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  • to sustain the expansion.

  • With a strong labor market and inflation near it's 2% objective, I'd like to take a step back and review had the changing economic and financial picture brings us to today's decision.

  • So far this year, the economy has performed reasonably well with solid fundamentals, supporting continued growth and strong employment.

  • Inflation has been running somewhat below our objective, but we've expected it to pick up, supported by solid growth in a strong job market.

  • Along with this favorable picture, we've been mindful of some ongoing cross currents, including trade developments and concerns about global growth.

  • At the time of our last FOMC meeting, which ended on May 1, there was tentative evidence that these cross currents were moderating.

  • The latest data from China and Europe were encouraging and there were reports of progress in trade.

  • Negotiations with China are continued.

  • Continued patient stance seemed appropriate in the Cup in committee saw no strong case for adjusting our policy rate.

  • In the weeks since our last meeting, the cross currents have re emerged.

  • Growth indicators from around the world have disappointed on net raising concerns about the strength of the global economy, apparent progress on trade turned to greater uncertainty and our contacts in business and agriculture.

  • Report heightened concerns over trade developments.

  • These concerns may have contributed to the drop in business confidence in some recent surveys and maybe starting to show through two incoming data.

  • Risk sentiment in financial markets has deteriorated as well.

  • Against this backdrop, inflation remains muted.

  • While the baseline outlook remains favorable.

  • The question is whether these uncertainties will continue to weigh on the outlook and this call for additional monetary policy accommodation.

  • Many FOMC part participants now see that the case for somewhat more accommodative policy has strengthened.

  • Let me explain the basis for this judgement.

  • Starting with the outlook for jobs and growth, participants see unemployment remaining low this year and next.

  • Monthly job gains in May were lower than expected, however, and in light of recent developments, this bears watching.

  • Still, many labor market indicators remain strong.

  • Community, business and labor leaders all tell us that the prospects for job seekers have seldom been better, and that this is true even for those who have traditionally struggled to find work.

  • Wages are rising, and this is particularly so for lower paying jobs.

  • Committee participants, growth projections from 2019 or little revised from March, with a central tendency of 2 to 2.2% just above their estimates of longer run normal growth.

  • The growth projections for the year as a whole mask some important details about the composition of growth.

  • Annual growth will be boosted by the surprisingly strong first quarter, which had just been reported at the time of the May FOMC meeting.

  • As I noted them, the unexpected strength was largely in net exports and inventories, components that are not generally reliable indicators of ongoing momentum, the more reliable drivers of growth in the economy or spending on consumption and business investment.

  • While consumption was weak in the first quarter, incoming data show that has it has bounced back and is now running at a solid pace.

  • In contrast, the limited evidence available at this time suggests that growth in business fixed income has slowed in the second quarter.

  • Moreover, manufacturing production has posed to decline so far this year.

  • Thus, while the baseline outlook remains favorable, many FOMC participants slated the investment picture and weaker business sentiment and the cross currents.

  • I mentioned earlier as supporting their judgment that the risk of less favorable outcomes has risen.

  • After running close to our symmetric 2% objective for most of last year, inflation declined in the first quarter.

  • Data since then show some pickup participants broadly see inflation moving back up toward our 2% objective, but at a slower pace than had been expected.

  • The central tendency for 2019 core inflation, which emits volatile food and energy components, is between 1.7 and 1.8% setting aside short term fluctuations.

  • Committee participants expressed concerns about the pace of inflation's return to 2%.

  • Wages are rising as noted above, but not at a pace that would provide much upward impetus to inflation.

  • Moreover, we could blow weaker global growth may continue to hold inflation down around the world.

  • We are firmly committed to our symmetric 2% inflation objective, and we are well aware that inflation weakness that persists even in a healthy economy could precipitate a difficult to arrest downward drift in longer run inflation expectations.

  • Because there are no definitive measures of inflation expectations, we must rely on in perfect proxies.

  • Market based measures of inflation compensation have moved down since arm A meeting and some survey based expectations.

  • Measures are near the bottom of their historic ranges, combining these factors with the risks to growth.

