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  • MENG: Hi.

  • Good morning, my friends.

  • For those who don't know me, my name is Meng.

  • And for those who know me, my name is still Meng.

  • Surprise.

  • I'm Google's Jolly Good Fellow.

  • And one of the people I blame for my jolliness is Dr. Jon

  • Kabat-Zinn.

  • When I was young, I read his first book, this book.

  • And this book deepened my interest and my understanding

  • of meditation.

  • And it is from this meditation that I found inner peace and

  • happiness, and I've been jolly ever since.

  • So it's Jon's fault.

  • I blame you.

  • And Jon has been a hero to me ever since.

  • Now Jon has accomplished many great things in his life.

  • He has a very long bio, and I'm not sure I want to go

  • through his whole bio.

  • So I'll just mention one thing.

  • If history remembers Jon for only one thing, that will be

  • for being the first person to successfully bring meditation

  • into mainstream medicine.

  • And I believe his impact on humanity can

  • only grow over time.

  • And we're honored to have Jon give a meditation class today.

  • My friends, I give you Jon Kabat-Zinn.

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • JON KABAT-ZINN: So what a nice turnout for this time of day,

  • when there are all sorts of other gala events happening, I

  • guess, on campus.

  • I guess the meditators, or those interested in

  • meditation, know that sometimes more hoopla is not

  • necessarily where it's at.

  • Nice to see somebody with a US rowing shirt.

  • One of the adventures that I was in some time ago had to do

  • with training the US Olympic rowing team in mindfulness,

  • back in 1984 at Lake Casitas.

  • And it was really quite an interesting experience, in

  • part because rowers compete sitting down.

  • So learning how to sit is not in some

  • sense relevant to them.

  • They also compete going backwards, which is very

  • interesting.

  • And if you're not in a single, then you're competing with

  • other minds and other bodies in the same boat.

  • And to get that into some kind of harmony and synchrony is

  • non-trivial, and doesn't just have to do with the body.

  • When the mind and body become one, then the boat and the

  • water and the wind and all the minds become one, and

  • something very interesting happens.

  • So I'm really touched that you've come out in the middle

  • of the workday to partake of a--

  • what do you want to call this, a class or a workshop on what

  • could most easily be described as much ado

  • about almost nothing.

  • It's not quite nothing, but it's not so much about doing

  • as about being, or as the Taoists would

  • call it, it's non-doing.

  • And there is a way in which that seems awfully

  • anti-American, since we're such go-getters, and it's all

  • about doing, and getting it done, and crossing off

  • everything on your to do list.

  • But if we get out of touch with who's doing the doing,

  • actually that can be quite tragic.

  • And not just from the point of being so stressed out because

  • you're always running on a treadmill and--

  • have you noticed there's no end to work at Google?

  • There's no end to the workday.

  • I mean you guys define it, because the campus is

  • structured so that you'll never have to go home.

  • You can have a real life, if you want to separate life into

  • that kind of a way.

  • But it's actually, even before there was Google, the digital

  • revolution is actually delocalizing everything, so

  • that there's no workplace anymore, really, because you

  • can work anywhere.

  • There's no work week anymore, because, I

  • mean, there's no workday.

  • So all the boundaries are being confused.

  • But we're still really saddled with a Stone Age mind in a

  • Digital Age world.

  • And that Stone Age mind, unless it has a certain kind--

  • unless it engages in a certain kind of self-education, can

  • really wind up getting stuck in some realms of serious

  • confusion, suffering, being lost, and in fact maybe even--

  • and I just want to throw this out as a possibility--

  • impeding creativity, imagination, real

  • thoughtfulness, real breakthrough-type leadership

  • sensibilities, because we're not running on all cylinders.

  • Or, to use even I think a better metaphor, and one that

  • I like a lot, is that we're living in a

  • multi-dimensional universe.

  • And if you listen to the cosmologists, and the string

  • physicists, and the vacuum energy physicists, and so

  • forth, we're living in a universe that's not even

  • 4-dimensional, it's more like 11, or 26, or whatever it is.

  • And we still haven't really grokked Einstein's

  • contribution of spacetime as four dimensions.

  • So if we are not in touch with the multiple dimensions of our

  • own being-- and there are many hidden dimensions to being

  • embodied in the human lifetime for an unbelievably short

  • period of time--

  • then, in fact, we're kind of in some way trying to get

  • somewhere and get all this doing done

  • without tuning the apparatus.

  • It would be like the Philadelphia philharmonic or

  • some great orchestra, let's say San Francisco Symphony

  • orchestra, playing Beethoven without tuning

  • first. And no matter--

  • they could have the greatest musicians with the greatest

  • instruments in the world, and they still tune first, to

  • themselves and to each other.

  • And so in a sense, I like to say meditation, in some sense

  • you could say it's like tuning your instrument before you

  • take it out on the road.

  • and tuning it in the morning can make a big difference in

  • how the whole day goes, just on a kind of mundane level,

  • never mind all the hidden dimensions of possibility,

  • imagination.

  • And yet it does seem really, in some sense, outside of the

  • common norms of our culture.

  • And so, whether it's in the Bay Area or sort of less

  • charged places like that, it's very easy to kind of accrete a

  • kind of feeling on the part of other people that there's

  • something weird about stillness, or about silence,

  • or about self-reflection, about non-doing.

  • And I want to say there's nothing weird or anti-American

  • about this at all, or un-American about this at all.

  • It's in some sense a recognition of sanity, and

  • that doing and being have always been intimately

  • interrelated, and without some kind of deep reflection, well,

  • where do you think scientific breakthroughs or engineering

  • breakthroughs come from?

  • They all come out of the human mind.

  • And very often they come serendipitously, in the middle

  • of the night or in dreams or whatever.

  • And there have been Nobel Prizes that have come just

  • from like a dream, like a snake eating its tail, and

  • voila, you've got the benzene ring and all

  • the molecular orbitals.

  • And there are lots of instances like that, that in

  • science, it's not what you know.

  • It's what you're willing to know you don't know, and then

  • to linger at that sometimes very uncomfortable place of

  • having banged your head, and banged your head, and banged

  • your head, and gone through a lot of different kinds of

  • solutions, none of which actually lead to

  • any kind of a solution.

  • And all of a sudden you just like, OK.

  • And you don't try to force anything anymore.

  • And you just open.

  • And you go, in some sense, beyond thinking.

  • You go beyond thinking.

  • It's not like you're discounting thought, but in

  • some sense you're giving yourself over to something

  • that's just much bigger that we never get educated around.

  • It never hardly is ever mentioned.

  • Sometimes it might be called intuition.

  • Sometimes it might be called creativity.

  • I call it awareness.

  • When was the last time you had a course in awareness, or it

  • was even mentioned as important in school, aside

  • from, say, people yelling at you if you were looking out

  • the window and the teacher caught you doing it and said,

  • pay attention, as if paying attention was some kind of

  • military discipline, and a bad thing.

