Name: 超人》劇組談超人的戰衣、萊克斯-路德的弱點以及 DCU 的擴展 (The 'Superman' Cast Talk Superman's Suit, Lex Luthor's Weakness, and the Expansion of the DCU)
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Duration: 19 min 41 s

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Hello everyone, welcome to our big ticket interview for Superman.

大家好，歡迎收看我們的超人大票專訪。

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I'm Perri Nemiroff and I'm lucky enough to be sitting next to Nicholas Holt, James Gunn, David Cornswet and Rachel Brosnahan early congratulations on the movie I cannot wait to see it.

我是 Perri Nemiroff，很幸運能坐在尼古拉斯-霍爾特、詹姆斯-古恩、大衛-科恩斯韋特和蕾切爾-布羅斯納漢的旁邊，提前祝賀電影上映，我迫不及待地想去看了。

I got many many questions Let's do it interrogate you right now beginning with you James big two-parter to start here Can you tell me a little bit about making sure that this movie feels like a full story all on its own?

我有很多很多問題，讓我們現在就開始審問你，從你的詹姆斯大兩部曲開始，你能告訴我一點關於確保這部電影感覺像一個完整的故事嗎？

But also doesn't necessarily set up other films, but just tease up your growing DC film universe for success going well I mean, I think the most important thing is that this works as a movie by itself It's a complete story with a beginning a middle and an end It's an important part of the life of all three of the characters that these people play That's by far the most important at the same time.

我的意思是，我認為最重要的是，這部電影本身就是一部電影，它是一個完整的故事，有開頭、中間和結尾，它是這些人扮演的三個角色生命中的重要組成部分，這同時也是最重要的。

We're introducing a whole new world, which is a lot of fun you know, we're in an alternate reality where superheroes have existed for 300 years and Now we're just picking up on the story of one particular superhero Three years after he comes on the scene who happens to be the most powerful metahuman of all time powerful metahuman of all time and one with a Super cool suit, which is where I'm gonna go next with you David I imagine you love the entire Superman suit, but I'm just a nerd for the details So can you maybe pinpoint like a little detail tiny aspect of it that you really?

我們要介紹一個全新的世界，這很有趣 我們在另一個現實中，超級英雄已經存在了300年 現在我們要講的是一個超級英雄的故事 在他出現三年後，他碰巧是史上最強大的超人 史上最強大的超人，而且他的超人裝超酷這就是我接下來要跟你說的 大衛，我想你一定很喜歡超人的整套衣服 但我只是個喜歡細節的書呆子 所以你能不能說說你最喜歡的一個小細節？

Appreciated and maybe informed how you played the character the cape really makes a big difference It's it's the it's the unsung hero of the suit Most of the fittings don't include the cape and it is literally the last thing to go on before you go on set It just changes the silhouette and the way it flows behind you.

斗篷真的有很大的不同，它是西裝中的無名英雄，大多數試裝都不包括斗篷，它是上場前最後一件要穿的衣服。

It just adds gravitas to the thing I think I have to imagine it's the coolest thing ever when you get to put on the suit and then show it not Only to your co-stars, but your friends and family so that was making me wonder Is there any particular reaction to you in the suit that I don't know is the most memorable or is the most fun to think?

我想我得想象一下，當你穿上這套衣服，然後不僅向你的合作演員，還向你的朋友和家人展示這套衣服時，那是最酷的事情。

About I sort of forgot that I was wearing the suit.

我都有點忘了自己還穿著這身衣服。

I would I would wear it a lot and so run your house Yeah, yeah but I do remember the first day we did camera tests before we started shooting coming on and seeing Nick and Rachel for the first time and them seeing me for the first time I must admit I felt a little self-conscious like I you know, I hadn't gotten used to the suit yet I hadn't filled the boots yet with my own sense of confidence So to have them see me and sort of go like that looks pretty cool like that that works pretty well That meant a lot I don't I don't like to describe myself as giddy But I was giddy when I saw I was like grinning from ear to ear.

