WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW."

歡迎回到 "深夜秀"。

JOINING ME NOW IS THE CO-CHAIR OF THE BILL AND MELINDA GATES

現在和我一起的是比爾和梅林達-蓋茨基金會的主席。

FOUNDATION WHO'S WRITTEN A NEW BOOK CALLED "HOW TO AVOID A

基金會的人寫了一本新書，叫做《如何避開一個人》。

CLIMATE DISASTER."

氣候災害。"

PLEASE WELCOME, BILL GATES!

歡迎你，比爾-蓋茨！

BIGOT, THANKS FOR BEING HERE!

BIGOT，謝謝你來這裡！

>> YOU GOT IT!

>> 你得到了它！

>> Stephen: NOW, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO CLIMATE AND HOW TO

>> 現在，我們要開始討論氣候問題和如何解決。

AVOID THE AT THIS SISTER AND ALL THE AMAZING THINGS B THAT YOU

避免在這個妹妹和所有的驚人的事情B，你。

AND MELINDA DO AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS, BUT THE REASON

和MELINDA做的，謝謝你所有的努力，但原因是，

YOU CAN DO ALL THOSE THINGS IS THAT YOU'RE REALLY, REALLY,

你能做到所有這些事情是你真的，真的。

REALLY RICH.

真正的富人。

AND, SO, I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION THAT I'VE INTERVIEWED

所以，我想問你一個問題，我已經採訪過了。

YOU MANY TIMES BUT I'VE NEVER ASKED YOU THE QUESTION AND IT'S

但我從來沒有問過你這個問題，而且它是

ALWAYS BEEN IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD AND EVERYBODY'S HEAD, WHAT

一直在我的腦海裡，每個人的腦海裡，什麼？

DOES IT FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU BECOME THE RICHEST MAN IN THE

當你成為世界上最富有的人時，你的感覺是什麼？

WORLD?

世界？

IS THAT A GOOD FEELING?

那是一種好的感覺嗎？

>> WELL, THERE'S A RESPONSIBILITY TO GIVE THAT

>> 好吧，有一個責任，給那

MONEY BACK IN A SMART WAY.

聰明的方式回籠資金。

>> Stephen: NOT EVERYBODY FEELS THAT RESPONSIBILITY,

>> 斯蒂芬：不是每個人都能感受到這種責任。

THOUGH.

認為。

SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY, GIVE ME MORE.

有人說錢不夠，給我更多的錢。

WELL, IT WAS GRATIFYING THE DREAM OF SOFTWARE THAT I HAD

好吧，它是令人欣慰的軟件的夢想，我有。

BASICALLY CAME TRUE, AND NOW I GET TO GIVE IT AWAY.

基本上成真了，現在我得把它送出去。

>> Stephen: DO YOU HAVE A 400-FOOT RACING BOAT THAT HOVERS

>> 史蒂芬: 你有400英尺長的賽車船嗎？

ON LITTLE SKIS AND GOES AROUND THE WORLD, LIKE SUPER CRAZY RICH

在小滑雪板上，去環遊世界，就像超級瘋狂的富人。

GUY STUFF?

小夥子的東西？

>> I OWN A Da VINCI NOTEBOOK, WHICH THAT'S PRETTY COOL.

>> 我有一本達文西筆記本，這真是太酷了。

>> Stephen: DING, DING, DING, DING, DING!

>> 史蒂芬：叮，叮，叮，叮，叮，叮!

THE JUDGES!

法官！

YES, YES!

是的，是的！

LAST QUESTION ON THIS AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE GOOD STUFF.

最後一個問題，我們將轉移到好東西。

IN 2008, WHEN YOU WERE NO LONGER THE RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD,

2008年，當你不再是世界上最富有的人，

WHEN WARREN BUFFETT SNAKED IT AWAY FROM YOU, DID IT STING AT

當WARREN BUFFETT把它從你身邊偷走的時候，你會不會覺得很痛？

ALL?

全部？

>> OH, NO, WARREN'S ALSO A HUGE CONTRIBUTOR TO THE GIVING OF THE

>> 哦，不，沃倫也是一個巨大的貢獻者 給予的。

GATES FOUNDATION AND A VERY GOOD FRIEND OF MINE.

蓋茨基金會和我的一個好朋友。

>> Stephen: OKAY, OKAY.

>> 史蒂芬：好的，好的。

O -- >> Stephen: BUT YOU GOT IT

O -->> 史蒂芬：但你得到了它。

BACK IN 2009.

早在2009年。

YOU WERE THE RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD AGAIN.

你又成了世界上最富有的人。

AND THE THE NEXT YEAR CARLOS SLIM COMES IN.

而第二年卡洛斯-斯利姆來了。

DON'T TELL ME I'M BIG BUDDIES WITH CARLOS SLIM.

