字幕列表 影片播放 列印英文字幕 Chris Hill: Hey, thanks for watching. We're coming to you from Fool Global Headquarters in Alexandria, Virginia. I'm Chris Hill, here with senior analyst, Jason Moser and Ben Ra. Guys, thanks for being here. Jason Moser: Thank you. Ben Ra: Thank you. Hill: We're going to be talking about what's happening in the market this week, which if you're in an investor, you've already known that there's a lot of red out there. We're going to be taking your questions. Some of you have already asked about where to put your cash, if you've got a little cash on the sidelines. Good news, we've got a free investing starter kit that comes with five stock ideas from our investing team. You can find it at fool.com/start. That's fool.com/start. Check that out, we'll email you the report. Jason, let me start with you, as of this live YouTube, you look at the S&P 500 the Dow Jones Industrial Average, both down about 9% so far this week. We are long-term investors, we think in decades, not in quarters. I'm not going to lie to you, this is a painful week. Moser: [laughs] Painful. I don't know. I guess that depends on perspective. I was kind of happy to see this pullback. Now, I'm not happy for the reason behind the pullback, of course, because I think a lot of this is based on concerns over the coronavirus and how that's playing out on economies over the world. If we think about the global economy today is truly a global economy, right? Technology has made the world much smaller, it’s far more connected, more intricate, more connected supply and consumer chains. So, you see a lot of questions regarding growth coming into play. And it's not even March yet. I think we had a Goldman Sachs report out here earlier today that essentially whittled down earnings growth to zero. That's zero. And that's coming from a pretty heady optimistic time here, just a couple of months ago. So, this is one of those Black Swan events, nothing we could have totally predicted or really foreseen. We know that these types of events are going to happen, we don't know what it's going to be, when it's going to be and how long it's going to last, but here we are. Hill: Ben, when you think about the impact of the coronavirus, to Jason's point, the supply chain issues that it's causing, whatgoes through your mind as an investor, because one thought that I've had and that I've seen out there in sort of the financial media is, some businesses out there are going to have an easier time of getting their supply chains and therefore their businesses up and running, others are already, probably, looking at maybe the last quarter of 2020 and into 2021 before it's business as usual? Ra: Yeah. Generally speaking, I think it's going to be very difficult to predict, but when I look at the market, I focus on what's going on in China a lot. And if you look at the supply chain disruptions there, one of the risks that have been reported, but is somewhat underreported, I think is the level of debt that's in China. So, there is this risk that you can have this chain-reaction, where you have business disruption, you have a lot of companies that are highly indebted. And China is, in general, if you look at total household, government, corporate debt is 300% of GDP. A lot of it is corporate debt. So, if you've been looking at a lot of Chinese companies, as I have, you would have noticed that there's a lot of short-term debt out there. So, when you have this kind of disruption then you have situations where companies are saying, “Well, when's the money coming in, I have to pay my fixed costs?” There's debt maturities, there's interest. I would say there's going to be a lot of missed interests and principal payments, and then you have the possibility that the government will have to inject funds, which they’re already doing now. I think it's likely there's a risk that they'll have to do more. And then you have “other risks,” like, what's going to happen to the currency and what's going to happen to the offshore debt? So, there's all of these different chain-reactions that can take place from the coronavirus. Hill: Jason, you think about what we've seen in the United States in terms of the IPO market over the last -- call it -- six- to ten months, where for a couple of years, Wall Street and everyday investors like us were willing to jump in on companies that weren't profitable, that maybe didn't have the greatest sketched out business plan. And that kind of came to a stop, sort of the midpoint of 2019, the patience ran out. To Ben's point about debt, how concerned are you about monetary policy, which is something we don't really focus on in terms of being business-focused investors? But to Ben’s point, there are a lot of companies out there that are not profitable, that maybe we were willing to give a greater amount of leash to, that maybe as investors we should scale that back a little bit? Moser: Yeah, I absolutely think that it's a good time to take a look at your portfolio, look at the businesses in there and determine which ones are profitable versus which ones are not. And that may sound a little funny, but the fact of the