是的，但我記得我們開拍前的第一次試鏡 我第一次見到尼克和瑞秋 他們也第一次見到我我還沒適應這身衣服 我還沒充滿自信 所以讓他們看到我，然後說 看起來很酷，效果很好 這對我來說意義重大 我不喜歡用 "目瞪口呆 "來形容我自己 但我看到的時候真的很激動 我笑得合不攏嘴

I was blown away I was I was very excited took me back to being a big kid I think one of the fun things also was every time kids came on set was really is like Santa Claus You know and all the kids are just like oh my gosh It's Superman and in a way I think it's even more powerful than seeing somebody like in a spider-man or Batman costume or something because it's it's him He's there and they really would get so excited.

我被震撼到了，我非常興奮，讓我回到了小時候，我覺得其中一件有趣的事情是，每次孩子們來到片場，真的就像聖誕老人一樣，你知道，所有的孩子都會說，哦，我的天哪，那是超人，在某種程度上，我覺得這比看到有人穿著蜘蛛俠或蝙蝠俠的服裝或其他什麼更有力量，因為那就是他，他就在那裡，他們真的會非常興奮。

Oh, my son was in complete Oh, yeah magic to see his face seeing you.

哦，我兒子看到你時的表情真是不可思議。

I remember your son's favorite character was mr. Handsome He would be laying in bed and then he'd be like dad mr. Handsome Mr. Handsome is Lex's, you know Creature he created a petri dish that drives around on this, you know flying platform The ugliest grossest creature in the world and for some reason also, I remember one of our producers Chantal Hurst son Also was just obsessed with mr. Handsome.

我記得你兒子最喜歡的角色是 "帥哥先生"，他躺在床上就會說 "爸爸，帥哥先生"，"帥哥先生 "是萊克斯的，你知道的，他創造了一個培養皿，在這個飛行平臺上行駛，是世界上最醜最噁心的生物，出於某種原因，我記得我們的一個製片人尚塔爾-赫斯特的兒子也迷上了 "帥哥先生"。

He's Grew up and still loves everything genre.

他長大了，仍然熱愛一切流派。

I have a feeling that would probably be a personal favorite as well, David I want to follow up briefly on something you had just said You know when you first put the suit on you didn't feel like you filled the boots Do you remember the specific moment when you had confidence and thought you filled the boots and you were Superman when you put the lifts in?

我感覺這可能也是你的個人最愛，大衛，我想簡單跟進一下你剛才說的話，你知道當你第一次穿上這套衣服時，你不覺得你穿上了靴子，你還記得當你有信心，認為你穿上了靴子，當你穿上升降機時，你是超人的具體時刻嗎？

Yeah, I think it was at the end of the first week of shooting We shot part of the sequence that you see in the teaser trailer where the kaiju is blasting fire in Metropolis And that was my first moment as Superman getting to check on people There's a moment where I just check in with the bystanders and make sure that everybody's okay and that felt like a very Superman moment where I sort of wasn't worried about myself or how I looked anymore or the fact that I was strung up by wires.

是的，我想那是在第一週拍攝結束的時候，我們拍攝了預告片中凱諸在大都會噴火的部分鏡頭，那是我第一次以超人的身份去查看人們的情況，有一個時刻我只是去查看旁觀者的情況，確保每個人都沒事，那感覺就像一個非常超人的時刻，我不再擔心我自己，不再擔心我的樣子，也不再擔心我被電線吊起來的事實。

I was just worried about you know, everybody else Definitely feels right in the finished product, but I can't wait to see more but in that trailer just absolutely nailed it James will stick with the suit a little more with you now because I love hearing about how these types of things evolve So I am curious What did you picture your Superman suit looking like day one and how does it compare to the finished version?

我只是擔心你知道，其他人肯定會覺得成品是正確的，但我迫不及待地想看到更多，但在該預告片中絕對釘它詹姆斯將堅持與西裝多一點你現在，因為我喜歡聽到這些類型的東西是如何演變的，所以我很好奇，你想象你的超人西裝看起來像第一天，它是如何比較的成品版本？

Everyone's gonna see in the final film The only thing I knew is that I didn't want it to look too much like a wet t-shirt, you know I didn't want to have Muscles that were you know built into the suit.

