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  • - Well, there is a pressure,

  • but you dissolve the pressure by working hard.

  • If you feel the pressure and you buckle

  • or you feel the pressure and you don't put in the time

  • or the prep, you're gonna choke.

  • You use the pressure or you use the fear

  • or challenge to just put in the time,

  • and it's up to you to fly with it or try to.

  • [soft dramatic instrumental music]

  • So The Ragged Child, it was the televised version

  • of a play that I had appeared in

  • with the National Youth Music Theater,

  • which was a young people's theater company.

  • It pulled together from auditions all around Great Britain,

  • kids from all types of backgrounds.

  • It was an interesting experience.

  • I guess it was one of the first times I'd

  • ever done this, the stop start process of filming.

  • It was very much an ensemble piece,

  • so each of us shared the weight of the responsibility

  • of the piece, although the lead

  • was played by Johnny Lee Miller,

  • who obviously has gone on for a wonderful career.

  • So I view my time in the NYMT as a big part

  • of my training, actually.

  • Your training never stops, but that was a real part

  • of stepping up and taking responsibility as an actor.

  • Jerome Morrow, that's a nice name.

  • - It's my name.

  • - I can't be you without it.

  • - What makes you think you can be me at all?

  • So I'd done a couple of other films,

  • but Gattaca felt like a huge, huge break.

  • First of all, to work with Ethan and Uma,

  • Alan Arkin, Ernest Borgnine, Gore Vidal,

  • this extraordinary group of highly regarded

  • and talented individuals.

  • I guess I was spoiled looking back

  • because also to work on something

  • that I just so believed in, unique, resonant,

  • timely, political, had great style.

  • But my memories of it were wow, yeah,

  • moving to LA for the first time.

  • I was staying in one of these little self-contained suites,

  • just up off Sunset, renting a [laughs] Ford Mustang,

  • driving around, hanging out a lot with Ethan.

  • Ethan and I got on very, very well, I remember.

  • We filmed some of it in Marin County.

  • We did that drive up the highway together,

  • which took us a weekend.

  • It really felt like the first time I'd come

  • to Hollywood and I was making a movie,

  • and it was a true moment of destiny

  • and dreams.

  • It's great that that film that early on in my career

  • was a film that also stood the test of time.

  • I've made about, God knows, 30, 40 films since then.

  • That's still a film people talk about,

  • which is really, it really meant something.

  • There are a couple of others I did around that time,

  • which people [laughing] don't talk about so much,

  • which is no bad thing. [laughs]

  • Oh, I can just imagine, if only Dickie would settle down.

  • Doesn't every parent deserve a grandchild?

  • Oh, God.

  • Never, never.

  • Swear on your ring, Marge.

  • I'm never going back.

  • The Talented Mr. Ripley.

  • I was making a film in London produced by Carolyn Choa.

  • I was aware that Carolyn was married to Anthony Minghella.

  • Anthony, by all accounts, was watching the rushes

  • of this film come in decided to offer me Dickie Greenleaf.

  • In my insane arrogance as a 20 something year old,

  • hostile to the idea that I would be cast

  • as this pretty boy, turned it down. [laughs]

  • I was thinking at the time that

  • what I should really be doing

  • is just playing character roles and hunchback,

  • just trying to find real weird, twisted characters.

  • I luckily came to my senses and realized

  • that he was putting together this extraordinary group

  • of young actors and that he himself,

  • obviously, having just won 50 Oscars or whatever it was

  • for The English Patient, was probably gonna be good,

  • safe hands to put myself in.

  • And my experience of that particular film

  • was absolutely golden, but it was also somewhat misleading

  • in that I was sent, first of all,

  • down to Ischia to get a suntan,

  • learn to sail, and practice my saxophone.

  • I've never since been given that [laughs] kind

  • of carte blanche or invitation on any other job, sadly.

  • I was overwhelmed with nerves because suddenly,

  • you have Gwyneth and Cate and Philip and Matt turning up

  • alongside all these other great actors.

  • I used the bravado and the confidence

  • and the swagger of Dickie as a way

  • of pulling my way through that,

  • and I think I pretended I was Dickie,

  • basically, for the whole time, which worked.

  • It was very well received.

