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  • Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Labour leadership past 2020. 00:04:57.340 --> 00:05:2.550 Hello, Welcome to the Labour leadership postings here in Cardiff, City Hole. 00:05:3.130 --> 00:05:8.990 My name's Rick Mazeroski, and it's my job today to keep these in, check on moderate and make sure we stick to time.

  • This event is for Labour members, and it's your chance to ask the questions that matter to you most ahead of the vote theme of the guidelines that I'm following today and that's the candidates are well versed in is to make sure that the events affair to all of them and to make sure they're treated equally Earlier, one in the Green Room I've bean through the questions the tens of them that you've submitted today, and I think you will agree.

  • We've got a wide range of topics, and I should expect here in Wales we have plenty of devolution.

  • Each candidate then gets 40 seconds sounds to the question, and if there's any follow up questions for me, there, then get further 40 seconds.

  • Candidates can also respond if they wish to two other points that have been made by their colleagues.

  • If that happens, we'll make sure they've got equal amount of time to respond.

  • It's me, my job to read the questions to them. 00:05:59.190 --> 00:06:0.590 So if you submitted one, don't worry. 00:06:0.590 --> 00:06:3.150 There isn't a camera about to be flashed in your face and you know about have to do it. 00:06:3.150 --> 00:06:3.870 That's all on me. 00:06:4.910 --> 00:06:8.350 Before we came out and say to the candidates Drew lots to decide who would go first. 00:06:8.350 --> 00:06:11.250 And who will stand who will go in which order.

  • So you can see Emily will be actually first.

  • Then Lisa, then Rebecca.

  • Thank you.

  • If they've gone first, then the next time they will go last and someone so we will keep the process moving.

  • We haven't got any opening statements.

  • Eso We're moving straight on to answer the questions, but there will be a closing statement by each of the end.

  • As you know, today is due to until one o'clock and I'm asking and I'm sure they will.

  • Each candidate treated to the respect.

  • But we also ask that you do the same thing.

  • We want you to show your appreciation if you feel it merits it.

  • And if you do that commie ass that there's no huge amounts of extend about crapping we've selected lots of questions.

  • And we would love to get through the mall to give you the best chance of picking your winner.

  • So we're gonna get started.

  • I just switched my paperwork, right. 00:06:58.690 --> 00:07:2.000 Our first question, If I get through this without stumbling my words every miracle. 00:07:2.350 --> 00:07:5.100 So the first question is from Jeff Beard from Earth, Otisville and Romney. 00:07:5.100 --> 00:07:9.580 CLP How will you put bumbling Boris back in his box?

  • So start with Emily, please.

  • I have an advantage over the other candidates and that eye shadow Boris Johnson for two years.

  • And during those two years, I used to take him to task at the dispatch box.

  • And frankly, I think that everybody says that I got the better of him on The point is, is that I exposed him to be the lying, manipulative coward that he is, somebody who is not prepared to actually look at any details who essentially believes that he is there to show off.

  • He has no you have no vision is to wear what it is that he wants to do with the country on the way that you have to take him on when you take on a clown is you cannot do it in a way which is deadpan.

  • You cannot do it in a way, which is which is boring.

  • You have to kind of go for it and you have to put details to him and you have to show him up to not understand any details.

  • I used to quote things at him. 00:07:57.980 --> 00:08:1.160 He didn't even remember saying And then you come back the next time on. 00:08:1.160 --> 00:08:1.550 Then you say. 00:08:1.550 --> 00:08:3.900 Well, actually, Mr Johnson, you said this and this is what? 00:08:3.910 --> 00:08:5.390 And then you take him that that way. 00:08:5.690 --> 00:08:6.870 I am good at this. 00:08:7.100 --> 00:08:12.400 I can take him on at the dispatch box and be the one place he won't be able to hide is every week of Prime Minister's questions.

  • And if you want to see him taken to task, nominate me, get me onto the ballot and then select me as the next leader of the Labour Party in the decade have been in parliament shadowed three prime ministers on they're all very different with Boris Johnson.

  • His great weakness, it seems to me, is that he wants to be liked on DSO when Tan decide the MP for Slough stood up is the first turbaned Sikh to ever take his place in the House of Commons and challenged Boris Johnson about those disgraceful comments about Muslim women looking like letter boxes.

  • He did not know what to do with himself.

  • You have to take him on with the moral case.

  • You have to take him on about the fact that he doesn't understand this country. 00:08:58.290 --> 00:09:3.960 He wants to get funding to the North, but it doesn't understand that what we really want is power and respect. 00:09:4.100 --> 00:09:9.790 And you have to take him on because he doesn't know that this country is better than he believes. 00:09:9.800 --> 00:09:13.540 We have decent values were tolerant, outward looking nation on.

  • We've got to go out there and fight for it.

  • Thank you.

  • He's not bumbling, be under no illusion that Boris is very clever and very calculated.

  • And he is finishing a project that's been 40 years in the making that destroyed my community on destroyed communities right across Wales.

  • And he won't be able to tackle a working class woman from a de industrialized community who was here to fight back and address the damage that's been done to her community and communities right across the country.

  • he won't be able to handle a woman who has a vision, and he won't be ableto handle a woman who focuses on detail from our green industrial revolution through to democratizing our economy. 00:09:59.750 --> 00:10:6.190 We will shatter the conservatives there, hold on our communities and Boris's appeal to the electorate. 00:10:6.200 --> 00:10:17.290 If I'm leader beyond the no illusion about that hello, whales deal.

  • I'm a pro.

  • So Boris Johnson needs to be confronted absolutely head on.