我唯一知道的是，我不想讓它看起來太像一件溼T恤，你知道，我不想讓肌肉內置於衣服中。

I wanted to create you know a world where Metahumans actually existed but that also they wore these uniforms for various reasons and that it was in a way a So I just kind of went from there working with Giuliana who did all my costumes Guardians of the Galaxy and just kind of taking it You know bit by bit by bit by bit until we ended up with the beautiful suit that we ended up with and you know Also getting David's input frankly I mean was, you know as we started to build it up around him getting his ideas One of the biggest questions was were we gonna have trunks or we were gonna you know, not have trunks I talked to Zack Snyder who was like, you know I tried a billion different versions with the trunks and at the end of the day It just I tried it but it just I couldn't get there and I was feeling exactly the same way and Giuliana and I talked And she said, all right.

我想創造一個大都會人真實存在的世界 但他們也會因為各種原因穿上這些制服 在某種程度上這也是一種創造 所以我就開始和朱莉安娜合作 她幫我設計了《銀河護衛隊》的所有服裝我和扎克-施奈德談過，他說 我試過上百種不同版本的軀幹 但最後還是沒成功

Well, I'm gonna try, you know, we'll do one version where we try both trunks and not trunks I went in with David he tried in not trunks and he tried it trunks and I still was gonna go with not trunks and Then you said well you were you wanted trunks in theory you like theory Theoretically, I like the idea of trunks because it's you know Superman I grew up with but the problem is they look kind of silly You were looking for a way to make him look cool or you were looking for a function and explanation for having them Yeah, and my thing was just maybe they're supposed to look a little silly Maybe the reason he wears them is to look a little silly basically to undermine how powerful he really is in this version of the DCU Everyone knows he's an alien.

好吧，我會試試的，你知道，我們會做一個版本，我們既可以試穿短褲，也可以不穿短褲 我和大衛一起去的，他試穿了不穿短褲的，他也試穿了短褲的 我還是打算不穿短褲的，然後你說，好吧，你是想要理論上的短褲 你喜歡理論上的，理論上？我喜歡穿長褲的想法，因為那是我從小看到大的超人 但問題是長褲看起來有點傻，你是想讓他看起來酷一點 還是想讓他穿長褲有什麼作用？

He can blow things down with his breath he's sort of this terrifying creature and David saying that was like he but he really likes kids and human beings and people and he wants kids not to be afraid of Him and so that was the thing that made me decide to have keep the trunks I love touches like that thoughts like that Yeah, he does contribute to filling out the world and making it feel as real as possible Rachel I'm coming your way now I'm curious about your portrayal of Lois as a journalist because Journalism is a field that is evolving constantly So what is something about her as a modern-day journalist in this movie that maybe sets her apart from iterations of the character?

他可以用他的呼吸把東西吹倒，他是一種可怕的生物，大衛說他就像他，但他真的喜歡孩子，喜歡人類和人，他希望孩子們不要害怕他，所以這就是讓我決定保留樹幹的原因，我喜歡這樣的觸動，這樣的想法，是的、我很好奇你把露易絲描繪成一個記者，因為新聞業是一個不斷髮展的領域，那麼在這部電影中，作為一個現代記者，她有什麼與眾不同的地方嗎？

We've seen in the past One of the things we talked about a lot is her wardrobe and how this characters evolved so much from era to era She's probably one of the characters that's undergone the most transformation as far as all the different comics go.

她可能是所有不同漫畫中轉變最大的角色之一。

She's hungry She's courageous and determined and she'll do just about anything to get a great story But today to be a print journalist and to be able to do all of those things.

她飢腸轆轆，她勇敢果斷，為了得到一個精彩的故事，她可以做任何事情 但是今天，成為一名文字記者，能夠做到所有這些事情。

It looks a little bit different I think we prioritize Comfort, you know in order to be able to do the job to the best of our ability and so talked a lot about how we could pay homage to all of the previous iterations of Lois and Find something that felt both true to the character, but in a world that obviously has some heightened elements How can we make this feel distinctly human and also modern and so she wears flat shoes?

我認為我們把 "舒適 "放在首位，你知道，為了能夠盡我們所能完成工作，我們討論了很多關於如何向之前迭代的露易絲致敬的問題，並找到一些既能讓人感覺忠實於角色，又能讓人感覺到這個世界有一些明顯增強的元素的東西，我們怎樣才能讓人感覺到明顯的人性和現代感，所以她穿平底鞋？

That was also important to you I feel like David we tried on a couple boots that made me about this much taller and David was like, she's too tall Well, there are no lifts in my boots.

