Name: 擴展訪談沃倫-巴菲特 (Extended interview: Warren Buffett)
Uploaded: 2025-06-06T15:10:15.000Z
Duration: 21 min 20 s

Welcome, I'm Tracy Smith, and this is Here Comes the Sun, a closer look at some of the people, places, and things we bring you every weekend on Sunday morning.

歡迎收看，我是特蕾西-史密斯（Tracy Smith），這裡是《太陽來了》（Here Comes the Sun），我們將在每個週末的週日早晨為您介紹一些人物、地點和事物。

Catherine Graham was a trailblazing CEO and publisher of the Washington Post during some of the 20th century's biggest events, like the Watergate scandal and the Pentagon Papers.

凱瑟琳-格雷厄姆（Catherine Graham）是《華盛頓郵報》的首席執行官兼發行人，在 20 世紀的一些重大事件（如水門醜聞和五角大樓文件）中發揮了開拓性作用。

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Her life, her friendship with then-Washington Post shareholder Warren Buffett, and the extent of her feud with President Richard Nixon are all the center of a new documentary titled Becoming Catherine Graham, now streaming on Amazon Prime.

她的生活、她與當時《華盛頓郵報》股東沃倫-巴菲特（Warren Buffett）的友誼，以及她與美國總統理查德-尼克松（Richard Nixon）之間的恩怨糾葛，都是一部名為《成為凱瑟琳-格雷厄姆》（Becoming Catherine Graham）的新紀錄片的核心內容。

At the center of the story is an unlikely friendship that began on June 4, 1973.

故事的中心是一段始於 1973 年 6 月 4 日的不可能的友誼。

When Buffett sent Graham a letter after buying a significant amount of the Washington Post company's stock.

當巴菲特買入大量《華盛頓郵報》公司股票後，給格雷厄姆寫了一封信。

I said, I'll never buy another share unless you personally okay it, and I signed a document.

我說，除非你親自同意，否則我再也不買股票了，我還在一份文件上籤了字。

Later in the show, Warren Buffett on Catherine Graham's heroism.

節目稍後，沃倫-巴菲特講述了凱瑟琳-格雷厄姆的英雄事蹟。

Would you say Catherine Graham was one of your heroes?

你認為凱瑟琳-格雷厄姆是你的偶像之一嗎？

To do what she did under those circumstances, show me anybody else.

在那樣的情況下，她還能做出那樣的事來，讓我看看還有誰能做到。

I mean, there are people, you know, the firemen during 9-11, I mean, there's all kinds of heroes in the world, but it was a unique kind of heroism by a woman, and she didn't think of herself as representing women, she was kind of uncomfortable in that, but like it or not, she was in the spot.

我的意思是，有些人，你知道，9-11事件中的消防員，我的意思是，世界上有各種各樣的英雄，但這是一個女人的獨特英雄主義，她並不認為自己代表女性，她有點不舒服，但不管你喜歡與否，她是在現場。

Then Lee Cowan visits Julian's Auction, an auction house giving people a chance at owning celebrity memorabilia.

隨後，Lee Cowan 訪問了朱利安拍賣行，這是一家為人們提供擁有名人紀念品機會的拍賣行。

Owners Martin Nolan and Darren Julian created the company over 20 years ago.

公司所有者馬丁-諾蘭（Martin Nolan）和達倫-朱利安（Darren Julian）在 20 多年前創建了這家公司。

Julian's has sold stars' iconic looks, from Michael Jackson's sequined glove to Olivia Newton-John's leather jacket from Greece.

從邁克爾-傑克遜（Michael Jackson）的亮片手套到奧利維亞-紐頓-約翰（Olivia Newton-John）來自希臘的皮夾克，Julian's 曾出售過明星的經典造型。

馬丁-諾蘭（Martin Nolan）和達倫-朱利安（Darren Julian）。

Are the heart and fanboy souls of Julian's Auctions.

