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  • Hi, Hillary.

  • Hi.

  • Hi, Ellen.

  • The last time you were here, you were sitting here

  • saying that, when you're elected,

  • you were going to let us do our show in the White House.

  • That's right, I did say that.

  • Yeah, we didn't get to do it.

  • Well, we didn't get to do it.

  • No, we did not.

  • But there is a different kind of show going on.

  • There is.

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • There is a show going on.

  • I'm sure you're watching.

  • But I'll talk to whoever's next and see

  • if we can get that done.

  • All right.

  • That's a deal?

  • Yeah, yeah, I want to--

  • exactly.

  • Because I would like to do the show in the White House.

  • Yeah.

  • Yeah.

  • Yeah.

  • I'd love you to.

  • I would love to do it.

  • This is--

  • Dancing, too.

  • Keep the dancing, right?

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • More dancing.

  • More dancing.

  • Moore dancing in the world, that's what we need,

  • happiness and dancing.

  • This is a big week.

  • You're here.

  • The president was just--

  • Trump was just acquitted by the Senate of his impeachment.

  • Does that surprise?

  • Did you expect that?

  • Well, I wasn't surprised.

  • Because it's hard to get 67 votes

  • to convict and remove somebody.

  • But I was still disappointed that not more

  • of the Republicans were willing to take the stand that Mitt

  • Romney took.

  • Mitt Romney.

  • Mitt Romney.

  • Yeah.

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • He made an absolutely extraordinary speech

  • on the floor of the Senate, talking about

  • why he felt the weight of history on his shoulders,

  • and that he was going to vote to convict on one

  • of the articles of impeachment.

  • Look, the evidence was really clear.

  • There was no doubt by the time it

  • was all presented that, actually, the president had

  • done what he was accused of.

  • In fact, he'd admitted that he had

  • done what he was accused of.

  • He just didn't think that anybody

  • would hold him accountable.

  • So we're now moving on.

  • But I hope that voters and Americans

  • of all political stripes actually

  • pay attention and say to themselves, hey,

  • he has to be held accountable.

  • And now, the way to do that is in the election.

  • Yep, yep.

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • And like you said, this is just people doing what's right

  • and what's--

  • I mean, Mitt Romney is a Republican.

  • The fact that he is standing and saying, no, this is not right,

  • is a very important thing.

  • Well, it was really important.

  • And it was the first time in our history

  • that there has ever been a bipartisan vote to convict,

  • it was the first time ever.

  • But also, if you actually listen, as I did,

  • to what a lot of the other Republican senators said,

  • they all said things like, this is terrible behavior,

  • it was inappropriate, it wasn't right,

  • he shouldn't have done it, I hope

  • he doesn't do anything bad again,

  • but I'm not going to vote to convict.

  • So even the words of senators who

  • ended up voting to acquit him need to be remembered.

  • Because for whatever combination of reasons,

  • they were not willing to take the historic stand

  • that Mitt Romney took, who, remember

  • was the Republican nominee for president not so long ago,

  • got more than 60 million votes.

  • And so his taking that stand, combined

  • with all of the other remarks that

  • different Republican senators had to say,

  • there's no doubt what the president did was wrong.

  • It was to promote his own personal interests, not

  • the interests of our country.

  • It did put our national security at risk.

  • And everything that was said was proven.

  • So now it's voters who are going to have to say, OK,

  • I have to take responsibility for this

  • and follow Mitt Romney's lead.

  • Yeah, I hope this is going to be the biggest voter turnout ever.

  • I mean, this is the most important--

  • Yes, right, right.

  • I mean, we really--

  • and now that you have a lot of these-- the voters

  • for the Democrat side, they aren't

  • ready to make a decision yet.

  • I mean, what do you say to these people who are still undecided?

  • Look, the primary process is very long.

  • It's very rigorous.

  • It's difficult. Candidates will have ups and downs.

  • I know that very well, myself.

  • And I say two things.

  • I say, vote for the person that you believe

  • can actually win in November and the person who you think

  • can govern our country.

  • Because somebody has to get in there

  • and try to bring our country together,

  • and try to put us on the right track into the future

  • and restore our democracy, and our standing in the world.

  • So it's those two factors, who do you think can win?

  • Because if you don't win, you can't govern.

  • And who can best govern at a very difficult time

  • in American history.