這對你來說也很重要，我覺得我像戴維一樣，我們試穿了幾雙靴子，讓我高了這麼多，戴維就說，她太高了！我的靴子裡沒有升降機。

I know but you're still you've got a foot on me anyway Yeah, I'm already looking up David's nose 95% of the time but David was like not flat shoes flatter Can they get any flatter lower to the ground?

我知道，但你還是踩著我的腳 是啊，我95%的時間都在仰視戴維的鼻子，但戴維就像一雙不平的平底鞋 它們還能再平點嗎？

There is nothing more relatable to me than an on-screen journalist wearing flat The other thing I mean I think also for Lois like and and Clark and Jimmy to the idea that in Perry and The idea that their journalist is a real part of the story It's a part of you know What they conflict over at the beginning of the film in terms of how they see the ethics of journalism It's part of what Lois does throughout the movie and trying to get to the truth And so it isn't just a matter of like oh, she's you know, Lois Lane and her job as a journalist It's actually a part of what we see her doing in the movie.

沒有什麼比銀幕上的記者穿著平底鞋更貼近我了 還有一件事，我是說，我覺得對露易絲、克拉克和吉米來說 佩裡和他們的記者是故事真正的一部分 這是他們在電影開頭的衝突的一部分她是露易絲・萊恩，她的工作是記者 這實際上是我們在電影中看到的她的工作的一部分

I think I might build on that a little bit I want to dig into the the Clark and Lois relationship Can you each tell me what it is about the other character that draws your character to them?

我想我可能會在此基礎上繼續深入探討克拉克和露易絲的關係，你們能告訴我另一個角色是什麼吸引了你們的角色嗎？

But then I also want to know something that they have a difference of opinion on something that you know Maybe threatens the foundation of their relationship, but could help them grow together.

但我也想知道，他們在某些事情上有不同意見，你知道這可能會威脅到他們關係的基礎，但卻能幫助他們共同成長。

Yeah, we talked about this a lot So I think Superman really loves Being Superman and he loves that he has this ability to come in and save the day and be the protector and be a symbol Of good and hope but secretly what he loves about Lois Lane is that she is his match She isn't taken by the symbolism and the visual and sort of the ideal of Superman She asks the hard questions so it's actually very frustrating for Superman because he wants to be this sort of pure symbol of good and Lois keeps finding all these ways that He like screwed up a little bit or he didn't quite or was he really well intentioned there?

我們討論過很多次了我覺得超人真的很喜歡當超人 他喜歡自己有能力拯救世界 成為保護者 成為美好和希望的象徵她不被超人的象徵意義、視覺效果和理想所迷惑 她會提出尖銳的問題 所以這讓超人非常沮喪 因為他想成為純粹的善的象徵

or did he think through the consequences of things there and So it's it's very frustrating but that frustration is this amazing.

或者說，他有沒有考慮到事情的後果，所以這很讓人沮喪，但這種沮喪又是如此驚人。

She's the only place He really gets that and actually is a little convinced by it and maybe you know Wonders a little bit questions himself a little bit.

他只有在她那裡才真正明白了這一點，而且還有點信以為真，也許你知道，他還有點懷疑自己。

So that definitely draws him to her Yeah, I think she's somebody who sees around every corner She's ten steps ahead of everybody else and it's what makes her brilliant But I think can also make her have trust issues with the people in her real life And I think one of the things that she loves so much about Superman is He is so radically present he's able to look at just what's in front of him and it's I think she finds it both of an Incredibly frustrating and also really endearing quality, you know There's definitely times where she's like, that's awesome that you save that cat out of the tree But over here a building burned down and there were like a hundred people inside of it So can we just like have a little bit of perspective here?

我覺得她是個能洞察一切的人 她比別人快十步，這讓她很出色 但我覺得這也會讓她對現實生活中的人產生信任問題 我覺得她很喜歡超人的一點是 他是如此的真實存在 他能看到眼前的一切 我覺得她覺得這既讓人沮喪又很可愛有的時候她會說 你把那隻貓從樹上救下來真是太棒了 但這裡有一棟樓被燒燬了 裡面有上百人 我們能不能換個角度看問題？

but yeah they bring out the Humanity in each other each of them frustrates the other in that way that leads to sparks and romance and passion that chemistry Yeah, sounds like an ideal combo.