  • But the dispatch box?

  • He hates confrontation.

  • That's why he wouldn't do the Andrew Neil interview.

  • He doesn't like that kind of politics, so we have absolutely put it to him in Parliament at the dispatch box, and that's what I will do. 00:10:43.210 --> 00:11:3.470 But I want a whole team alongside me doing it all of the time in Parliament across the country, and I want under my leadership you to hear every time you turn on the television or the radio, a very strong labor advocate, very obviously winning the argument cause we gotta win it day in, day out, week in, week out into the next general election. 00:11:3.560 --> 00:11:4.050 Thank you. 00:11:5.340 --> 00:11:11.620 Thank you much.

  • Your second question is when carries half Glenn for Mom.

  • Beth she would like to know.

  • In your opinion, what does a successful relationship between Westminster and the National Assembly looked like?

  • So it'll be Lise transfer in first place.

  • So I think that assessable relationship between Labor and between the UK government and the Welsh Assembly is one that is a partnership that respects the diversity in the strength off the knowledge and the assets and the potential in Wales on.

  • Dhe works together to raise us up together, but if we want to build that, then we're gonna have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.

  • It's no use saying to Wales toe Welsh labour from UK labour that we want to see more powers devolved a more respect from the Tory's if we don't walk the walk ourselves. 00:11:59.050 --> 00:12:3.970 So that means we have to stop imposing candidates telling you how to spend resources. 00:12:3.980 --> 00:12:13.720 Stop publishing manifestos which tell you that we will deliver things in this country that is already being devoted, delivered by the Welsh labour government.

  • This has to end.

  • We have to rebuild our party from the grassroots up and show the Tory's on the country that we can do better, not just tell them that it could be better.

  • Well, I think we need to have a discussion with our Welsh members about devolution and it shouldn't be about how many powers do you want?

  • It's what powers do you want to share?

  • And we need a constitutional settlement that respects the Welsh assembly on indeed, parliament within Scotland and we see them a satellites at the moment where Westminster is king on Wales and Scotland are out there taking handouts from Westminster. 00:12:54.900 --> 00:13:6.570 We've got to defend the current settlement that we have and we've got to make the case against this government whose imposed up to £4 billion worth of courts on the Welsh Assembly since 2000 and 10 on. 00:13:6.570 --> 00:13:11.780 We've got to tell the story about what, how Wales does not have the economic power it deserves.

  • The Tories Chi Bosch, Swansea, Tidal Lagoon.

  • They haven't supported our steel industries.

  • They haven't supported the renewable technologies of the future that could have re industrialized parts of Wales and we need to hold them to account on this.

  • I've been walking the walk for the last three and 1/2 years, a shadow Brexit secretary coming down here to speak to members of the Senate and to build that relationship.

  • And I hope there are people in the room that can testify to that.

  • It's not about imposing.

  • As leader of the Labour Party, I would not seek to impose anything on whales.

  • It's about agreement of working together this week of being in Wales, talking about how the relationship develop. 00:13:57.010 --> 00:14:0.920 I think federalism is the way forward, more devolved powers upto whales. 00:14:0.920 --> 00:14:3.530 That's a discussion I've been having here this week. 00:14:3.650 --> 00:14:11.860 I think the relationship between the leader of the opposition on wealth later labor needs to change as well because I think Welsh labour needs to be much bigger.

  • Part of the decision making of the Labour Party, we don't hold it close enough were in power.

  • Here are examples of what's going on here that we should showcase as the Labour Party as the difference you could make if you're in power changing lives.

  • Thank you.

  • We need to have a relationship that allows whales to be its distinctive self, and in order to do that we have to listen and you do not need to hear from the English politician the way in which what it is that you want to do.

  • We need to be in proper discussions with you.

  • I never want to see again.

  • I never want to be in the position again where I was in Wales when the announcement on broadband was made and I was about to do a television interview and I had no idea what the impact on whales was going to be. 00:14:59.020 --> 00:15:5.310 It wasn't clear from the briefings we were getting from London, and to be honest, you that the Welsh office didn't know about this decision. 00:15:5.320 --> 00:15:8.820 The announcement is being made and it was very difficult for them to know how to respond. 00:15:9.440 --> 00:15:10.300 What a fiasco.

  • This is not the way that we should do things.

  • We need to make sure that whales has powers that it wishes tohave and that it is distinctive.

  • But it also needs to make sure that it has the funding, because whales is not an area that whales is an area with distinctive problems and needs to ensure that it is properly supported.

  • Because in the United Kingdom we have solidarity.

  • When we stick together.

  • Thank you.

  • Just gonna jump in the surf mentioned if we just do the same order a zoo result.

  • Same questions.

  • Police first.

  • There's an assembly election here 15 months that many people in this room are acutely aware when already thinking about, if not planning.

  • How do you see that relationship working in terms of election on what you gonna do to back up the people in this room as they go out on the doorsteps for what looks like it could be quite an interesting fight.

  • And so festival. 00:15:56.260 --> 00:16:1.910 I think that we need to talk up the successes off the Welsh labour government right now while people are paying attention. 00:16:1.910 --> 00:16:4.820 This doesn't start on April the fourth when we elect a new leader. 00:16:5.140 --> 00:16:12.800 Secondly, I think we have to know what is going on here in Wales and too often found in Westminster that we simply don't on when we're attacked.

  • We can't defend it.

  • Thirdly, I don't understand why we're giving applied camera free ride when we share.

  • When we agreed to share platforms with them, it should be the leader of the Welsh labour government who is sharing that platform with Adam Price, not the leader of the UK Labour government.