matter is, like you said, a lot of these businesses out here today these high-flying businesses that have been doing so well, they are doing very well based on the promise of a very great future, they are not bringing in that profitability today. And we've had a very accommodative Fed to this point, right. It seems like whenever there's even a hint of headwind or challenging times on the horizon, the Fed is very quick to get in there and ease that monetary policy. It does feel like I've heard more about the Fed responding to the coronavirus as opposed to perhaps the companies that are out there developing a potential vaccine. So, for me, definitely, I was looking through my portfolio just yesterday and doing a little bit of an inventory and looking at some of these businesses and saying, you know what, this business is profitable, this one isn't, how long do I think this company is going to take to get to a clear and sustainable path of profitability? And if it's one where you can't really paint that picture so clearly, you need to keep that in mind, because this could last for a little while. I mean, I don't think this is one of those situations that's going to last indefinitely. I mean it's a temporary situation, but it is difficult to actually figure out how long it may take. One of the data points, I noticed here earlier, in regard to market corrections; which I think, technically, we're now in a market correction. There have been 26 market corrections, not including this one, since World War II. These corrections last around four months on average. So, depending on the situation, it could take a little bit longer, this could end a little bit sooner, we don't know yet, but it's worth knowing what you own. Hill: And, Ben, to the point you made earlier, I mean this is one of those situations, it's going to be incredibly hard to predict. And I'm not trying to downplay what's happening with the coronavirus, it's a very serious health situation. That said, I think, as investors, it's worth taking a step back and realizing what we're seeing in the market, even just the amount of red that we're seeing this week, this comes against the backdrop of a ten-year bull market. So, at least some of what we're seeing is investors -- whether it's institutional investors on Wall Street or everyday investors like you and me -- saying, “You know what, I've done well to this point, if you've been investing over the last five-, ten years. I'm taking a little money off the table,” so to speak. But to go to Jason's point, how are you personally going through your stocks, what are you looking at to sort of determine, okay, maybe it's not from the standpoint of transacting, like, “I'm selling a bunch of stocks that I've done well in,” but maybe it is from the standpoint of, “I've got a watchlist and some of the stocks that were on my watchlist, I'm now removing them from my watchlist.” What are the couple of things that you're looking at? Ra: Well, so, if you focus on the American stock market, the U.S. stock market, it's a bit unique, I would say, because over the last ten years, it's been a great ten years for stock investors here in the U.S. And the U.S. market really has outperformed versus the global indexes. So, I think the unique thing about the U.S. stock market is how top-heavy it is. So, you have these four trillion-dollar companies. So, you're talking about a total market cap of $4 trillion, 20% of GDP, that's really -- if you go back to 2000, the top four companies in the S&P 500 were like 14% of GDP. If you go back 120 years, it was less than probably 1%. So, the big position that these kinds of companies have. If you say, “Well, I'm going to own Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet.” The big four trillion-dollar companies. You say, “Well, I'm hoping for a 15% return over the next four years,” which is pretty reasonable I think for tech companies. That wouldn't mean that their market caps will double over the next four years, so they’ll be a total market cap of $8 trillion or about 35% of GDP. So, is that likely to happen? I would take the under on that. So, I would say diversification is important, so make sure you don't have all your funds into these big FANG trillion-dollar companies. There's a lot of great companies out there. And I would definitely say, a significant amount of diversification as well as cash balance. If you're planning on, you know, buying a depreciating asset like a car, it’s probably not the best time, because there may be better opportunities for your funds in the future. Hill: Jason, you talked about, looking at your own portfolio, sort of, doing an inventory. Probably a good time for every investor to do an inventory of their temperament, because this is one of those times where, as we are reminded, investing in the stock market, we love doing it, we think it's the best way to grow your wealth over time, because that's what the math has demonstrated for the past 100 years, but it's not for everybody. Moser: No. And it's very easy to talk about what you would love to do in the midst of a market sell-off. We talk about how we'd love