Name: 哈里王子告訴 BBC 他希望與王室 "和解" | BBC 新聞 (Prince Harry tells BBC he wants ‘reconciliation’ with Royal Family | BBC News)
Uploaded: 2025-05-03T00:08:37.000Z
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Now in an exclusive interview with BBC News, Prince Harry has said he is devastated about losing his latest legal challenge over the security he receives when he's in the UK.

現在，哈里王子在接受 BBC 新聞的獨家專訪時表示，他對自己在英國接受安保問題的最新法律挑戰失敗感到非常沮喪。

過去簡單式

The Duke of Sussex's taxpayer funded protection was downgraded back in 2020 after he stopped being a working royal.

早在 2020 年，蘇塞克斯公爵不再擔任工作王室成員後，由納稅人出資提供的保護就被降級了。

Well he appealed arguing he was singled out for different, unjustified and inferior treatment.

他提出上訴，辯稱自己被單獨挑出來，受到了不同的、不合理的和低劣的待遇。

But three judges at the Court of Appeal today rejected that appeal.

但上訴法院的三位法官今天駁回了這一上訴。

Well now, following that judgment, he's told the BBC that it is currently impossible for him and his family to return to the UK.

現在，在判決之後，他告訴 BBC，他和家人目前不可能返回英國。

He's also said that because of the current situation his father, the King, isn't speaking to him.

他還說，由於目前的局勢，他的父親，也就是國王，並沒有和他說話。

Well Prince Harry is currently living in California where he's been speaking to our correspondent Ned Atorfik and we can bring you that extended interview now.

哈里王子目前住在加利福尼亞，他在那裡接受了本臺記者奈德-阿託菲克的採訪。

Obviously pretty pretty gutted about the decision.

顯然，我對這個決定感到非常難過。

We thought it was going to go our way but it certainly have, it certainly has proven that there was no way to win this through the through the courts.

我們本以為事情會按照我們的意願發展，但事實證明，我們根本無法通過法庭贏得勝利。

I wish someone had told me that beforehand.

But yeah it's, the decision has been a surprise as well as not a surprise.

是的，這個決定既讓人感到意外，也不讓人感到意外。

So yeah for the time being it's impossible for me to take my family back to the UK safely.

所以，我暫時不可能把家人安全送回英國。

You're obviously very deeply affected by this.

What memories, experiences had you hoped your children Archie and Lilibet would have had that you think they won't be able to now with this decision?

您曾希望您的孩子 Archie 和 Lilibet 擁有哪些回憶和經歷，而您認為他們現在無法擁有這些回憶和經歷？

Well for a start the the only time that I've come back to the UK is sadly for for funerals or court cases with the the odd charitable function where I can in between that.

首先，我回到英國的唯一一次機會就是參加葬禮或法庭案件，在此期間我還會參加一些慈善活動。

I put myself at risk for that but I I will continue on with a life of public service so I will always support the charities and the people that mean so much to me.

我是以而面臨風險，但我將繼續為公眾服務，所以我會一直支持對我意義重大的慈善機構和人們。

I can't see a world in which I would be bringing my wife and children back to the UK at this point and the things that they the things that they're going to miss is well everything.

我無法想象在這個時候我還會把妻子和孩子帶回英國，他們會懷念的東西是一切。

You know I love my country I always have done despite what some people in that country have done.

你知道我愛我的國家，我一直都愛我的國家，儘管這個國家的某些人做了些什麼。

I miss parts of the UK of course I do and I think that it's really quite sad that I won't be able to show you know my children my homeland.

我當然會想念英國的一些地方，而且我覺得，不能讓我的孩子們看到我的故鄉，真的很令人難過。

And as you say you've gone back several times during this years-long battle.

正如你所說，在這場長達數年的戰鬥中，你已經回去了好幾次。

What about the security arrangements that were in place made you feel it unsafe for you and your family?

現有的安全安排有哪些地方讓您和您的家人感到不安全？

There's only so much that I can say because of the redaction process and the national security matters at hand but everything because in 2020 beginning of 2020 I was scored the highest as far as risk was concerned and then overnight I was reduced to the lowest without actually going through the Risk Management Board.