  • Because otherwise all we do is give them a free ride.

  • Thank you, Rebecca.

  • I think there's a question of resource is and making sure that our Welsh colleagues are equipped to be able to fight this election. 00:16:44.800 --> 00:17:0.650 And we should be asking for our constituencies in England to come over and help throughout this election process, whether it's those in Liverpool and soul food in the North, all the way through to the constituencies on the border in the South, because that's the level of support that's required to protect our heart lungs here. 00:17:0.750 --> 00:17:5.910 We also need to talk about the great work that our Wells Wells colleagues are doing on the checks. 00:17:5.910 --> 00:17:7.530 For example, free prescriptions. 00:17:7.530 --> 00:17:13.300 Many people don't know that that's the case, certainly outside of Wales, free parking is another element on.

  • We've got to make the case against colts.

  • £4 billion worth of courts is destroying our ability to be able to deliver.

  • The service is that our communities require that's similar with all local charities across England.

  • But it's even Maur intense here in Wales, and we've got to tell our communities what's really happening here.

  • What's in it.

  • Those elections next year really important.

  • We think we've got until 2024 until the next general election.

  • We happened.

  • We've got until next year for the wealth elections and they really really matter.

  • That's why I came down this week to start the discussion with wealth members, activists and colleagues about what we need to do and in particular the reasons that we lost this general election. 00:17:58.290 --> 00:18:1.060 And they were similar to, in some cases different to the global. 00:18:1.070 --> 00:18:2.560 The picture across the United Kingdom. 00:18:2.690 --> 00:18:28.940 What I said when I left it was only Thursday night was if I'm leaving Labour Party, I'll come straight back down to whales just to continue that discussion and start that campaign because we need to make the case for an even stronger Welsh government so we can show what we do in power, which is fantastic things that change lives here in Wales, you, our campaign and whales.

  • A lot I like whales, feels like it feels like a second home in many ways and we need to be able to make sure that people understand that labour is in power in Wales and makes a difference whether it is announcing the climate emergency and being the first government to do so.

  • Whether or not. 00:18:43.000 --> 00:19:1.670 It is taking over the trains and showing the way in terms of nationalizing trains, whether it's making sure that social care is properly linked up with health care, whether it's ensuring that there is a there is not the fragmentation that we suffer from the rest of the United Kingdom, with academies, all of these things, that successes and all of these things are showing the way on. 00:19:1.670 --> 00:19:12.520 We also need to take the fight to the Tory government, particularly when it comes to agricultural payments, because if we're going to get powers back from the European Union, the worry will be that the Welsh farm minister won't be making the decisions anymore.

  • They're making in London on We have to fight back because that's a vital part of Welsh economy.

  • So our third question is from Anthony Banas Otter from Cardiff.

  • North Anthony would like to know, should essential service is be run on a not a not for profit system.

  • E j rail bus, water, et cetera, et cetera.

  • Beck could start this time, please.

  • Yes, a very firmly believe that economic justice is about an economy that builds for the common good.

  • It's about Making sure that we are delivering those human rights is an essential service is to our communities.

  • That's why I've said that public ownership of rail, mail, water and energy should be supported by all leadership candidates.

  • I've said that we should stop. 00:19:56.340 --> 00:20:4.450 The outsourcing of our public service is, and we should end source now, whether it's the N hs or local authorities to end the scoured of privatization. 00:20:4.670 --> 00:20:14.880 And I've also said that we shouldn't water down our climate change commitments, our target to deliver the vast majority of emissions by 2030 and to commit to the plan that sits alongside that.

  • Because that's the only way that will democratize our economy and deliver the wealth and prosperity to the pans of the people who really need it.

  • Thank you.

  • Yes, public service is in public hands.

  • You shouldn't be making money out of ill health in a mile road of criminal justice.

  • You shouldn't privatize criminal justice and make money out of that system.

  • So public service is in public hands.

  • Let's have a system that works.

  • I'm not in favor of top down when it comes to the delivery of public service is I think we need common ownership. 00:20:57.430 --> 00:21:1.480 We need to have a discussion about how these are in public hands, but from the bottom up. 00:21:1.640 --> 00:21:8.410 So they run according to local priorities, with real democratic accountability to the people that the service's were actually being delivered to. 00:21:8.480 --> 00:21:10.330 So yes, to the principal.

  • Yes, public service is in public hands.

  • Let's think about bottom up, common ownership.

  • So it's actually closer to people that they could influence the service that is being delivered to thank you, Emily.

  • So it's amazing, isn't it?

  • How we have nationalized railway, that in other countries that own bits of our railway and make a profit out of that I mean, how do we get into that situation?

  • How can it be that people make a profit out of the need for others to drink water?

  • None of this is right if we want to have a green industrial revolution, if we want to make sure that we have proper infrastructure and quite frankly, we cannot get those private companies to make the investment that we want them to, we cannot get them to agree to our agenda and our priorities. 00:21:59.150 --> 00:22:3.250 Then, yes, we should take him over because In the end, we have to be really serious about these things. 00:22:3.250 --> 00:22:4.890 We need to have proper delivery off. 00:22:4.890 --> 00:22:9.160 Public service is, and quite frankly, they should not be simply open to private profit. 00:22:9.350 --> 00:22:10.550 They are there for the people.

  • They're there for its service.

  • We do not need to be there, the private profit.

  • But yes, we should run.

  • Our public service is for people and not for profit.

  • But we can be far more ambitious than they.

  • Surely it's a nonsense.

  • Anyone who's looked at the debacle around electrification wouldn't look at our rail service is and think that the answer is to give more power to grant chaps in Westminster Or, God forbid, Chris Grayling.

