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  • What did Boris do wrong?

  • I think what he did wrong is, um it's a legacy that he has.

  • I don't don't forget.

  • In 2005 he said something very similar.

  • He said that Islam, that is the problem on dhe Islamophobia is a natural reaction to Islam.

  • He's now saying Ms Kim woman who choose to wear burka look like little boxes or buglers.

  • Oh, rob that bank robber bank robbers.

  • Yes, all of these things indicate something very simple.

  • He definitely has a disdain for Islam on dhe.

  • Those who try, at least in their own ways, practice their face.

  • If you were saying that he has a problem with Islam, then keep it as a religion and criticise the religion.

  • That's the problem so he could have the art school of the art school.

  • I cannot have you read the full article, have a seat halting of contact so you'll know that about half the afterglow is about.

  • The Danes doesn't even mention the burke of his job until about halfway through.

  • But you're saying he has a disdain or four Islam, but he was actually defending the right of Muslim women to choose to where the Booker or the age apples and Hay said.

  • Any counter is Avery.

  • There's an Indian phrase.

  • There's no point you giving me a gift?

  • Is that a no point you're giving me a cow is a gift.

  • After stopping, move your shoes and you put my face on by think that's what he has done.

  • He is defended.

  • The write off woman to choose or ATT least criticized the Danes for their stupidity, but at the same time proving his own prejudices pretty quickly by calling Muslim woman who, where that I don't necessarily think he wasn't.

  • He was.

  • He was talking about their appearance, their appearance.

  • One could argue it wouldn't be language that I would use either.

  • And I've said I'm not a big fan of yours just now.

  • But I defend his right to use those descriptions at saying that a woman who is wearing ah kneecap so you can only actually see her our eyes essentially exactly a slit in a letterbox or a bank robber with someone who's wearing a balaclava is a perfectly accurate description.

  • Would you say if a woman waas um, scantily dressed?

  • Well, to be fair to say she looks like a prosecutor or a tart.

  • I don't think you I think you'll find out.

  • Probably say things like that all the time.

  • I think we make judgments about what people wear all the time.

  • It depends the context.

  • He's wearing a bikini on a beach.

  • No, if she's wearing a she's very she's got big, every single part of her body hanging out walking on the street.

  • Yeah, I'd say she looked cheap and tarty.

  • Yes, I would.

  • You know, we use words that we want to describe people with, but without freedom, off to speak, we have to have to be brave, to be responsible.

  • And if we fail to be responsible and the consequences after that.

  • Boris Johnson isn't an ordinary person.

  • He was to be our foreign secretary.

  • He's that the prime minister in the making, at least in the eyes of some people, is a very influential person.

  • He writes a column in The Telegraph newspaper, so it's not an ordinary person.

  • If he writes that this kind of language it has influence, it will create and give rise to those people who have been waiting with their hatred inside.

  • It gives them the camera phobia.

  • So there's all these people who hate who hate Muslims in this country who are just waiting for Boris Johnson to set.

  • Write an article about the Danish policy on burgers as an excuse to go around, say, tearing burgers or kneecaps off Muslim women walking along the street.

  • Minding our own business.

  • It could be it's a buyer.

  • People is called incitement.

  • Alright, let's think he's been accused of causing offence.

  • Now I'm gonna put it to you as a British woman.

  • I find it offensive that any woman would wear a burka or kneecap.

  • A regular people don't know.

  • Kneecap is where you can just see it.

  • Since the state of the ice burke of the whole face is covered, it'll grill that people see through but with women conceive through Bender, where these things obviously Ah, I find a defensive.

  • I probably walked, passed a woman wearing either a burka road kneecap.

  • Most days in central London, I find I find that offensive.

  • I don't think it should be allowed.

  • I think that it should be banned in public places in this country that we should follow Bo Germond, under Mark and in France, Onda have a band as well, because I think it sends out a very, very unpleasant message about the relationship between men and women and is very oppressive on.

  • I don't think it's ever a viable free choice that any woman would make off her own free will if she hadn't been indoctrinated interview, thinking that she had to cover up to engender getting respect from men.

