Name: COVID 疫情究責：強生做得太少、太慢？| BBC 現場開講 (Covid inquiry: Did Boris Johnson do too little, too late? | BBC Question Time)
Uploaded: 2025-11-21T17:08:53.000Z
Duration: 17 min 53 s

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You've just fobbed that guy off in the audience who asked for an apology and in doing so, you've fobbed off the whole country.

你剛剛敷衍了臺下那位要求道歉的人，這樣一來，你就等於敷衍了整個國家。

鮑里斯是不是做得太少、太慢了？

So I'm assuming, Anil, you are referring to the report that has come out just at four o'clock this afternoon.

所以我想，Anil，你指的是今天下午四點才出來的這份報告。

這是 COVID 疫情調查系列報告的第一份。

She her view, her conclusion was the government response was too little, too late.

她的看法、她的結論是，當年的政府反應太少、太慢了。

Imposing a lockdown a week earlier in March 2020 could have saved 23,000 lives, according to some modelling in England.

根據英格蘭的一些模型顯示，如果在 2020 年 3 月提早一週實施封鎖，就能挽救 23,000 條生命。

And she talked about a toxic and chaotic culture at the heart of the government led by Boris Johnson.

她還談到，在鮑里斯·詹森領導下的政府核心，存在著毒害且混亂的文化。

So Covid was a global pandemic of proportions we've never seen before.

所以 COVID 是一場前所未有的全球性流行病。

It was unprecedented and the government of the time made a series of decisions based on advice.

這是前所未有的，當年的政府根據建議做了一系列決定。

It made the decisions it thought was right at the time.

它做出了當時認為正確的決定。

Now, some people thought we should have locked down earlier and that's what this report, with hindsight finds, and

現在，有些人認為我們應該提早封鎖，這也是這份報告，以事後諸葛的角度來看，發現的，而且

But quite a lot of people thought we locked down too harshly, our measures were too harsh.

但很多人認為我們的封鎖措施過於嚴厲。

Now, I respect a number of views at that time about how we should deal with it, but

現在，我尊重當時關於我們應該如何處理的許多看法，但是

I do also ask that people respect the government did what it thought was right.

我也請求大家尊重政府做了他們認為對的事情。

What about these comments about a toxic and chaotic culture at the heart of government?

對於政府核心存在毒害且混亂文化的這些評論，你怎麼看？

Undoubtedly, undoubtedly actively encouraged by Boris went on at number 10 that should not have gone on.

毫無疑問，在鮑里斯的積極鼓勵下，唐寧街發生了一些不該發生的事。

I am not going to defend some of those things that we knew about at the time, by the way, but

我不會為當時我們知道的一些事情辯護，順帶一提，但是

this report does find that in some cases there was no good decision, right decision to make.

這份報告確實發現，在某些情況下，沒有好的、正確的決定可以做。

And it also finds fault with all devolved nations in Britain as well.

而且它也批評了英國所有自治區。

So Scottish government under the SNP and the Welsh government under Labour, as well as the UK government under the Conservatives.

所以，蘇格蘭民族黨領導的蘇格蘭政府、工黨領導的威爾斯政府，以及保守黨領導的英國政府。

But what we must do is ensure that we actually learn the lessons that this Covid inquiry is providing for us so that God forbid this should ever happen again.

但我們必須做的是確保我們確實從這次 COVID 疫情調查為我們提供的經驗中學習，這樣萬一再次發生這種事，上帝保佑。

Whoever is in government are fully prepared and those mistakes are not repeated.

無論誰執政，都能做好充分準備，而且這些錯誤不會重蹈覆轍。

And if we revert to using this for political point scoring, we will have failed those people not only who lost their lives, but

如果我們又回到用這件事來進行政治得分，那麼我們就辜負了那些不僅失去生命，

have lived with the consequences ever after.