  • We should be mutual izing our railways and putting those powers back locally, regionally devolved powers put into public hands.

  • Why are we talking about giving big subsidies to the Big Six?

  • Energy companies went over in Plymouth yesterday. 00:22:55.200 --> 00:23:1.940 I saw how labor councils across this country are actually putting these Interpublic hands, so we run them for ourselves on. 00:23:1.940 --> 00:23:6.340 Why are we only talking about things like royal mail, water and rail? 00:23:6.350 --> 00:23:11.220 When the world's most powerful commodity is data and It is currently used for private, not for public.

  • Good.

  • Thank you very much.

  • There were a lot of questions on this topic.

  • So we're gonna ask the 2nd 1 start with key this time.

  • So Andrew Carter arrest Has the private privatization of public assets being a complete failure, or have there been any benefit for the general public?

  • So start with Kate.

  • Please.

  • I think they've been pretty, well, a complete failure.

  • If you look a privatization in criminal justice, none of it has worked on anybody who uses the trains anywhere across the United Kingdom.

  • Doesn't need much persuading about the failure of trains.

  • So of course we need to have this debate.

  • But that's ground this debate. 00:23:52.240 --> 00:24:1.550 Because if we lose the next general election, the chances of actually bring any rail networks across the United Kingdom into public ownership of very, very low. 00:24:2.440 --> 00:24:4.820 Most of the franchise is air up in this parliament. 00:24:5.440 --> 00:24:6.940 The others are up in the next parliament. 00:24:7.090 --> 00:24:12.380 There's only two that won't be re franchised within the next 10 years for 10 or 15 years.

  • So if we're serious about this, when we really want to change things were gonna win the general election to do it.

  • Thanks very much, anything over two.

  • I think it's just extraordinary to think that there are private companies making profits out of the probation service and prisons.

  • How can it be that we can allow that to happen, that they will be given a certain amount of money?

  • But they have to hold some back in order to make a profit in a profitable prison?

  • What is a profitable prison?

  • How can we have got into this place?

  • We need to start winning the arguments back again. 00:24:52.810 --> 00:25:7.160 We need to start talking with confidence and clarity about just how we have lost our way as a country because there are basic service is that our public service is that should be running for the public by the public and certainly not for private profit. 00:25:7.440 --> 00:25:8.830 We need to have mixed economy. 00:25:8.830 --> 00:25:9.540 Of course we do. 00:25:9.790 --> 00:25:15.530 But there are certain things that is the public's responsibility and it's not a responsibility of the private sector.

  • Thank you.

  • I saw the enormous damage that it did when I worked with Children in immigration detention before was elected to parliament.

  • Families who were forcibly put onto planes, Children who were locked up for months on end with mental health problems.

  • One child I'll never forget who attempted suicide, an immigration detention because we outsource that to the private sector.

  • And it was wrong with the interests of profit, not people in mind.

  • I want to close down the aisles.

  • Would I make no mistake about it?

  • But privatization of our public service is commodification off our people, and it has to end. 00:25:56.830 --> 00:26:1.410 There is a better way the Welsh Labour government is showing it with the work on social partnerships. 00:26:1.520 --> 00:26:5.740 You bring trade unions and employers together, and you like the path to a better world. 00:26:5.760 --> 00:26:8.660 It's something we should follow across the rest of the United Kingdom.

  • No, it hasn't been successful.

  • And go as far to say is that it's created bandit capitalism.

  • If you look just a few elements, water and energy is one example.

  • We've got millions of people living in fuel poverty because they can't afford to pay their energy bills.

  • And yet you've got water companies and energy companies prioritizing dividend extraction, overinvestment in critical infrastructure.

  • We have a huge economic opportunity here through public ownership, not just to bring bills down for people would also to kickstart investment in our economies and support businesses and industry.

  • So any argument that says that public ownership is bad for business is completely wrong.

  • The government has a moral role to increase prosperity in our economy and make people's lives better. 00:26:57.870 --> 00:27:1.260 And it does that through strategic public ownership and investment. 00:27:2.840 --> 00:27:13.620 On Drew's question, there was a bean any benefits at all to general public, just in the same older.

  • So start with Kia.

  • Will you just give us a yes No.

  • One?

  • So whether you think they have Bean, I think Rebecca did say no, but I'm not sure what anyone else did.

  • You Yes or no.

  • Emily Lisa, I think.

  • No.

  • But I do think this binary debate, where we don't recognize that there's a role to bring in the private sector in order to enlist their help in raising standards is a real problem.

  • And I don't want us to get into this sort of simplistic debate, yes or no good or bad, right or wrong in the Labour Party.

  • I think our members and I think the public deserves better than that from Rebecca.

  • I just thought if I think I do.

  • So it was No, no.

  • From three.

  • In a maybe.

  • No.

  • And your next question s Oh, this will be to Emily first, please.

  • So this is from Elliot pen from Cardiff South and pan out.

  • A divided party never wins. 00:27:59.930 --> 00:28:0.620 How would you know? 00:28:0.630 --> 00:28:6.170 You unite all sides of the Labour Party on What have you done in your own CLP to demonstrate this? 00:28:7.690 --> 00:28:8.820 I'm not sectarian. 00:28:8.830 --> 00:28:10.430 I never have been sectarian.

  • I have never belonged to any particular group.

  • I come from the heart of the Labour Party.

  • I was born in the party.

  • I will die in the party.

  • The Labour Party is my home.

  • I will do everything I can to make sure that we're successful.

  • But we could only be successful if we fight together, we have to stand together and fight back.