  • So from the point of view the meditative traditions, the

  • entire society is suffering from attention deficit

  • hyperactivity disorder, certifiable diagnosis.

  • From the point of view of the meditative traditions, because

  • it's all about doing and there's no

  • recognition of being.

  • So in a sense, there's no place to rest.

  • And what this work is really all about is saying, there is

  • plenty of place to rest, and there's plenty of time.

  • It's not like, oh, you've got to squeeze this into your busy

  • day, because awareness is boundless and infinitely

  • available in every moment, no matter what you're doing.

  • So if the doing is coming, in some sense, out of being, out

  • of awareness, then it's not like, well, I have to find an

  • hour to meditate, and if I can find an hour then

  • to hell with it.

  • Because that's a kind of idealization, that's what in

  • some traditions they call a gaining idea, that now I'm

  • going to meditate to get better at something.

  • I'm going to meditate so that I can be more like a samurai

  • mind, cuts through all, discerns all problems clearly,

  • cuts through the Gordian Knot of it and goes right to the

  • solution, breakthrough after breakthrough.

  • And of course, that's an idealization.

  • Non-doing really means non-doing.

  • And radically speaking, it means giving up wanting

  • anything else to happen in even the next moment, never

  • mind at the end of the day or at the end of a year, in terms

  • of the bottom line, and being willing to just stand in how

  • things are in this moment.

  • Now, I would like this to be interactive and

  • conversational.

  • I can talk for hours about this stuff--

  • I mean, really, I'm embarrassed to say it--

  • because it's so much--

  • well, I would say that for me, meditation is an act of love,

  • and, as I was implying, an act of sanity, just to stop for a

  • fraction of a second and drop.

  • Sometimes I even bring a tennis ball in,

  • like drop into being.

  • You think, well, if I do that, maybe I'll lose my mind.

  • I don't want to go into my mind.

  • Many people I knew and grew up with were Nobel laureates.

  • And I asked one, George Wald, actually, at Harvard, who won

  • the Nobel Prize for color vision, and we--

  • he was my yoga student, and meditations

  • through many years.

  • But before that he said, I don't want to get into

  • meditation.

  • I spent my whole life fine-tuning my thinking mind

  • so that it works.

  • What if I go into meditation, I lose my mind?

  • I say, yes, what if you go into meditation

  • and find your mind?

  • Imagine.

  • You're a big boy, George.

  • You've already won the Nobel Prize.

  • Why are you so worried about losing your mind?

  • We're talking about befriending your mind.

  • We're talking about, in a sense, making friends with

  • this aspect of being that is as worthy of paying attention

  • to as the cones and rods in the eye.

  • So he got into it.

  • And in his old age, he'd sit on the beach and

  • bang a drum and chant.

  • And he was really into it.

  • It didn't make him any stupider.

  • So what I think might be best today is if we actually,

  • rather than me just talking endlessly about this from one

  • angle or another and really have it be kind of

  • advertisement, that we actually practice a little

  • bit, like a laboratory, and we drop in on our own minds, in

  • this moment.

  • Whatever reason you came, I mean, everybody's busy, right?

  • So if you walked into this room there's something really

  • interesting about that.

  • I don't know what it is.

  • And my guess is, on some deep level, you don't

  • know what it is.

  • OK?

  • But it's interesting.

  • You made some kind of a choice.

  • And each one of us will have made that choice

  • for different reasons.

  • Even my choice for why did I come here today.

  • I've got other things to do too.

  • So there's something very interesting going on, a little

  • bit indeterminate, and I see it as an adventure.

  • To sort of just loop back to what I was saying, it's an

  • adventure in finding out who you actually are, and then

  • embodying that in ways that could actually add dimensions,

  • and therefore value, to your life, in ways that are really

  • not conceivable.

  • You can't think your way to what the outcome of this will

  • be and then try to get there, because the irony is, you're

  • already here.

  • You're here in this room.

  • You came.

  • But you're always here.

  • There is no there.

  • Yes, we can formulate goals.

  • That's one of the most amazing things about thought and

  • imagination, is we can project out into the future.

  • And we can develop models for how we're going to go from

  • here to there.

  • But if we don't know here, then the there is going to be

  • colored by what we, in some sense, are unfamiliar with,

  • and unwilling to look at.

  • Tacit assumptions, for instance, have sunk many, many

  • boats in the world of science and engineering, just tacit

  • assumptions that we haven't really paid

  • attention to, because--

  • for whatever, usually emotional reasons.

  • Do emotions--?

  • Do you know what I'm saying?

  • So to be able to--

  • for one period of time, here today, as a laboratory,

  • whether you've been meditating for years and you just want to

  • see one more person coming through Google talking about

  • mindfulness, or whether this is totally new to you and

  • somehow you don't even know why you're

  • here, but you're here.

  • It's what Suzuki Roshi used to call "beginner's mind." And

  • the beginner's mind is not something that you only have

  • at the beginning.

  • The whole point is to cultivate beginner's mind

  • moment by moment.

  • One Korean Zen master that I studied

  • with, named Seung Sahn--

  • who talked in this fantastic English, because he never

  • bothered to learn English grammar, syntax, or words, for

  • that matter, so he could communicate to Americans in

  • ways that just--

  • he just called it "don't know mind." And he would talk about

  • it like this, who am I?

  • He'd do this like, who am I?

  • That's a fundamental meditative question.

  • Who am I or what am I?

  • And then he'd sit in his robes, and bald head, and

  • gnarled Zen stick that he used to beat his students with

  • metaphorically.

  • He'd say, who am I?

  • And he'd say, don't know.

  • And keeping that not knowing is the best way to interface

  • between the known and the unknown at the edge of

  • creativity and science, or, for that

  • matter, in family life.

  • You think you know who your children are?

  • Forget it.

  • You'll never know who your children are.

  • You think you know who you're sleeping with?

  • Forget it.

  • You'll never--

  • or, at least, you'll have to get out of your own way an

  • awful lot to not just see the projections onto that person

  • of your own mind.

  • And then it's like it does, in some sense, denature

  • relationships.

  • Even if, I love you, honey, but if it's all about me, it

  • may actually turn toxic.

  • Is it any wonder like, you know, my wife left me.

  • What happened?

  • I don't know.

  • She just left one day.

  • Oh, I see.

  • That was the first symptom?

  • Yes, it might have been, if you're-- in unawareness, you

  • don't pay any attention to the signs and symptoms, and all of

  • a sudden like whammo, you're hit with a heart attack.

  • But it's very unlikely that that was the first symptom.

  • Sometimes, with sudden cardiac death actually, the first

  • symptom is your last. But usually, there are all sorts

  • of prodromal warning signs, whether it's relationships or

  • relationship to your own body and health.

  • And if you're not paying attention to them, the body or

  • the world is going to up the ante to try to get you to wake

  • up while you still have a chance to come to your senses.

  • And it's the senses, in a sense--

  • it's the senses that are fundamentally the only way we

  • can know the world.

