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  • -Thanks for making the time for us.

  • So, you are -- You're in this thing.

  • You're polling higher than some governors,

  • some congressmen, senators.

  • And a lot of people, I think it's safe to say,

  • did not know who you were a very short time ago.

  • -Yes, that's fair to say.

  • -And you're running on this idea of a universal basic income,

  • which is giving every American $1,000 a month.

  • And are you worried that, because you're polling higher

  • that as other candidates get desperate,

  • they'll start offering $1,100 a month?

  • -Well, that would be a version of victory, Seth.

  • I've said for a while that I'm either going to win

  • or the other candidates are going to sound a lot like me.

  • -Well, that's a very good way of looking at it.

  • I do want to talk --

  • Because I'm fascinated by this idea of a Freedom Dividend.

  • Before we do that, it does seem like you're having

  • fun out there, and I think that's really important.

  • I believe this is all just in the last week or two.

  • -Let's see it.

  • -Here's a montage we've made of you enjoying yourself

  • on the campaign trail.

  • ♪♪

  • -We need some more.

  • [ Cheers and applause ] ♪♪

  • -You're having a good time out there.

  • -Yes. [ Cheers and applause ]

  • Yeah.

  • -So, I think one of the reasons, again,

  • people are happy to see you, they're happy to hear you,

  • is you have this idea of, "I'm going to give you

  • $1,000 a month if I win this thing."

  • Now, obviously, Democrats who are onstage with you --

  • a lot of them have big ideas for healthcare, education.

  • They think that your plan is maybe going a little too far.

  • So explain, really quickly, this universal-basic-income idea.

  • Like, why you think it is the core

  • of what is behind your plan.

  • -First, it's not my idea at all.

  • It's been with United States since our founding.

  • Thomas Paine was for it. Martin Luther King was for it.

  • And one state has had a dividend for almost 40 years,

  • where everyone in Alaska gets between

  • $1,000 and $2,000 a year.

  • -Whoo! -Whoo!

  • -Some Alaskans.

  • And, so, what they're doing for Alaska with oil money

  • we can do for everyone in the country

  • with technology money,

  • because right now, we're in the midst of the greatest economic

  • transformation in the history of our country,

  • and it's what got Donald Trump elected.

  • The fact we blasted away 4 million manufacturing jobs

  • in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Iowa,

  • all the swing states that he needed to win.

  • So we need to take the bounty of the 21st century economy

  • and start returning it to people.

  • And though everyone associates me with 1,000 bucks a month,

  • it's really about what the money would do for us.

  • It's going to make us stronger, healthier, mentally healthier.

  • It's going to improve our relationships

  • and our way of life.

  • -You talk about how things -- -There isn't applause?

  • [ Cheers and applause ]

  • -They were all -- They were being quiet because

  • they were jealous of those two Alaskans

  • with the $1,000 in their pocket.

  • -Yeah.

  • -They're like, "They already got it."

  • You talk about how GDP and the stock market

  • are bad indicators of exactly where this country is at,

  • as far as its economic health.

  • And it may seem trite, but you think that

  • we need to judge economic health on happiness.

  • Is that an accurate distillation of the way you think?

  • -It's not quite happiness, but that's essentially right.

  • Where GDP's at record highs right now,

  • also at record highs -- stress, financial insecurity,

  • even suicides and drug overdoses.

  • It's gotten so bad that even though our record high GDP,

  • our life expectancy has declined for three years in a row.

  • The first time in 100 years.

  • So you have to ask yourself, are the measurements wrong

  • or are we actually prioritizing this production number

  • over the life-span of our people?

  • And, to me, it's obvious the numbers are wrong,

  • and you need to update them to include things like

  • our health and well-being, our mental health,

  • and freedom from substance abuse,

  • but also things like clean air and clean water,

  • how our kids are doing --

  • the real measurements for American success.

  • -You -- [ Cheers and applause ]

  • You talk about the numbers adding up and I think, you know,

  • it makes sense that a lot of people would ask how

  • you'd pay for $1,000 a month to all Americans.

  • You, yourself, I believe, put the price tag

  • at around $3 trillion.

  • Is that -- -It's a bit less than that.

  • But if you look around, who are the big winners

  • from the 21st century economy?

  • It's a company like Amazon

  • that's up to $1 trillion in value.

  • And they have literally paid zero in taxes,

  • less than everyone here in this studio.

  • So, of course, you're going to struggle to pay for things

  • if you have trillion-dollar companies paying zero.

  • If we give ourselves our tiny fair share of every Amazon sale,

  • every Google search, every Facebook ad,

  • every robot-truck mile, we can easily afford

  • $1,000 a month for every American.

  • -You -- [ Cheers and applause ]

  • -Yeah.

  • -You know, one thing you talk about,

  • which is interesting to me, is when you

  • say "universal basic income," you mean it,

  • that everybody would get this $1,000.

  • There's no amount of money you could make in any given year

  • that would price you out.

  • -You'd get it, too.

  • -Hey, look, trust me, I would not have had you on the show

  • if I was on the outside looking in on the Yang plan.

  • But explain -- It's very interesting,

  • the philosophy behind the idea of why it's good

  • that everybody would get it.

  • 'Cause some people would say,

  • "Why do the wealthy get this $1,000 a month, as well?"

  • Can you just explain that?

  • -Well, if you look at the Alaskan experience,

  • everyone's getting the oil dividend,

  • from the poorest Alaskan to the richest.

  • And because of that, it's universally popular.

  • There's no stigma attached to it.

  • It's not like I'm paying for it, you're getting it.

  • You don't need to monitor people's circumstances.

  • There are no incentives to say,

  • "I'm doing worse than I really am."

  • And so because of that, in a deep-red Conservative state

  • with a Republican governor,

  • the petroleum dividend is wildly popular.

  • And so if we make this a true right of citizenship,

  • it will be popular nationwide.

  • -You -- [ Cheers and applause ]

  • You had an idea that I'm -- I'm very behind the idea of how

  • bad a viewing experience the State of the Union is.

  • This is something you agree with, yes?

  • -I completely agree.

  • It's gotten bizarrely unwatchable.

  • -Yeah. It's very performative.

  • It doesn't feel like you get a lot of information out of it.

  • What is your idea for how to fix the State of the Union?

  • -So, my plan is to take the American scorecard,

  • with the real numbers of how we're doing,

  • and then present them to you, the American people,

  • in a PowerPoint deck.

  • Every year at the State of the Union,

  • I'll be the first president to use PowerPoint.

  • Hopefully that's a good thing. [ Cheers and applause ]

  • -I can't imagine PowerPoints

  • polling quite as well as $1,000 a month,

  • but I like the -- I like your moxie.

  • Hey, thanks so much for being here.

  • It's really interesting having someone out there

  • who is talking about things nobody else is.

  • -Thank you, man. I appreciate it.

  • -Andrew Yang, everybody.

-Thanks for making the time for us.

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楊元慶談全民基本收入和衡量經濟健康狀況 (Andrew Yang on Universal Basic Income and Measuring Our Economic Health)

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    王惟惟 發佈於 2021 年 01 月 14 日
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