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  • - So, welcome to Tribeca Cinemas

  • And we are here to answer any questions regarding

  • "Zeitgeist Moving Forward" and we're here with The Venus Project

  • our New York chapter coordinator

  • and you are also our New York chapter coordinator.

  • I'm not sure... We haven't given a categorization yet, have we?

  • - We're co-coordinators... - Co-coordinators, very beautiful.

  • I figured as much.

  • And open to any questions you guys have to ask.

  • (Interviewer #1) The third film is very ambitious and very radical.

  • How do you think that it could become a reality

  • when you step outside into the city and you see the condition.

  • Take a city like New York, for instance. You look at the skyline

  • you look at the people, you look at the piles of trash.

  • How do you think that we can really transition?

  • How realistically speaking, what do you think is...?

  • - Well, there's two angles of transition:

  • There's the physical transition and then there's the cultural transition.

  • And out of both sides, the latter is much more complex.

  • The physical transition, rebuilding of buildings:

  • this is all technically feasible. It's provably and scientifically concrete

  • that we can do much more advanced things with extreme high efficiency.

  • So the physical transition isn't a problem to me at all.

  • It's the cultural transition. It's the people that are locked

  • into this system. It's the people that identify so dogmatically

  • that they feel that anything that alters their sense of identity

  • is an attack on them. And often

  • people identify with social systems.

  • They want to believe that their social systems are for them

  • just like they want to believe that their governments are for them.

  • Just like they want to believe that marketing and advertising

  • or corporations like Apple Computer

  • has a huge following of people that identify strongly.

  • Same thing goes for corporations and social systems.

  • So we have the "free market". We live in "freedom" and "democracy"

  • and these words have resonant meanings with people

  • whatever you want to define them as. It's a whole different subject

  • because of the ambiguity of what people have been conditioned

  • to believe those words mean. Point being, the cultural transition

  • is by far the most difficult. We have to educate people

  • on what it means to be sustainable, and get them to understand the need

  • to identify with that for their own purposes

  • for the reasoning of their own survival

  • the survival of their kids and their grand-kids.

  • To give it a more concrete definition

  • of time span or technical transition

  • once you have enough people that believe in this

  • then you begin to slowly change certain environments

  • and certain regions to more sustainable practices

  • more sustainable practices not only regarding industry

  • but also what people actually do or engage in.

  • And then slowly the system will shift and then hopefully that will spread.

  • One more thing I'll add though is that there will be a social breakdown

  • which has already been underway for many decades

  • which people don't seem to reconcile or pay attention to

  • such as the continual doubling of poverty

  • the tremendous suffering, the extreme class division

  • the onslaught of all sorts of mental diseases, neuroses

  • and many things covered in the film as a result literally of this system.

  • These things are eventually going to come to a head, when people

  • will step back and finally say, "We can't do this anymore!"

  • This is affecting all of our health.

  • We are suffering tremendously at multiple levels.

  • We have energy deficiencies. We have health deficiencies.

  • And all of these things will come to a head to an effect where I think

  • eventually, slowly, they will permeate

  • most consciousness, and people will wake up

  • and realize that we have to do something new.

  • Either that happens or we're going to move into something

  • much, much worse, frankly.

  • (Interviewer#1) Right, and that's I think the area

  • that I'd like to talk about. How then would the movement

  • encourage people to get in front of that or get behind it?

  • - I feel my big influence

  • I say this, people find it cliché, is the American Civil Rights Movement

  • because it actually did work to a certain effect.

  • It was allowed to work, if you will

  • because of the fact that so many people got behind it.

  • The power is in critical mass. I don't believe that politicians

  • will do anything. To get into a position of political power

  • you have to navigate a certain path

  • that automatically creates a void

  • for challenging the system, to put it along with its sense.

  • You have to orient the status quo to even be in a position

  • to have a relationship with the status quo.

  • That's just the inevitable motion. You can't possibly have...

  • and if they do get in power, something will remove them from it

  • and that has been historically true or they're demeaned.