  • So I'm offended by a woman wearing a burqa, aka or a kneecap.

  • So do I have a rightto have you know, imams apologized to me for seeing that where people are demanding that Boris should apologize for using words that accurately, if not very pleasantly, described the appearance of a burger in a cap.

  • But I'm not allowed to serve.

  • Apparently be offended by someone wearing the actual garment.

  • Do you see how a lot of people might find that a bit strange?

  • No, because you're comparing an apple and a pair.

  • What you see with your eyes, your choice to walk away.

  • No, I tell you, if I'm sitting on the train opposite a lady wearing a burqa on or the other way around, if a woman was walking around scantily dressed, do I have to write to not see?

  • No, Because I will see them.

  • Inevitably, ultimately.

  • But you don't think women should walk around scantily dressed to you?

  • No, I don't know.

  • Do you think there should be rules about that?

  • I think so.

  • You think?

  • What sort of what?

  • What, what?

  • What would you count?

  • A scantily dressed on?

  • What would you count is acceptable?

  • Just so I've got 19 I think, For example, we already have a rule in this country which, if you're walking around scantily dressed, you could be arrested for it.

  • I'm at least if you're looking at, we give you if you're walking around in certain areas.

  • If you walk into the parliament scantily dressed, I don't think you'll be allowed.

  • I don't think you'll be allowed.

  • When?

  • When you say when you use the word scantily dressed, What do you talk about?

  • A woman wearing a bikini Or maybe a woman wearing a vest in it and a mini skirt.

  • What would give me a clear what you're talking about?

  • I'll give you a very good example.

  • When I went to Israel, not longer tell in the holy area for the Wailing Wall a Jewish woman came to pray and how skirt was up to her needs.

  • Andi Jewish.

  • I know the Jewish lady who was guarding the area came and stopped her and gave her a longer scarred so they would come up to her ankle.

  • I went to Spain when a lady walked into a Catholic charge without head actual.

  • We're not talking about going to places of worship.

  • We're talking about people walking around the street.

  • If a woman wants to wear a burka or a kneecap in a place of worship that since that's between her and her conscience of golden, however you're walking along public streets in Britain.

  • In my view, I would like to be able to see your face.

  • So your part of society, I could engage with you.

  • We can smile at each other.

  • I know who you are on we and we and we are and you're and you're not saying to me.

  • I'm other than three.

  • Key thing is, you know as well as I do that the Burke of the new pope is not sort of an innocent piece of cloth.

  • It's meaningless.

  • It's not.

  • It's a statement.

  • It's a statement of political ideology rather than religions.

  • Day requirement in Islam for women to wear either Doc Garment as we know, because the vast majority hundreds of millions of Muslim women don't where either need cab or a burka.

  • And we've seen women in places like Afghanistan and Syrian Iraq when they're finally freed from wearing it, are delighted to be rid of these garments.

  • But the reality is this.

  • Stop this.

  • This garment is there purely because a woman must show modesty.

  • Or basically she will be disrespected.

  • So woman must cover her face, cover her body so that a man won't sexually assault her.

  • Not that to me, Would you say, What do you say to a woman who wear the same morcott type of clothing in sub Saharan Africa's and in Middle East on they're not Muslims.

  • Okay, that's my whole point.

  • It's nothing to do with Islam.

  • It's a it's a cultural thing.

  • I'm sure that wearing that closing in the middle of a desert might be quite practical, but it's not very practical in central Manchester or London.

  • The alarm didn't finish my sentence.

  • I mean, if you stick to your point and then I will if people have a choice.

  • The choices that they can choose, whatever they want to wear.

  • That's what our democracy is about.

  • And that's what we're celebrating.

  • You can't wear about.

  • I love walking down the street.

  • You can always good for a second.

  • I have as a person personal choices, likes and dislikes.

  • I should keep them to myself or in a civilized way, have a discussion, that conversation.

  • But if I called Boris Johnson a mop head for his hairstyle, if I call people wearing short clothes, perhaps there's tart.

  • I think I'm being insulting deliberately.

