字幕列表 影片播放 列印英文字幕 - Hi, guys, I'm Amanda Martin from Lindsey's Suite Deals Furniture. I came to VaynerMedia because I wanted to see how they could help my business. We did a few initial rounds of questions, and we felt that we were a good fit for each other. And what you guys are gonna watch is our first meeting about our brand, and just discussing what we were doing and getting into a deep dive of how we operate day-to-day business, and what we do to try to promote our business, and our marketing, and just everyday operations. And it was so exciting to be in that meeting and go through with all the Vayner mentors and really dig deep into our business. I can't wait for you guys to watch this, and hopefully somebody will learn something from it. I had a really good time doing this meeting, and I learned a lot, and we are implementing some of our tactics, and I cannot even begin to tell you how much it has helped, and the results that we've been getting, and I can't wait for the future and to implement some more of our ideas and tactics. Hope you guys enjoy it. Bye! (intense music) - You've got your perspective. I just wanna be happy, don't you wanna be happy? It's such a pleasure, how are you? - Nice to meet you. - Hi! - Hi, good to see you. - Me too. - So glad to see you. For two and a half years, my family business was known as Shopper's Discount Liquors. There was a sign printed on an eight by 10 on the front sliding door that said "Wine Library," and that's how I, two and a half years, I traded as winelibrary.com and then made the shift to Wine Library from Shopper's Discount Liquors. So, one of the things you may want to debate, here, is if you're trading differently on dot-com, building up that brand equity, and then, if you decide that brand is something that you can put on the front of the building, it might be a worthwhile debate. - [Male] Yep. - So have, like, a different website name? - Yes. - Okay. - It's the easiest way for you to, like, solve this potential issue, I'm coming in cold, I'm listening, but it's being done a lot. Like, there's a lot of opportunity to play both fronts, and then you'll have the options to be able to absorb it, and with 85 fucking thousand square feet even if 20,000 or 30,000, how much is retail? No, no, some of it's warehouse. - [Male] I'd say we're probably right at 50,000 retail. - Right, it's unlimited space AKA picking one of the corners and doing something just like cool with like coffee and computers and calling it furniture, whatever you call it, let's just call it, Orsini's House, let's say that's the brand you went with, calling that corner like Orsini's Cafe, there's a couple tables, little fresh coffee and you've got laptops there and it's all to Orsini's, now you've injected that in your, it's an organ within your body that eventually could become the body. Something to think about. - So like on the computers they'd be able to shop the website or? - Yes. It's just establishing the brand strategically. Like I would argue one of the things that may come up here today is literally looking at 5,000 square feet to do something completely left fucking field, like a coworking space. If you're selling B to B merch, are you selling to B to B's at all? - [Amanda] Not really. - It's kind of an interesting conversation as start up craze takes over the world. I know this is super left field but what if you did have three to five thousand square feet of coworking space and had entrepreneurs sitting there the same way Starbucks has them sitting there and then that started giving you a B to B flavor 'cause you have people there and all of a sudden even the area they're in has B to B thinking around, it's more like do you need a couch for your office? That could just change the dynamics of different usage for you. Look, I think both ways can work. To me, the bigger question is what are you trying to accomplish? So let me ask a different question, what's your lease situation? - [Amanda] We're buying the building. - That's great. So I assume that's a big capital expenditure? - [Amanda] Mmhmm. - So I think you've got to really be smart here because if you're making that cog move, I do not believe it's a good buy no matter how good of a deal you're getting unless you turn the location into something more than what you actually do. I couldn't say this enough. You're so young. I'm so worried about what your business looks like between a dot-com and a physical location a decade from today, not this year, that I think what this is all about, the reason we even built mentors is I knew that in these meetings, there's gonna be one to three things that we could bring that are disproportionately impactful for what it costs in return. The number one thing I would tell you is the two things that you need to care about, I literally don't care about anything else in your business right now other than two things. One, the hell are you gonna do inside your 85,000 square feet that's different that has nothing to do or is complementary to what you do for the sake of the business? Even marketing, back to B to B, real estate, what if you're the stage for all real estate events in your, you have to figure that out. And number two, you have to figure out dot-com. Every day that you wake up, find good deals, taking care of your staff, taking care of your customers, amazing, guess what? Number three, four and five. Number one and two is what other capital are we gonna pour into this 85,000 square feet that are gonna, like you know what comes with renovations, you may have to have a separate entrance, you may have to, who the hell knows right? I couldn't stress enough of that importance, in parallel, you're pulling from opposite directions. You're making a double investment into your physical and you're trying to almost eliminate people from coming in to build up your dot-com, that religion. It's what I did. I love giving advice I took. We built a seven million dollar building while we poured every asset into building winelibrary.com into one of the biggest leaders. And if my dad was sitting here right now, his biggest concern is like foot traffic is down. The end. - Yeah and I think sometimes my long term sight that's what I get worried about but I know that E-com is important as well. - There is no as well. - [Male] Everything's equally important. We have to build today, no, we've got to think about tomorrow and me being on the front end of all this, that's what I deal with