由於編輯程序和手頭的國家安全事務，我只能說這麼多，但一切都是因為在 2020 年初，就風險而言，我的得分是最高的，但一夜之間，我的得分降到了最低，而實際上並沒有經過風險管理委員會的審核。

So when one does question how that is even possible and also the motive behind that at the time and that was in 2020 and as hard as it is to appreciate or understand why the decision was made the way that it was in 2020 the hardest thing for me has been the fix of that decision for the last five years.

是以，當人們質疑這怎麼可能以及當時的動機時，那是在 2020 年，儘管很難理解或明白為什麼 2020 年會做出這樣的決定，但對我來說，最困難的事情是在過去的五年裡，這個決定被固定了下來。

The fact that I still haven't had a Risk Management Board assessment done for me over the last five years.

事實上，在過去五年中，風險管理委員會仍未對我進行過評估。

Everybody else within this group of people get it at the minimum once a year.

這群人中的其他人每年至少都要做一次。

So again I would not have taken this this far if I didn't have compelling evidence of facts that reveal why the decision was made and I'm sitting here today talking to you where you know I've we've we've we've lost the we've lost the appeal but the other side have won in keeping me unsafe.

所以，如果我沒有令人信服的事實證據來揭示為什麼會做出這樣的決定，我也不會走到今天這一步，今天我坐在這裡和你們談話，你們知道我已經輸了，我們已經輸了上訴，但另一方已經贏了，他們讓我不安全。

So again there's a lot of question marks that a lot of people will have.

是以，很多人還是會有很多問號。

I have all of the truth I have all the knowledge now throughout the legal process I've uncovered my worst fears and to now know today based on this judgment that there was no legal framework that constrains the decisions of this body Ravec of which the Royal Household sit on and I didn't know that until this legal process in 2021.

在整個法律程序中，我發現了我最擔心的問題，現在我知道了所有的真相，根據這份判決書，沒有任何法律框架可以約束皇室成員所在的 Ravec 機構的決定，直到 2021 年的法律程序，我才知道這一點。

One of the first things my lawyer said to me was as disclosure started or as this started she turned around and said did you know that the Royal Household sat on Ravec and my jaw hit the floor.

我的律師對我說的第一句話是，當披露開始時，她轉過身來對我說，你知道皇室成員坐在 Ravec 上嗎？

Well I want to ask you about that because the King's private secretary sits on Ravec now.

我想問問你，因為國王的私人祕書現在就在拉韋克。

Do you wish your father had intervened despite how that may have looked?

你是否希望你的父親能進行干預，儘管這看起來可能很糟糕？

I've never asked him to intervene I've asked him to step out I step out of the way and let the experts do their job.

我從未要求他干預，我只要求他讓開，我不插手，讓專家們做他們的工作。

This Ravec committee is an expert committee full of professionals plus the Royal Household and the Royal Household don't have any role on that on the Ravec committee other than the helping influence the decisions based on members of the Royal Family and five years later every single visit that I do back to the UK has to go through the Royal Household.

拉韋克委員會是一個專家委員會，由專業人士和王室成員組成，王室成員在拉韋克委員會中沒有任何作用，只是幫助影響基於王室成員的決策，五年後，我每次回英國訪問都要經過王室。

My representative on the Ravec committee still to this day is the Royal Household.

我在拉韋克委員會的代表至今仍是王室成員。

That is not a decision that I choose I am forced to go through the Royal Household and accept that they are putting my best interests forward during these conversations and deliberations.

這不是我自己的決定，我只能通過王室，接受他們在這些對話和討論中為我爭取最大利益。

So no I haven't asked my father to intervene.

The whole point of a risk management board which as I said everybody else gets but I haven't never been given since back end of 2019 was the last one that I was given.

正如我所說，風險管理委員會的全部意義在於，其他人都能獲得風險管理委員會，但我卻從未獲得過，因為我上一次獲得風險管理委員會是在 2019 年年底。

The whole point of that is to have a board and a it is a system and an assessment that is designed to be non-bias and to avoid interference.