  • And there are many more than five senses. and the Buddhists

  • include mind itself as a sense, because you can see

  • without seeing.

  • If your mind is not tuned in, you can see all sorts of

  • things and not see them.

  • You can hear all sorts of things and not hear.

  • I mean, have you ever had anybody who loves you a lot

  • say, well, you never listen to me.

  • Of course, because we're just listening to ourselves, the

  • story of me, and where I'm going and how great it is, or

  • how depressing it is and how unworthy I am.

  • And it's like, me, me, me, I, I, I.

  • So the heart of this whole thing is to begin to

  • examine, who am I?

  • Because you're not what you think.

  • And someone once gave me a t-shirt that said,

  • "Meditation.

  • It's not what you think. " And it's true.

  • So one thing in medicine that's really important that

  • we train the medical students in a lot now, but it's amazing

  • how you have to even train people in this, because it's

  • not so common sensical.

  • Don't put a desk between you and the patient.

  • Don't sit back as the big authority and say, well, let

  • me help you.

  • Move in.

  • Cultivate a certain kind of appropriate distance, not

  • instant intimacy, but at the same time something even

  • deeper than intimacy, which is what I would call recognition.

  • Oh, a human being has walked in, usually in pain of one

  • kind or another, frightened, doesn't know what they have.

  • Just fixing them is not adequate medicine.

  • So medicine, as this man was implying, is changing

  • tremendously.

  • And I'll just say, as part of my little advertisement for

  • some of the dimensions in which we work-- because it's

  • much bigger than health care and medicine.

  • I started out doing this in medicine, in terms of bringing

  • mindfulness into the mainstream of institutions.

  • Medicine and meditation sound a lot alike, don't they?

  • They come from the same root meaning.

  • So there's something about being human that we have been

  • ignoring, and I would say up to now, at our peril.

  • And if we can bring being and doing together, the doing is

  • going to be much more magnificent, and at the same

  • time, perhaps much more balanced, much less smoke and

  • heat, and much more light, and clarity, and breakthrough.

  • And at the same time, we can do that in a way that's not

  • dualistic, like at the expense of our lives or of our

  • relationships, or our children, or, for that matter,

  • our health and our body, or other aspects of our mind that

  • we feel like are interests that we never have time for,

  • because we are so addicted to getting things done.

  • All right.

  • So how many of you are old-time meditators, whatever

  • that means to you?

  • Raise your hands.

  • How many of you are brand new to it, this is the first time

  • you've come to anything having to do meditation and you'd

  • rather be wearing a mask or something to disguise you.

  • OK.

  • Wonderful.

  • And then everybody in between.

  • How many of you used to have a meditation-- none of you are

  • old enough, maybe, or very few of you are old enough, I can

  • see, to used to have a meditation in the '60s or

  • whatever, and then fell off the wagon and wished you could

  • get back, but every time you try it's too

  • hard and you don't.

  • Anybody like that?

  • Yes.

  • Welcome.

  • OK.

  • So let's start from first principles, OK?

  • We talked about beginner's mind.

  • Let's just start from the beginning.

  • We only have moments in which to live.

  • The future is a concept.

  • A very useful concept, I'm not putting it down.

  • The past, memory, is also a concept.

  • But the only time in which our lives are unfolding is now.

  • And now has some very, very interesting properties that if

  • we learn to inhabit now more, with awareness, it's almost as

  • if the universe becomes your teacher.

  • Because there's no boundary to this, there's

  • no boundary to awareness.

  • You can't put your finger on where your awareness stops.

  • If you want to go and right now have lunch with somebody

  • in a restaurant in LA, even if the restaurant's not open, you

  • can open a restaurant, have dinner, lunch, dinner,

  • whatever, with that person, right now, because of

  • imagination.

  • No problem.

  • You can have a Google mind and just hold the whole world, and

  • everything that's being searched for right in this

  • moment in Google.

  • And you can go meditate on whatever that selective span

  • of Google searches is that's going on in the main lobby.

  • And it's only some fraction of what's really going on.

  • Even in your own mind, if you start to pay attention to

  • anything in your mind, it's only some small fraction of

  • the universe of things that are going on in your mind.

  • And yet if I ask you to show me your mind,

  • where would you point?

  • You'd point to the head.

  • Sorry.

  • Mind and brain may not be the same thing.

  • The brain we can point to.

  • The mind is a little more interesting.

  • That's why Zen masters will often say, show me your mind,

  • and then wait to see what you do.

  • It's a little bit like taking a number on one of those old

  • fashioned adding machines, and dividing it by zero.

  • And you still-- cachunk, cachunk, cachunk, cachunk,

  • cachunk, and nothing ever happens.

  • And that can be a very powerful way of waking people

  • up to these other dimensions.

  • OK.

  • So what we know, we have a body, relatively speaking, and

  • we're here now.

  • So let's see if we can tune in to now, for no other reason

  • than just for fun.

  • OK?

  • Just not to get anywhere, to be more relaxed, to become a

  • great meditator, to break through some problems that

  • you're having, whatever it is, but to just see if you can

  • hold this moment in awareness.

  • You don't even have to shift your posture.

  • Just hold this moment in awareness.

  • Now, there's a lot going on, because as I said, I mean even

  • if we limit it to five senses, if your eyes are

  • open they're seeing.

  • Your ears you can't close, so there's hearing.

  • Your nose you can't close, so there's some kind of sensing

  • going on through the nose, some aroma of rug and wall.

  • There's whatever the sensations are in the mouth.

  • And there's the contact of the back with the back of the

  • chair, and your butt with the chair.

  • And if you're on the floor--

  • so there's what's called proprioception.

  • Let's see-- and there is, of course, one aspect of

  • proprioception which is, interestingly enough, without

  • any effort on our part-- thank god, because otherwise we

  • would have died long ago for just like forgetting, getting

  • distracted.

  • We're breathing.

  • If breathing depended on the conscious mind, as I said,

  • we'd all be dead already.

  • Oh, I got busy, forgot.

  • Oh, yes, I'm supposed to breathe.

  • Luckily, the nervous system, the design of the nervous

  • system, is much too clever to leave that

  • to conscious control.

  • Yes, you can fiddle with it a bit, but what's being

  • suggested is, see if we can just drop in on the sensations

  • of breathing without fiddling with the breathing at all.

  • It knows how to do it really well, much better than you.

  • So see if you can just feel yourself breathing, without

  • intentionally drawing an in breath or an out breath.

  • If it helps, and of course the breath is in some sense

  • constrained or formed by how we're sitting, so if you're

  • sitting like this, it contracts the chest. And so

  • there may be a natural tendency to sit in with a

  • spine that's elevated and erect, in a position that

  • embodies dignity, just so that you can meet this moment in

  • its fullness with alertness, whatever that means to you.

  • It could be lying down.

  • It doesn't have to be sitting.

  • It could be hanging from your toes from the ceiling.

  • And let's see if we can feel the breath.