every single day. Everybody walks through that door no matter how I price, what floor structure I have, they've got their phone in front of them. - I want this. - I can get it here for this price. - Are you willing to match it? And I apologize, what are you doing in that scenario? Are you matching pricing? - [Male] Oh yeah. - 100% of the time, if it's legit? - [Male] There's some things that we see-- - [Amanda] 98% of the time. - [Male] I had an instance the other day where we was gonna make seven bucks. - I think you're making a huge mistake then and you have a huge opportunity. Let me tell you a story. My dad, in the liquor business they have something called the ABC. ABC came in one day and they're like, "You can't do case discounts." My dad's reaction was to put everything at 15% off from bottle one. So it wasn't even a case discount anymore, in essence, everything was on sale. - The store was on sale. - The store was on sale. So some things were on sale sale like it was 15, it's 9.99 but if it wasn't, if it was just a regular item, it was 15, by default it rung up at the register 15% off. The problem was he never told anyone. We did no marketing. So overnight one day, we became the best priced store in the state yet nobody knew and people didn't even know 'cause we didn't do internal signage. I'm just telling you the truth. People would be like, alright, I'm gonna buy this for 15, you get to the register and it's 13.40, ahh, okay. - Price mistake. - I am telling you right now, I'm telling you right now, the number one thing I would do right now, temporary banner sign, not sign on the building, is have as big of a sign as the town will let you say that we match all internet prices, little asterisk, as you get closer to the building it says, two percent, like, I would just arbitrarily, and you've got to find out the like, but I think it's two percent of times there are some restrictions or private labels that we're unable to match. Nobody driving by your building and coming to your store thinks that. Here's my question, if the truth is, if five out of 10 people are actually doing what you just said, I would tell you that you should go there. If it's three out of 10 but it feels like every person, then you've got to debate because you'd be giving up a lot of margin. If it's seven out of 10, you might want to make it a permanent sign in your building. Now my question is, what is it really? What's your gut tell you? - [Male] I would say that actually approaches me or a sales person on the floor probably three out of 10. - But you know it's in their minds. - But when I'm walking around that store, they don't know I'm-- - Everyone's on the phone. Watching. - 20 feet away and I see a husband and wife over there with their telephone out, I don't think they're texting their grandkids. - Do you believe they're looking at the couch testing, touching and then ordering online? 'Cause I think that's what's happening. - [Male] From somebody else? - Yes 'cause that's what's happening at Best Buy and Target and many other places. - [Male] And I do realize even with, you can take not just internet wise, I know we're losing some sales there but even say the Ashley Home Store across town, we sell Ashley furniture as well. There's certain things that there are over there in that show room they can't find, maybe if they like their experience better over there and they think they're getting a better price, they're in Lindsey's sitting on that sofa, walk out the door and go back over there and buy it. - Who's the better price, you or them? - [Male] I beat them up and down the road every day. - [Amanda] When we go to our Ashley reps, they say that they brag about us all the time. - They bring it in display, I don't care if-- - [Male] I'll tell you what I came to find. I didn't realize that Ashley is two things, corporate owned Ashley where I got great prices and franchise Ashley where I can't get great prices. - [Male] And then-- - And then retailers. - [Male] And then you've got walmart.com-- - Have you guys built a private label? - [Male] We've worked toward it with some Ashley furniture about turning a section called Our Rooms. Ashley will actually provide these tags, we're the only ones that can have it I think within 300 miles, something like that. We've been working toward that goal of just snatching the Ashley tags altogether, putting the Our Rooms tag-- - I'm listening, keep going. - [Male] And more or less creating that-- - Brand. - [Male] Yeah that hey, this is us, this isn't Ashley. And I realize somebody could lift a cushion and they could figure it out but most people shopping furniture, in my eyes, they don't know the difference between coaster Ashley or Jim Bob's. - Yeah. - [Male] They sit on it, they like it, they feel it, they touch it. - It looks good, let's go. - It's all about the profit to me. If we're not making profit-- - 'Cause Mr. Lindsey grew up in the day of discount the way my dad did. It's what my dad did too. - He'd buy a coach for $400, he sell it for 125 bucks and it was all about this big number at the end of the day but if he didn't make any damn money-- - He was trying to make as much sales as possible. - [Amanda] Sales yeah. - Yep, listen I know it. I'm actually a believer in it. VaynerMedia doesn't make any money either. I believe in it, you just have to get the biggest value for it and then to your point, it also depends on what you're trying, 10% profit at the end of the year feels different than four and 40. - Gary, what made you pivot? 