  • Already noted, participants expressed concerns about a more stain sustained shortfall of inflation.

  • Overall, our policy discussions focused on the appropriate response to the uncertain environment.

  • The projections of appropriate policy show that many participants believe that some cut in the federal funds rate will be appropriate in the scenario that they see as most likely, though, some participants wrote down policy cuts and others did not of deliberations made clear that a number of those who wrote down a flat rate path agree that the case for additional accommodation has strengthened since our main meeting this an atomic accommodation would support economic activity and inflation's return to our objective.

  • Uncertainties surrounding the baseline outlook have clearly risen since our last meeting.

  • It's important, however, that monetary policy not overreact to any individual data point or short term swing in sentiment.

  • Doing so would risk adding even more uncertainty to the outlook.

  • Thus, my colleagues and I will be looking to see whether these uncertainties will continue to weigh on the outlook and we will use our tools as appropriate to sustain the expansion.

  • Thank you.

  • I will be pleased to take your questions.

  • Nick Timiraos of the Wall Street Journal.

  • Chair Powell, Did you consider a rate cut today?

  • Specifically, Was it one of the options, The policy options in the teal book?

  • And is the committee considering moving?

  • Given all of the uncertainty you addressed moving.

  • It's changing its policy before the next meeting.

  • Um, so the committee had, you know, our usual long discussion of global on domestic economic and financial conditions, Uh, and then spent this morning talking about monetary policy.

  • And, um, I came to the view that that I expressed to you, which is that, um, uh, we're gonna be monitoring, monitoring the cross currents and the other items that we've mentioned, but that we'd like to see more going forward, particularly.

  • We'd like to see whether these risks continued away on the outlook.

  • So, um, generally, uh, as I mentioned, many on the committee do see a strength in case eight of those strength in case for cutting rates, eight actually wrote down rate cuts.

  • A number of others see that the case is strengthened, but the committee wanted to wanted to see Maura's I mentioned.

  • And, um, I also mentioned that some of these some of these developments have been quite recent vintage.

  • And so we do expect that will be learning a lot more on all of these issues in the near term.

  • And and that's our focus.

  • Do you think something could change before the next meeting?

  • I'm sure that things will change before the next meeting.

  • I expect a full range of data and information on all of these issues that we are looking at.

  • I think we'll learn a great deal more about them.

  • And I think that's, uh, we think that that's the right way to move here again.

  • Many of these developments happen, you know, part of the way through the last intervening period.

  • Only seven weeks ago, we had a great jobs report and came out of the last FOMC meeting feeling that the economy and our policy was in a good place.

  • So, um, we want to see we want to see and we want to react to developments, uh, and trends that air sustained that are that are genuine and not react just to data points or just to changes in sentiment, which which can, which can be volatile.

  • At the same time, we're quite mindful of the risks to the outlook and are prepared to move and use our tools as needed to sustain the expansion.

  • Mr.

  • Chairman.

  • Steve Weissman, CNBC Could you walk us through your thinking about trade?

  • It was really the threat of tariffs against Mexico that caused at least the market to become definitively bank your pricing in rate cuts.

  • If, for example, there's a deal with China, does that take the possibility of rate cuts off the table?

  • Yeah, so I would say that we're not looking at any any one thing.

  • I guess I would start by agreeing with your premise that news about trade has been an important driver of sentiment in the inter meeting period.

  • But we're also looking at global growth.

  • It's really trade developments and concerns about global growth that that are on our minds.

  • Um, so we're not exclusively focused on one event or one piece of data.

  • Risks seem to have grown.

  • In the meantime, we have incoming data in the United States that's been pretty good, particularly for the consumer.

  • Consumer spending is solid, supported by you know, healthy job market, high levels of employment, wages going up.

  • We do see those Some areas that we're looking at, such as I mentioned business, fixed income.

  • So, um, also the prolonged short short fall in inflation and perhaps job growth.

  • We don't like to look at one job report.

  • We like to average over three or six months, but still, that bears watching.

  • So we'll be monitoring the implications of all of those developments for the U.