  • Not think about the breath, but just feel the breath

  • moving in and out of the body, as if we were in some sense

  • approaching a shy animal sunning itself on a tree stump

  • in a clearing in a forest. It's like, we want to approach

  • gently, and just drop in.

  • And ride the waves of the breath in the body, maybe down

  • in your belly, where there's all sorts of stuff going on,

  • on the in breath and the out breath.

  • You're not breathing deeply.

  • You're not pushing.

  • You're not pulling.

  • And if you'd like to concentrate more, focus on the

  • abdomen or wherever the sensations are most vivid, I

  • invite you to close your eyes if you care to.

  • It's not at all necessary.

  • And just ride, surf, on the feeling, the sensations, of

  • the breath moving in and out of your body, moment by

  • moment, by moment.

  • And let everything else going on in the mind, in the room,

  • the sounds, everything, just be in the wings.

  • You're not suppressing anything.

  • You're just featuring the breath center stage in the

  • field of awareness, as is your life depended on it, of

  • course, which it really does, in more ways than one, in more

  • ways than you can even think.

  • Now, whether you've been meditating for years, or this

  • is really your first exposure to what you might call formal

  • meditation instruction, it doesn't take long before you

  • realize that, having just given yourself this very, very

  • simple assignment to feel the breath moving in and out of

  • the body, and resting in that awareness, attending to the

  • sensations, that the mind kind of has a life of its own.

  • And it won't just stay on the belly, or the nostrils, or

  • wherever you're following the breath.

  • And it'll start commenting on your experience, that maybe

  • you're already wishing you hadn't come, and are looking

  • for a graceful way to get towards the exit while our

  • eyes are closed.

  • Or that this is stupid and boring, and how could this tap

  • into anything useful?

  • Or, the mind may just kind of drift off into reverie, or

  • thinking about how much you've got to get done by the end of

  • the day, and going through your to do list and maybe

  • getting more anxious.

  • Or feeling so happy you're here that you don't want to go

  • back to work, and thinking you'll take the

  • rest of the day off.

  • Whatever it is, you've lost touch with the breath.

  • That's for sure.

  • So it's important that you know, whether you've been

  • meditating for 50 years or more, or this is your first

  • experience of it, that this is just the way the mind is.

  • It's normal.

  • There's nothing wrong with you.

  • And it's not like, oh, you'll make a bad meditator because

  • your mind is unruly.

  • That's the nature of the mind.

  • It's just like the Pacific Ocean.

  • It waves, depending on the atmospheric conditions.

  • But even when it's at its most tumultuous, if you learn to

  • drop down 20 or 30 feet under the water, there's just gentle

  • calmness, undulation, stillness,

  • and it's always present.

  • And it's the same with the mind.

  • The surface of the mind can be very agitated, embroiled in

  • thought and emotion, but awareness

  • itself is like the depths.

  • And although we've never been exposed to this in any

  • systematic way, you can learn, by just coming back to the

  • breath over and over and over again, that it's

  • not about the breath.

  • It's about the awareness.

  • That includes knowing that your mind wandered in the

  • first place, and what it got embroiled with.

  • So the added instruction at this point would be any time

  • you notice that your mind is no longer in your breath, let

  • your awareness take note of what's on your mind.

  • Sooner or later it will, and you'll have a little mini

  • realization.

  • Oh my god, I'm supposed to be on the breath.

  • I thought that was so simple to do, and I've been off

  • someplace for who knows how long.

  • Not a problem.

  • Guess what?

  • It's still now.

  • So in this moment, just--

  • your body's still breathing.

  • Can you reconnect with featuring the breath center

  • stage in the field of awareness?

  • It's not about the breath.

  • It's about the awareness.

  • And the breath is simply a skillful means for befriending

  • this deep capacity of the heart and mind that is

  • sometimes called awarenessing.

  • I sometimes call awarenessing too, in

  • distinction to thinking.

  • It's just bigger than thinking, because it can hold

  • thought, as well.

  • So if the mind wanders, you know what's on your mind.

  • You bring it back.

  • If it wanders 10,000 times, you know what's on your mind

  • 10,000 times.

  • And without judging, condemning, forcing, blaming,

  • just come back to this moment, this breath.

  • Each breath, a new beginning.

  • Each out breath, a complete letting go.

  • And voila, here you are again, right here, and no agenda.

  • Just this moment.

  • Just this breath.

  • Just this sitting here.

  • Outside of time, if you will.

  • Ensconced in the now.

  • Timeless.

  • In awareness.

  • So this sounds simple, and it is.

  • But it's not easy.

  • This is a very, very challenging discipline,

  • actually, because the mind is so unruly and so conditioned

  • to fall into liking and disliking, and wanting to be

  • entertained, and so highly conditioned, that to just get

  • really basic and befriend any aspect of experience and

  • sustain that attending with a certain kind of tenderness, as

  • a radical act of love and kindness, just towards

  • yourself, simply to stop and to be, requires a certain kind

  • of motivation to befriend your experience in this way, the

  • moments that you do have while you're alive, wherever you

  • are, whatever is up for you.

  • And silence, this kind of silence that's pregnant with

  • awareness itself, with what you might call pure awareness,

  • is available 24/7.

  • Whether you're in front of your computer or not, whether

  • you're at home or here, wherever you are, it's part of

  • the repertoire, and a very fundamental part of the

  • repertoire of being human.

  • Silence.

  • And I apologize for talking so much about silence.

  • Ultimately, the more you practice the less there is any

  • need for talk or thought.

  • And the meditation practice winds up doing you much more

  • than you are doing the meditation practice.

  • And the world, and everybody, and everything, becomes your

  • teacher, and not in any grandiose new age bullshit

  • kind of way.

  • Just obvious, basic.

  • So let's play in the few remaining moments that we'll

  • stay with this guided meditation, keeping in mind

  • that my voice is merely meant to be like pointing out places

  • to look or to feel or to see, and so if you don't find it

  • helpful, than just finding your own way to be in

  • relationship to the present moment.

  • But remembering that I'm not trying to give you any

  • experience, certainly not relaxation or a sense of

  • well-being or anything.

  • It's not about that.

  • It's simply reminding you, and in a sense, hopefully also,

  • although you can't say it in English, re-bodying you to

  • rest, to learn, to remember how to rest in awareness, an

  • awareness that can hold anything and everything in

  • this only moment we ever have for knowing, for learning, for

  • loving, for working, for seeing beneath

  • the surface of things.

  • So let's play with expanding the field of awareness around

  • the breath, wherever we've been featuring the breath

  • sensations, until it includes a sense of the body as a whole

  • sitting here breathing.

  • And if you've sort of slumped or collapsed in your posture,

  • at this point why don't you see if you can reestablish

  • yourself in a posture that embodies dignity, to your full

  • dignity and wakefulness to you, whatever that means.

  • Not in any kind of idealized way, we're not talking West

  • Point or military academy, we're simply talking about

  • letting awareness fill the body, and find, if you will,

  • an optimal way to be in this moment, sitting.

  • So that the breath flows most freely and most unimpeded.