  • There's no need for that.

  • I know we're not talking vaginal.

  • No, no.

  • Answer the question.

  • I've been the point about the guns.

  • These are not.

  • This is not the same as someone wearing a white T shirt or a blue T shirt.

  • These are statements off particular values.

  • Yes, I've spoken to dozens of women who wear burkas, and they don't say it's a It's a political ideology.

  • This is women who are wearing the women who are wearing this garment in the U.

  • K.

  • Today.

  • It is it is a statement of a political extremist ideology, and you know that because the vast majority of most of women in this world do not wear the Burka handicap.

  • For this reason, I personally do not support Islamically speaking, wearing office cover.

  • And personally I don't.

  • But I'm a man.

  • I have nothing to do with what I like it or not.

  • A woman had a choice to decide and she has the right to decide what she wants to wear.

  • It would be wrong of me to say that you're right.

  • You just said you thought we should have rules about women being scanned, not being allowed to be scantily dressed in the street with a man's opinion.

  • I have an opinion, right?

  • I can ask you, would you, as a woman, please allow me to finish?

  • A woman has a right to choose what she wants to wear.

  • I believe the strength of our democracy.

  • Secondly, for you to suggest that every Muslim woman who was wearing a niqab face covering is making a political statement.

  • I think it's not correct.

  • It is a political statement.

  • You have you spoken to them and you know, I don't got harassing women walking on the street?

  • No.

  • Funnily enough, I didn't Don't don't make a sound about their intentions.

  • No, I'm saying no, I'm not saying their intentions.

  • It is and statement of a political ideology.

  • But this is not a requirement.

  • Is not?

  • It is Hundreds of woman who come from very rule background in many parts of the world don't even understand what you're talking about.

  • They're just doing it because of their cultural.

  • Yes, But that way then, of a making a choice.

  • If they've been told all their lives that basically if you don't cover up, you're basically a whore and you deserve to be raped.

  • You got any man and any man could do anything He wants you because you don't deserve respect.

  • In what way they choosing to wear that government.

  • How do you know?

  • They've been told that.

  • You just told me this.

  • Women coming from back.

  • What?

  • You just said that coming from thes air backwards places where they don't have any different.

  • It's a car did not have been used.

  • The word backwards.

  • I had very rural places.

  • I used a group of using the word backwards.

  • You can, but they don't say I said it.

  • You were saying these things.

  • My statement was very clear, I said, Woman who would make a choice.

  • They make a choice because they want to wear what they want to wear in our country, in Britain, in a free country where we can do what we want to do within our law.

  • Yes, I'm saying that we should change the law.

  • That's what I just Can I ask you if you are saying a woman is being forced into wearing way?

  • No, I didn't say that.

  • This is my question.

  • Their final question to original.

  • You're saying this is a woman's choice.

  • And again, I think all of our choices are limited.

  • You got there certain things you can't walk around wearing or about closing you are required to wear before we get arrested.

  • However, do you think a man would use as a Muslim?

  • Would you ever choose to wear basically a big shout?

  • A sheet covering your entire face and body day in, day out, Whenever in the public sphere.

  • Hold on.

  • No, no.

  • Why?

  • Why is that?

  • But I personally don't like certain ways of personally ill.

  • You'd find a depressive, wouldn't you?

  • To basically have something hanging over your face the entire time you would not do so.

  • What?

  • Why would any rational human being man or woman?

  • You see?

  • Oh, you you can argue with them.

  • He had put your case.

  • I felt a bit.

  • Doesn't love into it without quoting the robber or electable?

  • No, I didn't call them letter, but he said they looked like which they do the substance.

  • The substance of our argument is if you disagree with the KOB, put your case forward nicely, politely, robustly.

  • Family.

  • If you disagree with a woman's choice to wear whatever she wants, argue about without personalizing the argument on dhe without calling them names.

  • You know there's a very nice A people off big mind and substance.

  • Talk about the topics and issues and people of small minded, no substance talk about persons, and Boris Johnson has again proven the point.

  • And that is when he loses, he personalizes the debate.