  • S.

  • Economic outlook.

  • We expect to learn a good deal more, as I mentioned, and we'll be asking the question whether those risks are gonna continue the way on the outlook and then in the end, will use our tools as appropriate to to sustain this long expansion.

  • I, Heather long from The Washington Post.

  • Could you clarify what you would do if the president tweets or calls you to say he would like to demote you as Fed chair?

  • I am.

  • I think the law is clear that I have a four year term and I fully intend to serve it.

  • You know, hide your pal.

  • I was hoping that this is genius.

  • My look from the New York times.

  • I was hoping that you could clarify for us a little bit how you're thinking about the risks of waiting too long to cut rates versus the risks of cutting rates prematurely, Um, sort of what the balance of risks are and how you talk about that, right?

  • So we're always trying to balance that risk.

  • But I would say that given the quite recent nature of some of the events, I think the committee felt, though, that the right thing to do was to wait and Seymour and we will see a lot more on all of these issues in the very near term.

  • So I don't think the risk of waiting too long is prominent Right now, I would say is a general matter.

  • It's always something that way have to weigh.

  • But I think we believe that that the right thing here is to is to watch carefully in the near term and see how these risks unfold and see whether they continued away on the outlook.

  • Obviously, which we try to avoid going prematurely as well.

  • In this case, you know, there's always some judgment in these things, but I would just say that that The risks that we see having emerged, uh, are are risks that have gotten our attention and that have called a number of us to write down rate cuts and a number of those who haven't to see that the case of strengthened Marty Marty quit singing with the AP.

  • You had your first descent in your time is chairman.

  • Does that give us a sense that there was debate about among a group it was pushing for a rate cut this time?

  • And how do you do you expect further Descents going forward?

  • Let me say the same thing as I, as I said the last time before their advantage of sense and that is that I think the process of careful, thoughtful dissent is very healthy.

  • One and I've always believed that.

  • And I feel like you make better decisions when you hear a disparity of you.

  • So I, uh, I really do look at it that way.

  • I would add, though, that the support for the path we took for the the policy statement that we adopted was was quite broad.

  • James James pleaded with the Financial Times Mario Draghi at the CB yesterday sent us strong signal of new stimulus for the eurozone.

  • Do you think that such actions tease policy at other central banks around the world will put more pressure on the Fed to do the same?

  • Well, first, I think all central banks are focused on their domestic meant.

  • Their mandates are domestic and therefore focused on economic conditions from a domestic standpoint.

  • And that goes for the European Central Bank goes for the Fed.

  • It goes for all central banks.

  • So that's that's our principal focus.

  • Um, so it could cut either way, you know, I would think that extent you see stronger financial conditions and stronger activity in the C B after a rate cut that would that would support tend to support activity.

  • So we're really focused on, uh, you know, the risks to our on the baseline outlook, which is still a pretty favorable one.

  • And what and the risks to those outlooks That's that's our principal focus.

  • This is the first time that you've been really issuing steps in the narrow when rates are gonna be going down to sort of related questions.

  • Is there concern that you'll be causing a sort of dot deflation by telling people Well, don't buy your car now because it will get cheaper in six months because we're cutting rates and that that could sort of fulfill itself.

  • And secondly, on inflation, that was a pretty big drop in expected PC yet, you know, without reacting to it, are you not sort of undermining your incredible D In terms of commitment to the 2% target, I'll take the inflation.

  • When first I didn't quite follow your DOD question.

  • The fact that expected inflation went from 1.8 What Howard shine with words went from 1.8 to 1.5.

  • That's the fact that you're not responding that inflation question.

  • Yes, I'm saying you on Dief?

  • No.

  • The fact that you signaled rate cuts are coming.

  • Is was there any concern on the committee that this would tell consumers Tell people, don't borrow now.

  • Don't spend now, because I see you later.

  • Um, okay, so let me let me answer the inflation question for so we're saying that we know I noted in the statement, and also in my mind what I said here we saw that market based measures of inflation expectations breakevens dropped.