to see the market pullback, because then it's a fire sale and we go buy whatever we want and however much of it we want. But then you find yourself in the throes of it, it's a little bit more difficult to act. You find yourself second-guessing your investment strategy, the companies that you've been looking at, you find yourself wondering, “Do I really … could perhaps the market go lower?” Of course, it could go lower. I live by the lesson my father taught me years ago, you'll never buy at the bottom, you'll never sell at the top. So, you get used to that and move on. It really does boil down to just finding good businesses. And I think that really is one point of emphasis in times like these. And you and I were talking about this on an episode of MarketFoolery recently. One of the simple checkpoints I have as an investor is to look at these companies that I'm interested in buying or owning and just asking myself the very basic, obvious question, “Is this a good business?” And that can really dictate a lot of what you do from that point forward. Because if the answer is, “Yes, it's a good business.” Well, then you can start taking that question to the next level, but if your answer is, “No,” then that's basically it, done, move on, right. And that, of course, can be a little bit subjective. But I do think there are some pretty objective answers when it comes to figuring out what is a good business and what is not a good business. And just answering that one simple question alone, I think, can help put people's minds at ease. Hill: Alright. We're going to get to your questions in just a couple of minutes. The guys have a couple of stock ideas, if you're looking to build a watchlist. In terms of categories though, Ben, I saw one thing on Twitter today, one analyst firm came out with essentially a basket of stocks that they're calling a “stay at home” basket. Not the worst idea in the world, if you think that the impact of the coronavirus in China, around the world, here in the U.S., is going to mean more people are staying home. And so, it's got some names like, you would probably expect in terms of entertainment, Netflix, video games Activision Blizzard, Tencent, Zynga, Facebook, that sort of thing, food delivery companies. Is that an area, at least, investors should be looking? And follow-up question, before you've even had the chance to answer that one. Are there areas that you're looking at, where you're like, “This is not the time to look at this?” Ra: So, I read something very similar about how if you had invested in these stay-at-home companies and shorted something, like, say you know the cruise ship companies, you would have made, like, 60% just this year, which is very possible and it's a great return, of course, for just one year. So, I mean it's definitely a possibility. A lot of those names actually are stocks that we have looked at, a lot of them they tend to be tech companies like Netflix. So, just the fact that they're not so connected to the physical world, I think that's sort of a long-term trend. We do live in more of a virtual world these days. So, maybe the coronavirus, sort of, highlights that fact. And, yeah, I would say in general those are good names to look at. Moser: I would say, within our little cube here at work, and earlier today, I was talking with Aaron Busch and Emily Flippen, and Matty Argersinger -- you're going to love this, Chris -- we came up with the “Fool on! and chill” basket, okay, much like the Netflix and chill, this is the Fool on! and chill. This is the basket of stocks that we're going to invest in that follow right into this trend of these stay-at-home companies, and a couple of them that have been performing really well. And maybe a little bit of it is a knee-jerk reaction because we're seeing the world moving more towards less human interaction and more human interaction via tech. Zoom Video and of course you got to give a shout-out to Teladoc today, which is having just a banner day, we're seeing the merits of telemedicine particularly at this point in time with coronavirus and other health issues that break out. I do think, while it is a bit of an obvious trend and we can have a little fun with it, I think there is a lot of merit to it, I think there are a lot of great ideas that could build a nice little portfolio of those Fool on! and chill ideas. Hill: I like that idea. I also like that Ben namechecked the cruise industry as a place that you probably don't want to start looking at just yet. Alright, before we get to the questions that are coming in. A lot of great questions. Ben, what's one stock you think folks should put on their watchlist on a day like? Ra: One stock that I really like is a stock that actually, we use here in the company, Slack. Just a business messaging app, it's workplace collaboration. It's something that we use all the time here. And of course, there'sa competitor called Microsoft Teams; and one of the reasons the stock has been in difficult times recently. But the way I see it, I think there's a strong chance that there's going to be a duopoly between those two companies, Microsoft and