all happening around Christmas time.

這次攻擊發生，生氣戰爭還在繼續，生氣這一切都發生在聖誕節期間。

And we heard from President Zelensky, who had earlier warned about the potential for more attacks around this time of year, that he said that, look, this is in Russia's nature.

我們聽到了總統澤倫斯基的談話，他先前曾警告過這個時期可能會發生更多攻擊，他說，你看，這就是俄羅斯的本性。

You know, this is a time for people to gather with families and to celebrate.

你知道，這是一個大家團聚、慶祝的時刻。

But now we're seeing that this is Russia's attempt to disrupt that.

但現在我們看到，這是俄羅斯試圖要破壞這一切。

And bearing in mind that Ukraine are aligning Christmas with the west in order to, I guess, have some sort of distance from.

而且要記住，烏克蘭正跟西方國家一起慶祝聖誕節，這樣做是為了，我猜，跟俄羅斯劃清界線。

From Russia, because usually Ukrainians would celebrate Christmas a little bit later.

因為通常烏克蘭人會晚一點才慶祝聖誕節。

So I guess, again, the sense of the mood Ukrainians are feeling during this festive season, it looks like it's going to be a very difficult time yet again for them.

所以我想，在節慶期間，烏克蘭人感受到的情緒，看起來又要經歷一段非常艱難的時刻了。

Sophia square, which is in Kiev, and there's this beautifully decorated, ornate Christmas tree, and

索菲亞廣場，就在基輔，那裡有一棵裝飾得很漂亮、很華麗的聖誕樹，

they were serving some mulled wine in the corner.

And there were lots of families that had come together taking selfies.

還有很多家庭聚在一起拍自拍照。

There were little children that were taking rides in a toy train that was making the rounds.

有小孩子在玩繞圈圈的玩具火車。

And there's this real attempt to try and enjoy some of the holiday season.

然後大家真的很努力地想享受一下節慶的氣氛。

I spoke with one man, he's a serviceman, and

我採訪了一位先生，他是一名軍人，

he was there with his very young daughter and his wife.

他當時帶著他年幼的女兒和妻子。

Important it was to try and show that there's not just war happening, that there.

重要的是要努力展現，不只是有戰爭在發生，而是。

There is a festive season, that it is Christmas, and

有一個節慶的季節，現在是聖誕節，

that there can be some levity in this time of darkness.

在這黑暗的時刻，還是可以有一些歡樂。

But the reality is Ukraine is still a country at war.

但現實是，烏克蘭仍然是一個處於戰爭的國家。

And especially if you go to some of the eastern regions and especially the southeastern port of Odessa, that has really been hit quite hard over the last several days.

特別是如果你去東部地區，尤其是東南部港口城市敖德薩，那裡在過去幾天真的遭受了重創。

Thousands of people without any water or electricity.

And because Russia's attacks today were really targeting a lot of the energy infrastructure, officials here say it could be several days before power is restored to everyone in Ukraine, which means it's going to be a very cold and dark Christmas for so many in this country.

俄羅斯今天的攻擊真的鎖定了許多能源基礎設施，這裡的官員表示，烏克蘭可能需要好幾天才會恢復供電，這意味著這個國家有很多人將迎來一個非常寒冷又黑暗的聖誕節。

What more do we know about the European Union and the funding that they're trying to give to Ukraine in order to help sustain their war efforts?

我們還能知道多少關於歐洲聯盟以及他們正試圖提供給烏克蘭的資金，以幫助維持他們的戰爭努力？

Well, that 90 billion euros loan that was agreed upon last week is certainly going to go a long way for Ukraine.

嗯，上週同意的九百億歐元貸款肯定對烏克蘭有很大幫助。

And you'll remember that before going into those negotiations to try and release some of the Russian frozen assets, President Zelensky was really sounding the alarm in terms of just how little money there was left for this war effort.

你還記得，在進入那些談判以試圖解凍一些俄羅斯的資產之前，澤倫斯基總統一直在發出警報，說明為這場戰爭努力的資金所剩無幾。

He made it clear that, that if Ukraine didn't get any more money, it was going to have to dramatically reduce its drone production.

他清楚地表示，如果烏克蘭沒有獲得更多資金，將不得不大幅削減無人機的生產。

So this injection of cash is certainly going to go a long way.

所以這筆資金注入肯定會大有幫助。

And of course, the crucial elements of all of this are peace talks.

當然，這一切的關鍵要素是和平談判。

Where are we at in terms of trying to find some sort of hope for the future and all of this ending.