但是，是的，他們激發出了彼此的人性，每個人都讓對方感到挫敗，從而產生火花、浪漫和激情，這種化學反應是的，聽起來就像一個理想的組合。

I can't wait to see more Nick with Lex first.

我迫不及待地想看到更多尼克和萊克斯的故事。

I kind of want to lay the foundation a little bit Can you tell me something about past iterations of the character that you wanted to hold tight to and honor in your portrayal?

我想為這個角色打下一點基礎，你能告訴我一些關於這個角色過去的故事嗎？

But then also something about the Lex we'll see in this movie that is uniquely your own There's so many great actors played Lex.

但是，我們在這部電影中看到的萊克斯，也有你自己的獨特之處。

I've adored their performances, but we're all kind of using the same Basis in the history of the comics to formulate the character I think what's lucky for me is James's writing is so dynamic and fun and and the dialogue is so smart that you get this Really rich world and characters to jump into so that's I'm coming from a great place already with what's in the script and also the Whole world that James has built up around that for this universe.

我很喜歡他們的表演，但我們都是以漫畫歷史為基礎來塑造角色的。我覺得我很幸運的是，詹姆斯的寫作是如此充滿活力和樂趣，對白也是如此精妙，讓你可以進入這個非常豐富的世界和角色，所以我已經從一個很好的角度來看待劇本中的內容，以及詹姆斯為這個宇宙所建立的整個世界。

I wasn't going in trying to do something particularly different or similar to what people had done before it's just trying to be truthful to what I Felt connected from the comics and those source materials to this script in this story I think yeah, it wasn't a conscious decision to try and do something different But I was also the brilliant thing about working with James is he's very collaborative on ideas and and trying things But he's also very clear in what he wants and he's also honest in like his opinion on things Well, like he'll say like this is working.

我並不是想做一些與眾不同的東西，或者與之前的人做過的東西相似，我只是想忠實於我從漫畫和這些素材中感受到的東西，並把它們與這個故事中的劇本聯繫起來，我想是的，這並不是一個有意識的決定，我只是想做一些與眾不同的東西。

This is you know, I need this that doesn't work so then you feel like you're in a great place as an actor with confidence to like try things and Be guided by someone who really knows what they want and what they're doing another burning question I have about your Lex is so obviously super smart.

這是你知道的，我需要這樣做，不工作，所以然後你覺得你在一個偉大的地方，作為一個演員的信心，喜歡嘗試的東西，並由某人誰真正知道他們想要什麼，他們在做什麼另一個迫切的問題，我有你的萊克斯是如此明顯的超級聰明。

No, I'm not smart really dumb I couldn't play smart so we have to super smart and also I read in another interview that he's very imposing So I have to imagine he goes into this movie with a lot of confidence, but I am curious when he goes up against Superman What do you think he fears is his greatest weakness in that fight?

不，我不聰明，真的很笨，我演不了聰明的角色，所以我們必須演超級聰明的角色，而且我在另一篇採訪中讀到，他非常有氣勢，所以我必須想象他在這部電影中充滿自信，但我很好奇，當他與超人對決時，你覺得他最害怕的弱點是什麼？

Well, that's something that we did discuss and you said early on, you know, because you're going up against someone who's all-powerful It's like you need someone who does feel like they could potentially be a credible threat towards them I think that's again very smart in the writing in the way that Lex is maneuvering in the chess pieces He has in play we are weak and that's what Superman shows us is that we are and I think since he's shown up Lex has tried to be you know All these things to humanity in this godlike Savior character and suddenly this person's taken all the adoration that he feels he deserved And and also taken away, you know their fate in some ways and he thinks they deserve to control that I think Lex looks at Superman like a lot of you know, artists print artists, especially look at AI I think he sees him as a threat to his livelihood and his legacy He's a guy who's just built his whole life around the idea of legacy and ego This guy comes in and he thinks he's a jerk.