  • It was the first time I got a nomination by the Academy,

  • and so in many ways, it was a huge turning point in my life.

  • It still sits in my heart as one

  • of the most wonderful memories, mm.

  • [light jaunty instrumental music]

  • Many a Mecha has gone to the end of the world,

  • never to come back.

  • That is why they call the end of the world Manhattan.

  • - And that's why we must go there.

  • - My memories of AI, wow, there are so many.

  • So I went from the sun-kissed coast of Italy

  • to East Germany, where I was filming Enemy at the Gates.

  • I get this phone call from Steven Spielberg,

  • which is the phone call most actors

  • spend a lifetime waiting for,

  • and he was developing AI alongside Stanley Kubrick,

  • who sadly passed away early, early on in the development

  • of this particular version of the film.

  • I would finish working Berlin, fly to Paris,

  • get on the Concord, fly to New York,

  • and land before I'd left, get met on the runway

  • at JFK with a helicopter, and flown to Steven's house.

  • This is [laughs] to rehearse.

  • If that doesn't make your head spin, nothing will.

  • That kind of treatment is, well, for me, otherworldly.

  • It was a really interesting experience in the hands

  • of this extraordinarily powerful director.

  • He was incredibly collaborative,

  • and we came up with this idea of the dancing

  • and the music and the guy with a walking jukebox

  • so he could paly old classics and dance to them

  • and seduce whoever he had to seduce.

  • He was open to so many ideas, and, in a way,

  • the challenge was just be as imaginative

  • and as creative as you can, and I'll see if we can do it.

  • And most of the time, he was like yeah, we can do that.

  • The makeup was an extraordinary journey.

  • Initially, they wanted to make a fake me,

  • so they took a mold of my face

  • and stuck the mask of me on my face.

  • First of all, it made my head way too big,

  • and secondly, it meant that you

  • couldn't actually register anything I was doing.

  • So we ended up just built these tiny,

  • little pieces that just made every line

  • on my face perfectly symmetrical and straight.

  • And then I also remember, because, unfortunately,

  • it all grew back tenfold, they shaved almost

  • [laughs] all my hair off.

  • Everything was shaved every morning, and they sprayed me

  • like a doll every morning and polished me.

  • Sitting in a chair for four hours and being transformed

  • does help because you go in as one thing,

  • and you come out really looking and feeling as another.

  • I had a rigorous routine that I went through everyday

  • with the choreographer.

  • That discipline was also very important

  • to setting this physical

  • neutral zone for Gigolo Joe to operate out of,

  • and getting the walk right.

  • 'Cause he was a robot, we wanted certain things

  • and certain moves to be repetitive.

  • And if you watch the way he walks, people walk like.

  • He actually walked with a rhythm.

  • He did this thing where he turns his head every other move.

  • And so getting into that and locking that

  • was an important ground zero to start at everyday.

  • Finding the character is finding the right look,

  • the clothes, the makeup, the hair, all of that,

  • and then you end up with what just feels right.

  • [subdued atmospheric music]

  • - And what do you do?

  • - I work wood.

  • [hammer banging in distance] [men chattering]

  • Cut.

  • Mostly work wood.

  • Well, Cold Mountain.

  • So I'd start this extraordinary relationship

  • with Anthony Minghella,

  • and I remember him saying come on the odyssey with me.

  • This is gonna be this huge physical journey, and it was.

  • We battled the seasons and the elements every single day.

  • It was deeply emotional, too,

  • because a lot of my character's journey was physical.

  • I remember also, I had this big relationship

  • with animals and that Anthony wanted all the animals

  • to be real, so I was always fishing

  • and learning to cut cows open

  • and pull chickens' heads off and all of that stuff.

  • It was very hands on.

  • If you're up a mountain in six foot of snow,

  • you're up there with a crew.

  • If you're in a bog or if you're in a swamp

  • with gators six feet away, they're in there with you.

  • So it's a very bonding experience

  • to go from baking heat to sub-zero temperatures

  • and everything in between.

  • It's all about the people around you.

  • If you're with a really wonderful group of people

  • and the part requires it and they're there with you,

  • then absolutely, you do it again.

  • Please tell me the truth.

  • - Why?

