Name: 約翰-迪克森談特朗普和拜登總統競選的下一步行動 (John Dickerson On What's Next For The Trump And Biden Presidential Campaigns)
Uploaded: 2020-10-23T19:01:07.000Z
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MY NEXT GUEST TONIGHT IS A "60 MINUTES" CORRESPONDENT AND

我的下一位嘉賓今晚是 "60分鐘 "記者和

AUTHOR WHO HAS BEEN REPORTING ON WASHINGTON SINCE 1995.

自1995年以來一直在報道華盛頓的作者。

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW," JOHN DICKERSON!

歡迎回到 "深夜秀"，約翰-迪克遜!

>> Stephen: NOW, JOHN, THE LAST TIME YOU AND I WERE TALKING

>> Stephen:現在，約翰，上次你和我談話的時候。

TOGETHER IS BECAUSE YOU HAD RELEASED YOUR NEW BOOK, "THE

我們在一起是因為你發佈了你的新書 "THE TOGETHER"。

HARDEST JOB IN THE WORLD," WHICH IS A HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN

世界上最辛苦的工作"，這是美國的歷史。

PRESIDENCY AND HOW IT HAS BECOME NEARLY AN IMPOSSIBLE JOB TO DO.

總統，以及它如何成為幾乎不可能完成的工作。

SO I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY THE PERSON TO TALK ABOUT HOW THIS

所以我想你正是要談這個問題的人。

NOW AFFECTS THE JOB AND THE POLITICS OF THE MOMENT.

現在影響到了工作和當下的政治。

HOW MANY MORE OCTOBER SURPRISES CAN WE EXPECT TO GET?

我們還能得到多少個十月的驚喜？

>> YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHEN YOU THINK OF THE TAX STORY, THAT WAS

>> 你知道，我的意思是，當你想到稅收的故事，那是。

AN OCTOBER SURPRISE THAT HIT IN SEPTEMBER.

一個十月的驚喜，在九月的打擊。

NOW THIS ONE HITS AT THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER.

IT'S-- IT'S-- YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THE POLLS AND THEY HAVE NOT

這... ... 這... ... 你知道，我們看了一下民意調查，他們沒有。

RESPONDED TO SOME OF THESE HUGE SHOCKS TO THE POLITICAL SYSTEM,

迴應了這些對政治制度的巨大沖擊。

I MEAN, THIS IS THE NUMBER-ONE ISSUE AT THE CENTER OF AMERICAN

我的意思是，這是美國中心的頭號問題。

LIFE, AND THE PRESIDENT IS NOW BOTH RESPONSIBLE FOR THE

生活，而主席現在都要對這一切負責。

RESPONSE AND HE IS NOW A PATIENT BEING TREATED FOR IT.

他現在是一個病人，正在接受治療。

>> Stephen: CAN YOU THINK OF ANYTHING HISTORICALLY THAT'S

>> Stephen:你能想到什麼歷史上的事嗎？

>> YOU KNOW, NOT THIS LATE IN THE-- I MEAN, THERE ARE

>> 你知道，不是這個時候... ... 我的意思是，有。

CERTAINLY PRESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN SICK, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT

當然，總統生病了，我們可以談一談。

THAT, BUT NOT SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED THIS CLOSE.

這一點，但不是發生在這附近的事情。

I MEAN, THERE ARE 32 DAYS TO THE ELECTION.

THE PRESIDENT HAS RAISED QUESTIONS AND ENCOURAGED HIS

主席提出了一些問題，並鼓勵他的同事們繼續努力。

SUPPORTERS TO RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

THERE'S A SUPREME COURT NOMINATION GOING ON.

有一個最高法院的提名正在進行。

SO NOTHING THAT HAS BEEN THIS CRITICAL AND HAD THIS MUCH GOING

是以，沒有任何東西是如此關鍵，並有這麼多的去。

ON ALL AT THE SAME TIME THIS CLOSE TO AN ELECTION.

在所有在同一時間這接近選舉。

>> Stephen: SO IN SOME WAYS, THE WAY THAT TRUMP BEING TAKEN

>> 史蒂芬: 所以在某些方面，特朗普被採取的方式。

OFF TO WALTER REED AND-- IS SORT OF PAR FOR THE COURSE THIS YEAR.

關到沃爾特・裡德和... ... 是幾乎為今年的課程。

IT'S ONE OF THE MOST 2020 THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN RIGHT NOW.

這是一個最2020年的事情，可能會發生在現在。

ALTHOUGH, YOU COULD SAY HIM GETTING CORONAVIRUS IS VERY

雖然，你可以說，他得到冠狀病毒是非常

BUT WHAT STRUCK ME ABOUT SEEING THE PRESIDENT IN THE METHODICAL

但是，在方法論中看到主席，我感到震驚的是什麼？

STEPS OF GETTING HIM TO WALTER REED, WEARING A MASK-- WHICH WE

讓他去找沃爾特-裡德的步驟，我們戴著面具... ...