別告訴我我和卡洛斯-斯利姆是好朋友。

THAT HAD TO STING A LITTLE BIT.

這不得不刺痛一點點。

YOU'RE A COMPETITIVE GUY.

你是一個有競爭力的傢伙。

>> YOU KNOW, THE REASON I SHOULD DROP ON THE LIST CONTINUOUSLY

>> 你知道，我為什麼要不斷地滴在名單上嗎？

BECAUSE OF GIVING MONEY AWAY AND, YOU KNOW, SOME DAY I WON'T

因為把錢送出去了，而且，你知道，有一天我不會再送了。

BE ON THE LIST AT ALL.

是在名單上所有。

>> Stephen: ALL RIGHT.

>> 史蒂芬：好的。

ALL RIGHT.

好吧。

WHAT DO YOU SAY?

你說什麼？

I CAN HELP YOU WITH GIVING THAT MONEY STUFF AWAY.

我可以幫你把錢送出去。

I'M RIGHT HERE, AND I'M SUPER GOOD, GENEROUS GUY, TOO.

我就在這裡，我是超級好的，善良的傢伙，太。

THINK OF ME AS A FUNNEL, A FUNNEL!

把我當做是一個漏斗，一個漏斗!

DADDY JUST TAKES A LITTLE OFF THE TOP, GETS HIS BEAK WET, AND

爸爸只是採取了一點點的頂部，讓他的BEAK溼潤，並。

ALL THE PEOPLE I'LL HELP, YOU WILL LOVE IT.

我會幫助所有的人，你會喜歡它。

THIS IS THE SECOND TIME YOU AND I HAVE SPOKEN DURING COVID.

這是你和我第二次在會議期間發言了。

WHICH I CAN'T BELIEVE.

我不能相信。

EITHER YOU AND I TALK A LOT OR COVID HAS GONE ON A LONG TIME,

無論是你和我談了很多或COVID已經走了很長一段時間。

AND I THINK IT'S THE SECOND ONE.

我想這是第二張。

YOU SAID BACK THEN THAT BASICALLY THIS IS GOING TO BE --

你當時說，基本上這將是 -

THE TIMELINE IS ALL GOING TO BE BASED ON DEVELOPMENT AND

時間表將根據發展情況而定。

DISTRIBUTION OF VACCINES.

疫苗的分發；

WE'VE GOT THEM NOW.

我們已經得到了他們。

WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR GOING BACK TO NORMAL, IF YOUR MIND?

如果你願意，恢復正常的時間表是什麼？

>> WELL, IT'S REALLY PHENOMENAL WHAT THE VACCINE COMPANIES HAVE

>> 好吧，這真是太神奇了，疫苗公司都做了些什麼？

DONE, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL SUPPLY LIMITED, THE LOGISTICS

完成了，你知道，我們仍然是供應有限公司，邏輯學

ARE STILL GETTING WORKED UP, BUT CERTAINLY BY SUMMER WE WILL BE

我們還在努力，但肯定到了夏天我們就會。

DEMAND LIMITED AND WE SHOULD GET TRUST THE VACCINE, WE'LL GET TO

需求有限，我們應該得到信任的疫苗，我們會得到的。

A LEVEL WHERE OUR FALL WILL BE PRETTY NORMAL.

我們的落差將是相當正常的水準。

MAYBE SOME MASKS, MAYBE NOT BIG PUBLIC EVENTS, BUT ALL THE

也許是一些面具，也許不是大的公共事件，但所有的人都會有。

SCHOOLS, RESTAURANTS AT SOME LEVEL, FALL WILL BE

學校、餐廳在一定程度上，秋季將是一個很好的選擇。

COMPARATIVELY NORMAL.

比較正常。

>> Stephen: HALLOWEEN PARTIES?

>> Stephen: HALLOWEEN PARTIES?

THAT'S ON THE MARGIN.

這是在邊緣。

IF YOU LIKE, SOCIAL DISTANCING STILL AT THAT POINT.

如果你喜歡，社會距離還在那個點上。

>> Stephen: YOU SAID THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH INFRASTRUCTURE,

>> 斯蒂芬：你說基礎設施有問題。

GETTING THE SUPPLY CHAIN GOING, CERTAINLY THERE WERE WEATHER

讓供應鏈運轉起來，當然有天氣因素

PROBLEMS LAST WEEK, WITH THE BIG BLIZZARDS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE

上週的問題，與中間的大燈泡。

COUNTRY GETTING IT OUT TO PEOPLE, AND, ALSO, ANTI-VAXXERS,

國家得到它的人，而且，anti-VAXXERS。

PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING -- A GUY LITERALLY BUTTON HOLED ME IN THE

人們誰是說 - 一個傢伙真的按紐在我身上，

PARKING LOT OF MY GROCERY STORE THE OTHER DAY AND SAID I'VE GOT

那天我把車停在我的雜貨店門口，說我已經得到了。

TO SEND YOU DOCUMENTARIES ABOUT BILL GATES, DON'T TAKE THOSE

寄給你關於比爾-蓋茨的文件，不要拿這些文件。

VACCINES.