  • - Because I'm addicted to it, because,

  • without it, we're animals.

  • - I'd seen Closer on stage in London and in New York.

  • Again, Mike Nichols, a director just of legend.

  • A dream team.

  • How lucky am I?

  • Suddenly, I'm in the room

  • with these other three wonderful, wonderful actors.

  • I remember the rehearsal process was really interesting.

  • We rehearsed it in New York.

  • We read through the script, but,

  • most of the time, we really just listened

  • to Mike recounting stories of his love life.

  • I remember halfway through saying to each other like,

  • maybe we're not gonna input anything.

  • And what I realized he was doing

  • was he was laying his life bare in order to feel safe.

  • It was like he was in confession.

  • And so suddenly, anything we discussed,

  • anything we shared, because the piece is about meeting

  • and breaking up with the loves of your life,

  • so it's always dealing with the most raw, the most intimate,

  • the most revealing and vulnerable moments.

  • And in a way, he was going through this process

  • of confession and allowing

  • the conversation to always be safe, which worked.

  • We shot it in and around London,

  • which was a real treat because I was at home.

  • So much of London now I drive past

  • and I think, oh yeah, I filmed there or oh gosh.

  • And so suddenly, these little landmarks

  • in my hometown are also touchstones of memories.

  • But sadly, there's this one strip,

  • the scene at the very beginning

  • when I spy Natalie Portman coming through the crowd,

  • Spitalfields Market, has been completely demolished.

  • The shops have all gone, and it struck me the other day

  • how sad that was 'cause I have such vivid memories

  • of shooting that scene.

  • The play, those who know the play,

  • will know that the ending in the play is very different,

  • or at least it goes a little further,

  • and we filmed that ending.

  • Although it's quite an eccentric ending.

  • My character Dan calls the other two together

  • and has this breakdown where he describes

  • that Alice, Natalie's character, has died.

  • And he goes through this whole confessional

  • where he discovers that she's stolen her name

  • from the memorial of this young woman back

  • in the Victorian age.

  • They only way I could make sense of this scene

  • was to play it like he'd gone a little crazy,

  • and then they cut the scene, quite rightly.

  • The rhythm works much better the way it is,

  • but I've always [laughs] taken it

  • that it must be because I was really awful in this scene

  • 'cause I do remember making quite a bold decision

  • to play him slightly wacky that he'd called these two people

  • together and was confessing something.

  • But hopefully, that's not the case.

  • [contemplative instrumental music]

  • I cry all the time.

  • - [Amanda] You do not.

  • - Yeah, I do.

  • - [laughs] You don't have to be this nice.

  • - It happens to be the truth.

  • - [laughs] Really? - Like a book,

  • a great film, a birthday card, I weep.

  • - [laughs] Shut up. - I'm a major weeper.

  • Of the films we've mentioned, The Holiday is one

  • that is reminded to me most often,

  • I guess because it's seasonal.

  • A lot of people come to me every year

  • and say oh, we watch that every holiday,

  • we watch that every Christmas.

  • That's our favorite Christmas film,

  • and there are a few funny memories I have of that.

  • The first is that we shot the exteriors in the UK first.

  • It was freezing.

  • For whatever reason, all the interiors, the UK interiors,

  • too, were filmed in the studios here in LA.

  • So we all moved to LA.

  • Nancy has the, oh, I don't know if she does it anymore,

  • but she has the reputation for taking her time.

  • I'm sat in my house, waiting for five weeks

  • before they get to me.

  • As you can probably see, if I look at the sun,

  • I go very brown very quickly.

  • My father is very dark skinned.

  • And if you watch that film carefully,

  • [laughs] when I'm outside in England,

  • I'm [laughs] really white and pasty.

  • Soon as I go inside, I'm like [snaps] hey,

  • and I've got this suntan. [laughs]

  • No one really notices, but if you watch, I darken by

  • about two shades every time I step inside and out.

  • I've worked with Kate three or four times,

  • and that was, I think, the second.

  • It was a wonderful time.

  • Our kids were both very little, and we would laugh a lot.

  • Getting to know Cameron was a great experience.

  • She's so much fun.

  • It was a very happy time.

  • It was hard work.

