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  • [screaming]

  • [blood splatters]

  • - You'll probably be surprised to know

  • that very little of this is historical.

  • - Come and get them!

  • - Ya, ya!

  • - Just a flesh wound.

  • [sword scrapes]

  • [crowd cheers]

  • - I'm Larry Zanoff,

  • Lead armorer at Independent Studio Services

  • the largest prop house in the world.

  • - And I'm Kelly Devries,

  • professor of history at Loyola University Maryland

  • and honorary historical consultant

  • for The Royal Armouries, UK,

  • Today, we're going to review arms and armor

  • from film and TV.

  • - Both from a prop maker's perspective

  • - And a historian's perspective.

  • "A Knight's Tale"

  • [crowd cheering]

  • [dramatic orchestral music]

  • [horse whinnies]

  • - [Larry] So, from a prop making perspective, of course,

  • this is a very difficult scene.

  • We have real horses charging at each other,

  • we got real guys mounted on top of 'em.

  • [crowd cheers]

  • If you look real good on these particular lances,

  • they are breakaway props

  • and they've actually been stuffed

  • with a form of dry spaghetti.

  • So that when it shatters,

  • you get that classic splintering

  • that occurs on camera.

  • Any time you can film something for real

  • it's better than CGI,

  • so that's one of the tricks we use

  • to be able to film a real joust

  • but without injuring anyone

  • and still get that kinda

  • spectacular explosion.

  • Very dynamic

  • and if gives you the feel of how much force

  • is behind

  • the lance as it hits and shatters.

  • Multiples upon multiples would've been created

  • by the prop crew,

  • by the prop makers,

  • months and months and months before.

  • - Not that far off from what a medieval tournament

  • would've been. - Correct.

  • - Because, every knight wouldn't shown up with

  • multiple lances

  • expecting to break them on contact.

  • - And you are?

  • - Ulrich von Lichtenstein from Gelderland.

  • - Ulrich vo Lichtenstein, Heath Ledger,

  • is a professional tournamenter.

  • He goes from tournament to tournament to tournament.

  • Well these guys, that's how they made their living.

  • And so they had a term for them.

  • They were called "free lancers".

  • Consequently, the term has come down

  • free lancers, somebody working

  • on contract

  • for victory in a tournament in this case.

  • [crowd cheers]

  • And we have to remember,

  • the tournaments are games.

  • That's all they are,

  • they're martial games.

  • Nobody is supposed to die in these.

  • On the other hand,

  • you see the blow to the face.

  • The blow to the face is very interesting

  • because when the knights were jousting

  • they would have a small shield on them

  • called a targe,

  • which was a target,

  • and the only points they could score

  • is if they hit that

  • or they hit the face.

  • You scored no points if you hit the torso

  • and if you hit the arms

  • you sometimes lost points.

  • So, this point that he takes right in the face

  • is very accurate.

  • I wonder now a days,

  • we're so conscious about concussion protocols

  • and I think,

  • how many of these knights getting hit in the face

  • say, "Oh, you get the points."

  • and the other guy is really in concussion protocol

  • at that point.

  • "Game of Thrones"

  • [intense drumming]

  • [arrows whizzing]

  • - Yah, yah!

  • - "Game of Thrones" is what we call medievalism.

  • It isn't set in the Middle Ages,

  • but it is using medieval weapons,

  • medieval armor,

  • medieval tendencies.

  • Jon's brother is running away from Ramsay Bolton

  • who's going to shoot arrows at him.

  • Big mistake he makes is he runs in a straight line.

  • Don't run in a straight line

  • if you're being shot at with a bow.

  • The technique here is good.

  • The bow is weird.

  • How exactly this bow is made.

  • But it is a longbow of sorts.

  • And he is pulling it back as far as he can.

  • And he gets quite a great distance on it.

  • [arrow whizzes]

  • The swords themselves are pretty accurate.

  • These are hand-and-a-half sword,

  • which is the most common sword in the Middle Ages.

  • That's not their term, that's ours.

