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  • JUDY WOODRUFF: Staying with the campaign, Lisa Desjardins has the latest installment

  • in our series of one-on-one interviews with presidential contenders.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: Andrew Yang may not yet have the name recognition of his opponents on the

  • campaign trail, but the lawyer-turned-entrepreneur has steadily gained traction since announcing

  • his bid for president more than a year ago.

  • The son of Taiwanese immigrants cleared the threshold to qualify for the first Democratic

  • debate later this summer.

  • And he joins me now.

  • Let's start with something that was in the news this weekend, the clear feud and very

  • significant words between Representative Ilhan Omar and President Trump.

  • What is your reaction to what the two of them are saying?

  • ANDREW YANG (D), Presidential Candidate: Well, you know, I think that her remarks were taken

  • very much out of context, and it was really weeks after the fact.

  • One of the problems we're having right now is this manufactured outrage that's happening

  • on both sides.

  • Certainly, I think that the president's tweet that seemed to suggest that her comments were

  • somehow dishonoring the memory of 9/11 struck me as needlessly provocative and inciting

  • hostility toward Muslim Americans.

  • And so I tweeting saying, look, we're all Americans and we need to come together.

  • And I was personally in New York on 9/11, so I remember the day very well.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: You have an idea for universal basic income.

  • And I'm going to lay it out really quickly in a graphic, $1,000 per month to every adult

  • in this country, and then you would make it so that people would have to make a choice

  • if they were on some other programs, such as food stamps or SNAP or Social Security.

  • They would have to choose which is better for them, between your money and the Social

  • Security benefits.

  • You would pay for it in large percent with a 10 percent value-added tax.

  • So essentially, if I get this right, you're saying you want to add a tax to most of the

  • things that we buy as it's being produced, and then you want to give us money in our

  • paycheck.

  • What does that do?

  • ANDREW YANG: Well, if everyone watching this reflects upon what a $1,000 a month per individual

  • would do for your household, that would be game-changer for tens of millions of Americans.

  • It would improve health.

  • Children's graduation rates would go up.

  • Our mental health would improve.

  • It would even improve our relationships.

  • It would create millions of jobs around the country.

  • And the reason why we need to have a value-added tax in place is that, right now, the biggest

  • winners from artificial intelligence and new technologies will be Amazon and the biggest

  • tech companies, who right now in some cases are paying literally zero in taxes, which

  • is the case with Amazon.

  • So we need to wake up to the challenges of the 21st century economy, get more buying

  • power in the hands of Americans, but also make sure that our biggest companies aren't

  • benefiting without paying their fair share.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: But I think the economics of this confuse me a little bit.

  • And I want to bring out a quote, something you said at a town hall last night with CNN.

  • You told viewers there that the goal should not be to save jobs.

  • The goal should be to make lives better.

  • But yet you're running on the premise that we're going to lose potentially millions of

  • jobs.

  • And I'm not clear on how increasing taxes, which could actually take away some jobs,

  • giving away money that could increase jobs, how does that -- what's your vision for the

  • economy as a whole?

  • How do you lift up the economy and create more jobs in general?

  • Or is that not your goal at all?

  • ANDREW YANG: Well, the goal is to build a trickle-up economy, from people, families

  • and communities up.

  • And putting $1,000 a month in the hands of every American adult would actually create

  • more than two million jobs in our economy because of increased demand for things like

  • tutoring services, car repairs, the occasional night out, trips to the hardware store.

  • All of those businesses would end up hiring people in our communities.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: It sounds like your plan does not make up for the amount of jobs you

  • think we will be losing.

  • ANDREW YANG: Well, one of the examples I use is that my wife right now is at home with

  • our two young children, one of whom is autistic.

  • And right now her work is not considered a job by the marketplace or by GDP or by our

  • economic measurements.

  • But we all know that she's doing some of the most important and difficult and challenging

  • work.

  • So what we need to do is, we need to broaden our definition of what work is.

  • And more and more Americans hopefully will be in position to do the work that they want

  • to do if we put this economic buying power into their hands.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: You also want to broaden the definition of American health care -- or

  • change it anyway.

  • You say that you want to get to universal single-payer government-run health care, ultimately,

  • and you want to phase that in.

  • Sort of a brief question here.

  • How long is that phase-in period?

  • Would we see universal health care in your first term as president?

  • ANDREW YANG: You know, it will probably happen in my second term as president, because my

  • plan is to lower the eligibility age for Medicare.

  • I am a Medicare-for-all public option proponent.

  • I would not outlaw or eliminate private health insurance.

  • But if we do a good enough job, with a robust public option, there really should not be

  • as much of a need for private insurance in the market.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: I have to say I was excited about this interview because you have more

  • policy proposals, I think, than anyone else running right now, if you just take a look

  • at your Web site, dozens of very specific ideas that you have.

  • For example, you would make today, Tax Day, a national holiday.

  • You think the NCAA should pay college athletes.

  • You would put a term limit on Supreme Court justices, and you would lower the voting age

  • to 16.

  • Also, one of your policies is, you would decriminalize possession of small amounts of opioids, including

  • heroin.

  • Why, especially when we know that opioids, even in small amounts, it seems, can be very

  • addictive?

  • ANDREW YANG: Well, that's exactly why we need to decriminalize the use, because, when I

  • was in Iowa, an 18-year-old high school student said to me that his classmates are literally

  • addicted to fentanyl and heroin.

  • And that struck me as incredible and tragic.

  • And so I started looking internationally for solutions.

  • And other countries have decriminalized opiate possession, not sale, not if you're like a

  • drug dealer.

  • But if you get caught with a small supply of opiates, we should be referring you straight

  • to treatment, and not a jail cell.

  • And in other countries, that has reduced both the usage rate and the overdose rate over

  • time.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: I want to turn to foreign policy.

  • We're in a time of very significant global tension.

  • And there is U.S. presence on the ground in dozens of countries right now.

  • We have seen just in the last week protests and overthrow and Africa.

  • ISIS is weak, but still surviving in Syria.

  • Afghanistan is not yet fully stable.

  • I'm wondering which of those situations you think would call for U.S. involvement, if

  • any, and what kind of involvement.

  • What is your foreign policy vision?

  • ANDREW YANG: Well, I would want to rebuild the partnerships and alliances that we have

  • had over the last number of years that in many cases have become very frayed because

  • some of our longstanding allies now regard the United States as an unreliable partner.

  • And, to me, our foreign policy should reflect how we're doing at home.

  • In my opinion, the reason why Donald Trump is our president is that we have been falling

  • apart at home.

  • So job number one is to rebuild the American community, the American people.

  • And our foreign policy should become much more restrained and judicious.

  • I would want to rebuild our partnerships and alliances, and hopefully rely more on the

  • U.N. and diplomacy and multilateral approaches to problems.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: Would you pull out U.S. forces from, say, Afghanistan and Syria altogether?

  • ANDREW YANG: Over time, that should be the goal.

  • And, certainly, we shouldn't have done it in the way that President Trump did when he

  • did it abruptly and didn't notify allies.

  • And then some friends of mine resigned, you know, in protest.

  • I mean, if you're going to do something, you have to do it responsibly.

  • But we have been in some of these contexts for many years.

  • And, at this point, it's time to own the fact that we should bring those troops home.

  • LISA DESJARDINS: Andrew Yang, Democratic candidate for president, thank you for joining us.

  • ANDREW YANG: Well, thank you.

  • It's been a pleasure.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Staying with the campaign, Lisa Desjardins has the latest installment

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