  • Because it seems to me, more than ever,

  • we need somebody who is going to go in and be

  • able to kind of steer this ship in the right direction instead

  • of going to an extreme.

  • Yes.

  • Do you have somebody you're leaning towards right now?

  • Will you even say?

  • No.

  • I am saying the same thing to everybody.

  • Please look at the candidates.

  • And clearly, you'll like somebody better than others.

  • And then analyze that person's positions, and their message,

  • and can that person win?

  • Because remember, it's not the popular vote.

  • It's the electoral college.

  • Because I got 3 million more votes but lost by 70,000 or so

  • in the electoral college.

  • And so you've got to be very clear minded about who can win.

  • But it's not enough just to win.

  • You want somebody who, as you rightly said,

  • is going to try to get us back on track.

  • You know, we have so much to be proud of in our country.

  • We have so many wonderful people and great things

  • that are going on.

  • But we need to get back into what

  • I call the future business.

  • We need to be investing in our future.

  • That means dealing with climate change.

  • That means dealing with health care.

  • It means making the economy work for everybody.

  • And these things are not easy to do.

  • So you need somebody who knows how to govern.

  • And I just want everybody to pay attention.

  • Because as you say, we really should have the biggest turnout

  • ever in this next election.

  • And not just listen to what people are saying they can do,

  • because anyone can say anything.

  • Like in your documentary, you refuse

  • to say things that you knew you couldn't get done.

  • And you could have said a lot of things.

  • I mean, the documentary is so good.

  • I can't wait for people to see it.

  • It's really, really good and revealing.

  • We have to take a break.

  • But I'm just so glad to see you again.

  • And I love this documentary.

  • And people will see so--

  • what a life you've had.

  • What a life you've had.

  • We'll be back.

  • We're back with Hillary Clinton.

  • So this documentary, which is on Hulu--

  • which will be on Hulu.

  • I don't know when it comes out.

  • March 6th.

  • March 6th, it's so good.

  • It is a four-part docuseries.

  • You really didn't plan on doing this.

  • But you had all this footage from campaigning

  • and from your life.

  • And they put a documentary together.

  • Well, originally, I thought it was

  • going to be a kind of behind the scenes look at the campaign.

  • Because we had about 1,700 hours of footage

  • that was backstage, on the plane, on the bus.

  • I, mean everything that people were interested in,

  • we had all this footage.

  • And a couple of folks said, how about a campaign documentary?

  • I said, fine.

  • And Hulu ended up buying it and hired

  • a director who I met before the decision was made.

  • I thought she was terrific.

  • And so she came back to me.

  • She looked at all the 1,700 hours.

  • Then she came back to me.

  • She goes, you know, there's a bigger story here.

  • And, yes, it's a story about your life.

  • But it's also a story about women's lives

  • over the last 50 to 60 years.

  • It's about the women's movement.

  • It's about the American political system.

  • And we'd like to do more than just a behind the scenes look.

  • I said, OK, sounds good.

  • I still didn't really have any idea what this would entail.

  • So I ended up doing 35 hours of interviews.

  • And I was amazed when I finally saw

  • the documentary myself at who she had tracked down,

  • the people that she talked to.

  • And there's a really--

  • it's probably only personal to me and my closest friends.

  • But there's a woman in the documentary who was my best

  • friend since sixth grade.

  • And she had breast cancer.

  • And she'd been fighting it for 10 years.

  • And the director, Nanette Burstein, called her and said,

  • would you be willing to be interviewed?

  • And Betsy said sure.

  • So they interviewed her.

  • And she was very sick when they interviewed her.

  • And she died shortly after that.

  • So for me, watching the documentary,

  • and seeing people from my childhood,

  • from my young adulthood, obviously, people

  • from my campaigns, and working on health care, everything

  • we did, for me, seeing my dear, dear friend in that documentary

  • shortly before we lost her just made it so real.

  • I mean, there are things in it that I didn't remember, Ellen.

  • I mean, there's a scene that the director and her staff,

  • her team, found where I was working on affordable health

  • care.

  • And I was being burned in effigy because I

  • wanted to get quality affordable health care for everybody.

  • And people are burning me in effigy.

  • And I thought, wow, what does that really tell you

  • about how hard it is to get things done

  • that actually help people?

  • So there's a lot of really interesting insights.

  • And again, not just about me in my life,

  • but about a lot of our lives.