  • But that meant that it could be used with

  • one or two hands.

  • And we often see the sword being wielded

  • by Jon or by anybody else

  • with one or two hands.

  • The other thing I like about this

  • is Ramsay has a dagger.

  • Now, it's not the way a medieval knight

  • would have worn it.

  • He would have worn it down the left thigh.

  • But he does have a dagger

  • and you can see how sharp and long it is

  • because that's the death dealing weapon

  • in the Middle Ages.

  • A lot of scenes in medieval battles

  • never shows what is probably one of the

  • worst things on the battle field

  • which is thirst.

  • Medieval battles were often very short,

  • but if it went on for very long,

  • the aspect of thirst and fatigue

  • took over so much.

  • We have scenes in medieval chronicles where

  • the soldiers are sucking the hilts of their swords

  • to get the little bit of moisture out of the leather

  • in order to keep going,

  • in order to not die of thirst.

  • - There's the one famous problem that we have

  • as Jon Snow's jumping up onto his horse

  • and he's got a floppy sword, right?

  • - There was a lot of talk about this on the internet.

  • People were going, "Oh, look,

  • "They forgot to put the sword into his scabbard."

  • But that's not true.

  • 'Cause if you look at the clip,

  • you can actually see the grip of the sword

  • and the crossbar of the hilt

  • at the top of the scabbard.

  • And yet the scabbard is flapping around

  • like there's nothing in it.

  • There's a perfectly logical explanation for this.

  • The reason that it flops around like

  • there's no blade inside

  • is because there's no blade inside.

  • [Kelly laughs]

  • This wouldn't been a stunt rig

  • that has a handle as if there's a sword

  • in the scabbard

  • but there's no blade attached to that handle.

  • And there's several different reasons

  • why that may have occurred.

  • Later on in the scene,

  • his horse stumbles and he kinda does

  • one of these hero moment somersaults

  • right off of the horse.

  • [horse neighs]

  • That would've been a very difficult,

  • if not downright dangerous

  • thing for the actor or stunt person

  • to do.

  • And normally when you have big scenes like this

  • the film maker will always want to do

  • one or two what we call "master shots"

  • where it's big, wide shot

  • from start to finish.

  • And so there was no room to cut

  • in between him hopping on the horse

  • and him falling off the horse

  • to change out that stunt blade.

  • So, it's more a safety issue.

  • It's not an issue of neglect.

  • It wasn't like the prop crew forgot

  • about putting,

  • I mean, this is Jon Snow,

  • Longclaw is his sword.

  • It's made of Valyrian steel.

  • It doesn't flop around like that.

  • But in this particular case,

  • the safety overruled what they were doing

  • as far as the prop itself.

  • [horses galloping]

  • - [Kelly] "Gladiator".

  • We're in the middle imperial period

  • Roman history.

  • Maximus has been captured

  • and sold as a slave into the gladiator arena

  • as many slaves were.

  • And we see him in his first gladiatorial bout.

  • - The movie is "Gladiator"

  • and there's a lot of props in it.

  • But, what's the main prop gonna be?

  • - [Kelly] It's the gladius.

  • - [Larry] It's gonna be the gladius, exactly.

  • - [Kelly] I mean, gladiators are called gladiators

  • because they used the gladius.

  • - [Larry] Exactly.

  • - [Kelly] They made them in an industrial fashion

  • with a low carbon iron for the blade,

  • not particularly sharp,

  • and a wooden hilt

  • that was not particularly varied.

  • Roman soldiers show up,

  • here's your gladius.

  • Almost like a GI might get a gun, or whatever.

  • - The Roman Empire was built on the gladius,

  • a short, thrusting sword, and yet,

  • here he is with these big wide arcs,

  • and he's slashing and cutting.

  • [crowd shouting] [man grunting]

  • [sword slashes and clinks]

  • And it just wasn't designed for that.

  • - It would have been used behind a shield,

  • shield protecting the soldier,

  • soldier using a sharp point

  • to kill his opponent

  • or wound his opponent

  • and move forward.