Slack. And it's a big market out there and I think it's a very fine company. Hill: Jason, what about you? Moser: Yeah, you know, I was thinking a lot about these businesses that aren't supply-constrained or focused on selling you a singular product. And I mean a lot of these companies that I've talked about before, things like ANSYS or Autodesk or Adobe, even The Trade Desk, I think is another example there. But I'll go with Adobe. And one reason is, I actually opened a position in Adobe this week myself. I mean, I've liked this business for a while, it's a recommendation in our Augmented Reality service. And at its core, Adobe is a digital media company. Shares are down about 10% since February 19th, they make a lot of cash. It really is something where the market pegs this market opportunity well over $100 billion. So, even if you cut that in half, it's still an attractive opportunity there. But a really attractive subscription business, tremendous presence in the digital creative industry. 90% gross margins. 90% of the business is subscription-related. And it's just gotten to a point where companies in this digital age can't do without the tools that Adobe is providing. And then they're investing 15% to 20% of their sales every year back into research and development to continue to build out that suite of tools and services that they offer. So, it's a really wonderful business, it's had a lot of time to prove itself there. The stock has obviously been a terrific performer to this point. I think there are plenty of great days ahead for Adobe. Hill: Alright. We'll get to your questions in just a second. Again, if you're enjoying the video, please consider giving us a “thumbs up,” it helps other people find the video and we enjoy doing these videos, and thank you for watching. And again, go to fool.com/start. It's a free investing starter kit with five more stock ideas from the investing team. Let's get to the questions that are coming in. One person asking, “I've got about $3,000 waiting in a portfolio, I want to start investing. Is now a good time to buy an index fund or should I wait a bit more?” A lot of times, Jason, that's our best first step for investing even before getting into stocks. Moser: Yeah, we’ll espouse buying an index fund in good times and in bad. And I'll tell you that my 401(k) here, that money, every paycheck goes into an S&P index fund regardless of market conditions. I think now is as good a time as any to get started in an index fund, because we've seen that index pull back so significantly just over the course of a week here. Again, if you approach this from the perspective of, it is ultimately, albeit a serious one, it's a temporary problem, it will be solved, we will get past this. If you don't believe that then maybe you should be hunkering down in your basement and buying a big old mac and cheese bucket or something like that. But, yeah, I think this is a great time as any to buy into the index, given the pullback. Hill: “I had two friends ask me in the last week, if they should buy shares of 3M? Would you call this speculation or is there any merit in companies like this that might have some direct benefit from global fears of coronavirus?” Ben, 3M, one of those companies that makes so many products, we've all probably got them in our home or office, certainly post-it notes. But I think this is in reference to the fact that among the products they make at 3M, masks. Ra: Yeah. No. 3M is a great company. It’s been around for a long time. But I would say that investing based on just news headlines like this, I would really caution against that. So, investing is something that you do over time, over a long period of time. And just trying to put a bunch of money into a couple stocks just because of a headline is not something that we would recommend. We recommend something that Jason does, which is invest over time to dollar cost average, it takes out the effect of timing where you’re not trying to time the market and try to buy at the bottom. Hill: A question from Sam who asked, “Is it fair to say that investors should be conservative until the COVID19 flu is history?” We were talking before about temperament, Jason, and you mentioned the Goldman Sachs report. I mean, I'll just speak for myself, I know that my expectations as an investor are just a little bit lower than they were a couple of weeks ago. Moser: I think “conservative” is probably a good word, I would just say take it slow. There, I think, can be a bit of a race to put as much of your money to work as you possibly can when you see one day where there's a big sell-off. That's understandable, particularly in today's market where it seems like it does nothing but go up, but as we've seen over the past week here, we're watching day-after-day of +1,000 point drops on the Dow. And so just because it happened one day doesn't mean it can't or won't happen the next. So, I think that this represents a great opportunity to continue putting money to work. But I also think it is a great opportunity to do that slowly. You don't have to get everything in there at one time, particularly now with