  • Yeah, no, I mean, it really is.

  • I mean, I was just reminded how attacked

  • you were for everything, for you didn't smile enough.

  • And over and over again hearing people didn't like you,

  • and how hard that must be to hear everybody

  • telling you have to dress different,

  • you have to wear your hair different, and nobody likes you

  • and you don't come off warm.

  • And it's just attack, after attack,

  • after attack, which just shows your strength.

  • And they wouldn't do that to a man.

  • They wouldn't attack the way he's dressed, or his hair,

  • or whatever.

  • It's crazy how attacked you were.

  • But what's amazing, too--

  • I want to talk about this now.

  • And then we'll take a break.

  • OK.

  • But there was nothing off topic, that you went there

  • with Monica Lewinsky.

  • President Clinton talked about Monica Lewinsky.

  • Because you said, you can ask anything.

  • Right.

  • Was that really difficult for you?

  • I mean, it must have been really tough to relive that.

  • Yeah, it was.

  • Once I agreed to cooperate, the director

  • said, well, we're going to talk about everything.

  • And I said, OK.

  • And yet, when it actually came time, yeah, it's hard.

  • You know, as I said when I was talking about the book Chelsea

  • and I wrote, The Book of Gutsy Women,

  • that staying in my marriage was the gutsiest personal decision

  • I ever made.

  • And so for me, revisiting that, talking about it,

  • for my husband also to agree to be in the film,

  • and then also to be asked, you know, made it a bit difficult.

  • There's no doubt about it.

  • But you couldn't actually do a film about my life

  • and not cover something that everybody knew about,

  • because you could read about it, and everybody had an opinion

  • about.

  • And it's fascinating.

  • Because as you go through the film, some of the women

  • who have been my friends, and who

  • have supported me personally in every other way,

  • they talked about it.

  • They talked about how so many women

  • would be really upset because I chose to stay with my husband.

  • And they would go and talk to these women.

  • And a lot of the women would say,

  • well, I just can't I can't support her.

  • I don't like her because she stayed with her husband.

  • And they would say, oh, OK, well, why is that?

  • And people would talk.

  • But then pretty soon they would say,

  • well, you know, that happened to my sister.

  • That happened to my friend.

  • That happened-- and I always said,

  • everybody needs to make the best decision

  • for you and your family.

  • And toward the end of the film, one

  • of the people who is both a friend

  • and also worked in my campaigns said, you know,

  • it just was such a strange conversation.

  • Because some of the very same people who would say,

  • I could never support her, would say, literally

  • in the next breath, but I love her husband.

  • I love Bill Clinton.

  • I said, well, I do, too.

  • But it was a really emotionally draining experience

  • to go through it again.

  • But I have to say, once I saw the whole four

  • hours of the documentary, I hope that our talking about this,

  • my willingness to address all of this,

  • really does help other people.

  • I mean, there are lessons.

  • There are lessons from my life, from our times.

  • Because people need to be thoughtful about the decisions

  • they make in their own lives.

  • And we should be kinder and more supportive to everybody

  • who makes the best decisions that they think they can make.

  • Absolutely.

  • It's a fascinating documentary.

  • It's fascinating.

  • I mean, really, when you hear them

  • talk about it, and everything else that you talk about,

  • it's eye opening, and informative.

  • And we'll take a break.

  • More with Hillary after this.

  • That's a very common concern that people still have,

  • that somehow a woman president will act on her emotions.

  • And by the time somebody runs for president,

  • you've actually been through a lot, through a lot of life.

  • Usually, you've been elected to something.

  • Sometimes not.

  • But often, yes.

  • And it really strikes me as quite odd.

  • Because most of the criticism-- and as I alluded to in the clip

  • there--

  • is because I didn't show my emotions enough.

  • I wasn't emotional enough.

  • I should have been, I don't know, emoting more.

  • But I thought, you know it's such a highly

  • responsible, awesome job being president,

  • that I needed to demonstrate that, hey, I can handle this.

  • I can do it.

  • I'm not going to get knocked around.

  • And now, you know we've got one of the most

  • emotionally acting out people ever

  • in the history of our country in the White House.

  • And I don't hear anybody saying, he's just too emotional,

  • you know?

  • So we still have a ways to go until women

  • are going to be judged by the same standards instead

  • of the old double standard.