  • This is not the way he would've used it.

  • - Are you not entertained?

  • - Unfortunately, we can't use real swords

  • in that,

  • in our version of the fight.

  • So we do things like,

  • we dull down the edges.

  • That allows the actor to have the real

  • weight of the sword.

  • Gives them the feeling of really being

  • in a sword fight.

  • We'll also make an aluminum version

  • so you can actually

  • do stage combat.

  • Contact with the blades.

  • And then we'll probably do a rubber

  • or maybe even a retractable.

  • So you can stab someone and pull it out

  • without actually injuring the actors.

  • And if you watch the scene itself,

  • there's that classic Hollywood,

  • you can almost see where the sword is going

  • right under the armpit of the guy on the far side

  • of the camera

  • and he kinda traps it there.

  • - Maximus slashes a couple of times,

  • which isn't real,

  • and then he does exactly what

  • he would have been trained to do

  • which is to thrust with those swords.

  • - You can see,

  • he's actually stabbing something.

  • There's a little bit of movement

  • in the blades.

  • But that could actually be from

  • what they were stuck in.

  • Chances are these were actually stuck into

  • a mannequin.

  • And so they're just hangin' there in the mannequin wobbling.

  • And, of course, if I stabbed you right now

  • with a gladius - Don't.

  • - It would probably just - Please don't.

  • - Wobble just a bit.

  • You know.

  • So, this is as close as you can get in film making

  • to actually stabbing someone in the arena

  • and seeing what that would be like.

  • It's very well done in this film.

  • - Yeah, it's almost disappointing afterwards, then,

  • to see the decapitation,

  • because that does look bad.

  • [metallic clank]

  • - The decapitation scene,

  • for me is really bad.

  • First of all, like we said,

  • the gladius was probably not sharp enough

  • to actually be able to do that.

  • Even if Roman gladiuses were

  • it's not a slashing weapon,

  • it's a stabbing or thrusting weapon.

  • And then lastly,

  • he's taking the two swords

  • and he's cutting inward.

  • Your body is limiting your slash

  • so you're robbing yourself of energy.

  • If anything,

  • and outward cut would've been,

  • maybe giving him a little bit of

  • an edge [Kelly laughs]

  • to be able to get this done.

  • But, that, to me,

  • just went that one step too far, I agree.

  • [soldiers clash shields and shout]

  • - [Kelly] "300"

  • - Remember this day, men.

  • For it will be yours

  • for all time.

  • - [Kelly] The most famous battle in the ancient world.

  • Here we see Leonidas

  • with his 300 Spartans

  • in the Hot Gates,

  • which is what Thermopylae was called,

  • and you can still see 'em today.

  • In "Gladiator",

  • the main weapon is the gladius,

  • the sword.

  • In ancient Greek warfare,

  • it was the hoplite was the main soldier

  • and he carried a hoplon.

  • Deriving his name from the shield.

  • The very important armor that

  • protected him in all of his conflicts.

  • There are all pretty men in this film.

  • And I'm not saying that the Spartans themselves

  • weren't pretty,

  • but clearly Hollywood is wanting to show

  • the chest muscles.

  • No self respecting Spartan ever would've gone into

  • a battle without having torso armor on.

  • I like the fact that Leonidas

  • has put his troops in this kind of

  • modified phalanx.

  • - Your father should have taught you

  • how a phalanx works.

  • - Phalanx was a triangular formation where

  • the lead man

  • would have his shield overlap

  • the one behind him

  • and the one behind him

  • and that would be filled

  • so it wasn't hollow,

  • but it was a full group of men

  • formed in that triangular manner.

  • And they would hit another phalanx

  • or hit another unit

  • and push them into their direction

  • while using their spears behind their shields

  • in order to mow down the front ring.

  • It's kind of a moveable field fortification.

  • With the shields.

  • - And, correct me if I'm wrong,

  • but the strength of the phalanx was,

  • it wasn't just the front row with the spear.