這是我們討論過的 你一開始也說過因為你要對付的人很強大就像你需要一個讓你覺得 有可能對他們構成威脅的人 我覺得這又是一個非常聰明的寫法 萊克斯在棋子中操縱的方式 我們是弱者，超人告訴我們我們是弱者我覺得萊克斯看待超人的方式 就像很多藝術家，尤其是人工智能藝術家一樣 我覺得他把超人看成是對他的生計和遺產的威脅 他的一生都圍繞著遺產和自我這個概念展開

He's just Simple guy wearing a stupid costume that all of a sudden Everybody loves and every woman loves and all of the things that he cares about now are all going to him.

他只是一個穿著愚蠢服裝的簡單傢伙，突然間人人都愛他，每個女人都愛他，他現在關心的所有事情都歸他所有。

I Wanted to end on this particular question because a little obsessed with the idea because making movies is hard But I love highlighting the like the pride the passion and the joy that artists have On set when it comes to bringing these movies to screen for fans.

我想以這個問題作為結尾，因為我對這個想法有點著迷，因為製作電影很難，但我喜歡突出藝術家們在拍攝現場的自豪感、激情和喜悅，他們把這些電影搬上銀幕，呈現給影迷。

So big question But for each of you, can you isolate the single moment of making Superman that brought you the most joy as an artist?

那麼大的問題是，對於你們每個人來說，你們能找出在製作《超人》的過程中給你們帶來最大快樂的那一刻嗎？

You're probably the most fun to work with on a day-to-day basis But my favorite stuff was the the interview scene in the first two days because it was simply a scene of these two actors Just having a conversation shot for two days Very long scene in the movie, but it is just about the way they see each other It's the way they see the world.

但我最喜歡的是前兩天的採訪戲，因為那只是兩個演員的對話，拍了兩天，電影裡很長的一場戲，但那只是他們看待彼此的方式，是他們看待世界的方式。

It's the way they see their relationship.

It's the way they see Journalism and the way they see ethics at the very core and it brings in a lot of the things that make a relationship fiery and passionate because your opposites and it also brings in a lot of things that are gonna push them apart and seeing the movie and these these actors and the characters work in such a human real level that Deconstruct superheroes not in the way of like making.

這是他們看待新聞的方式，也是他們看待道德的核心，它帶來了很多讓一段關係變得火熱和激情的東西，因為你們是對立的，它也帶來了很多會把他們推開的東西，看到這部電影，看到這些演員和角色在這樣一個人類真實的層面上工作，《解構超級英雄》並不像製作的方式。

Oh these superheroes that are powerful are now bad guys It's more like really not deconstructing them It's it's it's a it's going deep with these superheroes in a way that Alan Moore did or you know And to see their portrayal in those first two days of shooting and know that in two days We shot 10% of the movie was really truly a joy, you know And then I had to spend another five months hanging you from wires and trying to get shots.

這些強大的超級英雄現在都成了壞蛋 這不是對他們的解構，而是以艾倫-摩爾的方式 對這些超級英雄進行了深入的描繪 你知道，在拍攝的頭兩天看到他們的形象

Yeah, that must be so hard for you You Stole my answer though.

是啊，這對你來說一定很困難，不過你還是偷走了我的答案。

I think that was that it was the same Those were my first two days on set and it was such a blast I didn't think that a superhero movie in theory could feel like that could feel so Human and grounded and we had so much space Under James's watchful eye to play and try things and really discover the core of these characters It was the perfect scene to start with because we really got to figure out who they are In these two days and then just built on that foundation for the rest of the movie and it was just you know It's early in the process, but it was really different I think from everything else you guys have been shooting at that point and there was just this energy from the crew And it was it was so much fun.

在詹姆斯的注視下，我們有足夠的空間去發揮，去嘗試，去真正發掘這些角色的核心。 這是一個完美的開場，因為我們在這兩天裡真正弄清了他們是誰，然後在這個基礎上開始電影的其他部分、但我覺得這跟你們之前拍的所有戲都不一樣 劇組充滿活力，非常有趣

I've ever had on set It was a great way to start a big action-packed Movie is just two days in a room almost like doing a play for me.

對我來說，在一個房間裡呆上兩天，就像是在演一齣戲。

Thank you There I was gonna say me two moments Well, the nice thing is we had read that scene before and then we had worked on the scene quite a bit before we shot It and then we spent two days shooting it.

