Name: 終極背叛國會議員對共和黨同事漠視選民感到震驚 ('The ultimate betrayal': Congressman appalled at Republican colleague's indifference to constituents)
Uploaded: 2025-07-04T07:59:07.000Z
Duration: 7 min 23 s

Joining me now is Democratic Congressman Richie Torres of New York.

紐約州民主黨眾議員裡奇-託雷斯（Richie Torres）正在接受採訪。

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His district stands to be one of the hardest hit by the big ugly bill that Republicans just passed.

他所在的選區是共和黨剛剛通過的醜陋法案的重災區之一。

And I know you've been talking about this relentlessly, but I think it's so important for people to understand how this will impact people.

我知道你一直在不厭其煩地談論這個問題，但我認為讓人們瞭解這將對人們產生怎樣的影響非常重要。

As I understand it, 67 percent of your constituents are enrolled in Medicaid.

據我所知，您的選民中有 67% 參加了醫療補助計劃。

That is one of the largest percentages of any congressional district in the country.

這是全國所有國會選區中比例最高的選區之一。

The other one that's about as large is David Valdeo out in California.

另一個差不多大的是加利福尼亞的大衛-瓦爾迪奧。

Talk to me a little bit about this bill's not passed today.

跟我說說今天沒有通過的這個法案。

How is that going to affect both of your districts?

這會對你們兩個地區產生什麼影響？

I mean, I represent the Bronx, which is ground zero for racially concentrated poverty.

我的意思是，我代表布朗克斯區，那裡是種族集中貧困的原點。

Sixty seven percent of my residents are enrolled in Medicaid.

我的居民中有 67% 參加了醫療補助計劃。

One third of my residents are enrolled in SNAP.

我的居民中有三分之一參加了 SNAP。

Just about every hospital in my district is in the red or teetering on the brink and depends fundamentally on Medicaid.

在我所在的地區，幾乎每家醫院都處於虧損或瀕臨虧損的邊緣，而且基本依賴於醫療補助。

And so the Republican reconciliation bill is a catastrophe.

是以，共和黨的和解法案是一場災難。

You know, when America sneezes, the Bronx gets the flu and the Bronx is going to be the hardest hit by the trillion dollar cut to Medicaid and the 300 billion dollar cut to SNAP.

要知道，當美國打噴嚏時，布朗克斯區就會得流感，而布朗克斯區將是醫療補助計劃（Medicaid）被削減萬億美元和SNAP被削減3000億美元的重災區。

But I have to say it's galling for me to see Valdeo vote for the bill.

但我不得不說，看到瓦爾迪奧對該法案投贊成票，我感到很痛心。

He had he's the only member of Congress who has a higher rate of Medicaid enrollment than I do.

他說他是唯一一個醫療補助參保率比我高的國會議員。

And for him to vote to defund by a trillion dollars a program that enrolls two thirds of his own constituents, to me, is the ultimate betrayal.

在我看來，他投票決定以一萬億美元的代價來取消一個有三分之二選民參加的項目，是對自己的終極背叛。

I barely know the man, but I'm appalled by his behavior.

我幾乎不認識這個人，但我對他的行為感到震驚。

You fought like hell to prevent this from passing, as did many, many of your colleagues.

你和你的許多同事一樣，拼命阻止了這一法案的通過。

The question I often get is like, what can be done?

我經常遇到的問題是，能做些什麼？

What can be done about all of these people who are going to lose access?

對於這些即將失去使用權的人，我們能做些什麼呢？

Is the answer vote people out in a year and a half or is there anything that can be done before then?

答案是在一年半後將人們淘汰出局，還是在此之前有什麼辦法？

We need to hold the so-called moderate Republicans accountable in states like New York.

我們需要在紐約等州追究所謂溫和派共和黨人的責任。

Like we have to ask them where your loyalties lie.

好像我們必須問他們你的忠誠在哪裡似的。

Do your loyalties lie with the American people or does it lie with Donald Trump?

你是忠於美國人民，還是忠於唐納德-特朗普？

And consistently, these so-called moderates have chosen Donald Trump over the American people.