這樣做的目的是要有一個委員會，有一個系統，有一個評估，目的是不偏不倚，避免干擾。

What I know throughout this legal process is the interference that was created came from the Royal Household and the Ravec chair at the time who I believe I can talk about because he's no longer there Sir Richard Well the first people that he went to go and see was the Royal Household at the Palace.

在整個法律程序中，我所知道的是，王室和當時的 Ravec 主席製造了干擾，我相信我可以談談他，因為他已經不在了，理查德爵士。

So whether it's the media or whether it's anybody else that claims that the Royal Household and my father my family don't have any decision-making capabilities on Ravec well then what's their role?

所以，不管是媒體還是其他人，如果說王室和我父親我的家族在拉韋克沒有任何決策能力，那麼他們的角色是什麼？

They're not experts what's their role on that?

他們不是專家，他們在這方面扮演什麼角色？

And Sir Richard Mottram emailed back in January of 2020 that an RMB would be necessary before taking my security away.

而理查德-莫特拉姆爵士早在 2020 年 1 月就發郵件說，在剝奪我的安全保障之前，有必要獲得人民幣。

After his visit to the Palace that RMB that was planned was abandoned in favour of alternative governance measures.

在他訪問皇宮後，原計劃的人民幣計劃被放棄，轉而採取其他治理措施。

What the court decided today was that they were justified for four reasons to not have that review and a major part of that is because you're no longer a working royal a change in your status.

法院今天的裁決是，出於四個原因，他們有理由不進行審查，其中一個主要原因是，你不再是一名工作的皇室成員，你的身份發生了變化。

I am part of what I'm part of and I can never escape that.

我是我的一部分，我永遠無法擺脫這一點。

My circumstances will always be the same but with a specific answer to the question there are comparisons that exist and again I have to be careful what I say but I think it would be quite shocking for the British public and the public at large to understand or know that in fact many people do know this that people who leave public office receive lifetime protection regardless of whether there are threats or risks to them.

我的情況永遠不會改變，但在具體回答這個問題時，存在著可比性，我必須再次小心我所說的話，但我認為，如果讓英國公眾和廣大公眾瞭解或知道，事實上許多人確實知道，離開公職的人無論是否受到威脅或面臨風險，都會得到終生保護，那將是相當令人震驚的。

So for me with a whole list of risks and threats that were known about in 2020 and that have only increased over time including the al-Qaeda threat that was published and talked about recently, completely disregarded, thrown away, ignored because for me security was made conditional on having that official role.

是以，對我來說，在 2020 年就已經知道的一系列風險和威脅，包括最近公佈和談論的 "基地 "組織的威脅，隨著時間的推移只增不減，完全被忽視、被拋棄、被忽略，因為對我來說，安全是以擔任這一官方職務為條件的。

That role that everybody knows that myself and my wife wish to carry on but was stopped from being able to do that back in 2020.

眾所周知，我和我的妻子希望繼續扮演這一角色，但早在 2020 年就被阻止了。

What do you say to those who ask why should the taxpayer pay for your police security if you have your own private security?

有人問，如果你有自己的私人保全，為什麼納稅人要為你的警察保全付費，你怎麼回答？

What's your response to those who say you're getting police protection on a case-by-case basis?

有人說你是在個案基礎上獲得警方保護，你對此有何迴應？

I don't know why you ask that question again but in three parts if you could because you just put three very very important questions together and I cannot possibly answer all three of them at the same time.

我不知道你為什麼又問這個問題，但如果可以的話，請分三個部分來問，因為你剛才把三個非常重要的問題放在一起，我不可能同時回答所有三個問題。

What do you say to those who ask why the UK taxpayer should pay for police security you have your own private security?

有人問，你有自己的私人保全，為什麼英國納稅人要為警察保全買單，你怎麼回答？

Well first off private security can only do so much.

首先，私人保全只能做這麼多。

Again I can't go into the details of that but I think most people will be able to work that out.