  • And I know actually that when the Labour Party has his back against the wall, we don't fight each other.

  • You know, we stand and we fight back.

  • That's what we have to do now.

  • And it seems to me that every day that we spend fighting each other is a day that we waste because that's the day that when we should be fighting the Tories.

  • We were created as a party is a party of working people for power.

  • And quite frankly, we need to be a little bit more focused on that, because if we don't get power and we are nothing and we have to deliver to working people, so we have to stick together.

  • Of course we're a coalition on the left on. 00:28:57.230 --> 00:29:1.450 There will be things we disagree on, but 95% of it were agree on. 00:29:1.450 --> 00:29:4.490 So for heaven's sake, let's focus on that. 00:29:4.560 --> 00:29:11.700 We need a candidate that's going to take us forward, not to the left or to the right, but take us forward and get us to win the next election.

  • Never again must this happen.

  • When they held the rehearsals for the Olympic Games, Danny Boyle said to his volunteers for the opening ceremony, You can tweet, you can film, you can text, you can post, but I just rather that you didn't.

  • And so over the course of several months, hundreds of volunteers coming together putting in thousands of hours and not a single thing leaked.

  • Why?

  • Because they he trusted them, so they trusted him.

  • This is about respect.

  • I want to see a really empowered Democratic movement, one in which everybody knows that they have a stake, one that everybody knows that they have a role to play in driving us forward. 00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:0.060 That's what we've done in my CLP. 00:30:0.060 --> 00:30:21.070 And that's what we need to do in this party, not just reducing this to a nonsense debate about getting rid of labor and peas rather than focusing on getting rid of Torrey ones, but really power for our members to Dr decision making in every region, a nation off this country, so that we can become the force that we need to be to take on the Tories and wind power in four years time, innit?

  • We've not been a united Party for the last four years, and I don't want to go through another four years like this ever again.

  • We were created all those years ago is a broad church to bring together all views on the center left, even though we were all different in a coalition to provide a force that would keep the Tories out of power for good.

  • And yes, we don't agree with each other.

  • All of the time and yes, it's healthy to have different groups within the party pushing different policy platforms.

  • But we have our arguments in private. 00:30:55.630 --> 00:31:2.100 We reach agreement on when we've done that, we unite and we unite behind the elected leader of this party. 00:31:2.290 --> 00:31:3.190 I will do that. 00:31:3.190 --> 00:31:15.760 I'm sure everyone else on this I think this is about favoring getting rid of Labour MPs over Tory MPs.

  • This is getting the best talent to become our Labour MPs.

  • Trusting our members to be oh way have to pull together and that will be my first task as leader to unite our party.

  • We'd be taking lumps out of each other.

  • When we argue with each other, we're not gonna win.

  • The fight against the tour is on all the others that we need to get into power, so we need to pull together.

  • It's an old saying that divided parties don't win elections and that's because it is true what we've done in my parties.

  • We've run a number of campaigns around universal credit to bring people together around an issue that they feel passionate about.

  • We had a meeting for people who were identified to come to one ward meet You never came back on. 00:31:59.950 --> 00:32:4.660 When we met them, they were full of energy and they told us what needed to change to include them in it. 00:32:4.800 --> 00:32:15.400 And when we campaigned in the thistle action and I saw this across the whole United Kingdom, I saw hundreds, if not thousands, of members and activists of trust United Kingdom, who came together.

  • And I knew that they had different political views and I knew they didn't agree on everything.

  • But they put their baggage down on a campaign together as one on.

  • That's the sort of Labour party I will lead.

  • And I will run one that campaigns as one behind the leader and call in a professional hazard.

  • But when you don't actually question, I'm gonna pull you well upon it.

  • And the second part of that was, what have you done in your own seal piece to demonstrate its and realized I hadn't said that we sat with them on the way down the line.

  • Actually, I haven't had problems.

  • I'm pointed to people who I know from.

  • My kids have been in my constituency.

  • We don't have problems with division.

  • Actually, we have.

  • We have respect.

  • We have mutual way disagree with each other. 00:32:59.170 --> 00:33:2.680 But we work together and we are an outward looking campaigning party. 00:33:2.850 --> 00:33:6.700 And frankly, when I was first elected in my condition, we had a majority of 484. 00:33:6.710 --> 00:33:8.400 We had nothing but lived in counselors. 00:33:8.540 --> 00:33:11.670 Now we have only labor counselors, and I have a majority of 18,000.

  • And that is because we stick together and we fight back.

  • And that's what we do.

  • And I lead from the front and then do that later party.

  • You need a campaigner in chief who keeps us as one.

  • Thank you.

  • Well, that's why I said, This is about respect and it's about power because my members are my anchor.

  • They are the people who are go to when I've got difficult decisions to make my members of my constituents on my heart land and they are my base.

  • And that's one of the reasons why I really reject this idea, that our job is to get rid of labor and peas and not story ones, because I believe that we should trust our members. 00:33:49.360 --> 00:34:6.100 And that's why I say that in recent years the parachute, the stick, chumps, the friends of the leader being able to be the candidates over and above The choice of local party members is really disrespectful and it's damaging and it stops us from winning elections and that's what we need to stop. 00:34:6.110 --> 00:34:10.660 So we get the best people representing this party out there in the country on winning power.

  • Thank you, Theo.

  • So so on the on the point that at least is just made that I feel the need to respond to so we shouldn't have top down selection of our MPs.

  • That's the whole point of having open selections so that our members are empowered to do that.

  • I agree with that point.

  • Getting rid of our story and peas, we have got to let the best of our talent rise to our party like Alexandria Keizo quarters in America.