  • A lot of my scenes were with the kids.

  • We could only shoot with them till lunch,

  • so in the morning, I was behind the camera,

  • just trying to make these children laugh

  • and sticking dolls in my mouth,

  • pulling funny faces, and putting things on my head

  • to make them keep attention with me.

  • And then they would go at lunchtime,

  • and then you'd be exhausted.

  • It would be like you've

  • been running a crèche all morning, right?

  • And then they turn around, and they're like right,

  • you gotta do the same thing now!

  • And [laughs] I always remember being like, oh God.

  • Bring in a clown next time for the kids' closeups.

  • I think it was one of the first times I'd done an out

  • and out comedy.

  • Well, no, I'd done comedy, but I wanted to do it

  • because Nancy related it to some

  • of my favorite old rom coms.

  • She wanted it to be arsenic and old laced,

  • slightly goofy, funny but romantic and heartfelt.

  • And they're tricky, they're very technical.

  • A lot of it's rhythm.

  • And they always say, actually doing drama

  • is sometimes more fun than doing comedies.

  • In comedies, it's like do it again and be funny this time.

  • That's hard.

  • [light jazzy piano music]

  • That was my waistcoat.

  • - I thought we agreed it's too small for you.

  • - I'd like it back.

  • - I thought we agreed.

  • - I want it back.

  • [carriage rattling]

  • So Sherlock Holmes.

  • I get this phone call.

  • I just remember being really curious.

  • It was a part I never considered playing,

  • John Watson, Dr. Watson, Holmes.

  • But of course, they mentioned Downey and Guy

  • and this bizarre equation.

  • Suddenly, I thought, God, this could be disastrous

  • or this could be absolutely genius.

  • I spend this afternoon with Robert.

  • I really don't wanna be one of these actors

  • who just says ah, I just fell in love with this actor,

  • but honestly, me and [laughs] Robert fell

  • in love [laughs] this afternoon.

  • And we were like these children, giggling,

  • and we just had a very compatibility, I think,

  • that sense of humor, our view on the world.

  • He's the most brilliant, eccentric,

  • quick-witted, and lovely man.

  • You have to realize that Iron Man had only just come out.

  • In fact, I don't even know whether it had been released.

  • He'd shot it, and it was pretty obvious

  • what was gonna happen.

  • The whole thing became, honestly,

  • a really enjoyable experience.

  • We would run the pages in the morning,

  • improvise a whole bunch.

  • I kept this thing called the Bible,

  • which was all these quotes from the Conan Doyle books,

  • swap out lines that we'd improvised

  • with lines actually by Conan Doyle

  • and rewrite stuff, and then we'd go shoot it,

  • and we'd shoot it really quickly,

  • and obviously, alongside that,

  • there was all this incredible physical stuff,

  • stunts, horse riding, fights.

  • But it was a very happy, very, very happy job

  • and fun to be on a set that scale.

  • It had a lot of money behind it.

  • Guy runs a very happy set.

  • A lot of music being played.

  • I think while we were cooking that one,

  • we were already thinking about a second.

  • [light playful instrumental music]

  • This is the most complicated one I've ever seen by far.

  • Well, Hugo.

  • So I'd already worked with Marty on The Aviator.

  • To work with someone of his caliber

  • and import is just a dream come true, really.

  • So to be asked to go back and do it, play another part,

  • it was wonderful, a real compliment.

  • I read the book to my children.

  • It was a really important book, actually.

  • I read to my children.

  • I don't anymore, but I used to read

  • to my children all the time.

  • This particular book had a real impact on them

  • because there are pages of text,

  • and then there are all the wonderful illustrations

  • that go on for pages and pages and pages,

  • which you can interpret and where the story takes

  • on a dream quality that the children can comment on.

  • So I had a real attachment to it.

  • Just being able to sit back

  • and observe Martin Scorcese's energy on a set,

  • great way to learn and a great way to be inspired

  • about the art form passion he has.

  • The insight and the knowledge he has

  • of the history of film, it's really infectious.

  • Who's this interesting author?

  • I inquired of Monsieur John.

  • To my surprise, he was distinctly taken aback.

  • - Don't you know?

  • - [Jude] He asked.