commissions at zero, you can afford to be patient and methodical, take off a little bit at a time, don't feel like you have to rush, because you never know it can always get a little bit worse. Hill: Another viewer saying, “I'm thinking, I might step back and use the cash that I have, that I would normally invest to put it towards my student loans instead. I know it's best to always be adding to the portfolio, especially when things are discounted, but do you think this is a bad idea?” Ben, great reminder there are a lot of different ways to invest money, we like to invest in stocks, but you can invest in paying down your debt, your mortgage, to your point earlier, maybe not the best time to invest in a new car. Ra: Yeah, I mean, it really depends on your situation there. Anytime you’re paying down debt, that really can't be a terrible thing. So, I would say it’s definitely a possibility. Generally speaking, you want to have some sort of a cash balance that you're comfortable with, that you can use to jump into the market when you see opportunities. So, take that into consideration. Hill: “Are there certain kinds of stocks that are more likely to get punished with the current market conditions?” Well, we already talked about the cruise lines. I mean it really does seem like some of the businesses that are capital intensive and have just tougher supply chains than others -- we saw a report today out of Starbucks that 85% of their stores in China are still open. So, my expectation is that, whether it's Starbucks or any of the restaurant companies that are operating in China, they're going to have a little bit quicker time getting their supply chains up-and-running then say -- well, not to pick on the cruise lines -- but the cruise lines. Ra: Well, I mean, it's going to be different across the board, but if you're selling anything physical, if you're selling a physical product, there's a very high probability that you are going to be affected in some way. There was a study done recently, it was cited in Forbes where they said that of the Fortune 1000 -- so, the 1,000 biggest companies in the U.S. -- only 138 had a direct relationship with a Chinese supplier. But if you look at the number of companies that have a tier-two relationship, so they may not buy from a Chinese company directly, but a company that they buy from buys from a Chinese company. That's way higher, that's like 938. The number was 168, by the way, the previous number, just to be exact. But, yeah, so there is definitely exposure across the board. Hill: I saw one report, Jason, about Apple essentially saying, “Look, we're not giving you any guidance just yet,” but it reminded me that you know some of the businesses that we like to focus on -- and Apple is one of them -- they're selling higher-end products and sales that they are losing right now are not lost forever, they're just delayed as opposed to a Starbucks or Yum! Brands, a restaurant that's operating in China, where the stores are closed, people aren't coming back once they reopen and buying a lot more food or doubling up on their coffee. And it seems like, for businesses like that, maybe they take a short-term hit, but then it's possible that six months from now or a little bit further down the line, we see their earnings reports pop even more, because again, those sales aren't gone forever, they just got pushed into a different quarter. Moser: You know I'm glad you said that. I was actually talking about this last night. And I think Apple is a great example. This has been a sell-off that hasn't really discriminated at all, for the most part. And even Apple, I would argue probably the fittest company in the world, is even being punished on this. But I don't like to look at Apple’s potential revenue shortfalls here for the coming quarter as a miss, I mean, this is more of a delay, like you said, whereas restaurants are going to have a harder time making up for those sales. There's some levers they can pull, Starbucks is really good with things like that trapeze in stoking sales and they can maybe make up for a little bit of lost ground, but for the most part, you're not going to go in and get two cups of coffee because you didn't get the one the day before. And so, I do think there's a lot to be said for that, because when you look at a company like Apple, maybe this current quarter, may be the next quarter they miss expectations, but you can be darn sure they are still there every day innovating and they've got a product line ready to roll out. And I know we just got finished talking about this recent holiday season, but you know what, there's another one coming up and Apple is really good at exploiting their technology on those holiday seasons and really getting it into consumers hands. And so, while maybe there's a miss here this quarter and perhaps a miss next quarter, that doesn't mean they couldn't really knock it out of the park for the final quarters of the year; you have to just keep that in mind. Hill: A question from Danny, “In a market like this, would a dividend portfolio be more solid overlooking at growth stocks currently as a form of