E was speaking to my agent about what I would like to do as a feature directorial debut.

E是跟我的經紀人說，我想做的是長篇導演處女作。

I've been working on television for ah, while now, he asked me.

我在電視臺工作了啊，有一段時間了，他問我。

Well, what are the type of stories you'd love to tell?

那麼，你喜歡講什麼類型的故事呢？

And I said that one of the things I think would be great is just like a love story with a black couple Azaz, the heroes with a historic backdrop like a event that's happened that we all know, you know, like the Titanic or something like that.

我說，我認為最棒的事情之一是，就像一個愛情故事，有一對黑人夫婦，阿扎茲，英雄們有一個歷史性的背景，就像一個我們都知道的事件，你知道，像泰坦尼克號或類似的東西。

And so he brings this to me.

所以他把這個給我。

And while it wasn't the conventional you know, love story, I do feel like it definitely spoke to what it was that I wanted to do.

雖然這不是傳統的你知道的愛情故事，我確實覺得它絕對能表達出我想做的事情。

Look at this view, E bet they're doing it for me.

看這景色，E打賭他們是為了我。

Yeah, it's not.

是的，它不是。

It's ain't about its most definitely soothing cast.

這不是關於它的最絕對舒緩的演員。

And then reading it, Kemp powers his his words, his the dialogue.

然後閱讀它，坎普權力他的文字，他的對話。

Just punch me in the gut and then it's an actor's piece, and I'm an actor and I will always love the art form of acting.

只要給我打一拳，然後就是演員的作品，我是一個演員，我永遠熱愛表演這種藝術形式。

And I felt like, you know, four of the right actors could just have a meal and and feel like they get thio exercise all of those things that they've worked on to become the actor that they are in that moment, what is going on between the nation and me.

我覺得，你知道，四個合適的演員可以只吃一頓飯，並覺得他們得到thio鍛鍊所有這些東西，他們已經努力成為演員，他們在那一刻，國家和我之間發生了什麼。

But you still obey them when they tell you to come out here and recruit cash is to become a member.

但是他們讓你出來招收現金就是成為會員，你還是要服從他們。

You don't even see caches do anything.

你甚至沒有看到緩存做什麼。

He came to me for insight.

他來找我是想了解情況。

He had questions.

他有問題。

His passion for Islam comes from a pure place, Sam.

他對伊斯蘭教的熱情來自一個純粹的地方，薩姆。

Passion is Yeah, kind of a strong word.

激情是啊，是個很強烈的詞。

Yeah, throughout this process, what I learned about all of these men is that I myself looked at them as deities.

是的，在整個過程中，我對這些人的瞭解是，我自己把他們看成了神靈。

I am also guilty of forgetting to look at them as men first.

我也是忘了先把他們看成男人。

It's humans first, and we we all kind of do that when it comes to these four especially.

這是人的第一，我們我們都有點這樣做的時候，特別是在這四個方面。

Yeah, Bacchus.

是啊，巴克斯。

Fast.

迅速。

Is that good?

這樣好嗎？

Thank goodness you're safe, right?

謝天謝地你安全了，對吧？

Really?

真的嗎？

Black man.

黑人。

Where the girls now put them to bed.

在那裡，女孩們現在把他們放在床上。

Oh, I promised I'd be here in time to tuck them in.

哦，我答應過會及時來給他們掖被子的。

I'm really sorry.

我真的很抱歉。

So that was something that I learned.

所以這是我學到的東西。

And in that moment, I realized, Wow, what a huge amount of pressure that puts on a person day in and day out and how they were able to navigate with all of that.

在那一刻，我意識到，哇，一個人日復一日地承受著多麼巨大的壓力，他們是如何能夠駕馭這一切的。

Um, pressure, all of those expectations put on them.

嗯，壓力，所有這些期望放在他們身上。

I guess I became really sensitive to that and truly realized how important the nuanced moments, uh, were in this film the moment where no words are being spoken.

我想我對這一點變得非常敏感，並真正意識到，在這部電影中，那些細微的時刻，呃，是多麼的重要，那是無話可說的時刻。

There's, ah, decision that I made to, uh, take Jim out of the room and have him go into the bathroom and have a moment on his own.

有，啊，決定，我做了，呃，把吉姆走出房間 並讓他進入浴室 並有一個時刻對他自己。

And that came out of that discovery.

而這一切都源於這個發現。

Cash is who Those English boys you were hanging out with a couple days ago.

卡什就是前幾天和你一起玩的那些英國男孩。

Needles?

針頭？

Yes, of the Yale's All that time you spent on the road, Sam entertaining the Children off bigots.

是的，耶魯大學的，你在路上花了那麼多時間，薩姆娛樂孩子們，讓他們遠離偏執。

And at the end of the day, white folks is still rather import their popular music.