  • All right, generic in this country, some of phobias on the right.

  • You, yourself as well as many other media commentators, should be very responsible.

  • Well, gadget Well, this is where when you talk about Islamophobia, what you mean is someone criticizing Islam already of the beliefs of Islam or any of the practices of Islam.

  • Now that's not Islamophobia.

  • That's what we do in Western liberal countries.

  • We criticize religions and ideologies.

  • We allowed to question them were allowed to criticize them on DDE.

  • That is part of our democracy and part of our freedom.

  • It's not that it's not a phobia.

  • Excuse me.

  • Would you argue with the Jewish person if they say and the senators of his ex wives that you would No, I would absolutely would absolutely.

  • And I do with my Jewish.

  • But we have a long discussions about this definition of, we know, should someone be allowed to deny the Holocaust or not?

  • We've had long discussions, a passel of the communities have come together and I've come with a definition off anti Semitism and you start you've accepted it.

  • I actually don't accept a hobby and know that there are aspects of that that I don't I think it would depend on the motive of what someone was saying genuine.

  • But we're gonna look, I'm so agile.

  • I debate this with you for three hours, quite happily if it was up to me.

  • But time is against.

  • We have to go to travel update London Imagine Mr Wright, Thank you so much for speaking to us.

  • Really appreciate it, mate.

  • Well, hopefully speak to you again about about this topic and many more.

  • Let me bring you my guest this morning.

  • Dr Ellie Cannon, who's a North London GP and media consultant and former Tampa editor Neil Wallace.

  • Joining me, you're listening to my conversation with Mom Astro, the London Imam.

  • About all these issues regarding Boris, that what he said and whether he should apologize or not.

  • I knew him.

  • Do you think that Ah, boy shelter did get it wrong?

  • Well, as I said earlier, what he got wrong was he.

  • His article was about why we shouldn't ban the burger on attacking Denmark for doing so.

  • It's a lot more criticism of Denmark than there was a women wearing the niqab.

  • And incidentally, he was actually in Denmark last week, which was the start of it.

  • It wasn't just complete out the blue.

  • That was a reason why you talked about.

  • Um no, my view.

  • I think we should ban the burger.

  • I think it's offensive.

  • I think it's offensive to men, incidentally, as well as women.

  • Well, the idea that unless a woman is dressed head to toe in a shroud, I'm in danger of losing physical Almen are in danger of losing self control and leaping on them and ravishing them.

  • I mean, what on earth does that say about a culture that believes that is right?

  • Um, and that's the way it must be consumed to understand.

  • It's not about us.

  • It's not about modesty and respect them is hoping to see if you don't wear it, you're not modest, and you're not worthy of respect.

  • Yeah, and you you are inviting trouble upon yourself, which seems to be a truly astonishing way to look at.

  • It was quite because our our guest, the London in my marriage, more mass rule was make the point that he thinks there should be laws about women being too scantily dressed.

  • It's fascinating.

  • You got the right to wear what you want, except you shouldn't be Tuesday.

  • And what what?

  • He's also scared.

  • I live in West London on what you are seeing is younger and younger Children being dressed in his jobs?

  • I mean, it's heading the same way I decided there's no requirement is again.

  • There's no requirement for for the Burke on the bottle.

  • And it's not city.

  • Most scholars agree on that, because most bosom of Joe where, but also there is no requirement on anyone who's prepubescent.

  • And certainly no child at primary school should be wearing Hey, drop it again.

  • But that's because that's what saying it's a political ideology.

  • It's not a requirement of literally, really look you again your your GP.

  • You must have patients who come in lots of parts of the country.

  • People be listening.

  • Let's go.

  • I've never seen a woman in the kneecap broker.

  • I see plenty around where I live.

  • Do you have patients who come in?

  • And do you ask them to remove the veil so that you can speak to their face?

  • Yes, I have.

  • I have a large proportion of patients who have religious covering, whether that's a huge job or a kneecap, whatever it is actually not workers.

  • I have to say women who come in and see a female doctor will lift their veil up straight away.

  • I don't know.

  • I don't know.

