Name: 特朗普對哈里斯的分析：激烈辯論讓前總統為自己辯護 | WSJ (Trump vs. Harris, Analyzed: Fiery Debate Puts Former President on Defense | WSJ)
Uploaded: 2024-09-11T09:53:40.000Z
Duration: 5 min 13 s

So, let's now welcome the candidates to the stage.

現在，讓我們歡迎各位候選人上臺。

卡馬拉-哈里斯，我們來好好辯論一下。

Donald Trump has been in numerous presidential debates, but this is the first presidential debate that Kamala Harris has been in.

唐納德-特朗普曾多次參加總統辯論，但這是卡馬拉-哈里斯第一次參加總統辯論。

And I think millions of Americans were watching to see how she would perform without a teleprompter, without notes, without aides by her side. Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people.

我認為，數百萬美國人都在關注，看她在沒有提詞器、沒有筆記、沒有助手陪伴的情況下如何表演。唐納德-特朗普被8100萬人炒了魷魚。

And clearly, he is having a very difficult time processing that. Early on in the debate, Vice President Harris set a trap for Donald Trump when she brought up, out of thin air, this idea that people were leaving his rallies early because they were so bored with the things he was saying.

很顯然，他很難處理這個問題。辯論一開始，副總統哈里斯就給唐納德-特朗普設下了一個陷阱，她憑空提出了這樣一個觀點：人們提前離開他的集會，是因為他們對他說的話感到非常厭煩。

You will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter.

你會看到，在他的集會過程中，他談到了漢尼拔-萊克特等虛構人物。

He will talk about when mills cause cancer.

And what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom.

你還會注意到，人們開始因為疲憊和無聊而提前離開他的集會。

It was just something that she kind of planted there because she knows that Donald Trump cannot take any allegation about his crowd sizes and move on. "People don't leave my rallies.

這只是她在那裡埋下的伏筆，因為她知道唐納德-特朗普不可能接受任何關於他的人群規模的指控，並繼續前進。"人們不會離開我的集會。

We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics." He was a little bit more all over the place and it prevented him from attacking her on a range of issues where he might have had the upper hand, from immigration to the economy. Donald Trump probably had his most effective attack lines of the night when he was talking about the positions that Harris has changed over the course of her political career.

我們有政治史上最盛大的集會，最令人難以置信的集會"。唐納德-特朗普在談到哈里斯在整個競選過程中所改變的立場時，可能是當晚最有效的攻擊臺詞。唐納德-特朗普在談到哈里斯在其政治生涯中所改變的立場時，可能是當晚最有效的攻擊臺詞。

She gave all that stuff up very wrongly, very horribly.

她錯誤地、可怕地放棄了所有這些東西。

The fracking issue is a huge one in Pennsylvania where this debate was held because big parts of Western Pennsylvania, this accounts for a lot of jobs.

在賓夕法尼亞州，壓裂問題是個大問題，因為賓夕法尼亞州西部的大部分地區都有大量的工作崗位。

And so he was pretty effective in going right at her and saying that these are positions she's changed in the past.

是以，他很有效地直面她，說這些都是她過去改變過的立場。

And how do we know that she's not going to change her position again? During the course of the debate, conservatives were screaming that the moderators from ABC were unfair to former President Trump on a number of occasions, but not too many occasions, but quite notably several.

我們怎麼知道她不會再次改變立場呢？在辯論過程中，保守派人士大喊美國廣播公司的主持人在很多場合對前總統特朗普不公平，但不多，但有幾次很明顯。

The moderators corrected him, fact-checked him in real time. "They're eating the dogs, the people that came in.

主持人對他進行了糾正，並實時進行了事實核查。"他們在吃狗，吃進來的人。

They're eating the pets of the people that live there.

它們在吃住在那裡的人的寵物。

And this is what's happening in our country." I just want to clarify here.

這就是我們國家正在發生的事情"。我只是想在這裡澄清一下。

你提到了俄亥俄州的斯普林菲爾德。

And ABC News did reach out to the city manager there.

美國廣播公司新聞頻道（ABC News）確實聯繫到了那裡的城市管理者。

He told us there had been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or abused by individuals within the immigrant community.

