Name: 阿拉斯加峰會口水戰。中國對美國有什麼看法？| 報道 (Alaska summit spat: What's China's take on the US? | DW News)
Uploaded: 2021-03-20T18:40:28.000Z
Duration: 12 min 11 s

an acrimonious exchange has marked the first high level meeting between the new US administration and Chinese officials.

激烈的交流標誌著美國新政府與中國官員之間的首次高層會晤。

S Secretary of State Antony Blinken accused China of threatening global stability, while China's top diplomat, young deity accused the US of inciting countries to attack China.

斯國務卿安東尼-布林肯指責中國威脅全球穩定，而中國最高外交官幼神指責美國煽動各國攻擊中國。

The testy exchange came as Blinken and National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan met Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Ye and Young TT in Alaska and this is a glimpse of how it went today.

在布林肯和國家安全顧問傑克-沙利文（Jake Sullivan）在阿拉斯加會見中國外長王野和楊TT時，雙方進行了激烈的交流，這就是今天的一幕。

We'll have an opportunity to discuss key priorities, both domestic and global.

我們將有機會討論國內和全球的主要優先事項。

We'll also discuss our deep concerns with actions by China, including in Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Taiwan, cyber attacks on the United States on cyberattacks.

我們還將討論我們對中國的行動，包括在新疆、香港、臺灣、網絡攻擊美國的網絡攻擊的深切關注。

Let me say that whether it's the ability to launch cyber attacks or the technologies that could be deployed, the United States is the champion in this regard.

我要說的是，無論是發動網絡攻擊的能力還是可能部署的技術，美國都是這方面的冠軍。

Maybe what those quantity Secretary Blinken laid out many of the areas of concern from economic and military coercion to assaults on basic values.

也許那些數量祕書布林肯列出了許多關注的領域，從經濟和軍事脅迫到對基本價值觀的攻擊。

These are the concerns that are on the minds of the American people, but it goes beyond that.

這些都是美國人民心中的擔憂，但還不止於此。

We've heard each of these concerns from around the world.

我們已經聽到了來自世界各地的每一個關注點。

Does not represent international public opinion.

I have to tell you, what I'm hearing is very different from what you described.

我得告訴你，我聽到的和你描述的很不一樣。

I'm also hearing deep concern about some of the actions your government is taking.

我也聽到了對貴國政府的一些行為的深深擔憂。

A confident country is able to look hard at its own shortcomings and constantly seek to improve.

一個自信的國家能夠認真審視自己的不足，並不斷尋求改進。

I think we thought too well of the United States.

我想我們把美國想得太美好了。

We thought you would follow the necessary diplomatic protocols.

我們以為你會遵循必要的外交禮儀。

Does not have the qualification to say that it wants to speak to China from a position of strength.

並沒有資格說要以強勢的姿態和中國說話。

You were not even qualified to say such things 20 or 30 years back because this is not the way to deal with the Chinese people.

在二三十年前，你連說這種話的資格都沒有，因為這不是對付中國人的辦法。

If you want to deal with us properly, let's have some mutual respect and do things the right way.

如果你想好好的和我們打交道，我們就相互尊重，用正確的方式來做事。

And for more I'm joined from Beijing by government advisor and President of the think tank Center for China and Globalization Wang Wei Yao.

而更多的內容我在北京請到了政府顧問、中國與全球化智庫中心主席王偉耀。

Are you surprised by how acrimonious this first meeting between the US and China has been?

你是否對中美首次會晤的激烈程度感到驚訝？

Well, I'm actually surprised or no surprises because I think this actually, um you know the series of events.

好吧，我其實很驚訝或沒有驚喜，因為我認為這實際上，嗯，你知道一系列的事件。

Actually, uh, leading to this conference is not really that encouraging.

其實，呃，導致這次會議並不是很鼓舞人心。

For example, the US has actually started the sanctions and the Chinese government officials, but also, uh, sanctioned Chinese companies a day before the conference meetings taking place.

例如，美國實際上已經開始制裁和中國政府官員，但也，呃，制裁中國公司的會議前一天發生的會議。

So I think this is really not very, uh, a friendly gesture, you know, after all, Chinese delegates have traveled all the way to the to the territory of the United States.

所以我認為這真的不是一個非常，呃，友好的姿態，你知道，畢竟，中國代表一路走來，到了美國的領土。

They are supposed to be that, but they have really met with very open criticism and attacks.

他們應該是這樣的，但他們確實遭到了非常公開的責備和攻擊。

And then, uh so that's where I think that it's got started.

然後，呃... ...所以我認為這就是它的開始。

What does China expect from this meeting?

Well, I think the meeting from the from this very important bilateral meeting I think this is the first meeting high level meeting, face to face after by demonstration took office.

好吧，我想從這次非常重要的雙邊會議我想這是由示範上任後的第一次高級別會議，面對面的會議。

And I think what we you know, probably Chinese expecting, is that let's have a start of the dialogue and the normal discussion.

我想我們你知道的，可能中國人期待的是，讓我們有一個對話和正常討論的開始。

Let's talk to each other and then let's solve all the You know, uh, you know, whatever differences, let's know how where you coming from, how we can, you know, uh, you know, accommodate each other and then find out sick common grounds and minimize the differences.

讓我們彼此交談，然後讓我們解決所有的 你知道，呃，你知道，無論分歧，讓我們知道如何你從哪裡來，我們如何可以，你知道，呃，你知道，容納對方，然後找出生病的共同點，並儘量減少分歧。

That's what I think, what Chinese want probably now as part of minimizing their differences.