而這些所謂的溫和派始終選擇了唐納德-特朗普，而不是美國人民。

And we should hold them accountable and we should drive them out of power.

我們應該追究他們的責任，把他們趕下臺。

And we need to desperately win back the House in 2026.

我們需要在2026年拼命贏回眾議院。

I'm all in for Hakeem Jeffries Project 2026 because we have to reverse these cuts.

我支持哈基姆-傑弗里斯的 "2026 項目"，因為我們必須扭轉這些削減。

It affects everything, food, health care, everything, education.

它影響著一切，食品、醫療保健、一切，還有教育。

We just played kind of a bit from every hour of Jeffries.

我們只是從《傑弗里斯》的每一個小時裡選了一點來演奏。

How important was him doing that to the caucus?

Look, it just sends a powerful message that we're not going to stand by idly and allow Donald Trump to decimate the social safety net for working people.

聽著，這只是發出了一個強有力的資訊，即我們不會袖手旁觀，任由唐納德-特朗普破壞勞動人民的社會安全網。

He spoke about the Declaration of Independence, which is an indictment of tyranny.

他談到了《獨立宣言》，這是對暴政的控訴。

It's an indictment of an out-of-control king.

And Donald Trump thinks that he's a king and that we are his subjects.

唐納德-特朗普認為他是國王，而我們是他的臣民。

And Leader Jeffries sent a powerful message that we're not his subjects.

而傑弗里斯領袖則發出了一個強有力的資訊：我們不是他的臣民。

America's a democracy and we're citizens who are able and willing and ready to fight for it.

美國是一個民主國家，我們是能夠、願意並準備為之奮鬥的公民。

One of the challenges I think every Democrat and everybody who's against this bill is going to deal with is what I'm just going to call the era of gaslighting that we have fully entered.

我認為，每個民主黨人和反對這項法案的人都將面臨的挑戰之一，就是我們已經全面進入的 "毒氣時代"。

And I want to play you something that House Majority Leader Steve Scalise said during the debate over the bill this morning, because it is a very good example of that.

我想給大家放一段眾議院多數黨領袖史蒂夫-斯卡利斯（Steve Scalise）今天上午在辯論法案時說的話，因為這就是一個很好的例子。

If you're disabled on Medicaid right now, you've been crowded out of those programs by people turning down work, able-bodied people, 35-year-olds sitting at home playing video games.

如果你現在是享受醫療補助的殘障人士，你已經被拒絕工作的人、身體健康的人、坐在家裡玩電子遊戲的 35 歲的人擠出了這些計劃。

They're going to now have to go get a job.

And by the way, that's a good thing for them.

順便說一句，這對他們來說是件好事。

Their mom doesn't want them sitting in the basement playing video games anyway.

反正他們的媽媽也不想讓他們坐在地下室玩電子遊戲。

But now it no longer will be crowding out Medicaid for the truly needy people who deserve it.

但現在，它不再會擠佔真正有需要的人應得的醫療補助。

We're not trying to, you know, platform Steve Scalise.

我們並不是想把史蒂夫-斯卡利斯推上風口浪尖。

It's important people to hear what the argument is going to be, because we're going to hear that over and over and over and over again.

重要的是，人們要知道爭論將是什麼，因為我們將一遍又一遍地聽到這些爭論。

You know how this impacts people, given your district.

鑑於你所在的地區，你知道這對人們的影響有多大。

What is the best pushback and argument against that for people to do?

人們對此最好的反擊和論證是什麼？

The truth, the so-called Big Beautiful Bill, is built on a lie, that there are masses of welfare kings and welfare kings who are simply sitting on their couches and playing video games and living off the system.

事實是，所謂的《美麗大法案》建立在一個謊言之上，那就是有大量的福利王和福利大王，他們只是坐在沙發上玩電子遊戲，靠這個制度生活。

The majority of people on SNAP and Medicaid are working people.

享受 SNAP 和 Medicaid 的大多數人都是有工作的人。

And of those who are unemployed, most of them are students or caregivers or those who are homeless or those with temporary disabilities.