而到了最後，白人還是相當進口他們的流行音樂。

Ah, lot of that came from just having a great quartet of actors where they truly understood, um that they were brothers.

啊，很多是來自於有一個偉大的四重奏演員，他們真正理解，嗯，他們是兄弟。

A radio.

一個收音機。

That's right.

是的

A picture of most of us do have that person that you can bump heads with.

一張圖，我們大多數人確實有那麼一個人，可以和你撞個滿懷。

When you do, you're always better for it because you end up appreciating a different perspective or adopting a bit of a different perspective and using that as you move forward.

當你這樣做的時候，你總是更好，因為你最終會欣賞不同的觀點或採用一點不同的觀點，並在你前進的過程中使用它。

So they really understood that Theo performances air so fantastic and the dialogue is the star of the film.

所以他們真的明白，西奧的表演氣質如此美妙，而對白才是影片的明星。

I've definitely went into this feeling like the dialogue is the star, and that never was something that I veered away from.

我肯定進入過這種感覺，覺得對話是明星，這一點我從來沒有偏離過。

Leslie says that he was intimidated, but that wasn't my interpretation of.

萊斯利說他被嚇到了 但這不是我的理解。

Of of his excitement, Thio portray Sam, especially with Eli and Kingsley.

他的興奮中，蒂奧描繪了山姆，特別是與伊萊和金斯利。

They were playing two men that we've seen played quite often that didn't color their decision or there, uh, feeling that they could play these men in this moment.

他們在打兩個我們經常看到打過的人，並沒有影響他們的決定，或者說有，呃，感覺他們可以在這個時刻打這些人。

And while all of these men were playing actual men that existed, they found something within those men that they shared.

而當這些人都在扮演真實存在的男人時，他們在這些男人身上找到了他們共同的東西。

His actors, When we're going into, especially something big, were always feeling just vulnerable, like we're naked, like we're the only one here like all of you are looking at us and then we get over that and we get into it.

他的演員，當我們要進入，尤其是一些大的東西，總是感覺只是脆弱的，就像我們是赤裸裸的，就像我們是唯一一個在這裡，就像所有的人都在看著我們，然後我們克服了這一點，我們進入了它。

I just wonder if all this pushing and hard line this and hard line that is really about trying to prove something the white people or Malcolm is about trying to prove something.

我只是想知道，所有這些推波助瀾和強硬路線這個和強硬路線，是否真的是想證明什麼白人或馬爾科姆是想證明什麼。

Black people.

黑人。

Uh, well, that's Ah, very interesting way of looking at things exposed.

呃，好吧，那是啊，非常有趣的方式看事情暴露。

Wow.

哇哦

Just something I noticed is all, uh, as a black woman.

只是我注意到的是所有，呃，作為一個黑人女性。

Um, I know that I haven't seen, um, as many stories helmed by us or written by us A swell.

嗯，我知道，我還沒有看到，嗯，很多故事由我們掌舵或由我們寫A膨脹。

There is something very special about infusing your own experiences into a story.

將自己的經歷注入到故事中，是一件非常特別的事情。

That's what makes it unique.

這就是它的獨特之處。

Fresh, And it makes it have ah, true perspective.

新鮮，而且它使它有啊，真實的視角。

You know, we have so many labels on ourselves, you know, I sit here is a black woman, and I'm much different than the black woman that may be sitting to my left or to my right.

你知道，我們有這麼多的標籤在自己身上，你知道，我坐在這裡是一個黑人婦女，我比黑人婦女有很大的不同，可能是坐在我的左邊或右邊。

But I also know that the success that I have in, uh, telling a story creates more opportunity to the for the black woman to my left and or to my right to tell a story.

但我也知道，我在講故事方面取得的成功，為我左邊或右邊的黑人女性創造了更多講故事的機會。

What I love about being behind the camera is that I'm able to be involved in the storytelling process in a much deeper way in a much more involved away.

我喜歡在鏡頭後面的原因是，我能夠以一種更深入的方式參與到講故事的過程中去。

I love working with people, and as a director I'm able to work with all of the people as an actor, you pretty much only working with your co stars or the director.

我喜歡和人合作，作為一個導演，我可以和所有的人合作，作為一個演員，你幾乎只和你的合作明星或者導演合作。

But beyond that, you don't get the opportunity to work with the production designer and the D P.

但除此之外，你沒有機會與製作設計師和D P合作。

Every department.

每個部門。

I mean, even the you know, just the conversations that I've had with our construction department that I've never had a zoo actor or never even thought to go and just check out what they're doing in the sawmill.