他們是朱利安拍賣行的核心和粉絲的靈魂。

林戈-斯塔爾擁有的英國電話亭。

Which has been making quite a name for itself in the celebrity memorabilia space of late.

最近，它在名人紀念品領域聲名鵲起。

The two of them couldn't be more different.

他們兩人的差異簡直不能再大。

Martin is from rural Ireland, Darren is from rural Indiana, but 20 years ago they saw a potential market that few others did.

馬丁來自愛爾蘭農村，達倫來自印第安納州農村，但 20 年前，他們看到了一個很少有人看到的潛在市場。

That's all coming up right here on Here Comes the Sun.

太陽來了 "節目將為您一一呈現。

When Katherine Graham's husband, Philip, committed suicide, she was thrown into his role as publisher for the Washington Post.

凱瑟琳-格雷厄姆（Katherine Graham）的丈夫菲利普（Philip）自殺後，她被推上了《華盛頓郵報》發行人的位置。

Graham went from being a housewife to becoming the first female CEO of a Fortune 500 company.

格雷厄姆從一名家庭主婦成為《財富》500 強企業的首位女性首席執行官。

It was because of her that the Post's stock price went up 3,000%.

正是因為她，《郵報》的股價上漲了 3000%。

Nora O'Donnell sat down with Graham's dear friend and Washington Post investor, Warren Buffett, to learn why he believes Graham was one of a kind.

諾拉-奧唐納與格雷厄姆的摯友、《華盛頓郵報》投資人沃倫-巴菲特坐在一起，瞭解他為何認為格雷厄姆是獨一無二的人物。

If there's any story that should be told, it should be her story.

如果有什麼故事應該被講述，那應該是她的故事。

If I was a young girl, I'd want to hear that story.

如果我是一個小女孩，我一定想聽聽這個故事。

But also rare, his friendship with the late trailblazing publisher of the Washington Post.

但同樣難得的是，他與《華盛頓郵報》已故出版人的友誼。

Why did you want to talk about Katherine Graham?

你為什麼想談談凱瑟琳-格雷厄姆？

She knew she could do things, but she'd been told all her life that she wasn't, and that females didn't do things.

她知道自己能做事，但她的一生都被告知自己不行，女性不能做事。

I mean, her mother told her, nobody's interested in listening to you.

我是說，她媽媽告訴她，沒人有興趣聽你說話。

And she had an all-male board that was waiting for her.

她還有一個全男性的董事會在等著她。

And all they wanted was her to stay home and cash the dividend checks.

他們只想讓她待在家裡兌現紅利支票。

Graham was thrust into the role, taking over the company after her husband, Philip Graham, died by suicide.

丈夫菲利普-格雷厄姆（Philip Graham）自殺身亡後，格雷厄姆被推上了這個職位，接管了公司。

She was then at the center of some of the century's biggest stories.

當時，她正處於本世紀一些重大事件的中心。

The much-discussed and apparently widely-read but still classified Pentagon documents were turned over to Congress today.

今天，五角大樓向美國國會提交了備受討論、顯然已被廣泛閱讀但仍屬機密的文件。

She made the decision to publish the Pentagon Papers that helped lead to the end of the Vietnam War.

她做出了發表五角大樓文件的決定，這有助於越南戰爭的結束。

Five men with bugging gear were found in Democratic headquarters here in the Watergate building.

在水門大廈的民主黨總部 發現了五名攜帶竊聽設備的男子

It was Catherine Graham who supported the investigative journalism that led to President Nixon's resignation after Watergate.

正是凱瑟琳-格雷厄姆支持新聞調查，才導致尼克松總統在 "水門事件 "後辭職。

I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow.

我將辭去主席職務，明天中午生效。

And she had been drummed into her head, only men can succeed at business.

她的腦子裡一直灌輸著這樣的觀念：只有男人才能成功經商。

The worst handicap women work under is the self-inflicted one, and that if you've grown up thinking of yourself as a second-class citizen, that you tend always to put yourself down.