'Cause there may be some similarities here. They came in with an expansion plan and didn't you originally think you were gonna have 10 Wine Libraries? - Yes. - And then moved in a different direction, where one giant one-- - Because the dot-com had way more potential in it than I anticipated at the time. - But you still expanded the one that you had? - Dramatically. - They still have 32,000 square feet, they're now at 80,000. - Yeah, but moments in time. If I could eliminate the second floor of my dad's store right now, I would. - And I think categories as well. - I just think that making the buying, why are you buying the building? Just 'cause you're young and fuck it, let me just buy an asset? - [Amanda] Yeah because down the road, it could be anything. - It's an asset. I think that's right. And why 'cause the landlord's selling? Landlord's selling? Did Mr. Lindsey never own it? - [Amanda] No. It was a different guy. He's out of Birmingham but it was actually an RV center and he doesn't live in Panama City, it sat there empty for sale for a really, really long time and we were in the same plaza and our lease was up and so we started debating and we're like, well it just at the time made sense to go in and purchase. - And you did that already? - [Amanda] I mean we're still paying obviously but-- - Of course but you did buy it, you got it? Oh great, awesome. - And so then the same owner actually has a piece of property next door, still wooded but my long term goal is buy that, tear all the woods down and make that the warehouse. - Interesting. - So then I can take the wall back down. - If you do not build a private brand, you will lose. If you don't make a massive commitment to building a brand, you will lose. I genuinely believe that. You're making such an investment in a decreasing asset to where the future's going. You have to at all costs, and whether you start light with using Ashley to do it for you and you graduate one day 'cause there's a third senior partner here and her or his job is to go to China 'cause she used to work at Ashley and now she's your creator of product, she comes back with a bubble wrap based fabric this, five people couches instead of one or foldable or I saw that one company you can make a couch in a box, expandable. So whatever it is, I'm gonna tell you right now, one man's point of view, what I think you paid for, you have to figure out what to do with some of your space that does not do what you do now, that has to be so left field thinking, coworking space, a cafe, number two, you have to figure out dot-com and I mean like. - [Male] Yesterday. - Yesterday. I apologize and yes of course, and then number three, you have to create a private label. Name it after some kids, grandkids, uncle, Lindsey himself, maybe when you rebrand the company maybe that's the private label itself, who the hell knows? It will be your only asset. You're so young. It's going to be your asset in 30 years. Your private label business will be more valuable than your real estate. Are you able to offer something above and beyond the actual product? So to me the next logical place to have a conversation is the service of room design. The thing that makes somebody actually buy from you and pay $35 more is that they value the $100 room design fee from Sarah that you built up on YouTube and Facebook and Sarah is your Sarah. So one of the things I'm thin, this is a very comfortable zone for me to strategize around 'cause I lived it, service layered on top of retail is a very big deal for you because if you go far out with the shipping, me in my 20s single guy and I want to put furniture in, I don't know where the fuck to put it, whatever. If I knew that I could spend an extra 100 bucks because the website showed a video and she's like, "I'm Karen, I'll literally come to your house "for an extra 100 bucks on top of your $1,000 order "and it's super worth it because I'll Feng shui this "and I'll shmay this," and whatever the hell it is. I think you need to start debating that. Everything that I'm hearing from your business is what I love because you've got the foundational aspect of it down but you guys are smart and realize that's a rat race. If you keep doing the business the way you're exactly doing it, they'll be good years, they'll be bad years, but it all is getting trickled away every single day. It's kind of why I had to do a wine club for my dad. He needed an injection this last summer because he needed more cash to do more marketing and I created a wine club that generated $2 million for him. Every single month, he's getting that and we're able to use those dollars to market and now we're starting, got it? You need those injections. To me, dot-com is not an injection. Dot-com's a fucking artery, back to a body, dot-com's like a heart, what else can't you live? - Lung. - But you can live with one right? - With one, yes. - Yeah, so I'm thinking about only one, what else can't you live without? - [Female] Your brain. - Fair. So to me, no that's perfect, the retail store is the heart and the brain, the heart and the brain. And the heart can be the store and the brain can be the dot-com, I like the analogy of that and that's not being creative, that's just table stakes. Adding a service on top of, with videos, with YouTube 'cause you never go away and a new interior designer, adding a private label, taking 5,000 square feet in your store and literally going rogue as fuck, like I don't know, put a fitness thing in, could you imagine if you put, you know how many influencers in fitness there are on Instagram now? Could you imagine if you just put a fitness area in there and literally it was in essence a free workout club? - [Male] Or Ikea who put that child setup area where kids play. - Or you start-- - [Amanda] 'Cause I've seen some who have IMAX theaters. I think in Connecticut there's one. - [Male] There's one in Connecticut that's got climbing walls in it. - A furniture store? - [Male] Yeah. - Makes fucking sense, makes sense. - Swedish meatballs at IKEA. Well known, people go there just to have the Swedish meatballs. - You've got to give them another reason to come. - I've been saying that the last six, eight months. We need to become a destination store that's something cool. - You're too big, 85,000 square feet. - Well and another-- - I apologize real quick because I don't want to lose the thought, and if you reverse engineer who your clients are, then you can really make it good meaning, that's why I like classes, we're starting to play with it a little bit at Wine Library, if you're doing business classes, think about who you want because if you do, so I did something for the last year at Wine Library as well where I'm running Facebook ads to give away $10 worth of free food, straight up. Just walk in, get some sausage, get some cheese, get some pickles and 9.09 and walk up to the register, scan a barcode and you're out. And it's driving my dad crazy because and you'll love this Dennis, he goes, "The fucking Russians are coming in here "and they're sending their aunt and their uncle." And I'm like, "Dad, the whites and the African Americans "and the Latinos, they're also doing it "but the Russians rub you the wrong way." He goes, "I know because they're speaking Russian, "he doesn't know that he can understand them "and they're like, "These,"" and they're saying things like, "These fucking