DON'T SEE HIM OFTEN DOING-- THE PROTOCOL AND EVERYTHING THAT IS

我沒看到他經常做... 程式和所有的事情，是的。

KICKING INTO PLACE IS-- IT'S IMPERVIOUS TO SPIN.

踢到位是... ... 它是無形的旋轉。

IT'S NOT LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE WE'VE SEEN.

IT'S NOT LIKE IT THE THE THE STUFF IN THE CAMPAIGN WHICH IS

ALL ABOUT SHAPING THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE NARRATIVE.

THIS IS THE METHODICAL STEPS TO GET A PRESIDENT WELL, BECAUSE

這是讓總統好起來的方法步驟，因為

>> Stephen: IT SORT OF GOES BACK TO WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN

>> 史蒂芬: 這有點回到了人們一直以來的觀點。

SAYING FOR THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS, WHICH IS COVID DOESN'T

在過去的7個月裡，科維德說，這是科維德沒有。

CARE WHAT YOUR PARTY IS, AND COVID DOESN'T CARE HOW THE

關心你的政黨是什麼，而科維德並不關心你的政黨如何。

COVID DOESN'T CARE HOW YOU WANT TO POSITION THIS MESSAGE.

科維德並不關心你想如何定位這條消息。

AND WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PRESIDENT'S RESPONSE TO COVID A

而我們在主席的答覆中也看到了。

CONSTANT EFFORT TO PLAY DOWN THE RISKS OF IT, AND HIS-- HIS

PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN PLEADING FOR PEOPLE TO NOT

公眾衛生官員一直呼籲人們不要

LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT COVID DOES NOT STOP.

失去了視線的事實，科維德不停止。

AND SO YOU'VE SEEN THAT TENSION FOR MONTHS GOING ON-- I MEAN, ON

所以你已經看到這種緊張的氣氛持續了幾個月... 我是說，持續了幾個月

ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF ISSUES, AND YOU'VE SEEN IT ON THIS MASK

各種不同的問題，你都在這個面具上看到了。

AND NOW WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT IT JUST THEORETICALLY.

現在我們不只是從理論上思考這個問題。

IT HAS, IN FACT, COME TO PASS, THAT THE PRESIDENT, WHO HAS NOT

事實上，事實上，主席已經來到了，他沒有......。

SHARED THAT VIEW, THAT HIS ADVISERS HAVE, NOW IS HAVING TO

他的顧問分享了這一觀點，現在他不得不

GO THROUGH SPECIAL TREATMENT, AND IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, VERY UP

通過特殊的治療，它的所有，你知道，很高的

IN THE AIR AS WE TRY TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IN FACT

在空氣中，我們試圖獲得資訊，什麼是真正的

>> Stephen: SO THERE ARE FIVE WEEKS UNTIL THE ELECTION--

>> 史蒂芬：所以距離選舉還有五週的時間。

AND TWO OF THOSE WEEKS, THE PRESIDENT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE

而其中有兩個星期，主席將無法成為

WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES FOR BOTH OF THESE CAMPAIGNS?

BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, THIS HAS TO CHANGE IN SOME WAYS WHAT BIDEN

因為，很明顯，這必須改變一些方式什麼比登

WHAT IT DID AT FIRST IS IT INTERRUPTED WITH A PLEASANT

它一開始做了什麼，它被打斷了嗎？

RETURN TO SOME NORMS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT WERE GONE,

回到我們可能以為已經消失的一些規範。

WHICH IS THAT JOE BIDEN AND A LOT OF OTHER DEMOCRATS WISHED

這就是喬-比登和許多其他民主黨人的願望。

THEY BASICALLY SPOKE IN HUMAN TERMS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT AND

他們基本上是以人稱的方式來談論主席和...

THAT INTERRUPTION, HOWEVER, THAT'S AN ASSERTION OF A NORM

不過，這種干擾是對正常情況下的一種肯定。

AND IN THESE TIMES OF SHREDDING NORMS, IT'S NICE TO SEE THEM

在這些剪裁規範的時代，很高興看到它們。

ONE, IT WILL KEEP THE STORY FOCUSED ON THE VERY THING THE

第一，它將使故事的焦點集中在最重要的事情上。

PRESIDENT DOESN'T WANT THE STORY FOCUSED ON, WHICH IS THE

主席不希望故事的重點是，這是一個很重要的問題。

65% OF THE COUNTRY THINK HE'S DONE A POOR JOB.

全國65%的人認為他的工作很糟糕。

HE'S BEEN WORKING VERY, VERY HARD IN EVERYTHING, INCLUDING

他一直在非常非常努力地工作，在每一件事，包括

THE DEBATE THIS WEEK, TO CHANGE THE TOPIC ON ANYTHING BUT COVID.

本週的辯論，將主題改為除了COVID之外的任何東西。

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