  • So that the mind has a quality of lightness to it, and a

  • light touch.

  • And seeing if you can feel your skin breathing, perhaps,

  • because of course it does.

  • And if you can't, just imagining that you can feel

  • your skin breathing or just feel your skin, the envelope

  • of the body.

  • And all of the sensations within the body, however they

  • are, just let them be what they are, held in awareness.

  • The breath of course is a part of that, so the awareness can

  • be very narrowly columnated, where the attention is very,

  • very one-pointed, or it can be much broader, like a

  • wide-angle lens, 360.

  • And let's actually allow the awareness to also include

  • sounds, since the ears, as we said, were open.

  • And they're happening in this moment as well, so we're not

  • excluding anything.

  • Body sitting, breathing, and hearing.

  • And the awareness can just already hold it.

  • You don't need to know how to do it.

  • It already knows how to do it.

  • It does it all the time.

  • But we're not aware of awareness.

  • So this is new, perhaps.

  • And then why stop here?

  • Let's allow the field of awareness to include any

  • thoughts or feelings that it might be flitting through the

  • field of the mind, which you might think

  • of as like the sky.

  • You know, vast, and, in some sense, boundless.

  • So thoughts come, they go.

  • They're usually associated with emotions of one kind or

  • another, pleasant, unpleasant, neutral.

  • Intense, mild, moderate.

  • And just let your awareness take in the whole thing,

  • without pursuing anything, without rejecting anything,

  • what you might call resting in a choice-less awareness.

  • Now, not focusing on any object, but just allowing

  • whatever objects of attention arise to be seen, felt, and

  • known in their arising, in their passing

  • away, moment by moment.

  • So it could be just the breath.

  • Or it could be just this vast panoply, and you can decide

  • where you want to focus your attention, on the objects, or

  • on an objectless awareness, a choiceless open spaciousness,

  • that you could think of as awareness without objects.

  • Pure, and filling the body, surrounding the

  • body, filling the heart.

  • Calming, if you will, the agitations of the mind simply

  • by this tenderness in the attending moment by moment, by

  • moment, by moment, by moment.

  • Without any judging of your experience whatsoever, no

  • condemning, no pursuing, no pushing away,

  • no liking, no disliking.

  • Of course, that's a fantasy.

  • You'll have all sorts of likes and dislikes.

  • But just allow your awareness to know the liking and

  • disliking, without judging even that.

  • Resting in an awareness of awareness itself, moment by

  • moment, as we sit here breathing, fully awake.

  • If you get lost, you can always come back to the belly

  • and to the breath.

  • And remember it's not about the belly or the breath.

  • It's about the awareness that is, in some sense, re-invited

  • to the table by focusing on the object.

  • But it's actually always here.

  • You're just not used to taking up residence in awareness,

  • because we are so in our heads, so carried away by the

  • thought stream, and by emotions that we find

  • difficult to deal with, and that reinforce the sense of

  • me, my problems, my life, my ambition.

  • The story of me, and where I'm going, which is just a story.

  • It's just more thought.

  • How about letting your awareness be part of who you

  • are, maybe a much bigger part than the stories you tell that

  • are intrinsically limited, limiting, and inaccurate.

  • I'd like to invite you, if your eyes are closed, to allow

  • your eyes to open while maintaining the same quality

  • of awareness.

  • So nothing is any different, it's just that now if your

  • eyes were closed, there's also sights.

  • But you can maintain the same awarenessing even as you turn

  • your head or shift your body or stretch.

  • And just to kind of formalize the close of the formal

  • practice, guided practice, I'll just rings some bells.

  • We should just--

  • you won't hear the bells, what you'll hear is [CHIME].

  • Nobody hears bells.

  • What you hear is sound--

  • [CHIME]

  • and the spaces between them, and the silence inside and

  • underneath sound.

  • So although the formal meditation practice, in some

  • sense, comes to an end, and has to, the real meditation

  • practice never comes to an end.

  • It's your life.

  • It's no more at an end than, say, your breathing.

  • OK.

  • We've finished meditating, stop breathing.

  • No.

  • Breath will go on.

  • Sensations will go on.

  • Seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching,

  • proprioception, knowing, thinking.

  • And so the real meditation practice is your life, and how

  • you carry yourself in each moment.

  • Now that's, oh, great.

  • Then I don't have to meditate.

  • I'll just go out and do mindfulness in daily living,

  • and it will be great.

  • You get to the door without forgetting.

  • You get carried away and entrained into whatever is

  • next on your to do list. So there's something very

  • beautiful about the combination of formal

  • meditation practice, even if it's for 30 seconds or 5

  • minutes every day, but the fact that you will anchor it,

  • that you will at least tune a little bit before you play the

  • great symphony, and then see what happens.

  • And I'm sure you will find, and many of you can probably

  • talk about-- and I'm going to now converse about that,

  • because the outer counterpart of meditation, especially--

  • how many of you sit in meetings during the day?

  • Do you meet with other people at Google, or has the computer

  • done away with that, only virtual meetings?

  • Well do you sometimes find yourself in meetings and just

  • like wondering what the hell this meeting is about?

  • They go on and on sometimes, even at Google.

  • And it's like, you don't get to the point, or everybody's

  • got to shoot their mouth off about their own favorite

  • thing, and be an obstacle to getting anything done.

  • Does that happen here?

  • OK.

  • So imagine if people tuned before they walked into a

  • meeting, or took--

  • I often give CEOs or department chairs, whatever, I

  • give them a set of these bells.

  • And I say, hey, listen.

  • Why don't you take the first 5 minutes of a 30 minute meeting

  • or an hour meeting and just [CHIME]

  • ring the bells.

  • No meditation instruction, the instruction is just sit and

  • watch your mind, and be aware of the

  • people around the table.

  • Five minutes of that, [CHIME]

  • then have your meeting and see what happens.

  • It may turn out to be a totally different meeting,

  • because people will be there.

  • Most people, they're in the meeting,

  • but they're not there.

  • They're text messaging under the table, or Googling, or

  • whatever the hell you people do.

  • But you're not fully present, if you're [INAUDIBLE], what's

  • the point in having a meeting?

  • The meeting is about meeting, so that something can happen.

  • But for that, you have to show up.

  • Turns out showing up is non-trivial.

  • It's the hardest thing in the world, to show up.

  • Even in your body, most of the time we're

  • like, not in our bodies.

  • There's this wonderful line in James Joyce's Dubliners--

  • it's a book of short stories--

  • that starts out, Mr. Duffy lived a short

  • distance from his body.

  • So let's have a conversation about what

  • your experience was.

  • And I just want to say that if you read business books,

  • leadership books, like Peter Senge at the Society for

  • Organizational Learning, and think about organizations and

  • how they have-- like they're organisms, and they learn, and

  • they grow, and they have heads and tails, and they can orient

  • and move, in time and space, and beyond time and space--

  • that that's the outer counterpart of quiet

  • meditation.

