Name: 【BBC】比爾蓋茨將捐出大部分財富給非洲 (Bill Gates to give most of his $200bn fortune to Africa | BBC News)
Uploaded: 2025-06-05T21:01:20.000Z
Duration: 5 min 58 s

Now, Microsoft founder and philanthropist Bill Gates says he plans to lobby the U.S. government to reconsider terminating its financial support to the vaccine alliance Gavi.

現在，微軟創辦人兼慈善家比爾蓋茨表示，他計劃遊說美國政府重新考慮終止對疫苗聯盟 Gavi 的財政支持。

In an exclusive interview with Focus on Africa's Waihega Mwaura,

蓋茨先生在接受《聚焦非洲》記者 Waihega Mwaura 的獨家採訪時說，

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Mr. Gates said he will be making a case to U.S. President Donald Trump to restore funding to Gavi, which he says will prevent children from dying from vaccine-preventable diseases.

蓋茲表示，他將向美國總統川普提出恢復對全球疫苗免疫聯盟的資助，他表示這將防止兒童死於疫苗可預防的疾病。

Already, the Africa CDC has said it has seen an increase in measles, meningitis and yellow fever in African countries.

非洲疾病預防控制中心已經表示，非洲國家的麻疹、腦膜炎和黃熱病發生率增加。

Speaking to us at the African Union headquarters in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa, Mr. Gates said aid still plays a crucial or critical role as the region pivots towards self-reliance.

蓋茨先生在位於衣索比亞首都阿迪斯阿貝巴的非洲聯盟總部對我們說，在該地區轉向自力更生的過程中，援助仍然發揮著至關重要的作用。

Within the next 20 years, most African countries will graduate to self-sufficiency for these very basic things.

在未來 20 年內，大多數非洲國家將逐步實現這些基本需求的自給自足。

And so what we should care about is how does aid fit in to accelerate that?

我們應該關心的是，如何通過援助來加快這一進程？

When you stop that baby from getting HIV, when you buy that bed net, when you figure out what is malnutrition.

當你阻止嬰兒感染愛滋病毒時，當你購買蚊帳時，當你發現什麼是營養不良時。

And so the baby's brain fully develops, achieves its full potential.

這樣，嬰兒的大腦就能充分發育，發揮其全部潛能。

You're accelerating that path for Africa to be largely middle-income countries.

你們加快了非洲成為中等收入國家的步伐。

To quote the outgoing Africa Development Bank president, he said, and I paraphrase that, Africa's development will not come from aid.

我引用即將離任的非洲開發銀行行長的話說，非洲的發展不會來自援助。

Well, aid as a percentage of the economy won't be gigantic, but if you believe that babies shouldn't be infected with HIV, and aid is helping you with that.

好吧，援助佔經濟的比例不會很大，但如果你相信嬰兒不應該感染愛滋病毒，而援助正在幫助你實現這個目標。

If you want all the world's science to help cure sickle cell disease, and that's not going to get organized except by aid that brings those scientific resources.

如果你希望世界上所有的科學都能幫助治癒鐮狀細胞病，而這是不可能組織起來的，除非通過援助帶來這些科學資源。

Aid plays a unique role, and anybody who says aid versus something else, that's a silly discussion.

援助發揮著獨特的作用，任何人說援助與其他東西相比，都是愚蠢的討論。

There have been global aid cuts, but more specifically from the United States by the Trump administration.

全球援助一直在削減，但更具體地說是川普政府從美國削減了援助。

Do you think philanthropists like yourself can fill that gap?

你認為像你這樣的慈善家能填補這一空白嗎？

Well, the numbers are way too large for philanthropy to fill that gap.

慈善事業無法彌補這一缺口，但這一數字太大了。

We're going to see a dramatic increase in children's deaths because we're not going to have those capacities.

我們將看到兒童死亡人數急劇增加，因為我們沒有這些能力。

Are you willing to use your considerable influence to possibly seek audience with President Trump again?

你是否願意利用你的巨大影響力，再次尋求與川普總統會面？

Maybe ask him to consider a more gradual pullout from some of these programs, Gavi with vaccinations, for example?

也許可以請他考慮逐步退出其中的一些計劃，比如疫苗接種方面的 Gavi 計劃？

No, I'll make a strong case that the U.S. should stay involved in Gavi, that it should be a leader on helping with polio eradication, that these HIV programs, some efficiencies can be gained.