同樣，我也無法詳述其中的細節，但我認為大多數人都能解決這個問題。

One of the major things is they don't have jurisdiction in a foreign country or in any country they don't Police protection is effective protection which is what my grandmother made very clear that we needed.

其中最重要的一點是，他們在外國或任何國家都沒有管轄權，他們沒有警察的保護就是有效的保護，而這正是我祖母非常明確地告訴我們需要的。

With regard to the to the taxpayer part of it I don't need to go into detail how much the Royal Family costs or how much protection costs.

至於納稅人的部分，我不需要詳細說明王室的費用或保護費用。

What I will say is that some of the British press, British tabloid press, did a very good job in campaigning to have our security removed by quoting figures such as 20 million pounds and through this disclosure process I've seen constituents in the UK write to their MP saying as a taxpayer I don't want to pay for Meghan and Harry's security at this cost.

我要說的是，英國的一些媒體，英國的小報媒體，通過引用2000萬英鎊這樣的數字，為取消我們的安保做了很好的宣傳，通過這個披露過程，我看到英國的選民寫信給他們的國會議員說，作為納稅人，我不想以這樣的成本為梅根和哈里的安保買單。

They're literally quoting headlines from British newspapers.

他們簡直就是在引用英國報紙的標題。

Those figures are obviously grossly exaggerated by about 18-19 times and further to that if you know that other people are being protected, people that have made a choice for public office, then why wouldn't you be comfortable, happy with someone in my position who's given 35 years service to his country, two tours of Afghanistan and the threats and risks to my life.

這些數字顯然被嚴重誇大了約 18-19 倍，此外，如果你知道其他人受到了保護，他們是選擇擔任公職的人，那麼你為什麼不對我這樣一個為國效力 35 年、兩次出征阿富汗、生命受到威脅並面臨風險的人感到放心和滿意呢？

I was born into this position, I was born into those risks and they've only increased over time along with my marriage to Meghan and the the frenzy across media, mainstream media and social media that I created.

我生來就有這樣的地位，生來就有這樣的風險，而且隨著時間的推移，隨著我與梅根的婚姻，隨著我在媒體、主流媒體和社交媒體上掀起的狂潮，這些風險只會越來越大。

I guess on top of that as well probably what people don't know but that is mentioned in the the judgment today, RABEC protect private citizens.

我想，除此之外，人們可能還不知道，但今天的判決書中提到了，RABEC 保護公民個人。

I was made a private citizen by the Royal Household, not by RABEC, by the Royal Household.

我是由王室，而不是由 RABEC，任命為私人公民的。

I can't be a private citizen, I will never be seen as a private citizen, I will never be treated as a private citizen, not by the media, not by most people and certainly not by anybody that wants to harm me or my wife or our kids.

我不能成為一個普通公民，我永遠不會被看作一個普通公民，我永遠不會被當作一個普通公民對待，媒體不會，大多數人不會，當然任何想傷害我、我妻子或我們孩子的人也不會。

So I think once people realise or understand that there are private citizens who have never played any role in public office and never will play any public role, that because they are high-risk they are protected at taxpayers expense and rightly so because it will affect not only with that person could they end up in hospital or worse on UK soil but it comes down to impact and it comes down down to the reputational impact of the UK if that person or those people are injured on UK soil.

是以，我認為，一旦人們意識到或理解到，有些公民從未擔任過公職，也永遠不會擔任公職，因為他們是高風險人群，他們受到保護是由納稅人承擔費用的，這也是理所當然的，因為這不僅會影響到那個人在英國領土上住院或更糟的情況，還會影響到英國的聲譽，如果那個人或那些人在英國領土上受傷的話。

But apparently for me that doesn't matter.

但顯然對我來說，這並不重要。

And just to be absolutely clear, what is the difference between the top-level security you say you should have and the security you are given on this case-by-case basis?

為了明確起見，你所說的最高級別的安全保障與你在個案基礎上獲得的安全保障之間有什麼區別？

So the details of the security I can't talk about.