  • It's like when you get 30 people in a room around the

  • table, and they do this kind of tuning, then the dialogue

  • is very, very different from if you think you're going to

  • be in discussion.

  • Discussion, for instance, like, oh, we'll get together

  • and we'll discuss this problem or this issue--

  • discussion, I would just remind you, comes from the

  • same root as concussion, and percussion, and succussion.

  • It's all about shaking violently apart.

  • That's the root meaning of discussion, is to shake

  • violently apart, maybe something

  • will sort itself out.

  • But what about dialogue, where everybody is really tuning,

  • and not like totally in their ego, but a kind of inquiry.

  • What is this?

  • What is our job?

  • What is the purpose of this meeting?

  • What could we do together that we can't do alone?

  • And maybe if I don't know everything, or I take my big

  • pet, whatever favorite thing it is, and for a moment just

  • bring don't know to it, so it's not like, yes, I've got

  • to come out of this meeting with an agreement from

  • everybody that I'm the greatest person in the world.

  • My idea is the best idea.

  • Out of that, what happens when minds do this together, you

  • get some kind of property emerging that's bigger than

  • any of the individual minds in the room, and [SNAP]

  • something.

  • That's beginning to become more and more recognized in

  • business and in all sorts of organizations, because the old

  • models are just like Tyrannosauruses and

  • Brontosauruses swishing around and banging each

  • other's tails and dying.

  • OK.

  • So anybody want to comment on your experience of this, or

  • anything that you experience?

  • Let's keep it not like-- let's not go into speculation about

  • meditation and its value in the world.

  • But more like, what did you experience during the guided

  • meditation, first person experience.

  • AUDIENCE: So, Dr. Kabat-Zinn, I have been a practicing

  • mindful meditator for almost 10 years.

  • And by practicing, I mean, I struggled with the same thing,

  • and continue to struggle with the same thing, which is, I

  • fall asleep, all the time, and it happened to me here.

  • JON KABAT-ZINN: Anybody else fall

  • asleep during the session?

  • Raise your hands up high.

  • There's nothing embarrassing about it.

  • I mean, basically we're all more or less asleep anyway,

  • even if you're here.

  • It's the same thing as in school.

  • The bodies show up but that doesn't--

  • And yes, so as soon as we get calm and still, we go, plop.

  • First of all, how many of you would say that you're

  • sleep-deprived, just on the purely Monday level.

  • Of course we're sleep deprived.

  • Google doesn't expect you to be sleeping.

  • That's for the next lifetime.

  • I don't know.

  • So what are the practical things that you might do?

  • So I get very basic around sleep.

  • Sleep is an occupational hazard of meditating.

  • And in the hospital, we don't ask

  • people to meditate sitting.

  • We get them down on the floor, doing what's

  • called a body scan.

  • So you get more and more relaxed, the first thing you

  • do is go, plop.

  • So you hear a tremendous amount of snoring in the room.

  • We do this with sometimes 200 people on

  • our day-long retreat.

  • And people take offense.

  • I'm trying to meditate here, and I've got a snorer over

  • here and a snorer over there.

  • It's an occupational hazard of meditating.

  • Meditation is all about falling awake.

  • But the first thing people do is fall asleep.

  • What can we do?

  • Well, to one degree it's like I would ask you about your

  • motivation?

  • How motivated are you to actually be awake?

  • OK?

  • If you are, have you ever been driving down the highway late

  • at night and falling asleep?

  • OK?

  • I mean, sometimes when it's really bad, I've had to slap

  • myself across the face.

  • Why?

  • Because I could crash into a tree.

  • I mean, it's like, oh, you're so violent.

  • Well, under the circumstances it's better to slap myself

  • every once in a while, or turn on some great rock and roll

  • and open up all the windows, to stay awake.

  • In other words, whatever is necessary.

  • So one thing you could do--

  • do you do this early in the morning, as a rule?

  • AUDIENCE: I've tried everything.

  • I've tried early in the morning.

  • JON KABAT-ZINN: Have you tried a cold

  • shower before you meditate?

  • I'm not joking.

  • AUDIENCE: No.

  • I have not tried that.

  • JON KABAT-ZINN: OK.

  • Try a cold shower.

  • See, if this is really important, if this is really

  • about life or death and sanity, and I believe it is,

  • then do whatever the hell it takes to wake up.

  • And then be gentle with yourself when

  • you fall asleep anyway.

  • OK?

  • Because part of you knows you're falling asleep, so

  • another thing to do is, while you're falling asleep--

  • and this I wouldn't recommend driving--

  • but while you're falling asleep, bring awareness to the

  • feeling of falling asleep.

  • And ask yourself, is my awareness of

  • falling asleep asleep?

  • And look at it, feel it, see for yourself.

  • And you may find part of you is still awake.

  • And instead of struggling or battling

  • with I'm falling asleep--

  • how many of you have had the experience of one moment you

  • were just asleep, and the next moment you

  • were completely awake?

  • We've all had that experience.

  • It's a repertoire of different kinds of things.

  • So motivation has a great deal to do with it.

  • And then also, do you blame yourself for falling asleep.

  • Are you frustrated by it?

  • Do you think you're a bad meditator?

  • AUDIENCE: Yes.

  • JON KABAT-ZINN: OK.

  • You're not a bad meditator.

  • Everybody falls asleep.

  • I mean, if you go and read a book about the San Francisco

  • Zen Center in the old days, called Crooked Cucumber,

  • there's a very interesting little chapter in there where

  • they invited all these great Zen masters from Japan to come

  • to inaugurate some temple at the San Francisco Zen Center.

  • And there were like six or seven of them there, with

  • Suzuki Roshi, every single one of them was

  • nodding off on the cushion.

  • They're not supposed to do that.

  • They're like samurai meditators.

  • That's why the young people are supposed to study with

  • them, and they're [SNORING].

  • So as long as you're thinking there's some kind of ideal

  • here, where like if I was really meditating I'd never

  • fall asleep.

  • Nonsense.

  • Maybe they were jet-lagged.

  • Maybe they were old.

  • Maybe they were dead.

  • Who knows?

  • But you're not, so [SNAP]

  • what can you do?

  • So in a sense, by asking yourself the question and

  • being spacious and bringing a sense of humor to it, falling

  • asleep is not even a problem.

  • The part of you that knows you're falling asleep isn't,

  • and that's the part that we're interested in.

  • And it's by moment by moment, so it's not, oh my god, now

  • I've fallen asleep.

  • As soon as you wake up, that's it.

  • You're here.

  • It's another moment.

  • Yes?

  • AUDIENCE: I'd just like to add to that.

  • My wife's a pediatrician, and she studies sleep deprivation

  • among all sorts of young people.

  • So when we got married and I was meditating and falling

  • sideways, she fixed it.

  • She said get your eight hours' sleep.

  • There may be a conflict with your work, but it's also a

  • critical element of your longevity, your sanity, your

  • health, so--

  • JON KABAT-ZINN: Thank you.

  • AUDIENCE: Lack of sleep, I think, is a big issue.