我們在尋找某種對未來的希望以及這一切結束的進展如何？

So there has been a flurry of diplomatic activity.

所以，近期出現了一連串的外交活動。

And we know that over the weekend we saw that Russian delegation and a Ukrainian delegation and a European delegation had all met individually with the Americans in Florida.

我們知道週末時，俄羅斯代表團、烏克蘭代表團和歐洲代表團都在佛羅裡達州分別與美國會面。

And we're now starting to hear a little bit more of what those negotiations look like.

我們現在也開始聽到更多關於這些談判的內容。

You know, President Zelensky characterized it as, you know, discussions that are getting somewhere that we could see some real peace.

你知道，澤倫斯基總統形容這些討論是有進展的，我們可以看到真正的和平。

But if you look at the way the Russian media has been reporting on the Kremlin's comments, they've really been saying that, look, we're not really close to a deal here.

但如果你看看俄羅斯媒體是如何報導克里姆林宮的評論，他們確實說，我們離達成協議還很遠。

And of course, remember that, yes, they had this 20 point plan that was, you know, leaked by, that was leaked, that was agreed upon or rather discussed between the Russians and the Americans.

當然，請記住，是的，他們有一個 20 點計畫，這個計畫被洩漏了，或者說是由俄羅斯和美國之間討論並達成的。

And there was a lot of consternation because it really felt like this was a deal that was looking to favor Russia much more.

這引起了很多不安，因為感覺這個協議似乎更傾向於俄羅斯。

And as we know, with any kind of negotiation, with any kind of peace deal, you know, you try and agree upon some of the easier issues first before you get to the third thorniest ones.

而且正如我們所知，在任何類型的談判、任何類型的和平協議中，你都會先試圖就一些比較容易的問題達成一致，然後再處理最棘手的問題。

And so on the one hand, Ukraine got security guarantees that it definitely needed from the United States.

所以一方面，烏克蘭獲得了美國提供的、它絕對需要的安全保障。

But on the other hand, there has been no real talk or agreement when it comes to land.

但另一方面，在領土問題上，並沒有真正的談判或協議。

And we know that Russia has made it clear that it is still interested in taking large swaths of Ukraine.

而且我們知道，俄羅斯已經表明，它仍然有興趣佔領烏克蘭的大片地區。

And that is something that is just unpalatable for, for Ukrainians and Samira, just to finish off, we're hearing all the time from diplomats and politicians, but

這對烏克蘭人來說是難以接受的，薩米拉，最後我想說，我們一直從外交官和政治家那裡聽到，但是

let's get a sense of what the people are saying.

The people that you're speaking to, what are their hopes for peace?

你採訪的民眾，他們對和平有什麼期望？

What are their hopes and thoughts when it comes to this war ending and when they think this will happen?

關於這場戰爭何時結束，以及他們認為何時會發生，他們有什麼期望和想法？

There is hope for this war to end, but there's also quite a bit of skepticism.

這場戰爭有結束的希望，但也有相當多的懷疑。

You know, some people that have spoken to have said, yes, these security guarantees are great, but

你知道，我採訪過的一些人說，是的，這些安全保障很棒，但是

you know, we've had these security guarantees before and look at where we are now.

你知道，我們以前也有過這些安全保障，看看我們現在的處境。

You know, others are a lot more hard line saying that there can't be any peace as long as Russia is around.

你知道，有些人立場更強硬，認為只要俄羅斯還在，就沒有和平可言。

Whereas some others have even sort of accepted that we might, that Ukrainians might have to give up some land in order for there to be some kind of peace.

而有些人甚至有點接受，為了某種和平，烏克蘭人可能不得不放棄一些土地。

We're getting up to almost four years of war.

It is a difficult time for so many, and people have become quite weary.

這是許多人艱難的時刻，大家已經感到相當疲憊。

And so there is a definite want and a definite hope for peace.

所以，大家確實渴望和平，也確實抱持著和平的希望。

What exactly that will look like, I think, is really what people are wondering.

我認為，確切的和平樣貌，才是大家真正想知道的。

Samira Hussein, our correspondent in Kyiv.

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如果你想了解更多關於這個故事，請務必收聽我們的全球新聞Podcast。

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你可以在任何下載Podcast的地方找到它。

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另外，也請幫這集按個讚，並訂閱我們的 BBC News YouTube 頻道。

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如果你還有其他想聽我們報導的故事，也請在下方留言告訴我們。

For now, thanks so much for your company and have a happy holiday season.

現在，非常感謝你的陪伴，祝你有個愉快的假期。