謝謝你，我本來想說我有兩分鐘的時間 好在我們之前讀過那場戲 在拍攝之前，我們對那場戲進行了大量的研究 然後我們花了兩天時間進行拍攝

That was sort of my comfort blanket of like, okay This is I know what I'm doing here Like yeah, it's gonna work when Nick was cast I thought this is one of the best things that will happen to this movie is getting Nick Holt as Lex Luthor the first time I saw him at his camera test walk out of the shadows in costume It was like something ripped out of the page of the comics the way he held his hand.

當尼克被選中時，我想這是這部電影最棒的事情之一 讓尼克-霍爾特扮演萊克斯-盧瑟

It was so immediate I'm sure he was still figuring stuff out, but he didn't show any of that and it was quite intimidating I didn't feel like I had figured stuff out at that point.

我相信他當時還在摸索，但他沒有表現出來，這讓我很害怕，我覺得自己當時還沒有摸索出來。

So it was this amazing challenge In character of I'm gonna have to go up against this guy and match him at the same time I already knew at that point that he was a very lovely man and was very supportive and wanted me to do well And so there was no rivalry off-screen, but then the first time we did go up against each other Nose-to-nose in a scene.

我當時就知道他是個非常可愛的人，非常支持我，希望我拍得好，所以我們在戲外並沒有對手戲。

I tried so hard to to match you or to best you in some way and And I just couldn't yeah It was I felt like I couldn't and it was amazing because in that scene I don't quite win I don't come come out the winner of that scene It's just great to be across from a scene partner who you can feel such affection for and so supported by off-camera and so Completely cut down at the knees.

我很努力地想在某些方面與你匹敵或超越你，但我就是做不到，是的，我覺得我做不到，這很奇妙，因為在那場戲中，我沒有贏，我沒有成為那場戲的贏家。

Yeah on camera Wow Those things that scene was really fun that scene in the office Yeah, you know one of the moments it was I mean all of those things were mutual and what I felt as well But there's one moment again just going back to there's a scene where David flies into this set that we had built I Remembered like obviously there's loads of things going through your head and you're doing the scene and you're getting ready for that And there was a moment where I just looked up and was you in the suit flying into this set?

那場戲真的很有趣，在辦公室的那場戲 是的，你知道其中的一個時刻，我是說所有這些都是相互的，我也感覺到了 但是有一個時刻，我又想起來了，有一場戲，大衛飛進了我們搭建的佈景裡 我記得很明顯，你腦子裡想了很多東西，你在拍那場戲，你在為那場戲做準備 有一個時刻，我抬起頭，你穿著西裝飛進了這個佈景裡？

And I was like there was just me that was like, this is like the magic of movies This is the magic of my childhood.

我當時就想，這就是電影的魔力，這就是我童年的魔力。

This is all the things I would hope it would feel like the person I would hope playing Superman he like embodies the character perfectly So there was all this encapsulated and I was just kind of standing there dumbly like grinning being like, oh This is magic to be here And then I turned around and everyone else in the room Was kind of lit by the sunlight behind you or whatever and they were all had kind of that expression on their faces as well Just this like this movie magic and like real-life magic of what it was and that was really special to be there for that one of the greatest joys of being someone who sits in a movie theater and like feels that magic at that stage of the process is Hearing that the people who make the movies have those same kind of experiences.

這就是我所希望的一切 就像我希望扮演超人的人一樣 他完美地詮釋了超人這個角色 所以這一切都被濃縮了 我就呆呆地站在那裡，咧嘴笑著然後我轉過身去，房間裡的其他人都被你身後的陽光照亮了，他們臉上也都是那種表情，就像這種電影的魔力和現實生活中的魔力一樣，這真的很特別，作為一個坐在電影院裡的人，最大的樂趣之一就是在這個過程中感受到這種魔力。

I love it I'm gonna say an early congratulations on your movie Thank you for chatting with me today and to everybody out there Superman is in theaters on July 11th tickets are on sale now

我很喜歡，我要提前祝賀你的電影 謝謝你今天和我哈拉，也祝大家《超人》7月11日上映，現在開始售票