不，我會提出強有力的理由，證明美國應該繼續參與加維項目，應該成為幫助根除脊髓灰質炎的領導者，這些愛滋病項目可以提高效率。

I want us to pivot for a little bit and talk about, and ask you about a company that you have interest in, Cobol Metals.

我想和你談談你感興趣的一家公司，Cobol Metals。

It's an investment company that's got backing from you and Jeff Bezos, and there have been some announcements recently about their work in the DRC, specifically to do with lithium mining.

這是一家得到你和傑夫·貝佐斯支持的投資公司，最近他們發布了一些關於在剛果民主共和國開展工作的公告，特別是有關鋰礦開採的工作。

Are you able to tell us a little bit about your interests in this company?

你能談談你對這家公司的興趣嗎？

Yeah, so Cobol was created to use artificial intelligence to take all the data about what's buried underground and to find valuable mining deposits.

是的，Cobol 的誕生就是為了利用人工智慧獲取所有關於地下埋藏物的數據，並找到有價值的礦藏。

It's very good news for Africa that they found many major deposits, and that'll generate a lot of jobs, a lot of royalties.

對非洲來說，這是一個非常好的消息，因為他們發現了許多大型礦藏，這將創造大量的就業機會和特許權使用費。

I don't know the specifics of the DRC lithium mine.

我不知道剛果民主共和國鋰礦的具體情況。

I'm glad to hear they're doing work there.

我很高興聽到他們在那裡開展工作。

I know about some of the work in other countries they're doing with copper.

我知道他們在其他國家用銅所做的一些工作。

The DRC, this I'm sure you're aware of, has been in the midst of a conflict in the eastern DRC, and its effects are being felt across the country and across the region as well.

我相信你們已經知道，剛果民主共和國東部正處於衝突之中，其影響力正在波及全國乃至整個地區。

There are those who would be unhappy with a philanthropist like yourself having investments in a company that, to some extent, is part of the mining sector, and human rights groups have raised challenges about the mining sector.

有人會對像你這樣的慈善家投資於一家在某種程度上屬於採礦業的公司感到不滿，人權組織也對採礦業提出了質疑。

Would you see why some would be concerned about what they describe as profiting from others' pain?

你能理解為什麼有些人會對他們所說的從他人痛苦中獲利的行為感到擔憂嗎？

Well, I don't think telling all investors to stay away from Africa is necessarily the best thing.

好吧，我不認為告訴所有投資者遠離非洲就一定是最好的。

I bet there's a way to have mines that create jobs and royalties for the government, allows them to buy vaccines, save lives, but I'm not an expert on the particulars there.

我打賭一定有辦法讓礦山為政府創造就業機會和特許權使用費，讓他們購買疫苗，拯救生命，但我不是這方面的專家。

The Gates Foundation does a lot of work in the DRC.

蓋茨基金會在剛果民主共和國開展了大量工作。

There's diseases like sleeping sickness, where we've created new drugs, new diagnostics, and the suffering for something like sleeping sickness is terrible.

像昏睡病這樣的疾病，我們已經創造出了新的藥物和新的診斷方法，但像昏睡病這樣的疾病給人們帶來的痛苦是非常可怕的。

Just clarify, for those who may not understand, the differences between, obviously, the work that you do and your investment in the Gates Foundation, and of course, some of the interests you would have in other companies, including Cobalt Ventures.

請澄清一下，對於那些可能不理解的人來說，你所做的工作與你在蓋茨基金會的投資，當然還有你在其他公司（包括科博爾特風險投資公司）的一些利益之間有什麼區別。

I created a thing called Breakthrough Energy, which is to back companies that can help with climate change, and of course, that's a huge challenge for Africa, and using innovation to reduce climate change is why that was created.

我創立了一個名為「突破能源」的項目，旨在支持那些能夠幫助應對氣候變化的公司，當然，這對非洲來說是一個巨大的挑戰，而利用創新來減少氣候變化正是創立這個項目的初衷。

Cobalt is one of the investments coming out of that activity.

鈷是這項活動的投資項目之一。

The Gates Foundation, of course, is completely non-profit.

當然，蓋茨基金會完全是非營利性的。

We buy vaccines, and so it's purely on the donation side, partnering with the health system.

我們購買疫苗，所以純粹是在捐贈方面與衛生系統合作。