Let me just ask you, I mean, you kind of answered, but

我只想問你，我的意思是，你已經回答了，但是

I just want to be completely clear, when Baroness Hallett, this is her second reporting study, not her first, when she talks about a toxic and chaotic culture at the heart of government, and

我只想說清楚，當 Hallett 勳爵，這是她的第二份調查報告，不是第一份，她提到政府核心存在毒害且混亂的文化，

with Boris Johnson failing to tackle that culture and sometimes actively encouraging it, do you Agree with that.

而且鮑里斯·詹森未能解決這種文化，有時甚至積極鼓勵，你同意嗎？

I'm not going to defend that culture that she has identified.

我不會為她指出的那種文化辯護。

But what I would say is that the government at the time took decisions in good faith and includes things like a vaccine rollout, which she commended, by the way, which was a vaccine developed in this country and which was then used around the world.

但我想說的是，當年的政府是基於善意做出決定的，包括她也順帶稱讚的疫苗接種計畫，這是一種在這個國家開發出來的疫苗，後來被全世界使用。

So there were certainly some good outcomes from the way that the government dealt with it.

所以，政府處理這次疫情的方式確實有一些好的成果。

Baroness Hallett does find fault of all the devolved nations, but

Hallett 勳爵確實指出了所有自治區的錯誤，但是

this shouldn't be used as party political point scoring.

這不應該被用來作為黨派政治得分的工具。

I accept the results of the inquiry in full.

I think one doesn't know how one will behave in a pandemic until one finds oneself in a pandemic.

我認為，在疫情來臨之前，你永遠不知道自己會如何應對。

And that, like you say, it was the same for every government having to deal with it.

而且，正如你所說，每個政府在處理疫情時都面臨同樣的挑戰。

However, I think we were in the very unfortunate position of having Boris Johnson in charge at the time, where he.

然而，我認為我們當時非常不幸，由鮑里斯·詹森領導，他。

I remember him taking, I'm going to call it, a dishevelled approach to the whole thing, boasting about shaking hands with patients with COVID and then getting Covid himself and almost dying, which is incredibly serious.

我記得他採取了一種我稱之為「邋遢」的方式來處理整件事，他吹噓自己與 COVID 患者握手，然後自己也感染了 COVID 並差點喪命，這實在是太嚴重了。

But, you know, our Prime Minister should have a protected, protecting himself from all that because he was our leader of our country, etc.

但是，你知道，我們的首相應該受到保護，保護自己免受這一切的影響，因為他是我們國家的領導人等等。

And we know that, you know, as the pandemic rolled on, there were some very choice decisions that were made.

而且我們知道，你知道，隨著疫情的發展，做出了一些非常「精選」的決定。

I mean, now looking back, eat out to help out looks like a farce.

我的意思是，現在回想起來，「外出用餐幫助」看起來像個笑話。

It looks like a farcical thing that you'd maybe put in a sort of B movie.

這看起來像是一部 B 級電影裡可能會出現的滑稽情節。

You know, we're going through a pandemic.

你知道，我們正在經歷一場全球性流行病。

It's spread by having contact with other people, it's damaging the economy.

它會透過與他人接觸傳播，而且正在損害經濟。

Right, everybody go and have lunch together with a fiver off.

好的，大家一起去吃午餐，還能折五塊錢。

我的意思是，現在看起來真是太荒謬了。

Apparently Chris Whitty called it eat out to help the virus, so.

顯然 Chris Whitty 稱之為「外出用餐幫助病毒」，所以。

And then of course, there was the PPE sort of debacle.

然後當然，還有那個 PPE 的慘敗。

So I think, you know, I think there were a lot of very dubious behaviours going on.

所以我認為，你知道，我認為當時有很多非常可疑的行為。

Like I say, you know, next time round maybe we'll get it better.

就像我說的，你知道，下次我們也許會做得更好。

But I think our greatest fault was having Boris in charge at that time.

但我認為我們最大的錯誤是當時由鮑里斯·詹森掌權。

不要接受你那敷衍了事的道歉。

From the handling of the COVID pandemic, we saw ourselves, the data coming out of China, out of North Italy, with lots of people dying a day.