hedge.” We've talked any number of times about how we like to diversify in our portfolios that there's room in your portfolio for growth stocks and for dividend payers. But to Danny's question, Ben, do you think over the next month or so, if you've got a watchlist, maybe you want to bump-up the dividend stocks and ratchet back the growth? Ra: Yeah. A lot of it depends on what the dividend payout is. So, I mean a lot of these stocks you're talking about, like a 1% ratio. So, I would not discriminate just based on the dividends. So, you're looking at companies that are going to compound their earnings over time. Those are basically the companies that, I think, at The Fool we focus on, or the companies that retain earnings and that use it to grow in the future. Now, if you don't have any growth prospects, of course, the best thing to do for a company is to pay out a dividend. And there's fine companies that are in that position, it's not really the kind of companies that I think we focus on a lot. Although, they can be good companies. Moser: Yeah, I’d also too, I would not look at this point in time, because I think dividend stocks should have a place in anyone's portfolio at any time in their life. But really the point of a dividend is to be able to hold it for a long period of time, right? You’re holding dividend stock for a quarter, big deal, right, but if you’re holding dividend stock for 20 years, that's when you really see material impact there. And so, don't look at this point in time with this market sell-off, don't think about trading one for the other. If you're a little heavy in growth stocks, well, instead of putting more money into the growth stocks, maybe focus on building out that dividend side of your portfolio. Because, whether you're young and looking to grow your wealth or whether you're older and looking to protect your wealth, we always preach the values, the merits of diversification. And certainly, having some growth and some dividends I think is the best way, but it's not really about trading one for the other, it's about adding and building as opposed to just taking away and subtracting. Hill: Paul asked, “Could coronavirus lead to a permanent shift of business away from China to other Southeast Asian countries? Are there any potential opportunities there?” It's a great question and I think a natural one. Although, we've talked a couple of times about the amount of uncertainty out there. I think there are probably a lot of businesses that are uncertain about their own supply chains and are just thinking maybe in terms of the next six months as opposed to what do we want our long-term relationships to be? Moser: Yeah, I mean, we saw, even before the coronavirus news, it was the China trade story before that. That was the crisis du jour. And a year ago, companies really started focusing on diversifying their supply chains away from China. We saw Home Depot, we saw Lowe's. I was going through these calls here for Lumentum and Nvidia, they're all talking about how they've been working to diversify their supply chain away from China and they've been at it for a year. So, a little bit serendipitous, right. I mean, I think they're glad they got started early. It's certainly an opportunity for the companies that are not pursuing that, that aren't working on that now, they're going to continue to feel a pinch. Ra: Yeah, as Jason said, this is something that's been going on for a while where companies are trying to diversify away from China, but at the same time, you know, if you go to other countries, a lot of these countries -- South Korea was one of those countries that people wanted to diversify toward, and now it's been hit by the coronavirus. The other thing that we have to consider is that, a lot of these countries that are close to China, their biggest trading partner is China. So, there's a demand problem there, where they're not getting the same kind of demand that they got from China before. So, their economies are being affected. So, when these countries, their economy is affected than that affects our economy as well. So, I don't think that there's really a simple way to, sort of, unravel this, where you're going to be completely immune from something that happens in China. Wherever you go, you are going to be affected. Moser: And that really kind of gets back to where we all started this, just the entire world is far more connected today than it was even ten years ago. I mean, it is truly a global economy and what happens to one country, happens to us all. We have to keep that in mind and we have to have that mindset going forward in perpetuity, because that is going to be a very key part to our investing thinking. Hill: Alright. Ben Ra, Jason Moser, guys, thanks for being here. Moser: Thank you. Ra: Thank you. Hill: Thanks everyone for watching, thanks for the “thumbs up,” helping other people find videos like this. And, again, go to fool.com/start for the free investing starter kit with five stock ideas from our investing team. I'm Chris Hill, thanks for watching. We'll see you next time.
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