疫苗：

I SAID, I'M GOING TO TAKE THE VACCINE.

我說，我要去打疫苗。

IF HE PUTS A CHIP IN ME AND CONTROLS MY BODY, THAT'S FINE, I

如果他在我體內植入芯片，控制我的身體，那很好，我...

JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO HUG MY INLAWS.

我只想能夠擁抱我的姻親。

SO WHAT CAN BE DONE TO CONVINCE PEOPLE, IN YOUR MIND, THAT THE

那麼，怎樣才能讓人們相信，在你的心目中。

VACCINE IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND DOES IT INVOLVE AT ALL

疫苗是正確的做法，它是否涉及所有。

TALKING TO SULTANS, WHICH YOU DID IN SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA TO GET

與蘇丹人交談，你在撒哈拉以南的非洲做了什麼？

PEOPLE TO TAKE THE POLIO VACCINE.

人們採取的POLIO疫苗。

>> THE RUMORS WERE THAT WAS TO STERILE ITS WOMEN.

>> 謠言是為了禁慾的婦女。

THE RULER MET WITH ME, IT WAS QUITE SOMETHING TO GO TO HIS

統治者與我見面，它是相當的東西去他的。

PALACE, BUT HE PERSONALLY HAD HIS KIDS TAKE THE VACCINE, AND

PALACE，但他個人有他的孩子們採取的疫苗，和。

HAD ALL OF THE OTHER RELIGIOUS LEADERS, AND, SO, THAT MADE A

有所有的其他宗教領袖， 所以，這使得一個。

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

巨大的差異。

AND, SO, WE WERE ABLE TO ANNOUNCE THAT, WHILE POLIO WAS

所以，我們可以宣佈，當政治家還在的時候...

COMPLETELY GONE FROM AFRICA LAST YEAR, WE'RE DOWN TO TWO

去年從非洲徹底消失了，我們只剩下兩個人了。

COUNTRIES, AND GETTING THESE MESSAGES OUT, YOU NEED TO FIGURE

國家，並得到這些消息了，你需要找出。

OUT WHO PEOPLE TRUST, THAT THEY'LL FOLLOW, YOU KNOW, AND

找出人們信任的人，他們會跟隨的人，你知道的，而且。

WHETHER IT'S PEOPLE OF COLOR OR VARIOUS RELIGIOUS GROUPS.

不管是有色人種還是各種宗教團體，

WE SOMEHOW NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT, THIS IS QUITE AN AMAZING

我們總得把話說出去，這真是個了不起的。

VACCINE THAT HELPS EVERYONE.

疫苗，幫助大家。

>> Stephen: YOU WANT A TEAM OF PANDEMIC FIREFIGHTERS IN THE

>> 史蒂芬: 你想要一隊潘德米克消防員在這裡。

FUTURE.

FUTURE：

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?

你這是什麼意思？

>> WELL, WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HITS YOU NEED PEOPLE WHOSE

>> 當這樣的事情發生的時候，你需要的人是誰的

SKILLS OF TRACKING INFECTIOUS DISEASE AND THE VARIANTS AND THE

追蹤傳染病的技能和變種以及對傳染病的影響

NUMBERS THAT THEY ARE TOTALLY UP TO DATE AND READY TO GO.

數字，他們是完全最新的，並準備去。

AND, SO, IF WE HAVE THIS SORT OF FIRE SQUAD OF 3,000 PEOPLE WITH

所以，如果我們有這樣的消防隊3000人與

THOSE SKILLS, THEY CAN BE WORKING ON MALARIA OR MEASLES,

這些技能，他們可以在MALARIA或測量儀上工作。

BUT THEN WHEN ANY HINT OF THE PANDEMIC COMES, THEY'LL GO AND

但一旦有一丁點潘德米克的跡象，他們就會去和

SPECIALIZE AND REALLY TRY AND STOP IT BEFORE IT GETS

專注和真正的嘗試，並在它發生之前停止它。

WIDESPREAD.

廣泛傳播。

UNLESS YOU HAVE THOSE PEOPLE READY TO GO AND FULLY UP TO DATE

除非你有這些人準備好了，並且完全更新了。

ON THEIR SKILLS, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO CATCH IT EARLY.

在他們的技能上，你將無法儘早抓住它。

>> Stephen: WELL, DURING THIS QUARANTINE, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE

>> 斯蒂芬: 好吧，在這段時間裡，很多人已經

TAKEN UP SOME SIDE PROJECTS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, BAKING OR DOING

採取了一些副業，比如，你知道，烘焙或做

CROSSWORD PUZZLES.