他告訴我們，目前還沒有可信的報告稱寵物受到移民社區內個人的傷害、傷害或虐待。

These were statements that Trump has made repeatedly that have been fact-checked many times as not being true.

這些都是特朗普曾多次發表的言論，經過多次事實核查，這些言論並不屬實。

So they didn't kind of wade into something that was maybe more a gray area.

是以，他們並沒有涉足可能更灰色的領域。

But still, it was notable how it happened.

不過，這種情況還是值得注意。

And many conservatives, even some lawmakers, were alarmed. One other key point in the night was when both candidates were asked about what they would do to resolve the conflict in the Middle East. "We must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza, where the Palestinians have security, self-determination, and the dignity they so rightly deserve.

許多保守派人士，甚至一些立法者都對此感到震驚。當晚的另一個關鍵點是，當兩位候選人被問及他們將如何解決中東衝突時。"我們必須採取兩國解決方案，重建加沙，讓巴勒斯坦人享有安全、自決和應有的尊嚴。

I will get that settled and fast, and I'll get the war with Ukraine and Russia ended.

我會盡快解決這個問題，結束與烏克蘭和俄羅斯的戰爭。

If I'm president-elect, I'll get it done before even becoming president." This is not an easy issue, obviously, but neither of them would lay forth a plan about what they would do to have this behind them.

如果我當選總統，我會在就任總統之前就完成這項工作"。顯然，這不是一個容易解決的問題，但兩人都不願就如何解決這一問題制定計劃。

Harris talked about how she wanted to help families.

哈里斯談到了她希望如何幫助家庭。

She kept talking about this opportunity economy, which is, you know, kind of a buzz phrase that Democrats are using.

她一直在談論機會經濟，你知道，這是民主黨人正在使用的一個流行語。

But there weren't a lot of specific new policies. There was one point when former President Trump was pressed on his approach to replacing the Affordable Care Act. "I'm not president right now, but if we come up with something, I would only change it if we come up with something that's better and less expensive.

但具體的新政策並不多。有一次，前總統特朗普被問及取代《平價醫療法案》的方法。"我現在不是總統，但如果我們想出了什麼辦法，我只會在我們想出更好、更便宜的辦法時才會改變它。

And there are concepts and options we have to do that, and you'll be hearing about it in the not-too-distant future." Former President Trump brought forward a lot of the ideas that he's had in the past.

我們有一些概念和方案可以做到這一點，在不遠的將來你們就會聽到"。前總統特朗普提出了很多他過去的想法。

He wants to shut down the border between the US and Mexico.

他想關閉美國和墨西哥之間的邊境。

They are popular ideas with his base, and the fact that he's going to stick to these ideas and continue to push for them and drive them home, that is the kind of consistent message that a lot of Republicans and conservatives and independents want to hear. The debate at the end of June between Biden and Trump was a disaster for Biden and knocked him out of the race.

這些想法在他的基礎選民中很受歡迎，而事實上，他將堅持這些想法，並繼續推動這些想法的實現，這正是許多共和黨人、保守派人士和無黨派人士希望聽到的一致資訊。拜登和特朗普在六月底的辯論對拜登來說是一場災難，並使他退出了競選。

Harris could not afford to have a bad debate.

哈里斯經不起一場糟糕的辯論。

So many Americans do not know her, do not really understand what her policies are.

很多美國人都不瞭解她，不知道她的政策是什麼。

And if she kind of fumbled her way through the evening, it could have been the end of her candidacy as well.

如果她在當晚的競選過程中出現失誤，那麼她的競選生涯也可能就此結束。

So we learned that she can hold her own, that she can go toe-to-toe with former President Trump for 90 minutes.

是以，我們瞭解到，她可以獨當一面，可以與前總統特朗普針鋒相對 90 分鐘。

 Whether she did enough to win over independent voters, whether she did enough to kind of assure people in places like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, that she's the one that'll take the country where it needs to go in the future, it's unclear.

她是否足以贏得獨立選民的支持，是否足以讓賓夕法尼亞州、威斯康星州、密歇根州、佐治亞州、亞利桑那州等地的民眾相信，她將帶領這個國家走向未來，目前尚不清楚。