idiots, "they don't realize we're getting $50 worth of free food." And I'm saying to my dad, I go, "Dad, you don't get it. "If you run the numbers, "if you look at the receipts, "we're making enough on the added sales "for the people that aren't breaking the system "and are buying $280 worth of stuff on top of it "and we're running it in hours "where we don't have people coming in "and it's great for all the people driving by our highway "seeing a full parking lot at 10 AM." Got it? Brand. I think about brand. You live in Springfield, you've now started shopping at King's too, supermarket started having wine, hurt our business, makes sense, right, convenience. They're four, five, six, seven dollars a bottle more. But it's an affluent area and I don't want to go to Wine Library for 10 minutes and pay seven dollars less on this $17 item, I'm rich. And so a person driving to King's to their food market at 9:35 in the morning and seeing a full Wine Library parking lot, that works. - [Male] Their wife. - Uh huh, they're like, just everybody, a human, oh, they're busy. - What's going on there? - [Amanda] Yeah, what's going on? - So food trucks is another thing that's really worked for me. I don't know what your parking, you own the building, it's a shopping center or free standing store? - [Amanda] Shopping center. - So you don't own the shopping center? - [Amanda] Well that part we own. - [Male] Seven and a half acres total. - You have a lot of parking? Can I make a huge, huge random idea? You should do food truck events in your parking lot on weekends. There's so many food truck businesses in Florida. Go on Twitter, find them, go on Instagram, find them, invite them, offer them free space. Be like, hey, come, and then market it, do you have an email newsletter for your customers? - [Amanda] No. - Okay, we have to do that ASAP. Highly, highly, do you have a card, a membership card? You have no data on your customers? - [Male] No. - This is great. This is so fun for me. How bad is your POS system, old school? - [Amanda] Old school. - You should have every single customer's information, every single customer. You have a high ticket item. What's the average sale? - 1,500. - Fuck me, this is great. - 3,000 purchases a year roughly. - [Amanda] Roughly. - Right. Can you sell something less expensive? Can we come up with a signature product, what happens when it snows? It doesn't snow in Florida. I'm sorry, that's not where I'm going. (crosstalk) - What happens when it snow? - Sweat at the grave. - Fans and air conditioning, do you go that route? You don't go hard weary that way, right? - Do you have universities around? - Community college. Oh actually Florida State has a branch there. - What do you mean has a, oh has a... - Target buses, students before they move into dorms every year. - God, there's so much you could be doing. It's cool. - There are no dorms. - There are no dorms? - It's a commuter FSU. - Rentals. - [Amanda] Rentals. - Exactly. - And then we have a lot of new developments going up. - Back to school drives when you send buses, bring hundreds of students, they shop, you drive them back. - Gary, what do you think about this? The new brand, it's an E-com or digital company that happens to have a retail location? It's completely different thinking. Not that you have a retail store that has a website. It's an E-com company that happens to have a retail location. - That's what Wine Library became. - I like it. Just the dynamic of what we do every day and what I live every day on the front lines, I just feel like we've got to get there. - So here's what I would say, a couple things you have to wrap your head around. You're gonna have to hire somebody to run your dot-com. You're gonna have to have too much expertise to compete. It's not 1997 anymore where everybody was kind of figuring it out. You're gonna need something. And the good news is there's a lot of young bucks out there who will love the autonomy and will flat out think, I'll take this job 'cause I'll be able to learn everything and I'll leave in three years and honestly, that's a good trade, good for you, good for them. I do believe in parts of the country you can get somebody that's very knowledgeable for 40 to 60,000 which we would laugh here, it would cost us 250 for those skills but I do think it's out there, I do, I really do. You've got to find the right kid or the right retiree or there's a million different things. - 'Cause that's my biggest thing, the website we have now, we only have seven to 10 of our companies on there 'cause that's all the catalogs that the website company has built but 10 is all they allow me on there. So there's so many more brands and products-- - What do you use? What do you use for that? 'Cause I couldn't figure out what platform. - [Amanda] The company? It's a renaissance group out of Jersey. - Are there a reason why you use that and not Shopify? - Because they're more catered to the furniture industry. - Really? - So they already had the catalogs built. So all I had to say was okay, add these companies and then here's my mark up and then it was done. I didn't have to send them a bunch of pictures, I didn't have to send them my lead sales. - When we rethink it, we can think Shopify gives you tremendous platform and then on top of that, building that catalog, I have built catalogs that have 25,000 items and it's an investment. Once you make that investment, you could be the platform. 'Cause right now, you're getting boxed in to no solutions, right? - No Solutions yet, exactly except from Gary. Let's quickly shift gears to brand, right? What kind of brand are you envisioning you can build? What do you have in your guts? What is it that you have that differentiates yourself from others? Whether it's in real life or online? Give us your thinking and as you're thinking, then we'll start writing. - [Amanda] I didn't really think about the brand. - What do you want to stand for? - [Amanda] I would personally like to stand for being there for the customer. I hate to say this but I don't always think the customer's right but I want them to have a good shopping experience. This is a lot of money, 200, 500 dollars could mean the world to somebody and I want them to know that we appreciate them spending their hard earned money at our store on us. We want to give them a great experience, we want them to not leave and be pissed off. Some people are just unreasonable so you can't help everybody but helping