  • We noted that also in in this statement, and I noted it as a reason for us to one of one of several reasons why, why it feels to us that the case for more accommodation has strengthened.

  • So we find that notable.

  • Not only that, the actual forecast for inflation for this year among FOMC FOMC participants dropped a couple of tents.

  • So that means the more prolonged shortfall of inflation, let me say on inflation.

  • Um, it's, uh, it's something I've been concerned about for quite a long time.

  • It's one of the principal reasons why I called for the review in a world where, where where policy rates are going to be closer to the effect of Lower bound, then just as a general matter, we need to be really strong on 2% inflation.

  • So I think, uh, you know, we certainly don't want to be seen as weak on inflation in it.

  • And I don't believe we are in terms of the dots.

  • You're right.

  • This is the first time I believe we've had We've talked about cutting in the in the in the dot error.

  • I guess the DOT era began in January 2012 and you know we're working our way through it, and I think it's just something we do.

  • You know that my view on the dots is that they overall provide useful information for people, but that we need to do our absolute best to explain what they are and what they are not.

  • Speaking of which they're not a forecast of the group.

  • They're not discussed or debated at the meeting there in input to policy more than an output of policy, and they're also only the most likely case.

  • So in a situation where there's relatively high uncertainty, there is the most likely case.

  • But the second most likely case might only be a little bit less likely.

  • But that doesn't show up in the dot DOT is either one thing or it's another.

  • So I just would say that if you pay too close attention to the dots, then you may lose sight of the larger picture.

  • Chris.

  • Thank you, Chris Condon, Bloomberg News.

  • Mr Chairman, if and when the committee decides to cut rates, I suspect there will be a debate over whether to move by 25 or 50 basis points.

  • Indeed, there's a pretty substantial body of academic literature, arguing that a central bank close to the zero lower bound ought to act sooner and more aggressively.

  • And it otherwise would wonder what you think of that prescription.

  • If you could spend a couple of minutes discussing the pros and cons of a 50 basis point caught how you approach that question on the specific question of that, that just something we haven't really engaged with yet.

  • And it will depend very heavily on incoming data and the evolving risk picture as we move forward.

  • So it would be so.

  • Nothing I can say about that is specific to the near term question that we face.

  • More generally, though, the research you refer to essentially notes that in a world where you are closer to the effect of lower bound, it's why research kind of shows this.

  • It's wise to to react, for example, to prevent a weakening from from turning into a prolonged weakening.

  • In other words, sort of announce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

  • So I think that is, that is a valid way to think about policy in this era.

  • I don't know.

  • Uh, it's it's always in the I think It's in the minds of policy makers, although you know, during this era because it's it's, uh, it's well understood to be correct again.

  • I don't know what what that means In terms of the size of a particular rate cut going forward.

  • That's gonna depend heavily upon, you know, the the actual data and the evolving risk picture.

  • Donna uh, Donna Barack with CNN Thanks Chairman Powell A Democratic presidential candidate, Elizabeth Warren, has provided a proposal to revalue the U S dollar to in order to address concerns about rising trade deficits.

  • The president himself has routinely complained about the strength of the U.

  • S.

  • Dollars, saying it has resulted in quote, tremendous close quote, competitive advantage with countries like China and others.

  • Do you think that an overvalued dollar has been a drag on America's global competitiveness, and would you support an intervention of some kind on this issue?

  • The U.

  • S.

  • Treasury has responsibility for exchange rate policy not to fed, Um, and we don't comment in that sense on the level of the dollar, we have a responsibility for maximum employment in stable prices and we use our tools to achieve that.

  • Of course, we do that through changing financial conditions, and one of those is the dollar.

  • But we don't target the dollar.

  • It's just something that we don't do.

  • In fact, um, central banks, rather nations when they get together, routinely adopted communique that says we will target our domestic economic and financial conditions and not our exchange rate and using monetary policy.

  • And that includes the United States that includes the G 20 communicate that we adopted 10 days ago.

  • So I'm not the right person to ask about about that sort of dollar policy.

  • Innovation.

  • Paul, Think German pal Paul Karon from Dow Jones.