  • If they can select through open selection that we should be doing a similar thing here in the UK played Salford to come back to the point about how we bring our party together.

  • We love a good ding dong on policy and solve it.

  • We have political education in our constituency because we know that it's so important. 00:34:57.830 --> 00:35:3.930 We have a conference every year in soul food, where we all come together with our different views and thrash out policies. 00:35:4.130 --> 00:35:9.980 And then we agree on what the final proposition should be to go to conference, and that's how our party should operate. 00:35:9.990 --> 00:35:14.960 That's a healthy floor, a list party, and that's why I'm proud of what we do in my constituency.

  • Let's look outward.

  • No inwards.

  • We're a party of 580,000 members and we got the trade union movement and affiliated movements with us.

  • That is an incredible fighting force, the biggest political party in Europe.

  • We should celebrate that.

  • Obviously, people are gonna just gonna agree on everything.

  • You can expect 580,000 people to agree on everything, But you can create the atmosphere which there could be robust, a really good debate where everybody's voice is heard and then a decision is made, which people respect.

  • And I think that's the way we ought to do politics.

  • I think we can do politics in that way. 00:35:56.330 --> 00:36:0.610 I think most people are used to it because in everyday life, in most jobs, that's what happens. 00:36:0.800 --> 00:36:8.770 People have different views, they talk about it, they come together as a collective decision on when our passion and commitment and dedication comes together. 00:36:8.830 --> 00:36:10.650 We're in unstoppable movement.

  • We need to build that as we go forward.

  • A united fighting party looking outwards always and celebrating the fact we are so strong.

  • Thank you.

  • Elliott thinks we got somewhere near the answer that I will leave it to him to decide.

  • And the next question is from Dave.

  • Middleton was not released her on this one S o Davison, Cardiff North.

  • So Greta turn Burger said that the governments of both the left and the right have failed her generation by setting targets with no plan to achieve them as leader.

  • What will you do to reassure young climate activists that labor offers them a home?

  • And so I was very proud to be the shadow energy and climate change secretary who called for a green industrial revolution five years ago. 00:36:55.950 --> 00:37:0.380 But then I went back to Wigan and I found that people didn't have the faintest clue what I was talking about. 00:37:0.860 --> 00:37:17.850 And I think one of the things that we have to do is take the radicalism and the dynamism of the offer that labor has always had from the foundation of the national parks movement all the way through to the work that John Prescott dead, and then Gordon Brown giving us the first climate change secretary in the world's first climate change act.

  • We need to take a lot of history in that radicalism on that desire to go further and faster in tackling the greatest challenge that we have, and we need to turn it into real concrete action on the ground.

  • That's one of the things that the Welsh Labour government has done here.

  • In championing projects like the Swansea Title Lagoon, we've got to show people that this means better jobs, better public transport, better home insulation, lower energy bills, better lives right around.

  • This country is exciting and it's radical and that's what labor has to say.

  • Thank you, Lisa.

  • The question is a really good one, because targets without a planet completely pointless. 00:37:56.020 --> 00:38:2.640 But we need targets because we are running out of time and we're not in government and ask. 00:38:2.730 --> 00:38:10.860 The scale of the challenge in 2024 is going to be even greater if we don't take action now to press the government to take the data collection required.

  • We had a green industrial revolution in our manifesto.

  • It would have tackled climate change.

  • But it was the biggest economic opportunity we've ever seen in this country to re industrialize, to rebuild communities that have been savaged by this conservative government on the planet that we put forward 30 things by 2030 was formulated from our members through to academic and industrial experts.

  • We have a plan, we can't water that down.

  • And we have got to force the government to implement every single part of it because time is not on our hands.

  • Thank you.

  • We have to have targets and we need to enforce them.

  • We need to celebrate some of what's being done by our local authorities and work by Welsh labour here in Wales. 00:38:59.080 --> 00:39:1.170 But we need to enforce these targets. 00:39:1.170 --> 00:39:7.600 We need legislation to enforce them on the ground in the public sector where it's easier to do it and also in the private sector. 00:39:7.720 --> 00:39:15.670 Why shouldn't private companies have to report in to companies house on the impact of what they're doing to the environment as well as the impact to finances?

  • It should be part of good governance, but We also need to go up.

  • We can't do this in the United Kingdom alone.

  • We need much stronger international agreement.

  • I think what we've got so far Paris is the best is just not strong enough because it's an assessment of an audit of what countries are doing.

  • It's not enforcement on until that turns into enforcement across different countries.

  • We won't solve this just in one country alone.

  • It's why we need to be internationalist in everything that way.

  • I was really proud of the role that I played in bringing in the Climate Change act.

  • I'm working on that bill through the Department of Energy and Climate Change. 00:39:57.420 --> 00:40:1.520 I was really proud to be on the delegation that went to Copenhagen where we took a world lead. 00:40:1.840 --> 00:40:9.260 Then that wasn't off a long time ago and what's happened since then we have just been drifting and as the more we drifted, more hopeless people feel more helpless. 00:40:9.260 --> 00:40:17.430 People feel what we need to do is we need to have a clear plan we need not only of course, to have targets and Britain needs to show the way in terms of how it is that we do it on.

  • We need to be able to have things which are measurable so that we say we are doing this in Swansea because it'll cut carbon by this amount.

  • You know, in the last 30 years, half of the carbon in the atmosphere has been breathed out.

  • We breathe out guilt but frankly, if we just talk or we don't do anything with just breathing at more carbon.

  • So of course we need to be doing things ourselves within our country.