a majority of our customers get what they need and not have to go to Amazon to buy sheets and not having to go to Walmart to get pillows. I want to be the all in one. - So what I'm hearing is customer care, being there for customer was the first thing that you said. It seems like it's in your heart. So care. Then, value for money but this is a shopping experience was another one. Selection, so good. Excellent. Talk to us about your current customer experience because that's what we've been hearing a lot about. - [Amanda] It's pretty good right now. My assistant, she's chatty Kathy-- - Let's pause. Take us through a customer experience when she walks into your store. What happens? - [Amanda] They get greeted at the door. - You have a person standing there? - [Amanda] We try to. - [Male] Gotta always make sure somebody is right there-- - How many people do you have on the floor? - Try and have four to five. One just quit so... - Well and this is sort of a part that I've been waiting on because this is the shittiest thing we have. Panama City being too small, there's a lot of drug addicts. Educated people down there, they're very minimal. To find somebody who even wants to get off their ass and-- - Hustle. - And show up to work is hard to find much less somebody who's gonna come in there and be what we want them to be, that's gonna put forth the effort or have the visions or the wants and the growth that we want to have. I'm to a place where we have to hire warm bodies in a lot of ways. I wouldn't hire these people in a million years. - Five or 10 years ago. - But just to what you said, where somebody's greeting people-- - We had a very similar situation with Wine Library. We did something that came unnatural to us. We went to the sphere a little bit further. Paid a little bit more, we recruited a little bit different, we went to some colleges further out of our realm. We now have more employees, we used to have our employees travel within 15 minutes. We now have plenty of people commuting 40 minutes. We're paying a little bit more to subsidize that travel cost but it really worked for us. I would really look at, whether it's community colleges or other things, it's gonna cost you more money but the delta's better, how much would that kind of person, what would you pay them, minimum wage? What's that entry level? - We're more $10, $12 but and then what you've said, I mean Amanda and I talked about it and we've stepped that game up. - I would highly recommend going further out and going 14, you're just gonna win. - [Male] And there's no commission tied to their salary, just salary? - Well, they get mattress spiffs and warranty spiffs and different things like that. They can make up to $100 on one mattress. - Really? I want to go sell a mattress. I'm like, really, 100 bucks? - We should do it on a weekend. - Yeah, we should. - Where that disconnect comes because you've got the quality of a 10 or 12 dollar an hour person here even though you're dangling that $100 carrot, they can't attain that $100 carrot. - Makes sense, makes sense. I think it's about kissing more frogs. It worked for us. I was like, "Brandon, we just need to hire way more." Brandon like you, he's been in our business for 20 years. I don't know how long you've been in it, but you get caught in your old habits. It's very hard at retail not to think about what you used to get for 8.50 an hour. I know what you're going through. This is why this works for me. This is why I can give this advice. It worked. We went to 14, we went further out of our circle, ton of people suck shit still but we got over the course of a year, 71 people in, 70 people in and four were phenomenal and now they're a foundation and we're gonna get two, three, four years out of them. - Yeah. And I think coming out of the Mr. Lindsey era, that was a lot of what it was. Jim, that old school way, my God, I'm giving people $10 an hour. - Fuck you. - Dedicate your life to me. - [Amanda] Yeah basically. - They're not gonna do it. - My dad literally paid people 5.50 an hour back in the day when I started and thought they should treat it like it was their own store. - Including you. - Two for me. I was under the table. - He was feeding you two. - I was two bucks. I was supposed to pay him. Dude, honestly, I swear to God that's a great idea. I think everything, I would basically look at the area and try to figure out what's underserved. Is there one coffee shop too little? Is there one gym too little? Is there one soul cycle type of bicycle? Is there no coworking space? To me, all of it's interesting. I just know for a fact that when you have that kind of an asset of 85,000 square feet, there's more you can do, what we're not talking about yet is our ability to help you once you hire somebody to run Facebook ads. They're the best local ads you could ever imagine. All the things that Mr. Lindsey did with direct mail and coupons or whatever the fuck he did to build up the business 30, 40 years ago, that I did as well, it works, it just works. But when you have something to say, it's better. Targeting people that live within a 20 mile radius that are into cross fit that you now have a free gym in the middle of your store is a conversation. So I think that's right, Sabir. I think to me, what I try to get out of my time here is the most macro and we're gonna be together again but to me, between now and the time we get to see you again, I want the framework that I see you guys taking notes, I want to know what we're doing with dot-com. It's the brain. Can't be a person without a brain. I want to know how you're thinking about the physical location to do something else with it. I want to know how you're thinking about the private label and I want to know, those to me are the three and then the next tier gets in to making sure we get data from everybody, the strategy around hiring a little bit further out. That's your business. But the food truck thing would fucking work. - [Amanda] Right. We have one guy, prime rib, and we asked him and he's like, "I can't." I don't know why he can't put it in his schedule. He must have too many spots or something. - I respect that. - So I want to keep-- - Is your parking lot busy on the weekends? - Yeah. - Like for the center? - I think that's really gonna improve. It's an older shopping center. They're putting in some kind of electric go cart track and actually in our old building, we're still in the same shopping center that the