  • Um, if the most according to the DOT plot.

  • I mean, if the most likely case is that you will have to cut rates in the next 18 months on, given some of the concerns about policy needing to react sooner and more aggressively, um, what would have been the downsides to cutting rates?

  • Now, why not just cut it now?

  • So why not?

  • Didn't why not now?

  • Um, and I would say there was not much support for cutting rates.

  • Now at this meeting, there was, as you see, a number of people wrote down rate cuts, but all of those, But apparently one felt that, um, that it would be better to Seymour too, before moving.

  • And I gave a couple of reasons why that is the case first is just the fact that some of these developments are so recent that we want to see whether, whether that whether they'll sustain.

  • So we felt that it would be better to get a clearer picture of things and that we would, in fact learn a lot about these developments in the near term.

  • Ultimately, the question we're gonna be asking ourselves is, Are these risks gonna be continuing away on the outlook?

  • And we will act as needed, including promptly if it's appropriate, uh, and use our tools to extend to sustain the expansion.

  • That work?

  • Yeah.

  • Thanks for doing this.

  • Chairman Edward Lawrence from Fox Business Network.

  • How do you reconcile the conflicting economic data Coming in one hand?

  • You have strong overall growth.

  • Consumer spending is strong.

  • On the other hand, manufacturing numbers were a little bit weaker.

  • You have growth and jobs, but coming in a little weaker and then you have low inflation.

  • And then specifically, what date are you looking at that, you decided not to have a rate cut.

  • What is that?

  • Well, you gave a pretty good picture.

  • I mean, it's it's a It's a complicated picture and, you know, the answer is, we look at all of it.

  • But I would say the big pieces of it or this the the baseline outlook has been a good one, and that has basically been consumer spending coming back up in the second quarter.

  • That has that is coming true.

  • And consumer spending is that a healthy level, and that makes sense.

  • You've got a tight labor market.

  • You've got companies in surveys saying that labor is scarce, You've got workers in surveys saying that jobs are plentiful, You've got wages going up, you've got high levels of household confidence.

  • So all of that underlying fundamentals for the consumer spending part of the economy, which is 70% of economy, is quite solid.

  • Job creation, if you take a three month average, is still well above you know, the level of entry into the work force, so that part of the economy is solid.

  • You mentioned manufacturing and we're seeing this all around the world.

  • Manufacturing, investment and trade have been have been weaker.

  • It's not solely a domestic issue, and it may be that there are a range of factors that are contributing to that.

  • Uh including, for example, what China has done over the last couple of years in and working to bring down its leverage.

  • Um, some of it may be uncertainty over over your supply chains do, too.

  • Trade developments.

  • The Boeing 7 37 issues may be contributing in their own way, so they're lower.

  • Oil prices are contributing to lower investment, although there are also leading to lower gas prices, which supports spending.

  • So there are many, many things.

  • There isn't any one thing that explains it all, but it is.

  • It's a something that we're watching, but you do see growth in service is so you.

  • This pattern around the world of weak manufacturing.

  • But growth in the far larger part of the service is economy, which has led to low unemployment, good job creation, rising wages.

  • That's kind of the the two big pieces of it that you see.

  • Then you see the cross currents if you lay a cross currents.

  • On top of that, concerns about global growth and trade developments.

  • You have the full picture.

  • And I think what that picture, what we took away from that picture is that we'd like to see more that way.

  • Do see these risks.

  • And what we want to do is we're gonna watch and see whether they continue the way upon the outlook Mike and then Michael McKee, Bloomberg Television and Radio.

  • If consumer spending is solid and business investment has been slowed by uncertainty, I'd like to get your thinking on what a Fed rate cut would do.

  • Have you modelled the additional growth and inflation you might get from a rate cut?

  • Can you identify any sectors that would benefit from a lower cost of capital?

  • Or is this really about the Fed being the only game in town?

  • Well, we have the tools we have, and we're committed and sworn to use them to support economic activity.

  • And they do support economic activity through through a number of a number of channels that air reasonably well understood, some more directly tied to interest rates than others.