  • It's possible that they do request to ask to speak to a to a female doctor.

  • I do have to agree with Neil.

  • I also see some very little girls who are wearing his job's just had s o, you know, really sort of it.

  • Six or seven, generally from Somalia and communities.

  • No, definitely not the norm.

  • But I've certainly I think your family certainly become or accept.

  • Yeah.

  • I mean, it's such a lot of many cities like Birmingham and social, but I think this is not This is not normal.

  • This is not the norm in most Muslim countries.

  • And in fact, of course, lots of large Muslim majority countries.

  • There was actually a band on head scarves in public places, not even just a burger on the teacup which cover the face but on the head scarf as well, such as Medina.

  • You're not allowed to when you when you do the hajj and you walk around Medina, women or men, not women, are lots allowed to cover their faces.

  • It's a fascinating debate.

  • Anyway.

  • Let's talk about all this with Westminster whispers political reporter at the Times Henry Sefton, who joins us now.

  • Good morning to you, Henry.

  • Good morning.

  • Good morning.

  • Well, obviously, just been hearing us.

  • We're talking about this.

  • A burger outlets instead of rights.

  • Along with Michael, Let's talk about Boris Johnson.

  • A lot of people are saying, Look, he knows what he's doing This man, he's a clever man.

  • This is all either about attention seeking.

  • It's about sort of rallying the Tory right wing.

  • This is This is about him.

  • Perhaps you're having lots of contact recently with Steve Bannon.

  • Of course, he was with the architects of Donald Trump's success in the American presidential campaign.

  • What's the motive behind him writing this article?

  • What do you think?

  • He generally thought, Oh, I've bean in Denmark.

  • They banned the burger.

  • I'll write an article about this and no one will notice.

  • Well, he famously relics his newspaper columns very, very quickly.

  • So So I sort of awards Theo interpretation that, you know, on Sunday night he saw Oh, God, what am I gonna right?

  • Wrote this out And he won't certainly a plan to become the sort of major item off the Western news agenda for the coming week.

  • But will he mind being the major item of the Westminster use agenda?

  • Probably No.

  • I mean, the thing is, is that whatever the rights and wrongs of debate as you were just a baby.

  • The will play well with Tory activists who will see Boris Johnson of standing up, or what they see is a liberal values or their values against people like Theresa May on a wing of the Tory party that they're very frustrated with.

  • Although the interesting thing, of course, is that if people most people who've received critical of him don't seem to realize they haven't read the whole article that he was actually arguing against the band, he was arguing for a very libertarian position, which, you know, look, yeah, well liberal liberal aside, he's We don't ban clothing.

  • I I would go further.

  • I have a funny feeling that an awful lot of Tory supporters on Brexit voters who would be rather keen on Boris on being the tour religion being prime minister would actually go further would want a ban.

  • Yeah, absolutely, although although I think you know that the mere fact that they will see Boris being criticized for some of the language he used in the article, even if he didn't come out on the same side of the argument of them, ultimately might be enough of a signal to the key sort of synthesizers or empathizes with their views.

  • The one thing that's very striking is the almost all the people who have criticized for a safe off from the Tory party now that starts from Theresa May, down to the backbench story's sounding off on Twitter are remaining.

  • Now.

  • This is not about Brexit, but it does show that there is a sort of war going on for the future of the Tory party.

  • And what kind of vision of the Tory party should take place after Theresa May?

  • Yeah, this is a early proxy for the kind of stuff we're gonna have first party conference and then later on the boys.

  • Johnson has made it very clear to his people, speaking on his path that he's not what any attention off apologizing, nothing to apologize for.

  • But Theresa Mayes called from apologized that party leader Brandon this party chairs but also to repair Lord Shake has called for him to lose the party whip.

  • Any chance of that happening?

  • No, none whatsoever, Have you say also no chance of him apologizing.

  • So at some point, this story will just fizzle out.

  • But it is a reminder that Boris Johnson, now on the back benches, wants to make a splash and wants to be foreign minister.

  • And they're going to be more and more cases of him splitting with front bench of his boat.

  • Should Boris Johnson apologizing?