從 COVID 疫情調查的處理方式來看，我們看到來自中國、來自義大利北部的數據，每天都有許多人死亡。

Can you just say something and just say sorry for all of the lives that were lost during the pandemic?

你能不能說點什麼，為疫情期間失去的所有生命道歉？

I mean, you weren't in government at the time.

我的意思是，你當時並不在政府裡。

But you are here representing the former government.

We're not talking about a report that is calling on me or the Conservative Party today to apologize for investing, spending 350 billion pounds to ensure that 4 million people remained employed throughout the pandemic.

我們討論的不是一份要求我或保守黨今天為投入、花費 3500 億英鎊以確保 400 萬人在疫情期間就業而道歉的報告。

A rollout of a vaccine scheme which was probably the best, most well delivered in the world, by the way.

順帶一提，疫苗接種計畫的推行可能是世界上最好、執行得最好的。

We delivered that because we didn't have to follow EU rules.

我們之所以能做到，是因為我們不必遵守歐盟的規定。

I made it absolutely clear, I am not defending some of the things that went on in number 10, some of that culture which the report identifies.

我已經說得很清楚了，我不會為唐寧街十號發生的一些事辯護，也不會為報告中指出的那種文化辯護。

Joe, you've just fobbed that guy off in the audience who asked for an apology and in doing so, you fobbed off the whole country.

喬，你剛剛敷衍了那位觀眾，他要求道歉，而你這樣做，等於敷衍了整個國家。

What I've said, the worst thing you can come out of it is you had your chance to speak.

我說的是，你從中得到的最大壞處是，你錯失了發言的機會。

Not only have you fobbed off the guy who's just asked this question for an apology, you fobbed off the whole country who have been utterly let down by the way in which the Conservative government managed this situation and it is laid bare in this report.

你不僅敷衍了剛才提問要求道歉的那位觀眾，你也敷衍了整個國家，這個國家在保守黨政府處理這場疫情的方式上徹底失望了，而這份報告也赤裸裸地揭露了這一切。

In number 10 Downing Street I was out there vaccinating people against the pandemic.

在唐寧街十號，我當時正在為民眾接種疫苗，對抗這場疫情。

I trained up as a volunteer with St. John Ambulance.

我以志工的身分，在聖約翰救傷隊接受訓練。

My partner Connor was out in A and E working with people on ventilators to try to combat this keyword.

我的伴侶康納則在急診室工作，照顧使用呼吸器的病人，試圖對抗這個關鍵時刻。

In order to try to get our country through this.

And we were utterly let down and undermined by the government at every turn.

而我們在每個關頭，都徹底被政府辜負和破壞。

Boris Johnson should be hauled into Downing street for one last Downing street press conference to apologize to the whole country.

鮑里斯·詹森應該被帶到唐寧街，召開最後一次唐寧街記者會，向全國道歉。

And he should be banned from holding public office ever again in light of these failures that he's brought upon our country.

鑑於他帶給我們國家的這些失敗，他應該永遠被禁止擔任公職。

So throughout the whole of the pandemic, I worked for a national healthcare charity.

所以，在整個疫情期間，我都在一家國家級的醫療慈善機構工作。

My sister is a nurse and she worked throughout, on the wards, actually

我姊姊是護士，她全程都在醫院工作，就在你那附近，Josh，全程都在。

just near where you are, Josh, throughout.

I am fully aware of how difficult it was.

當年的政府是基於衛生專業人員的建議，本著誠意做出了關於工作和封鎖的關鍵決定。

The government at the time made key decisions about jobs, about locking down in good faith using the advice of health professionals.

現在，我完全接受這次調查的結果。

Now, I accept in full the results of the inquiry.

但如果我們要藉此來指責保守黨，而報告中也清楚說明威爾斯工黨和蘇格蘭SNP也犯了錯，那麼。

But if we're going to use this to blame conservatives when the report is very clear that Labour in Wales and the SNP in Scotland also got things wrong then.

我認為我們辜負了那些需要我們從結果中學習並實施建議的後代。

I think we're failing the future generations who need us to learn from the outcomes and implement the recommendations.

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