  • But we do generally believe that that our interest rate policy can can support demand and support, visit business investment as well and so way will Will will use those tools and used them as WeII.

  • C is appropriate to achieve our objectives, which really are to sustain this expansion.

  • And I would just make a note of that.

  • The reason why we say sustained expansion is you're seeing now for the first time, you know, communities that are being brought into the benefits of this expansion that hadn't been earlier.

  • You're 10 years deep into this, and that's something we heard quite a lot at the conference in Chicago on the Review, and I just would say That's why we think it's one of the reasons why we think it's so important to sustain the expansion.

  • Keep it going, Keep it going because we're really are benefiting groups that haven't seen.

  • You know, this kind of prosperity in a long time here.

  • You think bed policy can solve those problems, so we take the way Take the cross currents is as a given and way have our tools.

  • I don't you no way.

  • Don't, uh, we react to anything in principle that could undermine our achievement of our dual mandate goals.

  • Next employment stable prices is worthy of our attention and can call forth a policy response.

  • And, uh, that's just how we look at it.

  • Um, hi, Victoria Guido with politico.

  • Um, you said that the Fed doesn't take short term political considerations into account and you've defended the feds independence.

  • So I was wondering, Is there a point at which, uh, you think that publicly or privately, you should push back on the president's criticisms rather than ignoring him?

  • And also, do you think that you and the President have the same goals when it comes to monetary policy?

  • You know, I don't I don't discuss elected officials publicly or privately.

  • Really?

  • So I would just say that we are at the Fed where deeply committed to carrying out our mission and also that our independence from direct political control we see as an important institutional feature that has served both the economy in the country.

  • Well, Nancy Marshall denser with marketplace chair Paul, are you concerned that new digital currencies like liberal, which Facebook unveiled this week, could undermine the Fed and erode your power to influence the economy?

  • And did anyone from Facebook talk with anyone at the Fed before Cooper was unveiled this week?

  • So on your specific question of digital currencies replacing central bank currencies.

  • I think we're a long way from that, Uh, and of course.

  • So I think we're a long way from that.

  • Digital currencies are in their infancy.

  • Um, so essentially not too concerned about, you know, the central banks no longer being able to carry a monetary policy because of crypto currencies or digital currencies.

  • Um, you know, Facebook, I believe, has made quite broad rounds and, uh, around the world, really with regulators, supervisors and lots of people to discuss their plans.

  • And that certainly includes us.

  • And we're, you know, it's something we're looking at.

  • Um, we will meet with a bride broad range of private sector firms all the time on financial technology.

  • Ah, and there's just a tremendous amount of innovation going on out there.

  • Um, you know, they're potential benefits here.

  • They're also potential risks, particularly of a currency that could, you know, that could potentially have large application.

  • So, uh, I would echo what?

  • What Governor Carney said, which is that we we will wind up having quite high expectations from a sort of safety and soundness and regulatory standpoint.

  • If they do decide to go forward with something helped in regulating deeper than you know we have.

  • We don't have plenary authority over crypto currencies.

  • As such, they play into our world through consumer protection and money laundering and things like that.

  • But I would say that through international forums, you know, way have significant input into into the payment system.

  • And, you know, as you know, play an important role in the payment system here in United States.

  • Frank.

  • Thank you, Chairman Powell, Greg Rob from MarketWatch.

  • I want to take you back to Chicago and the review of your monetary policy strategy and something interesting, I think, is developing is that outside experts are excited and are like the idea of the Fed shifting your inflation target up to 4% around there.

  • Roughly.

  • I guess they think that that would, you know, help monetary policy and that there's no 2% is not like sanctimonious or anything or whatever sacred it seems that you've taken that off the table.

  • So I was wondering if you could discuss that.

  • Have you taken it off the table?

  • And then if so, why are you?

  • What's your thoughts on that?

  • Thank you.

  • We have we've said that we wouldn't look at raising that The target rate for inflation?

  • We did say that and and the reason is it's become a global norm.

  • 2% uh, we are statutory mandate is price stability and so we're actually taking a less.