我的意思是，即使是你知道的，只是對話 我已經與我們的建設部門 我從來沒有一個動物園的演員 或者從來沒有想過要去，只是檢查 他們在鋸木廠做什麼。

You know the opportunity to be involved in a way where you get to share your ideas with a list of department heads, and then they take those ideas and then they go do their research and then they come back and share what ideas were birth from Your idea.

你知道有機會以一種方式參與其中，在那裡你可以與部門主管的名單分享你的想法，然後他們把這些想法，然後他們去做他們的研究，然後他們回來分享什麼想法是從你的想法誕生的。

It's galvanizing.

這是鍍鋅的。

ITT's pretty awesome because I'm an actor.

ITT很厲害，因為我是個演員。

I have so much respect and understanding for the journey that an actor has to go on to get to a certain emotion.

我非常尊重和理解一個演員要達到某種情感所要經歷的歷程。

Thio get to ah, place where they feel where we feel comfortable enough to express.

Thio得到啊，他們覺得的地方，我們覺得舒適的地方，足以表達。

The difficult thing is quickly getting to know your actor in understanding the best style of communication for that actor.

困難的是迅速瞭解你的演員，在瞭解該演員的最佳溝通方式。

The thing that they have in common is that they're all great and that there are black men.

他們的共同點是，他們都很厲害，還有黑人。

But they all have had different experiences growing up, different journeys, different trajectories that have led them to this moment.

但他們都有不同的成長經歷，不同的歷程，不同的軌跡，讓他們走到了這一刻。

And being sensitive to that is very important.

而對這一點的敏感是非常重要的。

In my opinion, Sometimes I feel like you just like all the rest of them people out there obsessed with the star.

在我看來，有時候我覺得你就像他們這些人一樣，在外面迷戀明星。

No, no, no.

不，不，不。

Around which one of us don't belong Don't belong.

圍繞著我們中的哪一個不屬於我們的不屬於。

Don't belong, Brother Sam, The only person here white people seem to like that would be you.

不屬於你，三哥，這裡的白人似乎只喜歡你一個人。

You all need to cool it.

你們都需要冷卻一下。

You know, you always managed to just be around for shit, haven't you?

你知道，你總是設法只是在周圍的狗屎，不是嗎？

Maybe your daddy should have beaten you better.

也許你爸爸應該把你打得更好。

I'm gonna kick that one of the beautiful things that is.

我要去踢那一個美麗的東西，是。

Ah, great.

啊，太好了。

Take away Is that especially young men will watch this and understand how you can debate with love, how you can constructively and honestly debate with respect.

帶走的是，特別是年輕的男人會看這個，明白如何用愛來辯論，如何用尊重來建設性地、誠實地辯論。

I just don't think you should be grudge, Sam, for being about his business.

我只是覺得你不應該因為他的事情而怨恨，山姆。

He's got to be I mean, If the goal is for us to be free to really be free, then you know it is, then the key is economic freedom, and no one's more economically free than Sam Shit.

他必須要... ...我的意思是，如果目標是讓我們自由... ...真正的自由，那麼你知道它是，那麼關鍵是經濟自由， 沒有人比山姆狗屎更經濟自由。

Technically, he's the only one of us not waiting on a paycheck from a white man.

從技術上講，他是我們中唯一一個不等著白人發工資的人。

I'm not waiting on No, Paige, you don't have a job.

我不等了 不，佩奇，你沒有工作。

Negro.

黑人。

What shit?

什麼狗屁？

In the literal sense E.

從字面意思看E．

I believe that if you go into making a film and you're tryingto make a film for everyone in the whole world, that's the easiest way to fail.

我相信，如果你去製作一部電影，並試圖為全世界的人制作一部電影，那是最容易失敗的方式。

Think you need to kind of figure out who your audience is?

你覺得你需要有點弄清楚你的閱聽人是誰？

I feel like this is a love letter to black men.

我覺得這是一封寫給黑人男人的情書。

I do.

我是這麼想的

It's so honest.

它是如此誠實。

It's so raw.

它是如此的生硬。

It's so quiet and it's so loud.

它是如此安靜，又是如此響亮。

It's all of those things.

這就是所有這些事情。

And you realize how while this story is from the perspective of these four black man, there are so many things in this story that does transcend a color.

你會意識到，雖然這個故事是從這四個黑人的角度出發的，但這個故事裡有很多東西確實超越了一種膚色。

If myself now was able to have a conversation with my younger self, I would say girl, you are okay because you have no idea what the hell is going on and That's exactly where you're supposed to be, and I'm just kind of figuring it out of 50.

如果現在的自己能夠和年輕時的自己對話，我會說姑娘，你還好，因為你不知道到底發生了什麼，而這正是你應該做的，我只是一種50歲的摸索。

E thing is what it's like working on a studio.

E事是在工作室工作的感覺。