MY NEXT GUEST IS A JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR.

我的下一位客人是一位記者和作家。

HIS LATEST BOOK IS A BIOGRAPHY ENTITLED "MIKE NICHOLS: A LIFE."

他最新的書是一本題為 "MIKE NICHOLS: A LIFE "的傳記。

PLEASE WELCOME TO "A LATE SHOW," MARK HARRIS!

歡迎來到 "晚間秀"，馬克-哈里斯！

MARK, THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

馬克，謝謝你來這裡。

>> THANKS SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

>> 謝謝你邀請我。

>> Stephen: NICHOLS IS A MONUMENTAL CULTURAL FIGURE OF

>> 斯蒂芬: 尼科爾斯是一個紀念碑式的文化人物。

THE LAST 60 YEARS.

過去60年。

I GOT TO MEET HIM ONCE.

我一定要見他一次。

I WAS SAYING HELLO TO MERYL STREEP AT THE KENNEDY CENTER,

我在肯尼迪中心和梅里爾-史翠普打招呼呢。

AND SHE SAID, "OH, MIKE WANTS TO MEET YOU."

她說，"哦，邁克想見見你"

WHEN I FOUND OUT MIKE WANTED TO MEET ME, I COULDN'T HEAR

當我發現MIKE要見我的時候，我聽不進去了

ANYTHING HE SAID TO ME.

他對我說的任何話。

I WISH SOMEBODY COULD TRANSCRIBE WHAT HE SAID.

我希望有人能轉述他說的話。

I KEPT SAYING, "IT'S MIKE NICHOLS.

我一直在說，"這是邁克・尼克爾斯。

IT'S MIKE NICHOLS.

這是邁克-尼科爾斯。

REMEMBER WHAT HE'S SAYING."

記住他說的話。"

FOR THOSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT AN ENORMOUS FIGURE HE WAS, HOW

對於那些不熟悉他是一個多麼了不起的人物的人來說，他是如何

DO YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION, "WHO WAS MIKE NICHOLS?"

你是否回答了 "誰是邁克-尼科爾斯 "這個問題？

>> I WOULD SAY YOU TAKE THE GUY WHO HAD A 50-YEAR CAREER AS A

>> 我想說，你把那個有50年職業生涯的人當做一個。

MOVIE DIRECTOR MAKING FILMS THAT RANGED FROM "THE GRADUATE," AND

電影導演製作的電影，從 "畢業生"，和。

"WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOLF?," TO "SILKWOOD" AND

"誰怕弗吉尼亞州的狼？"到 "銀木"，再到... ...

IMAGINE HE HAD A PARALLEL 50-YEAR CAREER AS THIS

想象一下，他有一個平行的50年的職業生涯，因為這個。

GROUNDBREAKING STAGE DIRECTOR WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR

突破性的舞臺導演是誰？

EVERYTHING FROM "THE ODD COUPLE" TO "SPAMMALOT," AND CONSIDER

從 "奇葩說 "到 "SPAMMALOT"，並考慮到

BOTH OF THOSE YEARS WERE PRECEDED BY A REALLY BIG-DEAL

這兩年都是在一場大買賣之後才開始的

CAREER AS A PERFORMING ARTIST THAT KIND OF CHANGED THE NATURE

作為一個表演藝術家的職業生涯，有點改變了性質。

OF IMPROV COMEDY.

的改進喜劇。

SO YOU ADD THAT UP AND YOU GET A REALLY UNIQUE FIGURE.

所以你把這些加起來，你就得到了一個非常獨特的人物。

>> Stephen: AND REALLY HELPED-- HE WAS ONE OF THE

>> 史蒂芬: 他真的幫助了 -- 他是其中的一員。

FIGURES THAT HELPED DEFINE WHAT IMPROV COMEDY WOULD BE AS, YOU

有助於確定什麼是改進的喜劇的圖，你。

KNOW, AS SOMEONE WHO WORKED WITH THE EARLY EDITIONS OF THE

作為一個曾在《聯合國紀事》早期版本中工作過的人，我知道。

"SECOND CITY," THE COMPASS PLAYERS, IN THE EARLY "SECOND

"第二城市"，羅盤選手，在早期的 "第二城市"。

CITY," ALONG WITH ELAINE MAY.