old location that the lease was in. There's a Dollar General there. The only problem is we're on the far end of that shopping center. - Like what I was telling you, people are like, "Where are you? "We're in the parking lot." - You'll never believe this. My dad's liquor store, his first one was in Clark, New Jersey. The whole shopping center was over here. You'd come from the road here and all the stores are here and my dad's liquor store was here free standing. - That's kind of like how our building. - In the same shopping center. So I get it man, fuck, I get it and my store Wine Library was free standing and all the stores I competed against would have a Whole Foods in the shopping, I'd always be pissed, I'd be like, "Fuck, those suckers suck. "They get all this by accident business. "Every customer I have, I'm earning." - Well then they built the Hathaway Bridge that comes like say the store sets here, the bridge comes up and goes this way. So it's even worse 'cause we're down here in this corner. So if you're heading west-- - You don't even see it. - There's really no way to turn in there unless you turn at the light up here, that'll get you in the shopping center. Otherwise, you have to go down, turn around, come back up to it. - We have signage, people steal, yeah, they just steal. - Are you advertising? - [Amanda] Mmhmm. - Where and how? - [Amanda] Facebook and then in that goes to Instagram. Texting program, commercials on TV, commercials on the radio. - 19 billboards. - You do something with Yelp too? - [Amanda] Yeah I was. I stopped that. - Stopped what? - Yelp. - [Amanda] Yeah so I wanted to try different things. So I quit Yelp. - 19 billboards, that's great like old deals, you got some good locked in deals? - I like outdoor when it's priced right. - Well, and the little jingle and the whole nine yards that's been around these six years, little kids sing this stuff. - You have a jingle? - We hear people say that-- - What's the jingle, can I hear it? You guys heard it? - They'll say, "I don't know about Lindsey's furniture." The next guy beside him'll be like, "You're an idiot. "You must not watch TV, listen to the radio "or drive down the road. "So how can you not know about Lindsey's furniture?" - You might not be in the consideration set of buying, I don't know any furniture store. I don't even know a name of a furniture store. - Bob's Discount Furniture is the only one I know. - Bob's Discount. Like I have never bought furniture. - Raymour and Flanigan. - I know that one. - How about Ashley? - I've never heard of Ashley's. I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. - [Male] IKEA. - IKEA I know, I've heard of it. - Used to be Levitz. - Those I know, I remember those. - And I think a lot of these players are also good regional. Now you're getting newer furniture stores like Wayfair that does-- - Yeah, Wayfair's a problem 'cause they're the, of course. - I made a lot of money on the stock. It has gone up like this. - Great, you're winning, they're losing. Way to-- - [Male] Any sort of attribution modeling to be people who are looking at your media being able to figure out the effectiveness of that media? - Absolutely not. No way because they don't have the data on their part. They're not collecting that data. Even when you can, it gets hard. - With Facebook, can they come with a Groupon or something to the store and you give them $10 off of this sofa or $100 off a sofa? - What do you got running right now, 20% off? - Is it a coupon or is it a verbal? - [Male] Text 7979-- - But again, you're not collecting the data at the register so you're not sure. You're getting the transactional benefit but not the-- - Right. - But your thing was you're giving them that 10% discount. So if you look back at that handwritten invoice, you would see that it was 10% discounted. - [Amanda] Right, right. And in March, we did a scratch off for Saint Patrick's Day. - I love you. I love that shit. I'm telling you, that's the shit I do. I believe in that shit. - [Amanda] So there's just one weekend where the files have all those in 'em and pretty much everybody used it. I saw a couple in the trash but I think most people use them right there. - How did they get the scratch off? - [Amanda] When they walked in the door. - You gave a scratch off and they scratched off and it would say 10, 15, 20% off? - [Amanda] Yeah, 10% off, 20% off, free delivery and then we had a $1,500 shopping spree. - Somebody won it? - [Amanda] Yeah. - Did they lose their shit? - [Amanda] Yeah. - We kind of gave it to somebody we wanted to give it too. (laughing) There was actually four or five of 'em in there but we-- - We only gave out one. - It was not Teresa, right? - [Amanda] Not Teresa. - Once again, I think they own five condos down there. I just called Jill and said, "Jill--" - I would send Teresa to fucking, I would send her to Napa. - I can't send Teresa anywhere, she's my assistant. So we built a second office within the store just for a checkout window and he goes, "Are you putting her in there?" I said, "Hell no." I said, "When I need somebody to yell at, "I need her right there." She's like my Google Assistant. - I get it. - I'm like, "Teresa, remember this." - Your new name is Alexa. - Okay, couple of other questions. So growth might be limited by our geographic location. So we need to understand what's happening with demographics. - Is that 100% true? - No, no, I didn't say that this is, I didn't say that this is, I'm saying that this is an avenue that we have to explore to understand what is our geographic limitation, who's our competition and your ambition? How far do you want to go? 10, 15 years down the road. - That's exactly right, Dennis. - Who do you want to be? - [Male] The biggest baddest furniture store known. - A top 100. - Top 100 in the country? Okay good. Because that will calibrate our approach. - I think that that needs to be debated for a second 'cause I think it's the right answer from entrepreneurs but I think we actually should talk about it for a second 'cause this is where I think I can help. That's super arbitrary. 