"Ah ha ha ha ha."

Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los

Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth

about the story being presented.

In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.

Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality.

The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and

which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.

At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently

killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from

police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers.

As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't

get the joke.

According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true

nature of the story that just unfolded.

He explained,

"That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely.

There are different laughs in the movie.

There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's

trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh.

But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh

in the movie."

Why is that, exactly?

Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience.

Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed

1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers]

it to be multiple choice."

The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have

speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is.

Phillips said,

"There are lots of ways you could look at this movie.

You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories.

None of it happened.'

I don't want to say what it is.

But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story.

The whole movie is the joke.

It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted.

He might not even be the Joker.'"

Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply

be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out.

He said,

"Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker.

You don't really know.

His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.'

There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."

Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward

narrative, but as a series of suggestions.

During his own conversation with the Times, he said,

"This movie requires a certain amount of participation from the audience.

It's up to you how you want to interpret it and experience it.

It's less you being kind of presented with the facts than you being presented with these

possibilities."

Phillips may have given the whole game away, however, when he revealed that a face-off

with Batman would never be part of his potential sequel to Joker, saying,

"We would never do that.

No, no.

We'd just want to see where [Arthur] goes from there."

"Do you see those two worlds merging together anytime soon?

… No.

Definitely not."

Taken together with Phillips' previous remarks, we're left with the compelling possibility

that Arthur isn't really the Joker at least, not the Joker who goes toe-to-toe with Batman.

His entire rampage might have taken place entirely in his head; perhaps he told the

story to a fellow Arkham inmate, who told it to someone else, who passed it along until

it was eventually heard by the man who would become the true Clown Prince of Crime.

For now we can't say for sure, but don't worry Phillips told Entertainment Tonight that eventually,

he'll reveal the truth:

"One day I will say what we think and what we meant when we were writing it."

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