  • Yeah, it really is crazy.

  • We can really see something for what it is.

  • But we're so used to being women, and being

  • taught to stay quiet or smile more, or whatever,

  • and not yell.

  • And it's a really great documentary.

  • You're getting some heat for some stuff

  • you said about Bernie Sanders.

  • Mm-hm.

  • It must feel good that you can say whatever you want now.

  • Mm-hm.

  • But you want to talk about that moment?

  • Well, it's from the film, which was probably filmed,

  • I don't know, year and a half or so ago.

  • So it wasn't in the midst of the election.

  • But, yeah, I feel like I have a pretty clear perspective

  • about what it's going to take to win.

  • And as I said earlier, that's what

  • I think the key calculation for any voter has to be.

  • But you know, people can have their own opinions

  • about anybody in public life.

  • That's a free country, you get to do that.

  • But I think, as I say in the film,

  • you've got to be responsible for what you say

  • and what you say you're going to do.

  • We need to rebuild trust in our fellow Americans

  • and in our institutions.

  • And if you promise the moon and you can't deliver the moon,

  • then that's going to be one more indicator of how we just

  • can't trust each other.

  • So it's not it's not good theater.

  • It's not, maybe, good politics anymore.

  • But I think you should tell people what you mean,

  • mean what you say, and have some sense of responsibility

  • for how you would get anything done that you talk about.

  • So health care, let's take health care, for example.

  • Look, I want quality, affordable health care for everybody.

  • And I've been fighting for more than 25 years.

  • I've been burned in effigy over it, all of that.

  • I want to get there.

  • But let's remember what's at stake.

  • We have a current president who's

  • trying to take away fundamental health care rights.

  • If you have a preexisting condition,

  • they are in court right now, the Trump administration,

  • trying to take that right away that you got

  • into the Affordable Care Act.

  • So we can have a big argument about, ideally,

  • what kind of health care we should want for everybody.

  • Because I'm on the frontlines on that battle.

  • But let's remember, if we don't win,

  • people will lose what they have right now.

  • So I just want everybody to understand

  • how high the stakes are and to hold

  • every candidate and every public office holder

  • accountable for what they do or they don't do.

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • Last question, last question, if someone

  • asked you to be vice president, would you do it?

  • Well, that's not going to happen.

  • But, no, probably, no.

  • You don't know that's not going to happen.

  • I think I do, yeah.

  • Really?

  • I think I do.

  • Yeah, I think I do.

  • All right.

  • But what if they did?

  • Oh, well, look, it's like when Barack Obama asked

  • me to be Secretary of State.

  • I was shocked.

  • I had no idea he was going to ask me.

  • And I turned him down twice.

  • He said, the economy's in freefall.

  • It's a catastrophe.

  • I've got to focus on that.

  • We've got problems around the world.

  • You go focus on that.

  • I said, no, no, I'm happy where I am.

  • You get somebody else.

  • I'm sure there's good people around.

  • And at the second time I said no, Mr. President-elect, I'm

  • not going to do it, he said, I'm not calling you

  • again until you say yes.

  • And so I'll tell you, I started thinking about it.

  • And I thought, if I'd won, and I'd

  • wanted to ask him to do something,

  • I would have wanted him to do that for me.

  • So I never say never.

  • Because I do believe in serving my country.

  • OK, so you will.

  • But it's not going to happen.

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • So you will.

  • Thank you for putting me in your book of gutsy women.

  • This is Hillary's book with Chelsea.

  • They wrote it, called The Book of Gutsy Women.

  • And it's a fantastic book.

  • And you have been on the forefront fighting

  • for women's rights since you were a young girl,

  • since you were in college.

  • I thank you for everything that you do, everything

  • that you have done for women.

  • As you say, human rights are women's rights,

  • women's rights are human rights.

  • Thank you for that.

  • I'm not stopping yet.

  • Hillary premieres March 6th on Hulu.

  • We'll be right back.

  • Hi, I'm Andy.

  • Ellen asked me to remind you to subscribe to her channel

  • so you can see more awesome videos,

  • like videos of me getting scared, or saying

  • embarrassing things, like ball peen hammer, and also

  • some videos of Ellen and other celebrities, if you're

  • into that sort of thing.

  • Ah!

  • Oh, [BLEEP]!

  • God [BLEEP]!

Hi, Hillary.

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