100's a good number, I get it. I actually think you need to ask yourself, here is why VaynerMedia and Wine Library really, really won, 'cause I didn't need any money. And I don't mean it's because I already had money. It's 'cause I don't need any money. How much profit is the business making? And obviously you're running your lifestyle through it, you're paying yourself to be able to, the profit that it makes at the end of the year, you're kind of rolling back in the business or are you taking that out for whatever's? - Back in the business. - Right. So your lifestyle's predicated on the salaries you guys have created right? - Right. - But you're also paying off, you've also purchased a really good asset. - Right. - Right, you're paying off that mortgage through that, that's dragging into your profit, right? - From her end, it's paid for. - 165 a year, that's what you get? - This is literally my fucking dad's business. - 165K a year? - Literally. - It's sort of like 140's the ballpark, it's not in the bank but it's in the warehouse. - By geography because of physical limits. - No ABC but like the world coming down Earth road on dot-com. That's one good thing about the liquor business is it's regulated. So there is no Wayfair, there's no liquor leader 'cause it's fucking fragmentation at scale protected by laws. I think one thing that I think you should really think about with each other since you're really partners in crime, I would highly recommend mapping out how much money you want to take home over the next 20 years. I'm not kidding. Number by number. By the way, I don't care if it goes down. I know nothing about you. I'm making less money than I have because I have a vision and everyone's allowed to do whatever they want. It would really, really, really help because the number one thing that you have to do to win, in my opinion, is to invest every dollar properly to maximize your growth. The more dollars you have, the more you can invest. It's the scrutiny of your expenses and what you're doing on the advertising front and then into what, to me it's very simple, create containers, that's back to dot-com, something in store, private label, those are the containers and then what do you spend money on to make those containers successful. Got it? And so what's a very unique thing and I'm saying this more for the team get them in the right place, VaynerMedia was built very uniquely. There haven't been many people that have come into the advertising space that really saw an opportunity to leverage their personal brand as a gateway branding mechanism to a large fortune 500 consumer set and then converted. So when we look at our PNL, my team is an expensive line item. It's not the kind of thing that other companies have but they have a new business team that has. But I knew what containers I had, what I was trying to accomplish and then I started spending against those containers. Building a dot-com, right now with that little of margin and me assuming back to the family business, I understand the size here, it's not like you guys are rolling in it and buying mansions and Porsches. Well, guess what? A new POS system, hiring a full time dot-com person, the capital expenses of doing something new inside the store that might cost renovations. I'm not so sold that you have the cash flow for all of that. And so then I'd say to myself, okay, what are they spending money on for advertising? I believe some of it is way less valuable than you think because you can't measure it right now. So you might feel 19 billboards are awesome and they might not be or they might be. Maybe it's actually 29 and no commercials. Maybe it's just commercials. How much are you spending on marketing? - 350. - A year? - Yeah. So it's roughly 34,000 I think it was, 35,000 a month. - And what's that broken down to? - It's 25% digital, 25% TV and out of home I think it was 16%, yeah. - What do you think's working the best and what do you think is working the worst out of your advertising if you just had to guess? - [Dennis] Radio, Pandora, 14, television, 24, digital, 24, billboards, 32. - Why are we doing Pandora? - [Amanda] I did it at the end of '16, beginning of '17. - Is it targeted local? - [Amanda] It was, yeah. - And was it working? - [Amanda] No, so I stopped. - Okay. - [Male] And I sort of-- - I love that you test shit, it's so smart, 100%, forever. - [Amanda] And I get a little scared because we do so much, that I'm like, shit, I don't want to drop this 'cause what if that was working and it takes three more months to get it back? - Here's what I would tell you. I'm convinced that your 34 can be 15, do exactly what it's doing, I just don't know how yet. And then all of a sudden, that 20 becomes 240 and that 240 pays for a POS, it pays for 49 year old young Sabir who can actually be there day in and day out. He's growing hair back, I'm pretty impressed. - I need to shave it off once it gets warmer. I look like Dr. Evil when I shave my head off. - I think that's where you have to look at a little bit. I think it's gonna cost you a little bit more for staff if you go down my route and go 14, 15 outside but I think you'll get that back. 15, 14 guys and gals do a care a little bit more about that 100 to your point which means you're selling an extra mattress. You're not giving them 100 for kicks and giggles, it matters for your business. - I think still going back to the ambition because even financing might be an option. If there vision is there, if the mechanics are there too. So it's not necessarily financing tomorrow, it might be three years down the road when we have the brand, when we have all of those private label running, then all of a sudden, you're ready. - Look, I think that's probably right. I think what we need to do here as a team is figure out if that's truly three years from now, let's say, arbitrarily. I don't have a whole lot of energy to get too overly worried about that right now 'cause it's further away. To me it's just, the 34K a month in marketing is awfully interesting because when you have a legendary business that's been in the same general location for how many years? - [Amanda] Six. - But you've been in the same shopping center for? - Six. We were like, it was in the middle of the shopping center and then up until '16, we were down at the end. - But you're still in that same shopping center. And how long, six you said? - Yeah, six years. - And before that, where was it? - We started six years ago. - [Male] That was when-- - The Legacy brand was for 25 years in a few locations. - I totally understand. To me, okay, got it, that is a little bit different. It would be interesting to see, the advertising, that's your biggest expense. Your mortgage, you've got your advertising, you've got your payroll, inventory. Actually, that's a good one, and