in 2016, when he ran a progressive campaign for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.

But much of that primary race was a one-on-one contest.

He is now vying for the Democratic nomination again, but, this time, he's up against at

least 20 other candidates.

And Senator Sanders joins us now.

Senator Sanders, welcome back to the \"NewsHour.\"

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), Presidential Candidate: Good to be with you, Judy.

JUDY WOODRUFF: So let's start with our lead story tonight.

And that is the stock market dropping over 470 points, fears, analysts say, of a trade

war with China, the president -- President Trump's policies toward China.

It appears to many people that your approach to trade with China is very similar to the

president.

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: No, it is not.

What I recognize is that, for many years, our trade policies have been a disaster.

If you look at NAFTA and you look at PNTR with China, in fact, it's cost us about four

million decent-paying American jobs and helped lead the race to the bottom, where wages were

depressed in America.

So, I think we do need new trade policies that are fair to the working people of this

country, not just to the CEOs.

But, as usual, I think Trump gets it wrong in terms of implementation.

JUDY WOODRUFF: But you would be tough on China, as he is.

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: I would be supportive of American workers.

I think it is wrong that, when large corporations are making huge profits, that they simply

shut down in this country, throw American workers out on the street, then look for cheap

labor abroad.

So, I believe that we have got to deal with that issue, but not the way Trump is dealing

with it.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, let me turn to something that you spend a lot of time talking about

in this campaign, and that is Medicare, health care, and, namely, a proposal for Medicare

for all, guaranteed health care for every person, man, woman and child, in the country.

I think everybody agrees the current system needs fixing.

Everybody -- more people need to be covered.

But, right now, this is an economy that is spending, what, $3.5 trillion a year on health

care.

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Right.

JUDY WOODRUFF: It is a sixth of the American economy.

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Right.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And even you acknowledge that doing something like Medicare for all would

be a massive disruption, do away with private...

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JUDY WOODRUFF: OK.

All right.

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: That wasn't my word, no.

JUDY WOODRUFF: All right.

Other people are saying it would be a massive disruption.

Do away with private insurance.

Why not move incrementally, rather than moving with what you propose?

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Because you have a dysfunctional system that is really rotten to the core.

And let me tell you something, Judy.

The people who are opposing Medicare for all in the insurance industry, in the pharmaceutical

industry, these are people who are making huge compensation benefits.

And they are seeing their corporations make huge profits.

Six -- the 10 largest drug companies made $69 billion in profits last year.

Yes, they don't like the idea that I intend to lower drug prices by 50 percent.

But here is the bottom line.

Right now, you have got 34 million people, no health insurance, even more underinsured.

We pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs.

We end up spending twice as much per person on health care as do the people of any other

country.

I live 50 miles away from the Canadian border.

How can anyone defend a dysfunctional system like that?

JUDY WOODRUFF: But when you have a -- as we said, such a huge part of the U.S. economy

-- the Congressional Budget Office did a nonpartisan analysis of your plan, essentially, universal

coverage.

They came away.

And they concluded many people employed in the health care system now would lose their

jobs.

They concluded that employer-based health care service that most non-elderly Americans

now use would be eliminated.

And they say fewer people would likely go into the medical profession because pay would

be less.

(LAUGHTER)

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: That's exactly wrong.

JUDY WOODRUFF: So...

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Right now, because of all of the stress that the insurance companies

put on doctors, you're finding many doctors demoralized.

Doctors are trained and nurses are trained to work with their patients and try to do

well by their patients.

Right now, before they can do any procedure, they have got to call up three insurance company

folks.

Here is the bottom line, all right?

The bottom line is, we are the only major country on Earth not to guarantee health care

to all people.

We spend twice as much, and our health care outcomes are poor.

Medicare right now, Judy, is the most popular health insurance program in the country.

All that I want to do over a four-year period is expand Medicare to all of our people.

We will save the average American significant sums of money, give him or her freedom of

choice regarding doctors and hospitals.

JUDY WOODRUFF: But you say it's freedom of choice, but you're doing away with private

insurance.

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Yes.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And we remember the reaction.

President -- remember, President Obama said, you can keep your health care plan.

You can keep your doctor.

It didn't work out that way.

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Yes, because those were junk plans that he ended up doing away with.

Right now, do you think the average American has freedom of choice with regard to a doctor?

If a doctor is not in your network, you can't go to that doctor.

All that I want to say to the American people tonight is, we are taking on the insurance

companies and the drug companies, who make huge profits off of dysfunctional system that

is not working for the average American.