CROSSWORD PUZZLES。

YOU DID A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ONE.

你做了一個稍微不同的。

YOU WROTE THIS BOOK, HOW TO AVOID A CLIMATE CRISIS.

你寫了這本書，如何避免氣候危機。

HOW DO WE AVOID IT, WHEN THE "NEW YORK TIMES" IS ALREADY

我們如何避免它，當 "紐約時報 "是已經。

REPORTING THAT CLIMATE DISRUPTION IS ALREADY BAKED IN

報告說，氣候混亂已經被烤熟了

TO OUR FUTURE?

我們的未來？

>> WELL, WHAT WE DO AS FAST AS WE CAN, WE TAKE OUR CURRENT

>> 好吧，我們做什麼儘快，我們採取我們目前的。

EMISSIONS, WHICH IS 51 BILLION TONS, TO EQUIVALENTS

排放物，即510億噸，對等量的排放。

AND DROP IT ALL THE WAY TO ZERO.

然後把它全部降到零。

NOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY HARD.

現在，這將是非常，非常困難的。

IT WILL TAKE AT LEAST ALL 30 YEARS, WE'LL HAVE TO USE ALL OF

這至少需要30年的時間，我們將不得不使用所有的。

THOSE YEARS, AND THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A LOT OF INNOVATION.

這幾年，一定會有很多創新。

SO WE HAVE TO LEARN, OKAY, ALL THE SOURCES OF EMISSIONS, NOT

是以，我們必須學習，好吧，所有的排放源，而不是。

JUST CARS, BUT ALSO MAKING THINGS LIKE STEEL AND COMMENT

只是汽車，但也製造像鋼鐵一樣的東西和評論。

AND AGRICULTURE, AVIATION FUEL.

和農業、航空燃料。

BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE SOURCES, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A BROAD

因為所有這些來源，它需要一個廣泛的。

SET OF INNOVATIVE COMPANIES AND POLICIES WHERE WE'RE BUYING

我們正在購買的創新公司和政策的集合。

THESE GREEN PRODUCTS AND GETTING THE COST TO BE MUCH LOWER FOR

這些綠色產品，使成本更低，讓你的生活更美好。

BEING GREEN.

綠色環保：

>> Stephen: THESE CHALLENGES ARE ENORMOUS, AND CERTAINLY IN

>> 斯蒂芬：這些挑戰是巨大的，而且肯定是有的。

THE UNITED STATES THE MOST BOLD PROPOSAL IS THE GREEN NEW DEAL,

美國最大膽的提議是綠色新政。

THOUGH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ALSO HAS SOMS PROPOSALS THEY

儘管招標委員會行政部門也有一些建議，但他們

HAVEN'T ROLLED OUT YET, BUT THEY CLAIM TO BE SWINGING FROM THE

還沒有推出來，但他們聲稱是搖擺的，從

FENCES.

圍欄：

WHO'S DOING A GOOD JOB IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW AT THIS?

現在世界上誰在做一件好事？

WHO'S WORKING THE HARDEST TO PREVENT IT?

誰在最努力地預防它？

>> WELL, THE U.K. IS VERY IMPRESSIVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE

>> 好吧，英國是非常令人印象深刻的，因為他們有。

ALMOST NO COAL PLANTS LEFT, AND THEY WERE THE START OF THE COAL

幾乎沒有煤廠離開，他們是煤炭的開始。

BASED INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION.

以工業革命為基礎。

THEY ARE GETTING THE OFFSHORE WIND TO COST A LOT LESS.

他們正在獲取離岸風的成本更低。

NORWAY BUYS THE MOST ELECTRIC CARS.

挪威買了最多的電動汽車。

SO THERE'S A LOT OF LEADERS, BUT THE U.S. IS THE MOST IMPORTANT

所以有很多領導人，但美國是最重要的。

BECAUSE WE CAN INNOVATE.

因為我們可以創新。

WE HAVE UNIVERSITIES, NATIONAL LABS, RISK CAPITOL.

我們有大學，國家法律，風險資本。

WE LOOK TO THE WORLD TO MAKE ALL THESE GREEN PRODUCTS VERY CHEAP,

我們向世界尋求使所有這些綠色產品變得非常便宜。

AND THAT WILL GIVE US A CHANCE TO EXPORT THOSE PRODUCTS AS

這將使我們有機會將這些產品出口到美國。

WELL.

好吧。

>> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK, BUT WHEN WE COME

>> 我們必須快速休息一下，但是當我們回來的時候。

BACK, I'LL ASK BILL GATES ABOUT THIS GUY.

回頭，我去問比爾・蓋茨關於這傢伙的事。

STICK AROUND.

堅持下去。