  • But we also any any carbon which is which comes out in in Garner Is Justus fatal to us is carbons breathe out in Grimsby.

  • So we need to be doing the right thing in the UK and showing that there is a way and that there is hope and you can do it and there is a plan and yes, you can be done.

  • But then we need to export that across the world with our through technology. 00:40:57.070 --> 00:41:4.680 But also we need to be doing it through the Department of International Development so that countries, so that we export the green New Deal because that's the only way it's gonna work. 00:41:5.110 --> 00:41:19.920 And we have to be hopeful and we have to be positive because we have no other choice from some things a little further away from home, maybe to something an awful lot nearer S o.

  • This is from Gareth Howls from oak.

  • More CLP.

  • It's about Welsh independence.

  • Eso, it seems, with increasing likely hood that within the next few years Scotland will become independent on island will become one.

  • How should the Labour Party react on?

  • What does this scenario mean for whales?

  • So we'll start with Rebecca.

  • Well, as I said earlier, I think we need to work very closely with our Welsh colleagues on Dhe.

  • It's not a question of what powers would you like to have from Westminster? 00:41:46.450 --> 00:42:5.230 It's an assumption that whales goetzel the powers it needs from Westminster, and then it decides which one's it wants to share, whether that's defense, whether that's foreign policy, because we need to make sure that our Welsh parliament is autonomous and has the power that it deserves and isn't viewed as a satellite in the same way that the Scottish Parliament is now. 00:42:5.230 --> 00:42:25.530 It's also about our colleagues in Westminster supporting our Welsh colleagues in developing the case for that collaborative relationship between Westminster on the Welsh Parliament on industrial strategy on everything from investment in things like swan debate, Tidal lagoon all the way through to offshore wind off the coast of North Wales.

  • We need that collaboration on.

  • We need to paint that picture and tell that story and as much detail as we possibly can to our communities because it's easy to blame those nearest to you when you face £4 billion worth of courts and our communities are struggling.

  • But it's certainly not our Welsh colleagues in Welsh labour who have done that and they need our support.

  • I don't accept the premise of the question that it's inevitable in Scotland that Scotland will become independent and I think we need to make a different argument. 00:42:58.810 --> 00:43:1.380 I've been up in Scotland without colleagues earlier this week. 00:43:1.390 --> 00:43:6.550 We're stuck between independence as the argument or the status quo and neither is right. 00:43:6.760 --> 00:43:11.920 We need to make radical case for devolution and federalism in Scotland and in Wales.

  • Naturalism is about pulling apart.

  • It's about borders is putting up differences between people.

  • I believe in solidarity across borders and I think, with radical federalism in Scotland.

  • In Wales, where Maur Powers are closer to people on where Westminster diverges itself of powers is the way forward.

  • But let's not accept this binary choice, the status quo or pulling people further apart and putting in for the borders.

  • The last thing we need as we leave the EU is to put more borders up, more differences within the United Kingdom.

  • Let's make a radical case that is different to that.

  • Let's make it loudly.

  • And we haven't done that enough in the last few years. 00:44:0.890 --> 00:44:1.180 Thank you. 00:44:1.720 --> 00:44:6.100 We were talking in the green Room earlier about what do we do if we completely agree with one another? 00:44:9.490 --> 00:44:14.110 I agree with I actually have the words that here is written down on this note paper.

  • What am I supposed to do?

  • I mean, the truth is, this right is that at a time of Brexit when everyone is feeling insecure, the last thing we want to do is continue to fracture.

  • We have to bind together.

  • We have to remember what we have in common on.

  • We need to make sure that we stick together in solidarity.

  • We have to be there making the arguments.

  • Absolutely no more walls, no more fracturing at a time when it's going to be really difficult, particular somewhere like whales that has received so much funding from the European Union.

  • The last thing you want is to go independent from the rest of the United Kingdom.

  • Of course, that's right, you know.

  • And of course, we need to continue to know that we can weaken, devolved.

  • Of course, we are the party of devolution.

  • And yes, there is something in the arguments about about Maur devolution and an assault acquired by federal estate.

  • We need to be thinking about that, and that's how we need to go forward.

  • But we do not split up. 00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:0.010 Not at a time like this. 00:45:0.010 --> 00:45:3.000 We need to stick together, and frankly, we have huge benefits. 00:45:3.010 --> 00:45:7.890 We have always had few big, huge benefits of being stronger together, and we will continue to be stronger together. 00:45:7.970 --> 00:45:11.180 But we need to get out in the front foot and be a bit more confident about arguing it.

  • Theo, I think we need to draw a distinction between those people who are attracted by independence and applied to don't have the answers to the problems that they face on.

  • I I spent a lot of time in North Wales over the last few years.

  • And just like back home in Wigan, people feel very shut out from the center of power, not just from power in Westminster, but also quite often power in Cardiff as well.

  • So I think federalism is the start.

  • But it's not the only answer, because in real, where I spend a lot of time and Flint where I was on Monday, people need much more power over their own lives. 00:45:54.210 --> 00:46:6.490 So this settlement that we build, it has to run from North Wells and the valleys all the way to Cardiff, Andi then from Cardiff to London or the other end of the end for his Rodri Morgan used to call it Thank you.

  • You gonna jump over the same art again there.

  • So it's not a record.

  • But there is a discussion here about independence.

  • And there is a narrative from some of your opposition parties here where they are gonna keep bringing it to the four.

  • So for the avoidance of doubt, if there were a Welsh independence referendum or there's a campaign for it, where would you stand record if the Welsh Parliament had assembly determined that that's what they wanted to do.