  • - Don't you recognize him?

  • - Like so many other people, I had just been a huge fan

  • of Wes Anderson's for years and years,

  • right back to Bottle Rocket.

  • I would turn to his films like holidays.

  • Life Aquatic was a film I would disappear in,

  • and life always felt better in a Wes Anderson film,

  • even if you were going through a breakup.

  • There was just something about the aesthetic

  • and the worlds he created that you wanted

  • to be in, and I wrote to him.

  • It's just something I do quite a lot,

  • but I wrote to him just thanking him

  • and dropping huge hints that if he ever wanted to cast me,

  • [laughs] I'd be more than happy to work with him.

  • And we ended up meeting in a very Wes Anderson place.

  • We met for tea at Claridge's, and he quite rightly turned up

  • in a tweed suit and tie and slippers.

  • This is [laughs] a funny story, though.

  • He said, yeah, there is a part for you.

  • I'm gonna send you this script.

  • And the character is called the author.

  • So I turn the first page, and it says, first thing, author.

  • I'm like, oh my God, next page, author, author, author.

  • I'm thinking, oh my God, it's the lead.

  • Six pages in, [laughs] he goes, cut back 15 years.

  • I'm like aw, no!

  • Basically, I bookend it.

  • But [laughs] it was still a wonderful opportunity.

  • And I flew out to, oh, this little border town

  • up in the mountains of Germany and Poland, literally right.

  • I go running a lot, and I'd go running

  • in the morning when it wasn't.

  • We stayed, all of us together, in this little hotel

  • which they use in the film, and all the cast would stay

  • in there, and we'd all have dinner together at night.

  • We'd go and watch reference films

  • and what have you in Wes's suite,

  • and then they took over this old communist department store,

  • which became the lobby.

  • And one of my earliest memories of that

  • was they built a little gym for those

  • who wanted to use one, and I went in,

  • and I was training in the morning,

  • and [laughs] F Murray Abraham came in.

  • And he said do you mind if I warm up?

  • And I was like, come on, do we, and what I didn't realize,

  • he [laughs] was talking about vocally. [laughs]

  • So I'm silently doing sit ups,

  • and then I just hear

  • Meh

  • Bup bup bup bup bup bup bup bup bup bup

  • Pome pome

  • Buh buh buh duh duh duh do do do bah duh duh bah

  • And [laughing] he just stood there

  • because, of course, F Murray Abraham

  • has this incredible voice.

  • And so he was warming up vocally

  • while I'm [laughs] doing weights, going like this.

  • Fantastic.

  • [light bright piano music]

  • However long you keep me and my friends under surveillance,

  • you're not going to discover plots against you, Travis,

  • because we want the same thing, the defeat of Grindelwald.

  • I read my children Harry Potter, took them to see the films,

  • and I loved Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them.

  • I don't remember at what point, but someone suddenly said,

  • oh, they're gonna want a Dumbledore.

  • I went through an audition process,

  • and it was a process I hadn't don't in awhile,

  • and it was fun to do because you also felt

  • like you oughta make sure you were married to this part.

  • You didn't get it [laughs] and buckle

  • because there's a great responsibility

  • that comes with playing Albus Dumbledore.

  • I think one of the beautiful moments

  • in preparation was working with JK Rowling,

  • and I spent an afternoon

  • where she just gave me the entire history

  • of this great character.

  • And I remember I went in, and she was having tea.

  • She had these incredible heels on,

  • and she said, okay, she said,

  • if you don't mind, I'm gonna stand up.

  • And she stood up for nearly three hours

  • and just walked up and down, talk, talk, it just came out.

  • It's just living in her.

  • And I'm sitting there, scribbling down notes

  • and getting all this incredible insight into this character,

  • which I had a little opportunity to use in this current one.

  • And then next year, I go ahead, and we do another chapter,

  • so there's more to come with that.

  • There's something wonderful about embodying someone

  • with magical power,

  • trying to understand what that might be like,

  • but there's also something painful

  • about Albus, something sad.

  • Just a beautiful literary character

  • that was a real privilege to be able

  • to bring to life.

  • There are two of us, John.

  • You're gonna have to deal with me.

  • - There is no dealing with the devil.