  • We're looking at less radical ideas, such as how to make the 2% inflation objective more credible.

  • This gives me a chance to say a couple things about the review and Chicago in particular.

  • So it's a new thing for us, something that I thought it was both appropriate important for us to do.

  • It'll be a year long or even longer process looking at our strategy, tools and communications.

  • And it's it's meant to be a way to open ourselves up to let the sun shine in and don't have dialogue and criticism with the constituencies that we serve.

  • We had a series of Fed listens around the country at every Reserve Bank, and we had an academic conference earlier this month with seven papers written and criticized and leading global experts.

  • But I'll just say again that that the heart of the conference was the two panels on with practitioners in low and moderate income who live in low and moderate income communities, uh, and are part of those communities.

  • And they were there.

  • I think people were quite struck by their intervention, which was really uniformly around.

  • How important maximum employment isn't what it means in their communities, the idea being they haven't had, you know, Ah, bull market.

  • In these communities, they haven't had just a booming economy.

  • What they have have is low unemployment, lots of social problems.

  • And just now you have, you know, companies who want to hire and are bringing people into the finding opportunities for people to come into the labor force to an extent not seen in quite a long time.

  • And that is, I think, you know, for someone who does this work that was very focusing and and motivating too.

  • So I think everybody thought, you know, that's that was really quite worth doing.

  • I mean, there was there was some thought at the beginning that we should some people recommended that we just talked to, you know, e con PhDs about this, But no, that's not what we chose to do.

  • And we're glad this is the choice we made But even those two panels that you just referenced the people that spoke they when they were asked about 2% inflation or higher inflation, they kind of shrugged their shoulders, you know, so is 4% inflation radical toe toe.

  • I don't think it's, um, I don't think it's a practical alternative.

  • And I'll tell you why.

  • I think you see disinflationary pressures around the world.

  • You see central banks having a hard time getting inflation up to.

  • They're close to their objective.

  • We've done better than other large central banks who that are not open economies like the UK, where that where you have big currency moves that move inflation around.

  • So but it's quite challenging to get inflation.

  • It's been even with very high levels of resource utilization.

  • Inflation has been lingering and and not getting back up to target in a sustained symmetric kind of away.

  • So saying that you're gonna go for 4% I wonder how credible that would be.

  • Joining them.

  • John helping with American Banker I have a question about feds.

  • August The bank regulators, um, leveraged lending guidance from 2013 as you know, the G a o.

  • I had a letter saying that they thought it was a rule, and, uh, it sort of went away.

  • Um, but yet leveraged lending is the source of concern.

  • You, yourself said have said that credit underwriting quality seems to be deteriorating somewhat lately and that the Fed has tools to supervise banks and to prevent, uh, leverage funding from becoming too much of an issue.

  • I want to know what the is the is the 2013 guidance still representative of the sort of feds thinking about leveraged lending and, uh, does the head of any intent intention to either issue like a leveraged lending rule or a new guidance that is less problematic?

  • Or is the plan to just kind of carry on, um, with supervision as as your as you are, so that the 2013 guidance is not binding?

  • And that's what came out of the Joo Review.

  • But that's really the beginning of this of the story way.

  • Have the authority we need to examine the banks for safety and soundness exposure.

  • So this is the first thing you start with as a bank supervisor is the risks that the banks are taking to themselves through their portfolio through the risks that they're running and, uh, the pipeline, the obligations that they've undertaken to underwrite deals.

  • And so we monitor that very carefully.

  • So do the banks, and you see exposures that are much smaller than they were before the crisis.

  • And by the way, we test that regularly in the in the stress tests.

  • We impose very large losses on those portfolios, so we kind of have a sense of what that is.

  • Worse.

  • Before the crisis, there was a lot of lack of lack of knowledge about what the losses would be.

  • So that's where it starts.

  • For us in supervision is the risks that the banks are running, you know, running on their own books and to themselves and to and to each other.

  • So and that I feel I feel like that is that's in a good place.

  • But we never we never say mission accomplished on that.

  • We we will keep, you know, keep monitoring that carefully.