  • The spears were long enough

  • that you had three or four ranks

  • reaching through.

  • And so you're attacking this

  • giant porcupine of spears.

  • It's not something the enemy

  • would really want to run up against.

  • It would be tough to defeat them in battle.

  • - So, spears they use.

  • That's a main offensive weapon.

  • It's a wooden shaft with a

  • metal tip as we can see.

  • Those are the ones we can always see on screen.

  • And they're pretty good.

  • What is less known

  • is that there's also a tip at the end.

  • And this goes into the ground

  • and so the hoplite can actually use this

  • coming out

  • and use the pressure of the ground

  • as well as his own thrusting.

  • - [Larry] To reinforce.

  • - To reinforce and also to help stop

  • the phalanx from being pushed back too far.

  • - One good example of the movie making process

  • slipping in is the shields.

  • Some of them were sourced as leftovers

  • from the movie "Troy".

  • Because it's expensive.

  • Just like back then it was expensive

  • to make shields,

  • it's expensive to make 'em now.

  • But the give away for me

  • as far as it being a prop really,

  • is the uniformity.

  • Every one of them

  • has that great lambda on them.

  • Which wasn't even necessarily historically correct

  • for that period.

  • If you had

  • every shield individualized

  • like they probably did back then,

  • it would become very expensive for the prop makers.

  • The spears, of course,

  • we see some of then shattering.

  • Those would've had to have been breakaways.

  • Purposely made props

  • that are prescored in some way

  • to shatter at a specific point.

  • 'Cause we can't just have it shatter,

  • we have to have it shatter

  • at the same point

  • over and over and over again

  • because we do take two,

  • take three, take four, take five.

  • It's just an immense amount of effort

  • gets poured into making the props.

  • And then you kind of jump 30% more

  • to give yourself a cushion.

  • Because there's always that unknown

  • that can happen out on the set.

  • We have a saying in the prop world,

  • "If you have one, you have none."

  • - This is where they die!

  • - "Monty Python and the Holy Grail".

  • [swords clashing]

  • You'll probably be surprised to know

  • that very little of this is historical.

  • The scene is made for the ridiculous.

  • [helmet clangs]

  • There are things we can learn.

  • You'll notice the swords.

  • Of course, they're both doing

  • this is a sword duel

  • and then the swords are going to be

  • preposterously sharp.

  • They're too long.

  • That we should say off the bat.

  • But,

  • the interesting thing is

  • how if you wanted to kill somebody

  • on the battlefield in the Middle Ages

  • how would you do it?

  • And you had a dagger.

  • And very few people killed with a sword.

  • If you've got your opponent demobilized

  • and they're on the ground or whatever,

  • bring out your dagger,

  • go into the carotid artery

  • go into the underarm, into the heart.

  • Go up the groin and into the femoral artery.

  • Or, always a good choice,

  • the knife in the eye.

  • The reality of medieval warfare

  • is not many people died.

  • And the reason they didn't die

  • is that everybody was worth money.

  • The better your armor was,

  • the better your weapons were,

  • was a sign that you could pay for yourself

  • being captured

  • and therefore not die.

  • There's actually a name derived from this

  • which is called "blackmail".

  • In a tournament,

  • the victor won the armor of the opponent.

  • And he could sell it back to him.

  • In fact, he didn't want an extra pair

  • of armor around,

  • so he would sell it back to the opponent

  • and this became known as "blackmail".

  • The reason why is because the men who were seated

  • in these tournaments usually wore black mail

  • because they didn't polish their armor.

  • And thus we get blackmail.

  • [blood splatters]

  • - Clearly, we're not cutting arms

  • and limbs off of an actor,

  • but we've faked it

  • very effectively, I think,

  • in some way.

  • We got the geyser of blood pumping out.

  • - Victory is mine!

  • - That's obviously either a hose

  • that's connected off camera

  • to a special effects apparatus

  • that's pumping the blood,

  • or within the wardrobe,

  • they could've hidden

  • different blood packs

  • and they guy has kind of a little hand pump

  • and he's squirting that out.