  • If so, for what?

  • No, you shouldn't, Andi, I'm actually very disappointed in Boy.

  • I'm disappointed because he could have used his article Thio much friend.

  • He could have called outright for the running of the burqa on to the release of liberation of many women in the UK who are completely isolated on a visible and segregated from society on.

  • I also don't agree with his comment that women should be free to choose what they were because many of these women aren't even free to choose their own husband.

  • Certainly not going to choose to be in a lesbian relationship, A more country that celebrates gay pride on gay marriage.

  • Where do these women find the power to choose what they were?

  • So I was disappointed that you didn't go further is you're saying that he definitely shouldn't apologize certainly for what he had to say.

  • Do you think his choice of language, the phrase the letterbox the bank robber, And I have to say I would say these are perfectly accurate descriptions.

  • They're not intrinsically offensive, but he would have known he's a clever man.

  • He would have known that people would leap on those and say they were offensive.

  • And do you think you should perhaps speed a bit more careful of the language he shows?

  • Well, yeah, There are people, people who are with a slow outrage.

  • You were clarified, but at some stage, any day suit, glorious May times deposition number can on those people, of course, are all game to come out, particularly goes on the remains of the box.

  • Arguments are going to come out, and they are going to a park in four.

  • Primal statement of people well funded just on people while suspended, but they were not.

  • People would aggravate the bars or ever vote conservative.

  • Anyone holding What does that mean?

  • It's okay to go around offending people because they don't vote Ori.

  • No, no, of course not.

  • And of course, you should get yourself the mature of people in the UK Um, you know, anybody who can I stop you there?

  • So the phone lines got very fuzzy that if you could move the phone a little bit just to get a clear line, that's much better.

  • Langley.

  • Yeah, Yeah.

  • I think we may still be.

  • People in the UK will resonate before she will agree with what he said.

  • Be supportive of what?

  • What I said, as you quite rightly pointed out by intelligent people.

  • I know he will know what you will not put the column out without without paralyzing.

  • There's you had massive support.

  • You know, he would have got back more cars there.

  • People in Westminster, you know he will have the country.

  • Okay, he's being accused off not just cause offence, but off Islamophobia and their claims.

  • Can't let women with labor and accusation of symptoms.

  • And the idea is that the Tories having Islamophobia problem in the same way they took the Labour Party has an anti Semitism problem.

  • Do you think that is the case said that you cannot even come.

  • Pammy, I I understand that labor wanted throat Any smoke screens.

  • They can't have a bunch of the desperate on something Some problem that they have in their party which is eating the party alive.

  • I understand why they're doing that, but it is absolutely incomparable.

  • You cannot even begin to compare the two issues.

  • I said.

  • You know, we do have a problem with a radical and extreme Islam entire that did high country have a problem with that?

  • But I don't believe Boris went far enough and I've taken into task over it myself.

  • He should have used the article to call for a banning of a burger.

  • No woman in the UK she's dressing a man.

  • It will have to dress in a minute or before dressed in manner, which discovered her beauty and her bruises.

  • And it is wrong.

  • It is a medieval, violently such mystic.

  • Nothing complete segregation, isolate women.

  • I'm really sorry that he didn't get further.

  • Well, I I personally agree with Wolf a lot of what you just said.

  • There's But why do you think that the British prime minister, the leader of the Conservative Party, Why do you think she thinks that the right of a woman to choose to wear this medieval garment, which has actually no requirement in Islam?

  • Why do you think she thinks that's more important than that?

  • Integration and Andi people being able to show their faces on the streets of this country.

  • Why?

  • Why is the Prime Minister got this role?

  • Yeah, I think at the moment I think Prime Minister is being very badly advised for advisors.

  • Hold on a minute.

  • She doesn't need to seek advice from someone to know what she thinks about the burqa.

  • Julia, I'm just telling you my opinion on what I think.

  • I think she's being very badly advised by people who are very worried that Boris May, at some stage in the future, launch a leadership bid on.

  • Therefore, they're doing all that they can, advising her to do all that she can to both undermine Andi to humiliate Boris in order to prevent that happening on.