They are going to spend, Judy, in my view, hundreds of millions of dollars trying to

preserve their profits and their outrageous compensation packages.

The guy who's head of Aetna created a merger with CVS.

He got $500 million in bonus.

I don't think that's where we should be spending health care dollars.

JUDY WOODRUFF: But your plan would call for some form of higher taxes, no question?

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Of course.

Look, if I'm going to do away with all of your premiums and your co-payments and your

deductibles and we're expanding benefits, it has to be paid for.

But when you eliminate premiums and deductibles and co-payments and out-of-pocket expenses,

the average American will be better off.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Let's talk about the cost of college.

One of your signature proposals, tuition-free college, you would impose a financial...

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Public colleges and universities, not every...

JUDY WOODRUFF: Public.

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Not Harvard.

Public colleges and universities.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Right.

You would impose a financial transactions tax, as it's called, to pay for it.

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: On Wall Street.

JUDY WOODRUFF: But how much -- what would this mean for the, what, 45 million Americans

who have college debt right now?

How would they benefit?

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Oh, they would benefit very substantially.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Because they have left college, and they're in debt.

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: No, no, no.

This $900 billion that we're talking about -- look, here's the story.

Right now, Wall Street profits are very, very high.

They're charging you 17 percent interest rates on your credit card, real usury.

We bailed them out after their illegal activity nearly destroyed the economy.

So, what I believe is, at a time when hundreds -- hundreds of thousands of bright young kids

can't afford to go to college, and millions of people are struggling with outrageous levels

of student debt, this is an issue we have to deal with.

So I am proudly -- and I'm glad that more and more people are following my lead.

I believe that, in the 21st century, when you talk about public education, public colleges

and universities should be tuition-free, and we substantially lower student debt.

People should not be punished for getting a higher education in a competitive global

economy.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And just quickly, the second part of this is, right now, states would still

have to pick up a...

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JUDY WOODRUFF: ... bit of the cost.

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: They would have to, yes.

JUDY WOODRUFF: But these -- many of these are states that have been cutting spending

for higher education.

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Yes, right.

JUDY WOODRUFF: How do you get them to flip and spend more?

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Well, that's another issue.

Instead of giving tax breaks to billionaires -- you got Amazon and dozens of other corporations

not paying a nickel in federal income tax last year.

So, my view is that large profitable corporations should start paying their fair share of taxes.

We will work with the states.

But the bottom line is, in a competitive global economy, every kid in this country, regardless

of his or her income, deserves a higher education, if that is their goal.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Very quickly, a question on foreign policy.

You have been saying recently you wish you had spoken more about foreign policy four...

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Yes.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Two years ago, when you ran for president.

What would you do right now to punish Russia for what they did in 2016?

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: First of all, unlike Trump, you have to acknowledge the very seriousness

of what they did.

To try to undermine democracy in America and other countries is simply not acceptable.

And they have got to pay a price.

So we have a president who doesn't even acknowledge that.

But I think we should be looking at very tough sanctions.

This is an act of aggression against American democracy.

It cannot be accepted.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Beyond what this administration...

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Yes, absolutely.

JUDY WOODRUFF: So, and what would that do?

I mean, are the Russians going to stop -- are you saying that's going to stop them from...

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Well, I can't give you a blueprint.

JUDY WOODRUFF: ... hacking?

I mean...

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: But we have a president who doesn't even acknowledge -- virtually doesn't

even acknowledge the reality of what they did.

Here is a -- Putin and his friends are trying to undermine American democracy and democracy

in Europe.

They have got to know that's not acceptable.

And the world has got to tell them they're going to pay a very heavy price for it.

JUDY WOODRUFF: A question about polls.

Joe Biden, you and he were running roughly one-two in the polls.

And then he got into the race officially.

He has surged into the lead.

You have slipped.

What's going on?

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: Well...

JUDY WOODRUFF: Is he appealing to the moderates among Democrats?

What's going on?

SEN.

BERNIE SANDERS: I think you're going to see -- here's my prediction.

You're going to see polls that are very good for Joe and for Bernie and polls that are

not so good.

All I can tell you is that we are working really, really hard.

I'm very proud that we have over a million people who have volunteered to work on our

campaign.

I think, in our campaign, you're going to see an unprecedented grassroots effort, not

only to help me win the primary and beat Trump, but really to take on the powerful special

interests, who control so much of the economic and political life of our country.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Are you at all concerned he appeals more to the moderates in the Democratic

Party?

SEN.