城市"，以及艾琳-梅。

I HAVE ONE OF THEIR EARLY ALBUMS FROM THEIR BROADWAY SHOW.

我有一張他們百老匯演出的早期專輯。

EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE HOW THIS CHANGED COMEDY.

向人們解釋一下這如何改變了喜劇。

>> I THINK THAT THAT SHOW, WHICH WAS THE CULMINATION OF A SIX, OR

>> 我想，那場演出，是對六個人的培養，或者說是對一個人的培養。

SEVEN, OR EIGHT-YEAR PARTNERSHIP WAS KIND OF THE "HAMILTON" OF

七年或八年的合作關係是一種 "漢密爾頓 "的 "漢密爾頓"。

ITS MOMENT.

它的時刻。

IT WAS JUST THE TWO OF THEM ON STAGE EVERY NIGHT, REALLY

每晚只有他們兩個人在舞臺上，真的。

DEFINING A NEW KIND OF OBSERVATIONAL, SHARP, PRECISE

定義一種新的觀測、銳利、精確的方法。

COMEDY THAT HADN'T REALLY BEEN SEEN BEFORE.

以前從未見過的喜劇。

AND THEY WOULD END EACH PERFORMANCE WITH AN

而他們會在每場演出結束時，以一個

IMPROVISATION, WHERE THEY WOULD INVITE THE AUDIENCE TO PROVIDE A

改進，在那裡他們會邀請觀眾提供一個。

FIRST LINE ASK A LAST LINE, AND A LITERARY STYLE THAT THEY

Firstline ASK A LAST LINE, and A LITERARY STLE THAT THEY?

WANTED THE SKETCH PERFORMED IN.

想要的素描表現在：

IN THE COURSE OF THAT RUN ON BROADWAY, THEY DID I THINK

在百老匯的那場比賽中，我覺得他們是這樣想的

SOMETHING LIKE 95 DIFFERENT LITERARY STYLES.

差不多有95種不同的文學風格。

SO THEY WERE REALLY UNIQUE.

所以他們真的很獨特。

>> Stephen: I UNDERSTAND YOU KNEW MIKE NICHOLS.

>> 我明白你認識邁克-尼克爾斯。

HOW DID YOU GUYS BECOME FRIENDS?

你們是怎麼成為朋友的？

>> WELL, I GOT TO KNOW HIM BECAUSE MY HUSBAND, TONY

>> "我認識他是因為我的丈夫TONY

KUSHNER, WROTE "ANGELS IN AMERICA."

庫什納寫了 "美國的天使"。

AROUND 2001, MIKE AND TONY STARTED WORKING TOGETHER ON THE

2001年左右，MIKE和TONY開始合作，共同完成了 "我的夢想"。

HBO MINISERIES VERSION OF IT.

HBO迷你片的版本。

SO THE FIRST TIME I EVER GOT TO SEE MIKE WAS AT WORK ON THE SET.

所以我第一次見到邁克是在片場工作的時候。

AND THEN AFTER THAT, MY FIRST BOOK WAS IN PART ABOUT THE

之後，我的第一本書是關於 "我 "的一部分。

MAKING OF "THE GRADUATE," SO THAT'S WHEN I GOT TO SIT DOWN

製作 "畢業生"，所以這時候我必須坐下來。

AND INTERVIEW HIM AND TALK TO HIM ABOUT HIS CAREER FOR THE

並採訪他，和他談談他的職業生涯。

FIRST TIME, WHICH WAS JUST ENDLESSLY FASCINATING.