  • We get down to the scenes where he's go no legs.

  • The actor, obviously, they dug a hole

  • and he's standing down in the hole

  • and it looks like he's standing on the

  • stumps of his,

  • you know,

  • of his legs.

  • - All right, we'll call it a draw.

  • - [Kelly] 'Maximillian"

  • [rain pours] [swords clash]

  • - When I first saw this scene,

  • I was just blown away.

  • It's just very, very impressive.

  • The number one thing that jumps out at me

  • about this scene is

  • it's raining.

  • [intense drums]

  • That's not real rain,

  • that's a rain effect.

  • We can control this rain.

  • It can be raining all day long

  • on that set.

  • That means the stunt people,

  • the crew that are surrounding them,

  • all the background actors,

  • they're all getting drenched.

  • There might've been some protective clothing

  • underneath the armor.

  • Electric battery warming socks

  • and things like that to keep,

  • maybe even a wet suit,

  • to try to keep the actors dry.

  • Because it is very fatiguing

  • to work under those conditions.

  • Also, the props themselves

  • don't always stand up very well

  • in those rainy conditions.

  • Metal, of course, rusts.

  • Rubber swords that are painted,

  • the paint would start bubbling up

  • and everything.

  • And then not the least of which

  • is continuity-wise.

  • Puddles on the ground are gonna be

  • getting bigger and smaller

  • depending on the stage of the battle.

  • And when you go back to do take two,

  • take three, take four,

  • you always want to start out

  • at the same continuity point.

  • So, there's a lot of stuff going on

  • in this scene

  • and it's done very, very well.

  • - Of all the scenes we've seen,

  • this is by far the most accurate.

  • [swords clashing] [rain pouring]

  • I'd say this maybe the most accurate scene

  • I've seen in any Hollywood production

  • or any movie production of the Middle Ages.

  • Whoever has gone out and acquired the armor.

  • You can see the way that it folds over the body

  • and how fluid it is,

  • and how much it works,

  • how protective it is,

  • how many different ridges there are.

  • All of this shows great research

  • and great ability to understand what

  • a medieval combat like this was.

  • Here you will see they are wearing armor

  • completely on the body.

  • That's because this isn't the regulated game

  • being played by the two opponents

  • of "The Knight's Tale".

  • [screaming]

  • In this case,

  • they really are fighting

  • and they're fighting to show manliness.

  • To do so, they can hit anywhere,

  • and they are.

  • So, they have to be protected.

  • Swords are a little long,

  • they wouldn't have been used in battle

  • but the armor here could've gone

  • right onto the battlefield

  • from this tournament.

  • [intense battle drums]

  • Here's the perfect example

  • where we can see that helmets

  • were purchased by medieval soldiers

  • based on a number of different reasons.

  • Visibility is essential, of course,

  • but he has very small visibility.

  • Both helmets have very small visibility

  • because they are in a duel situation

  • where they might get hit in the face.

  • But what's better is we got the perspective

  • out of his eye.

  • [swords clash]

  • You can see how limited now

  • the eyesight is.

  • The protection of the eyes

  • was the most essential thing.

  • Combats were supposed to be over quickly.

  • And so breathing becomes an issue

  • but not if they're over in the time

  • that it's supposed to be.

  • There's enough oxygen in the helmet

  • to keep 'em alive.

  • I want you to notice, though,

  • not just the armor that is in the sequence.

  • Those two guards are armored exactly like they should be.

  • The kettle helms,

  • and that's what they're called, kettle helmets,

  • are perfect.

  • Their armor is perfect.

  • It's downgraded.

  • This is just a marvelous scene

  • from beginning to end.

  • Films and TV are always going to mix

  • history and entertainment.

  • Some do it very well,

  • and some not at all.

  • - But it's important to remember

  • what we're doing.

  • And what we're doing is telling a story.

  • Even if it's not 100% historically accurate,

  • Hollywood is still very successful

  • in getting the message across.

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