所以安全方面的細節我不能說。

All I will say is that the last RMB assessment I was given I scored the highest.

我只想說，在上次人民幣評估中，我得了最高分。

The only person within the family that scored anywhere near that was my grandmother.

家族中唯一能達到這個分數的人是我的祖母。

一夜之間，我的地位降到了最低。

This case-by-case basis has been used by the by Ravik and also by large sections of the British press to say what's the big problem?

拉維克和大部分英國媒體都利用這種逐案分析的方法說，有什麼大問題嗎？

You're given something on a case-by-case basis.

你會根據具體情況得到一些東西。

Unfortunately that case-by-case basis is separated by the reason for my visit.

遺憾的是，這種個案基礎與我來訪的原因相去甚遠。

Just to give you more context on that, it's not really a case-by-case basis.

為了讓你瞭解更多相關資訊，這其實不是個案。

If you're invited to the UK by your family then we will give you security.

如果您的家人邀請您前往英國，我們將為您提供安全保障。

If you come for any other reason then you will get a very low amount of security.

如果您是出於其他原因前來，那麼您將獲得非常低的安全保障。

I'm not going to confirm what that is but it is completely insufficient and somewhere along the line people have talked about the fact that really all it is is someone on the end of a phone.

我不打算證實那是什麼，但這完全不夠，而且人們一直在談論一個事實，那就是電話那頭確實有人。

No matter how much private security I have around me, there's only so much that I can do and operate and function within the UK when it comes to supporting my charities, visiting my friends, all of these things.

無論我身邊有多少私人保鏢，我在英國能做的、能運作的、能發揮的作用也就那麼多，支持我的慈善機構、拜訪我的朋友，所有這些事情都是如此。

I've been treated very, very, very differently to everybody else that exists.

我所受到的待遇與其他任何人都非常、非常、非常不同。

All examples that exist, past, present, I have been singled out.

所有存在的例子，過去的、現在的，我都被挑了出來。

You've spoken very openly about the fact that you think you've been punished for leaving the monarchy.

您曾公開表示，您認為自己因為離開君主制而受到了懲罰。

Who specifically do you think is trying to punish you?

Now I know that security was used as leverage.

現在我知道了，安全被用作了籌碼。

I think what really worries me more than anything else about today's decision, depending on what happens next, is that it's set a new precedent that security can be used to control members of the family and effectively what it does is imprison other members of the family from being able to choose a different life.

我認為，對於今天的決定，最讓我擔心的是它開創了一個新的先例，即安全可以被用來控制家庭成員，這實際上是禁錮了其他家庭成員選擇不同生活的權利。

If for me security is conditional on having an official role, one that both myself and my wife wish to carry on but then was rejected, not by RABEC, was rejected by the royal household and the result of that is you lose your security, that basically says that you can't live outside of outside of their control if you want to be safe.

如果對我來說，安全的條件是有一個正式的角色，一個我和我妻子都希望繼承的角色，但卻被拒絕了，不是被 RABEC 拒絕了，而是被王室拒絕了，其結果就是你失去了安全，這基本上就是說，如果你想要安全，你就不能生活在他們的控制之外。

But it's a pretty hard decision there and I think if you strip away all the noise of everything that's been said by other people and all the noise that's been created around this, if you strip that all away, I think what people will hear is that the only thing that I've been asking for throughout this whole process is safety, both when I was part of the institution and when we left.

但這是一個相當艱難的決定，我認為，如果你撇開其他人所說的一切，以及圍繞這件事產生的所有噪音，如果你撇開這一切，我認為人們會聽到的是，在整個過程中，我一直在要求的唯一一件事就是安全，無論是在我還是機構的一部分時，還是在我們離開時。

And the important piece here, Netta, is for me and my wife, again I'm not sure how much I can say, but I can never leave the royal family.

內塔，這裡最重要的一點是，對我和我的妻子來說，我也不知道能說多少，但我永遠不能離開王室。

That is my family, that is my larger family.

這就是我的家庭，我的大家庭。

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