  • I think that's what what she's seeing.

  • I don't believe this is about voices comments whatsoever.

  • I actually personally believe that the prime minister on others, probably you can even economic order the burger by the burger.

  • They would be doing this.

  • What?

  • The name of the game now is to keep Boris down because polls have just shown recently that he is once again the number one person to talk to any leadership it and that frightens people in number 10 on.

  • They don't want to see that happen on.

  • This is a lot about okay.

  • This is more about the leadership in the internal wranglings, the Tory party, than actually what women do wear on our streets and and cultural integration.

  • Lord Shake, a Tory peer founder, the conservative Muslim for him, he's called for Bristol is the party with me said He has said that what he wrote in flames, bigotry and Islamophobia, I couldn't agree.

  • No, I don't agree.

  • And like I can't say it often enough, you know, I do not support biases.

  • Comment.

  • Women should continue in this country in a country that celebrates gay pride and braces.

  • Gay marriage Where is the help Miss Cultural Gulf being not be crossed by women who are completely covered from head?

  • But what if a woman I've interviewed dozens of women?

  • Dozens of Muslim women who said to me it is their choice.

  • Women who have bean converts Western converts to Islam who have chosen to wear the Burkle the kneecap, to cover their faces almost entirely.

  • Whenever they're in the public sphere, they say they find it liberty.

  • I've argued the Pacific, they say, they find it.

  • Liberating, they say, is part of how the show their their their their devotion.

  • Thio other on dhe.

  • They say it's their free choice.

  • I think they do.

  • The women he are.

  • You don't get to choose who they marry.

  • These are women who converted, Chosen my husband.

  • I think they doing justice to those women who don't even get to choose their own husband, who had absolutely no option of having a gay marriage or a lesbian relationship, or even being able to work or speak English.

  • I think, baby, those women, those silent women, a huge injustice on they really to look at themselves on think.

  • Are they doing this program?

  • Are they doing?

  • In the wider group of women, those women are segregated, isolated?

  • Andi didn't mean by being made to dress in what I call violet misogynistic clothing.

  • But how is that beauty on the What about closing the gates to hide those women and segregate them?

  • They see those women just Nadine Dorries, conservative MP for Mitt Ben Future.

  • Thank you very much indeed for joining us.

  • Do you think that Boris Johnson should apologize for the comments he made about how women appear when wearing the burka.

  • The kneecap, dear guys, ready to hear you, you read are some of the comments your listeners have had sent in line.

  • I noticed I was making a total federal calculation here by Ned is almost all of them.

  • Um, support his bars on.

  • Truth to sell.

  • I have gone back and re rig is asking It does seem to me the baby Good article on.

  • Actually, it's an article which, surprisingly, the meat and it comes out firmly against spanning the buckle.

  • The images of the telegraph does also print hold number of countries which have decided that it has gone too far in there there is a case for abandon the but in many cases that has been banned.

  • So honest, I think you could say but both in his office and said it was the voice the voice of reasonable isn't it really made me make a couple of forever comparisons with letter boxes.

  • Songs will haven't said what has happened to free speech?

  • So there you are.

  • That's my line.

  • That's that's your opinion.

  • You don't think he should apologize something that this is just a storm in a teacup which I suspect has being kicks up by the Labour Party on.

  • It's probably kind of remove some of the embarrassment they're feeling about tonight.

  • It is ordered that my final question on this or is it the case that actually this is storm in a teacup teacup delivery kicked up by Boris Johnson is a bit too sort of tutor to flag up his views to the Tory party faithful ahead of a leadership.

  • It No, I don't think so.

  • I think on all of that I talk.

  • I talk to you about that.

  • I think he is actually raising some rivets, really dead genuine issues.

  • So I don't know how far we get in this country.

  • Andi, Andi, I think that we do need to have a debate on this help.

  • It's held kneecap business.

  • And I think that actually, the point you made in your introduction this is an example of the way men continue to brutalize the brutalized women.

  • And I think that not it in those terms is very liberal.

What did Boris do wrong?

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