  • I think that we could not as a Democratic party, stand in the way of that decision, what I would not become paining for independence and I'd be making a very strong case for the ongoing collaboration.

  • But we've got to view Wales and Scotland is autonomous in their own right by giving them the powers that they deserve and they don't have those at the moment. 00:46:55.090 --> 00:47:3.590 And I think that underlies a lot of the problems that we're seeing that we also need to say more collaboration between our Welsh and Scottish colleagues on this very issue. 00:47:4.380 --> 00:47:5.090 Great, thank you.

  • But de evolution's a process, not an event, and I think we should develop more.

  • But I think independence is a wrong turn.

  • I think that puts up areas.

  • If we devolved more and we should, that should be to the world government.

  • It should be beyond that as well.

  • It needs to go into communities.

  • Many people feel alienated from whatever government they have, whether that's whales, local authorities or other governments, so we need to put power closer to people.

  • I think if we've learned anything from the referendum it's that deep sense that people have the decisions about them ought to be made by them and with a mom.

  • That's whether it's in their local two tenants association, that community group of whatever it is so devolution needs to be more than just formal powers passing from Westminster to another government.

  • It needs to go right down.

  • So we're actually doing politics from the bottom up, are not the top down, thank you very much. 00:48:5.230 --> 00:48:6.310 What I agree with all that? 00:48:6.310 --> 00:48:8.560 The question is, how would we make a decision? 00:48:8.560 --> 00:48:19.810 What would our position be in a referendum on dhe watch should Labor's position be and it's all very well as talking about being a party of devolution, but we need to kind of apply that to the Labour Party as well.

  • And it seems to me that therefore it is not for me is an English politician to be telling Welsh labour what its policy on this ship, I need to be listening to you.

  • We need to have a bit more close working between between Welsh, Welsh Labour and South Side and Westminster and England we need to be will be able to work these things out together and I think that I mean, I remember coming down on the train with Welsh labour when we were going to the manifesto meeting and quite frankly they hadn't been involved early enough at all. 00:48:48.770 --> 00:49:5.540 You know, we do need to have a bit more respect for each other and frankly, I think that that that London has not had enough respect for Welsh labour and it's about time we started, Emily said. 00:49:5.550 --> 00:49:7.530 Before, what do we do if we all agree with each other? 00:49:7.530 --> 00:49:12.010 And I said so we could just go to the pub, carry on this conversation there.

  • I think that if there's a clamor for an independence referendum like Becky is not right for us to stand in the way of that.

  • But I would campaign for the union and I will always campaign for the United Kingdom because I don't believe that any of the problems that working class people face in this country is solved by dividing us and by narrow nationalism.

  • But I think this country has also had enough of referendums.

  • We found multiple ways to divide ourselves from each other.

  • We've lost the ability to understand each other.

  • We're about to leave the EU with no plan.

  • It'll about where we're going in the world.

  • Thanks to this horrendous story government, we need to pull together and use the strength of every region and nation in this country in order to not just survive but thrive.

  • Thanks very much. 00:49:59.720 --> 00:50:2.510 The next question is from Dr Gareth Heldman from Cardiff North. 00:50:3.000 --> 00:50:4.950 The N hs is currently in crisis. 00:50:4.960 --> 00:50:9.060 What would the candidates do within the next year to alleviate the current problem? 00:50:9.420 --> 00:50:10.210 Okay, that's one feuds.

  • Start with, please.

  • Well, in the next years, very difficult.

  • We have to work with Welsh Labour Room where we've got power because we're not power in Westminster.

  • The N H s is chronically underfunded.

  • Staffer demoralized.

  • My wife works in the N H s.

  • She's in there like everybody else because they absolutely believe in delivering a service.

  • But they're demoralized because they got more to do every day than they can.

  • I think we need to join up health with mental health on with social care.

  • I think we could look at whales where you've got safe, safe nursing standard's put into legislation.

  • Now I made some real differences, so learn a bit from whales work where we could make a difference what will be in Wales.

  • But recognize that until we win elections.

  • We're not changing N hs in the UK very effectively at all. 00:51:2.460 --> 00:51:7.760 So health and in Wales has devolved and there have been many great initiatives in Wales. 00:51:8.060 --> 00:51:11.690 I think that the initiative on organ donation was absolutely right.

  • I think that the work that you do on preventative work is really important as well.

  • Andi, I think that in the end it is about money when it comes to the health service and we know that the wells has a more elderly population.

  • There is, there is there is greater illness, percent percentage of the population and it simply doesn't get the funding that it needs.

  • So in the next year, with the tour is having an 80 seat majority.

  • It is very difficult to get where you essentially need, which is the additional funding.

  • But the argument needs to continue to be made.

  • That whale stars really well with the funding that it does, and it is imaginative and lateral thinking and it shows the way and it is how labor can be with A with a health service if we were to be in power.

  • But it does need more funding than it gets at the moment.

  • Thank you. 00:52:4.470 --> 00:52:17.130 Many of the challenges that face the chess here of the challenges that face the N hs across the UK, not least the aging population on the answer to this is to get on the front thought to prevent problems from occurring.

  • It's free prescriptions like you've introduced here.

  • It's, um, is mental health care before people reach crisis.

  • But most of all, it's social cat, social cut, social care.

  • We've got to get the service is to people when they need

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Labour leadership past 2020. 00:04:57.340 --> 00:05:2.550 Hello, Welcome to the Labour leadership postings here in Cardiff, City Hole. 00:05:3.130 --> 00:05:8.990 My name's Rick Mazeroski, and it's my job today to keep these in, check on moderate and make sure we stick to time.

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