  • What's happened, though, is, uh, the paper is now owned by market based vehicles, collateralized loan obligations, mutual funds and things like that.

  • And so we now have you know, we have a good sense of domestically of where that paper is.

  • I think internationally, not as much in the Financial stability board is actually looking more carefully at that.

  • And we, you know, we monitor those vehicles to see what they are, and they're actually pretty stable.

  • He funded in the sense that there's no run risk.

  • But there's still macroeconomic risk.

  • And, you know, this is something that we take very seriously and that the the F sock the Financial Stability Oversight Council is looking at and, um, you know, we call it out of the macroeconomic risk, but it's not really a financial stability risk in the sense that it could undermined the ability of the financial system to do its job of intermediate and credit.

  • But is there any intention?

  • Is there any plan on the part of the Fed or other regulators to sort of create any additional clarity for or inconsistency?

  • Really, That's the other point of guidance writers to, uh, make sure everyone knows kind of what the supervisor expectations are for lovers lending, um, for a role for anything, for that matter, is anything else coming or is it just gonna remain kind of like bilateral kind of conversations with banks.

  • You know, I think I think the issue isn't that the banks don't understand what the rules are.

  • The issue is that the risk isn't in the banks.

  • It's in its out in those market based vehicles.

  • So I don't I don't You know, I no longer am day today involved in this as I was before I took this job.

  • But my sense is, though, that that's that's really not the problem.

  • I'm not saying it's perfect, but I think we do understand what what risks the banks are running.

  • And really, the question is, how concerned should we be about large holdings by market based vehicles that I mentioned?

  • And what risks do they present?

  • And we're very carefully assessing that, and we continue to take all these risks seriously.

  • You know, I gave a whole speech about this a few weeks ago, so Brian showing with Yahoo Finance, I'm just wonder if you could expand a little bit on the labor market.

  • So that statement noted that the market's still remain strong, but the maid job support that we saw missed on estimates.

  • But unemployment rate still stayed at 3.6% I'm wondering how you reconcile that with the fact that we only got 3.1% year over your wage growth in that report.

  • What does that tell you about employment?

  • And by all standards, compared to, say, a month ago or a year ago, are we closer or farther away from full employment?

  • Maximum employment?

  • You know, we have to be closer because more jobs are being created than people are running the labor force.

  • The unemployment rate is is lower.

  • Um, you know, but by just lots and lots of numbers.

  • That the labor market isn't is in a good place.

  • You mentioned wages, so the level of wages is very consistent with with with what it should be, in the sense that it's approximately equal to inflation, plus productivity increases on an hourly basis.

  • So, um, what's I guess?

  • A little surprising, though, is that you could reach these levels of unemployment late, long into a cycle, let's say and not see even higher wages.

  • They're pushing up on inflation because wages at this level, even though they're growing at a healthy rate at inappropriate rate, they're not.

  • They're not growing at a rate that would provide much upward thrust for inflation.

  • So, um, you know, we watch.

  • We watch all of this very carefully.

  • And I think, um, we're very careful about not assuming that we're, you know, that that there's no more slack in the labor market.

  • You know, we've all lived through, uh, you know, when I got to the Fed, we were in the 8% plus range, and it's just going down and down and down and you haven't seen wages picked up.

  • You haven't seen real signals that, uh, that were at maximum employment.

  • You have seen a tightening labor market.

  • You know, it's the surveys and that I mentioned will all show that labor market has tightened, but not over tightened Jean with the last question hygiene Young with market news, I wanted to ask, Did the FOMC discuss the change to its balance sheet policy at this meeting?

  • Perhaps ending run offs earlier than planned and with the committee be inclined to do something like that if it lowers rates before September.

  • So, of course, we haven't made any decisions yet.

  • Balance sheet runoff is is very close to the end of it.

  • Planned life, I would say this.

  • If we do provide more accommodation again, we haven't really addressed this.

  • But if we do provide more accommodation will certainly keep in mind what we said earlier this year, which is that will always be willing to adjust balance sheet policy so that it serves our dual mandate objectives.

  • Thank you very much.

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