我想，這就是中國人現在想要的，可能是將分歧最小化的一部分。

I'd like to bring in what, uh, Young jt said in his statement, he said that Chinese values are the same as common values of humanity, namely peace, development, fairness, justice, freedom and democracy.

我想把，呃，Young jt在發言中說的，他說中國的價值觀與人類共同的價值觀是一致的，即和平、發展、公平、正義、自由、民主。

So I'd like to know from you How is the Hong Kong National Security Law Democratic?

所以，我想從你那裡知道香港的《國家安全法》是如何民主的？

How is the entitlement of up to a million wicker's in Xinjiang justice and how our unilateral Chinese actions in the South China Sea piece Well, I think that, you know, And I think you know, the director Young was was right.

新疆高達100萬柳條的權益如何公正，我們中國在南海片的單邊行動如何 嗯，我覺得，你知道，而且我覺得你知道，楊主任是對的。

I mean, he talked about, you know, freedom, peace and development and the democracy which I think you know.

我的意思是，他談到了，你知道，自由，和平與發展和民主，我想你知道。

We cannot expect everybody come to one form of democracy of one form of prosperity.

我們不能指望每個人都來實現一種形式的民主和一種形式的繁榮。

Hong Kong is definitely more in prosperity now, Hong Kong is more in peace and Hong Kong is more development.

香港現在肯定是繁華多了，香港是和平多了，香港是發展多了。

So it is that, uh, are you calling what's happening in Hong Kong?

所以，你是說，呃，你是說香港發生的事情嗎？

嗯，我認為這是一個 這是一個民主。

這是一個協商民主，你知道的。

Uh, you know, 1000 200 delegates and 2200 delegates were composed of, uh, they were elected by different, uh, you know, functions and jurisdiction and district.

呃，你知道，1000名代表... ...200名代表和2200名代表是由，呃，他們是由不同的，呃，你知道的，職能和管轄權和地區選舉出來的。

So it's a it's a it's a consultative democracy.

所以它是一個它是一個它是一個協商民主。

It's a different form of democracy, so but it's also a selective democracy.

這是一種不同形式的民主，所以但也是一種選擇性的民主。

I'm sorry I'm interrupting you, sir, but it's also a selective democracy, isn't it?

很抱歉打斷你，先生，但這也是一種選擇性的民主，不是嗎？

Because the people of Hong Kong, we're asking for universal suffrage, and what you have in Hong Kong is definitely not universal suffrage, something that is the basis for democracies around the world.

因為香港人要求的是普選，而你們香港的情況肯定不是普選，而普選是全世界民主制度的基礎。

I think that, you know, you have, you know, there's one man one vote to style.

我認為，你知道，你有，你知道，有一人一票的風格。

But China has this consultative democracy, and then, you know, they have, they have Basically, it's, uh they have a representative 22 from different walks of life, composed of this election committee and the Election Committee select chief executive.

但中國有這種協商民主，然後，你知道，他們有，他們有基本上，這是，呃，他們有一個代表22從不同的社會階層，組成這個選舉委員會和選舉委員會選擇行政長官。

So I think that's, uh the way that so they have a more unity as taking into the situation of the culture history, background, tradition.

所以我認為這是，呃，所以他們有一個更統一的方式，因為考慮到文化歷史，背景，傳統的情況。

So So you know, that works in Hong Kong, and that was from China.

所以，所以你知道，這在香港工作，這是來自中國。

So I mean, that's where we can expect the continuity of the prosperity and development.

所以我的意思是，這就是我們可以期待繁榮和發展的持續性。

Wang, if for a moment we view this meeting as what both countries, China and the US offer the world, The US position is essentially that it's in favor of a rules based international order.

王，如果我們姑且把這次會議看成是中美兩國為世界提供的，美國的立場基本上是，它贊成基於規則的國際秩序。

Actually, you know, China offers over over one third of global GDP growth, you know, in a normal year, actually, during a pandemic year, China offered over 50% of GDP growth.

其實，你知道，中國提供了全球GDP增長的三分之一以上，你知道，在正常年份，其實在大流行的年份，中國提供了GDP增長的50%以上。

China is the largest trading partner of 130 countries around the world.

中國是全球130個國家的最大貿易伙伴。

China has never occupied any any territory.

But you have occupied territory in the South China Sea and unilaterally at that.

但你們在南海佔領了領土，而且是單方面佔領。

And this is a point that the US has raised.

South China Sea is that, you know, historically, tradition has always been Chinese territory.

南海是，你知道，歷史上，傳統上一直是中國的領土。

If there's a dispute, China can solve that with the country in the region.

如果有爭議，中國可以和該地區的國家一起解決。

You know it doesn't have to lead us to come so far to come and, uh, and intervene.

你知道，它不一定要導致我們來這麼遠，來，呃，和干預。

And also there's no, there's no conflict.

There's no clashes, you know, basically largely peaceful.

沒有衝突，你知道，基本上基本上是和平的。

I mean, it's not like Iraq or Iran or shirt or Afghanistan.

我的意思是，它不喜歡伊拉克或伊朗或襯衫或阿富汗。

China is basically a very peaceful country.

中國基本上是一個非常和平的國家。

If China is such a peaceful country, why did the Philippines go to the international court and bring an order which had the Chinese actions in South China Sea are illegal?

如果中國是這樣一個和平的國家，菲律賓為什麼要到國際法庭上提出中國在南海的行動是非法的命令？

Of course you can do that, but China has its own right.

當然可以這樣做，但中國有自己的權利。

他們可以，呃，他們可以討論。