  • JON KABAT-ZINN: Although you'll also find--

  • I've certainly found over the years.

  • I've been meditating now since I was--

  • I got into it when I was 22.

  • And I'm 63, so I guess that's 41 years.

  • It seems like 41 seconds.

  • But when you really devote yourself to meditation the

  • kinds of ways that I'm suggesting, and then every

  • once in a while you periodically go off on

  • retreat, and say maybe do this for 10 days, 18 hours a day,

  • and in places like Spirit Rock--

  • I mean, there's no better place in the world to do that

  • than in the Bay Area, where you can really cultivate

  • mindfulness in this kind of laboratory where you're

  • simplifying life, and you leave your computer and your

  • cell phones at home.

  • That itself is very hard to do, but you nest it in a

  • certain way.

  • I've found over the years I don't need this as much sleep

  • as I used to need.

  • Now part of that is just getting older.

  • But part of it is that there's a kind of rest that happens in

  • wakefulness that you don't get even in sleep.

  • And now of course--

  • I don't have time to talk about it.

  • When I was here last I gave a slide talk with some evidence

  • from neuroscience about what's going on in our patients and

  • other people when they meditate.

  • But it's activating regions of the brain that ordinarily just

  • aren't ever trained.

  • And there's a phenomenon now, for the past 10 or 12 years,

  • in neuroscience called neuroplasticity, which is

  • demonstrating that the old dogma that your brain just

  • loses neurons from about the time you're two and it's just

  • downhill from then, that's not true.

  • We're making functional neurons in very important

  • aspects of the nervous system right up until the day we die.

  • And they're driven by a kind of repetitive attending.

  • Physical activity is a huge part of that.

  • So it's not just meditation on the cushion.

  • I mean, running could be meditation.

  • Swimming could be meditation.

  • Cooking can be.

  • There's nothing that isn't meditative.

  • Making love, I mean, it helps to be there.

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • JON KABAT-ZINN: I'm making a joke of it,

  • but I'm deadly serious.

  • So this is the kind of thing where life itself can actually

  • inform you.

  • And then yes, over time, you'll find how to fall awake.

  • You will find it.

  • It will find you, so to speak.

  • But the more we bring baggage to it, the better.

  • And if you do need to sleep, for god's sake, sleep.

  • Don't meditate.

  • Yes.

  • Where'd the microphone migrate to?

  • Thank you for that.

  • We've only got a few more minutes.

  • I didn't maybe time this quite right, but

  • at least until 12:00.

  • But I do want to give you an opportunity to talk about your

  • experience or ask questions.

  • And if you want to stay past 12:00, I'm not going anywhere,

  • I don't think.

  • MENG: For half an hour.

  • JON KABAT-ZINN: For half an hour.

  • OK.

  • AUDIENCE: I find that when I'm meditating, I'm so excited

  • that I'm actually meditating that I can't stop thinking

  • about the fact that I'm meditating.

  • JON KABAT-ZINN: Oh, yes.

  • That's a big one.

  • I'm glad you brought that up.

  • AUDIENCE: And all the good things it's doing for me.

  • JON KABAT-ZINN: Yes, the internal commentator about how

  • great it is to meditate.

  • Wow, I'm meditating and my mind isn't wandering at all.

  • I'm on the breath, down breath, in breath, out breath.

  • Wow, this is great.

  • Aren't I great?

  • I'm meditating away.

  • and really there's no meditating at all.

  • It's just commentary.

  • It's just more thinking, but now the content of the

  • thinking is meditating.

  • Wonderful.

  • Now, who knew that?

  • You don't know, right?

  • So, you see the power in not knowing?

  • Yes, some part of you knows that there's all this

  • commentary going on, and you can laugh at it, and it ain't

  • what it's really about.

  • But yes, of course, that's the way we live our lives, is

  • we're always commenting on how we're doing.

  • We're continually taking the temperature and the wind

  • changes, and how am I doing, and what do

  • people think of me?

  • I was in Finland not long ago, teaching, last year.

  • And every culture has its own stereotypes.

  • And I don't want to fall into generalizations and

  • stereotypes, but a lot of the Finns told me that their

  • biggest insecurity is, what do you think of me?

  • They're a very shy culture.

  • And they always wonder what do you think of me,

  • but they never ask.

  • Se everybody is worried about what

  • everybody else is thinking.

  • Feynman one of the greatest scientists on the planet wrote

  • a book called, What Do You Care What Other People Think?

  • But he could have called it, What Do You

  • Care What You Think?

  • It's the same kind of thinking.

  • Our opinions about ourselves actually get in the way of

  • being ourselves.

  • So that's perfect.

  • This is like you're meditating on awareness of the commentary

  • about meditating.

  • At a certain point, you'll get tired of it.

  • And it's like touching a soap bubble.

  • What awareness does is it's liberating.

  • Not like if you go to a cave in Tibet an study with these

  • great Tibetan masters.

  • It's liberating just by virtue of the seeing.

  • Touching a thought with awareness is like touching a

  • soap bubble with your finger.

  • It self-liberates.

  • It goes poof, because it's seen and known for what it is.

  • So it's not like you have to shut off the commentary.

  • This is the deepest misunderstanding about

  • meditation, is that meditation's about making your

  • mind blank, shutting off your thinking.

  • All you'll get if you try to shut off your thinking,

  • whether it's commentary on meditating or anything else,

  • is a headache.

  • And then you'll start to say-- the little thoughts will

  • secrete themselves, and your mind says, I can't do this.

  • I can't meditate.

  • I'm no good at it.

  • Everybody else is good at it, but I'm not good at it.

  • That's bullshit.

  • It's just-- well, I won't call it bullshit.

  • That sounds a little judgmental and I'm talking

  • about [UNINTELLIGIBLE].

  • What it is just thinking.

  • It's thinking.

  • And if you do awarenessing, you will see the thoughts with

  • much greater clarity, and they will have less of a

  • stranglehold on you.

  • So that's just part of the curriculum, the commentary on

  • how your meditation practice is going.

  • Ultimately, it is never about the meditation practice.

  • That's not the problem.

  • The problem is the I that's claiming to be meditating.

  • So I'll just throw that out.

  • That's a provocative statement.

  • I don't expect you to necessarily get it, but to

  • keep asking yourself, who's meditating?

  • Who is this?

  • And you might say your name, your age, all of your

  • credentials, your CV, all sorts of things can come

  • online in that moment as who you are.

  • None of them are really who you are.

  • They're all just accretions so to speak.

  • They may be aspects of who you think you are, but you're much

  • bigger than that.

  • Usually we think we're so small that we have to build

  • ourselves up with CVs, story, how great I am.

  • But what if you were infinitely bigger than what

  • you think you are?

  • Walt Whitman said that-- "I'm large.

  • I contain multitudes."--

  • in Leaves of Grass.

  • This is really big.

  • It's about understanding what it means to be really human.

  • And of course, we don't know what it means

  • to be really human.