而在失業者中，大部分是學生、護理人員、無家可歸者或暫時殘疾者。

The number of people who are able-bodied and simply refuse to work is vanishingly small.

身體健康卻拒絕工作的人數少得可憐。

It's less than 1 percent of enrollees in both SNAP and Medicaid.

在參加 SNAP 和 Medicaid 的人中，這一比例都不到 1%。

The majority of people on SNAP are families with children, senior citizens, and those with disabilities.

大多數享受 SNAP 的人是有子女的家庭、老年人和殘障人士。

And in New York State, most of the Medicaid dollars are spent on the elderly and the disabled.

而在紐約州，大部分醫療補助金都用在了老年人和殘障人士身上。

The largest category of Medicaid enrollees are children.

醫療補助計劃》的最大一類參保者是兒童。

These are programs that almost exclusively benefit those in greatest need.

這些計劃幾乎只惠及那些最需要幫助的人。

And defunding these programs will weaken those in greatest need.

而取消這些計劃的資金將削弱那些最需要幫助的人。

This is what people should tell their neighbors and people on social media about this, which is why I want to ask you about it.

這就是人們應該告訴鄰居和社交媒體上的人們的事情，這也是我想問你的原因。

I just want to change gears for a moment because you're also from New York, you're a member of the Bronx.

我只想換個話題，因為你也來自紐約，是布朗克斯區的一員。

You endorsed Maumdani's opponent, but what's been so interesting for me to watch, and I think so many, and you've made your policy differences with him, which you can certainly talk about.

你為毛姆達尼的對手背書，但讓我感到有趣的是，我想很多人都在看，你和他在政策上有分歧，你當然可以談談。

But you said you committed to work with him if he should win.

但你說過，如果他獲勝，你會與他合作。

And you've also been relentless, I would say, in defending and pushing back against these Islamophobic attacks against him.

我想說的是，你也一直在不遺餘力地捍衛和回擊這些針對他的伊斯蘭恐懼症攻擊。

Talk to me about what that means to you, why you've been doing that, and kind of how you see the state of this race moving forward.

跟我談談這對你來說意味著什麼，你為什麼要這麼做，以及你如何看待這場比賽的前景。

Well, look, first of all, unlike Republicans, Democrats accept the results of the election.

首先，與共和黨人不同，民主黨人接受選舉結果。

The people of the Democratic primary have spoken, and I accept the results, right?

民主黨初選的結果已經出來了，我接受這個結果，對嗎？

I have profound differences of opinion with Assemblymember Maumdani, but we had a mutually respectful conversation last weekend, and we're committed to building a relationship and continuing the dialogue.

我與眾議員毛姆達尼有深刻的意見分歧，但上週末我們進行了相互尊重的對話，我們致力於建立關係並繼續對話。

But I have a deeply felt obligation to speak out against hate, whether it's anti-Jewish bigotry or anti-Muslim bigotry, and as an example, I'm in the process of drafting a resolution that would condemn Andy Ogles for not only engaging in racist rhetoric about Leader Jeffries, but also in calling upon the attorney general to deport a Muslim-American Democratic nominee simply because he's Muslim-American.

我正在起草一份決議，譴責安迪-奧格斯不僅對傑弗里斯領袖發表種族主義言論，還要求司法部長驅逐一位美籍穆斯林民主黨提名人，原因僅僅是他是美籍穆斯林。

That kind of bigotry has no place in the United States of America.

這種偏執在美利堅合眾國沒有立足之地。

America is and should be a multiracial, multiethnic, multireligious democracy whose creed is e pluribus unum.

美國現在是而且應該是一個多種族、多民族、多宗教的民主國家，其信條是 e pluribus unum。

That's what we should be celebrating on Independence Day.

這才是我們在獨立日應該慶祝的。

So we'll see that Andy Ogles resolution when you get back?

你回來後，我們會看到安迪-奧格斯的決議嗎？

這幾天，我正在這裡製造新聞。

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