I know I've got to run in a second but that one helped us quite a bit at Wine Library. Old school thinking is you said it the same way that I think about it and my dad thinks about it, inventory, paid for, it's an asset. - [Male] It evolves. - My next question, inventory on hand and why do you have it? - Yeah. How much inventory are you holding? - [Amanda] A lot. - I know. Let's talk about it. - And that goes back, that comes back from Mr. Lindsey. Amanda and I's big part in this has all really happened over the past year. - I believe it. - The changes and everything-- - 'Cause Mr. Lindsey opened that place six years ago, was still in the game pretty seriously. - Yeah. - Understood. And why is he out of the game? Just got older, is he sick, is he okay? - [Amanda] No, he's fine. - He's just fucking tired? He's like fuck it? He's like, I believe you can do it? - [Amanda] Yeah I think so. - Either that or she was gonna kill him, one or the other. - What do you think, finally I found somebody who can do something? And how long have you been in the business? - I've only been in the furniture business three years. - Oh, very interesting. - 21 in beer but furniture's new but I love it. - I get it. - But like we was in High Point last week buying furniture. All the new stuff, you see it, then you get it probably August, September. Jim would go to those markets and he didn't give a damn if he spent $800,000 on oak shit from 1970 that nobody even wants. He just would just go buy, buy, buy, buy. - [Amanda] 'Cause he could buy it for 50 bucks instead of 100. - He loved closeouts and I don't think he ever understood that it was a closeout for a reason. - Well, he believed in his salesmanship. I mean I bought closeouts, I love closeouts because I knew I could sell 'em when nobody else could. He didn't go out of business, he just knew that he would be able, somebody'd come in and want to buy something, he would be like, "Don't buy that, buy this for 55 bucks." - Right. And we're stuck with a ton of that. - Still? - Still. - Still. - Still? - [Amanda] Still. - No, that's great, let's talk about it, how much? No this is, you have to understand, how much, when you come back here, I want to see how much inventory you have that you deem fucked? - Retail or cost? - Cost and retail. - Okay. - How much you think, gut? I know you could be way off. - Honestly 500 to a million. - Old inventory? - Yes. - And it's probably worth-- - No, I'm thinking you're building-- - Almost 500 retail, probably 15. - Old in the past six years or old in the 25 years? - There's probably shit in there from 2015. If I had to go back and find a price 'cause it's discontinued or a closeout, I would have to go to 2015 invoices to get a price. - And Jim would run tent sale after tent sale after tent sale but he would put the same shit in there every single time. So it wasn't effective. - And so the tent sale brand got killed, right? - Well, we changed it last year. - To what? - [Amanda] Our annual sale, we actually put good shit out there that we were able to get at a discount. - Stuff we had bought that-- - [Amanda] And it sold and we heard a lot of comments, people would say, "This is the best one you've had." (crosstalk) - [Amanda] Can I talk about something really fast? - Yeah. - [Amanda] Okay so we're talking about serendipity before. So there's this company that I write checks to, a repair company and their address is I don't know, 1202 Gary Avenue, Suite 5. - Suite 5? That is good karma. - [Amanda] I thought about that like two months ago. - You may have to buy that. - Go find that company for me, James, MNA, VaynerX. I'm super pumped right now. You've given me a real light. I'm telling you right now that half a million to a million, and you think that's cost? You're guessing, it's fine. And would it be appropriate to think that you're gonna have to sell that for like 50 cents on the dollar less than the cost? - Some of it. - This is a real opportunity guys. This is where a lot of retail stores lose. They put their head in the sand 'cause they don't want to think about it 'cause they know it's a fucking mess. Meanwhile, it's the place where, you could give it away and change your business. You have to understand, you've given me ammo. - Yeah, there's a bunch of bullets sitting back there ready to be shot. - You can fuel the other three points. - You know how much better your radio campaign will work that says, "We're giving away $10,000 worth of furniture "in the first hour this Saturday."? You've got ammo. You've got two things that I need, this is how I built my dad's business. He had the same fucking problem, this is fucking deja vu. He had ammo and he had advertising or not advertising, it was either advertising that wasn't effective or he had no advertising. Again, you've already probably made a commitment to the radio thing. All you have to do is just change the fucking copy. So you pay another 50, 500 bucks, whatever the fuck the price is for a new read and the read is, "August 7th, "giving away $10,000 worth of sofas," the next week, "August 14th is Couch Day." - Then we clean up? - Clean up, clean up and you could do a very simple thing. You could price it appropriately and be like, we are doing the buy one, get one free sale. We will have all the get one free products in the front. You buy any product that matches that price, you get an equal value of the free section product. You buy $1,500 couch, you get a $1,500 couch for free 'cause you price it. You know that that couch is really 350 but if it was 1,500 at one point, and they're gonna say shit, well that's not 15 but still, it's fucking free, still you got already good prices. And all you're doing is you're inducing it to sell more of something else. You have ammo. That is huge. - And that could be the 250K that you can fund everything. - Almost like a scratch off, 20% off, you're getting-- - People respond to free, boy. Free gets people going. - Especially where we are. - I get it. - But I'm willing to bet that part of that 500K to a million, not everything is shit. There are pieces in there that you can probably, could be unique. - I'll see you guys soon. - [Amanda] Thank you. - Such a pleasure. How's it going so far, good? - Yeah. - Great, thank you guys. - [Male] Thank you. (upbeat music)
A2 初級 美國腔 打造品牌的創新方法--Gary Vaynerchuk客戶諮詢會 (Creative Ways to Build a Brand - Gary Vaynerchuk Client Consultation) 192 8 YU Xiang 發佈於 2021 年 01 月 14 日 更多分享 分享 收藏 回報 影片單字