  • But the understanding comes from intimacy, from

  • cultivating intimacy, or what the Tibetans call

  • familiarization.

  • In fact, the word in Tibetan for meditation is

  • familiarization.

  • Anybody else?

  • So thank you for that.

  • MENG: One last question?

  • JON KABAT-ZINN: OK.

  • It's the last question.

  • I'll let Meng exercise control.

  • AUDIENCE: I just wanted to say I think there's something

  • really funny about those whiteboards being

  • up during this talk.

  • Jut giant salaries, no deal, and all that

  • stuff all over it.

  • JON KABAT-ZINN: JON KABAT-ZINN: Oh, yes.

  • You were reading them.

  • I didn't read them.

  • It's hard not to notice.

  • Yes, well, the world is multidimensional and complex.

  • And so did they trigger a lot of thoughts for you?

  • AUDIENCE: I feel like somehow meditation is

  • the opposite of money.

  • JON KABAT-ZINN: Oh.

  • Well, be careful, because the mind is now creating opposites

  • and maybe obstacles, whereas, in a complex universe, that

  • may just be another opinion or another thought.

  • Seen one way, yes, it's us against them,

  • and they are no good.

  • But seen another way, we're all part of the same thing,

  • and you wouldn't be here if someone wasn't thinking about

  • money, and I wouldn't either.

  • Not that I'm getting paid, but that's not the point.

  • I mean, I had to pay for gas.

  • It's all interconnected, so it's very useful to look at

  • our own likes and dislikes, as I was suggesting, whatever

  • they are, whether they're principled or not.

  • And that's not to say we shouldn't have principles.

  • If nothing, it's a totally ethical way of being.

  • If it's not ethical, it isn't mindfulness.

  • But that requires a certain deep contemplation to

  • understand what ethical behavior is, because

  • sometimes--

  • And I see Philip Lombardo is coming to talk about the

  • banality of evil.

  • I mean even in his own Stanford Prison Experiment, he

  • got so pulled into the experiment--

  • I don't know if you know about this, but you should go and

  • hear his talks--

  • back in the '60s that his laboratory technician had to

  • tell him to stop the experiment after six days,

  • instead of the three weeks that it was supposed to be

  • happening, because these staff and students, who were divided

  • up into prison guards and prisoners, the guards were

  • abusing the prisoners.

  • These were all just Stanford students, but they got into

  • that mentality, and they would have killed people.

  • They were creating huge harm, unbelievable abuse.

  • You think it's just at Abu Ghraib?

  • I mean, the guards at Abu Ghraib, they're just like

  • Stanford students.

  • They're just 18, 19, 20 year old Americans who don't get

  • why they're there.

  • And yes, so see, as a rule, I tend to stay away from the

  • word evil, and I prefer ignorance.

  • So when we're ignoring certain aspects of our own experience,

  • and how easy it is for anybody, even ethical people,

  • to get entrained into a situation where they will do

  • seriously immoral things.

  • That's important to be aware of, because it's not like, oh,

  • just them, those people out there who

  • don't have moral fiber.

  • That could be you, if the circumstances were different,

  • unless you've really developed an unwavering sense of

  • stability in your own authority, even if everybody

  • else is saying that you're wrong.

  • That's a really hard thing to do in a place like Nazi

  • Germany, or in a place like Burma, or in a place like

  • Rwanda, or anything else where your family could be wiped

  • out, or may have already been wiped out, by you just like

  • looking the wrong way or belonging to the wrong tribe.

  • So this has profound implications not just for

  • economics, and running a business like Google, but for

  • a place like Iraq, where--

  • war.

  • You walk into a culture.

  • You have no understanding of that culture.

  • And then you're going to make the world safe for democracy.

  • And we wonder why America is not more liked, since we're

  • obviously the good guys in the world.

  • What's the matter with us?

  • We're like chickens with our heads cut off.

  • We're idiotic.

  • We're not making use of the full repertoire of our

  • capacities.

  • So this mindfulness, it's not just about having a good

  • experience, lowering your blood pressure, improving your

  • T cell count, or anything like that.

  • There's a full spectrum of true

  • authenticity in the world.

  • And I might say, and I'll leave it at this, asking

  • yourself on a deep level what is your work in the world?

  • I know Google hired you to do something, but still.

  • Really why they hired you is because of who you are.

  • And they need you to be you, in order to know how you can

  • fit into the larger picture and contribute in the

  • imaginative ways that are really unthinkable.

  • That's what they want.

  • They want the unthinkable that is actually doable.

  • So how do you get there?

  • Often it's not just by thinking.

  • It's by trusting in certain aspects of yourself that we

  • just don't get educated around.

  • That's what this can develop.

  • And now as I understand, and I'll leave it at that, there's

  • an MBSR program, Mindfulness-Based Stress

  • Reduction-- just what Meng was talking about, with full

  • catastrophe living--

  • here at Google.

  • And there are going to be more programs in the Google

  • University around emotional intelligence, and mindfulness,

  • and business, and leadership, and je ne sais quoi, but

  • that's a very kind of interesting work environment,

  • where many people among the leadership really feel like

  • this kind of nurturance is not second order fluff to keep its

  • workforce happy, but, in fact, absolutely fundamental to the

  • core principles of the business.

  • So I want to thank you for your attention.

  • And just leave expressing the thought that if anything that

  • I said, even one word, or even not any words, but just what

  • was pointed to underneath the words, rings true to you in

  • some way or disturbs you in some way, trust that.

  • And see if you can pour a little bit more attention into

  • it and over time wonder, perhaps, whether there's not

  • something inside you-- it has nothing to do with me.

  • It has nothing to do with meditation or Buddhism or

  • anything like that.

  • But whether there's not something here--

  • I won't say there--

  • that really is important to attend to.

  • And then attend to it with tremendous kindness and

  • self-compassion.

  • I don't think that you can--

  • it's impossible to go wrong if you take that kind of attitude

  • towards it.

  • This is not attaining some ideal.

  • This is recognizing who you are already are, and the

  • beauty that's already you.

  • So I'll leave with a little poem.

  • Would that be OK?

  • One of my favorite poems, by Derek Walcott, who is a Nobel

  • laureate in literature, from the island of Saint Lucia,

  • Afro-Caribbean heritage.

  • He writes very, very long poems, most of which I have

  • never read.

  • But this is a very short poem, so try to drink it in in the

  • same way as you were drinking in the breath, and the sounds

  • in the room.

  • The time will come when, with elation, you will greet

  • yourself arriving at your own door, in your own mirror, and

  • each will smile at the other's welcome and say, sit here.

  • Eat.

  • You will love again the stranger who was yourself.

  • Give wine.

  • Give bread.

  • Give back your heart to yourself, to the stranger who

  • has loved you all your life, who you

  • have ignored for another.

  • Take down the love letters from the bookshelf, the

  • photographs, the desperate notes, peel your own image

  • from the mirror.

  • Sit.

  • Feast on your life.

  • Thank you, folks.

MENG: Hi.

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