  • You are a danger to others, a rash, unreasonable child.

  • It doesn't matter; I am the Pope.

  • - I was coming to the end of a job,

  • really trying to get a sense of what do I wanna do,

  • and who's out there, and what's happening?

  • And I'm one of these people.

  • I'm always making lists, and I try and see

  • as much as I can 'cause I'm also a big film fan.

  • I'd seen Il Divo, and I'd seen La Grande Bellezza,

  • and Paolo was absolutely at the top of this list.

  • And then you sit there thinking,

  • well, how do I make that work?

  • Maybe I need to learn Italian.

  • And I promise you, within a week,

  • a get a letter from Paolo, saying oh, I have an idea.

  • Will you meet me?

  • We sit down, and he's written this two-page document

  • about this young American pope who drinks Cherry Coke Zero

  • and smokes Marlboro Lights,

  • this conservative, dogmatic, terrifying reformist

  • who doesn't believe in God. [laughs]

  • I had to stop myself salivating, I think, in front of him.

  • He started writing, and this extraordinary web

  • of intrigue and character and politics

  • and social economic politics in the back rooms

  • of the Vatican started to come together.

  • And I started learning Latin.

  • That was my greatest fear with all the speeches in Latin.

  • I started learning those months before

  • because, well, I found them very hard to learn.

  • I do a lot of theater, so I don't find lines hard to learn,

  • but learning another, yeah, that was very hard.

  • It was an extraordinary experience living in Rome

  • for nine months, working with this team

  • who have made almost every film with Paolo

  • that worked like clockwork in silence around him.

  • It's like he's famous for these extraordinary set pieces,

  • but he comes on set, he makes his decision,

  • and there's no hanging around.

  • It's not like you sat waiting for him

  • to work it out or practice it hours on end.

  • It's a very swift process.

  • There was also a strange sense of zen

  • because 99% of the time, they were speaking Italian.

  • Lenny has this almost insular world that he operates from,

  • and so people speaking another language

  • around me helped me disappear into this world

  • and behind this veneer.

  • And I worked with this acting coach I've been working with

  • around 10 years, and she's always saying to me,

  • you are enough, you are enough.

  • And what she means by that is you do the work,

  • and you don't need to show everyone how hard you're working.

  • Some actors do, but I think it's more effective

  • when you do the work and you're just then present,

  • and Lenny was a real great opportunity

  • to put that to practice, to try and have faith

  • in stillness and faith in presence over projection.

  • Let the presence be the projection.

  • And then we had the keys to the city; it was extraordinary.

  • We were filming in palazzos and gardens

  • that no one ever gets to see.

  • They were like opening up treasure troves.

  • It was extraordinary to go to work everyday

  • and see these historical significant spaces

  • and wonders.

  • We completed it, and, to me, that was the beginning

  • and the end of Lenny Belardo.

  • And then, about seven months, eight months later,

  • Paolo calls me and says that he's got an idea

  • of maybe how to take the story further.

  • He told me that in Venice,

  • the day that we premiered The Young Pope,

  • and I would not have been interested

  • had it not been anything other, really, than what he's done.

  • I would consider myself an existentialist.

  • I was turned onto it first by David Cronenberg

  • when I made eXistenZ, and he turned me

  • onto Dostoevsky, Kierkegaard, Camus.

  • What I realized was that it was a natural state of mind,

  • one that I'd been living in and by

  • since I was a teenager, really.

  • And it's this idea of taking responsibility

  • to try and live in the present.

  • It's like a faith in a way that I think you need

  • to mature because every time you shift in your life

  • or you take on board something else

  • or you have a new relationship or your world expands,

  • it needs applying to.

  • But I've always been intrigued by it,

  • and it's not something I necessarily conquered

  • or achieved, but it's something that I've been drawn to

  • and that I find spiritually fulfilling.

  • That's interesting.

  • I've not necessarily seen it that clearly in my work,

  • but I think you're right.

  • It's a good observation. [muffled speaking]

  • I'm thrilled you said that. [interviewer laughs]

  • I'm gonna steal it.

  • If ever asked to sum up my career, I'll say existentialist.

  • [interviewer laughs] [soft contemplative music]

- Well, there is a pressure,

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