第一次，這只是無盡的快感。

>> Stephen: YOU MEAN, YOU DID 250 INTERVIEWS, OR SOMETHING

>> 你的意思是，你做了250個採訪，還是什麼的。

ALONG THOSE LINES, FOR THIS BOOK, AGAIN, MIKE NICHOLS: A

沿著這些線，對於這本書，再一次，邁克-尼科爾斯：一個。

LIFE."

生活。"

BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO INTERVIEW YOUR OWN HUSBAND ABOUT HIS PART

但你也要採訪你自己的丈夫關於他的部分。

IN MIKE NICHOLS: A LIFE."

在MIKE NICHOLS: A LIFE。"

WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?

那是什麼感覺？

BECAUSE THIS BOOK IS LIKE WARTS AND ALL.

因為這本書就像疣和所有。

YOU'RE A JOURNALIST REPORTING ON SOMETHING.

你是個記者，在報道一些事情。

WHAT'S IT LIKE TO INCLUDE YOUR HUSBAND IN THE REPORTING?

將你的丈夫納入報告範圍是什麼感覺？

>> WELL, I WOULD SAY HE WAS NOT ACTUALLY THE EASIEST PERSON TO

>> 好吧，我想說，他實際上並不是最容易的人。

NAIL DOWN.

釘好了

IF I HADN'T HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING ABLE TO SORT OF LOCK HIM

如果我沒有優勢的能夠鎖定他的位置

IN THE APARTMENT, I'M NOT SURE I WOULD HAVE NECESSARILY GOTTEN

在公寓裡，我不確定我是否會有必要得到的。

THE INTERVIEW.

採訪。

BUT ONCE WE SAT DOWN, IT WAS GREAT.

但一旦我們坐下來，它是偉大的。

IT WAS A LITTLE STRANGE INTERVIEWING MY OWN HUSBAND

採訪我自己的丈夫有點怪怪的。

ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I HAD EXPERIENCED.

關於我經歷過的一些事情。

BUT I KIND OF FALL INTO THAT JOURNALISTIC RHYTHM, AND HE

但我還是有點喜歡上了這種記者式的韻律，而他呢？

BECOMES JUST ONE MORE PERSON TO GET INTERESTING INFORMATION OUT

成為又一個可以得到有趣資訊的人。

OF.

的。

>> Stephen: WAS THERE A SUBJECT FOR THIS THAT WAS MOST

>> Stephen: 有沒有一個主題是最重要的？

INTIMIDATING TO TALK ABOUT?

嚇人的談話？

>> I WAS VERY, VERY INTIMIDATED BY ELAINE MAY, PARTLY BECAUSE I

>> 我對艾琳-梅非常非常的感興趣，部分原因是我對她有興趣

KNEW WHAT AN IMPORTANT INTERVIEW THAT WAS.

知道什麼是重要的採訪，是。

THERE WAS NO ONE WHO KNEW MIKE BETTER PROFESSIONALLY AND

沒有人比他更瞭解邁克的專業性和

PERSONALLY DURING THAT CRUCIAL PERIOD OF HIS LIFE.

在他生命的關鍵時期，個人。

AND PARTLY BECAUSE SHE'S ELAINE MAY, SHE'S A COMPLETE GENIUS IN

部分原因是她是艾琳-梅，她是一個完全的天才在

HER OWN RIGHT.

她自己的權利。

SHE STARTED THE INTERVIEW-- THE FIRST THING SHE SAID TO ME WAS,

她開始採訪 -- 她對我說的第一句話是，

"I WANT TO TELL YOU RIGHT UP FRONT THE ONLY THINGS I CAN

"我想直接告訴你我唯一能做的事

REMEMBER IS THE THINGS I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU."

記住就是我不會告訴你的事情。"

SO THAT TERRIFIED ME.

所以，嚇壞了我。

IT WASN'T REALLY TRUE.

這不是真的。

SHE TOLD ME A GREAT DEAL AND SHE WAS FANTASTIC TO TALK TO.

她告訴我一個很好的交易，她是神奇的交談。

>> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.

>> 我們得快速休息一下。

WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE WITH MARK HARRIS.

我們將返回更多與馬克・哈里斯。