女性在工作中遇到的最嚴重的障礙是自找的，如果你從小就認為自己是二等公民，那麼你就會總是貶低自己。

Graham's journey from housewife to the first female CEO of a Fortune 500 company is laid out in a new documentary, Becoming Catherine Graham, now streaming on Amazon Prime.

新紀錄片《成為凱瑟琳-格雷厄姆》（Becoming Catherine Graham）講述了格雷厄姆從家庭主婦到財富 500 強公司首位女性首席執行官的成長曆程，該紀錄片目前正在亞馬遜 Prime 頻道播放。

I said, Mrs. Graham, you control this company lock, stock and barrel, but you're still worried about me.

我說，格雷厄姆夫人 你控制著這家公司 但你還是擔心我

I said, I'll never buy another share unless you personally okay it.

我說，除非你親自同意，否則我再也不買股票了。

He used to come to board meetings with about 20 annual reports, and he would take me through these annual reports.

他經常帶著大約 20 份年度報告來參加董事會會議，他會帶我瀏覽這些年度報告。

I mean, it was like going to business school with Warren Buffett.

我的意思是，這就像和沃倫-巴菲特一起上商學院一樣。

Why did you invest in the Washington Post in the first place?

您當初為什麼投資《華盛頓郵報》？

It was worth at least $500 million and was selling for $100 million.

它至少價值 5 億美元，售價為 1 億美元。

Thank God our stock got so cheap that it attracted Warren's attention in 1973.

感謝上帝，1973 年我們的股票便宜到引起沃倫的注意。

Don Graham is Catherine's son and a former publisher of the Post.

唐-格雷厄姆是凱瑟琳的兒子，也曾是《郵報》的發行人。

Don Graham says that Warren Buffett is the greatest thing in business that ever happened to Catherine Graham.

唐-格雷厄姆（Don Graham）說，沃倫-巴菲特是凱瑟琳-格雷厄姆最偉大的商業成就。

What were the things you would say to her to boost her confidence?

你會對她說什麼來增強她的信心？

The biggest thing I said is I said when you look in the mirror, you know, it's a funhouse mirror because you're seeing it through the eyes of what the males are telling you about it.

我說的最重要的一點是，我說當你照鏡子的時候，你知道，那是一面有趣的鏡子，因為你是通過男性告訴你的東西的眼睛來看待它的。

So my job is to turn that funhouse mirror into a regular mirror.

所以，我的工作就是把這面 "有趣的鏡子 "變成一面 "普通的鏡子"。

And she knew I was on her side, and I admired her enormously, and she was torturing herself.

她知道我站在她這邊，我非常欽佩她，而她卻在折磨自己。

Nixon hated the Post and us personally through his dying day.

尼克松臨終前一直痛恨《郵報》和我們。

The documentary for the first time shows the public the full extent of President Richard Nixon's feud with Catherine Graham.

這部紀錄片首次向公眾全面展示了理查德-尼克松總統與凱瑟琳-格雷厄姆的恩怨。

I saw her on the TV last night, Mrs. Graham.

我昨晚在電視上看到她了 格雷厄姆夫人

I would have thought she was about 85 years old.

She's only about, I think, something like 57.

哦，在我看來，她是個老婊子。

Did she talk about facing that kind of sexism and those kind of taunts from even the president of the United States?

她有沒有談及面對這種性別歧視和來自美國總統的嘲諷？

What did scare her was the idea of losing the paper.

讓她感到害怕的是丟失報紙的想法。

The Washington Post, its presses crippled in a violent strike.

華盛頓郵報》在一次暴力罷工中癱瘓。

Never did that feel more real to Graham than in 1975 when the Post's printers damaged the presses and went on a bitter strike for more than four months, limiting the paper's circulation.

1975年，《郵報》的印刷商損壞了印刷機，進行了長達四個多月的激烈罷工，限制了報紙的發行量。

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