  • And the few people that are in power today in the Congress of the US

  • Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul

  • that have hints of trying to change things for the better

  • they get more attacked than any other politician out there.

  • They are stifled in their communication.

  • So the change will not come from any political system

  • and it certainly won't come from a corporate system.

  • You are not going to see corporations magically trying to be

  • actually sustainable because as I point out in the film

  • it is mathematically impossible for them to do so.

  • The entire financial system is driven by consumption

  • and the more consumption the better; therefore, sustainability

  • is intrinsically thrown out the window, and that's just one facet of it.

  • So the change will come from critical mass and people understanding...

  • Hopefully grassroots level through the Zeitgeist Movement Chapters globally

  • it will rise up. It will become dominant

  • in the sense that everyone knows about it

  • and eventually those status quo institutions

  • will have to step back and say "OK

  • we can no longer ignore this gigantic, global movement."

  • And that will be a peaceful type of interaction. Compromises will be made.

  • I'll just add one more thing. If things don't materialize

  • if things continue to get worse and worse. If things don't operate

  • in a relatively rational way

  • where people are paying attention to each other, where the governments

  • the United Nations, for example, says "OK. We are going to bring in

  • this new organization to see what they have to say

  • because they have hundreds of millions of people that follow it."

  • If that doesn't happen, then I think

  • certain acts of civil disobedience would be necessary.

  • (Interviewer#1) They are happening now. - There are, but on a global scale

  • not country specific. Civil disobedience on a global scale that

  • if any actions are taken, they are presented globally.

  • I think one action like that to show that there was a power to do so

  • would rattle the system to such an effect

  • that I think it could be very, very positive to get people

  • to finally want to listen to what we have to say, in power.

  • (Interviewer#1) But you take a look at all the austerity measures

  • that happened in Europe this past summer

  • and you see the protests in England and in Greece

  • and you see all that, and you see it in the media

  • the images of the firebombing from the police and the students

  • just the street violence that's occurring

  • at an alarming rate all through Europe... - Absolutely.

  • - And nothing is being done. - True. - Nobody cares.

  • People look at the images, and they don't see that it's a problem.

  • - They are getting used to it; they are getting numb to this.

  • What happens in society as the breakdown occurs

  • is people just start to say "Oh, that's the way it is."

  • They just say "That's the way it is that we have protests

  • or crime. That's the way it is that we have poverty."

  • And then generation after generation more "that's the way it is"

  • and everyone slowly accepts it and eventually

  • you have four or five, six billion people, many decades from now, starving

  • and they'll just say "Oh, it's our natural resources;

  • we don't have enough resources."

  • That's their conditioning to believe and that's the way it is.

  • So I don't advocate protest at all.

  • I don't believe in war protest in a direct sense.

  • I think it does something; I don't put it down

  • but I advocate actual action, so you're not going to see

  • the Zeitgeist Movement with signs held up in front of Congress

  • or anywhere in any country. That's not the point.

  • The point is, to actually, if there is a need

  • to actually do something that causes an act.

  • So to give a hypothetical, which I'm not advocating by the way

  • to show the power of critical mass

  • if 50% of the US population decided not to pay income taxes

  • there's no way the US government can prosecute all of these people.

  • (Int#1) I completely agree and I haven't paid income taxes in 10 years.

  • - So point being once the masses come together

  • and the strategy of divide and conquer is finally nullified

  • which has been with us for centuries and centuries

  • that's how you control people: divide them.

  • Once the artificial boundaries are overridden

  • by this core necessity of life

  • the life ground necessity that is talked about

  • life value analysis that John McMurtry describes

  • which is essentially implying exactly what the Venus Project is about

  • then people will come together and realize that we have to work

  • to preserve resources. We have to work to create a stable environment

  • for the benefit of everyone. We have to work to create equality

  • because of the evidence I've shown by Richard Wilkinson:

  • a stratified, divided society is one of the most unhealthy societies

  • you can possibly have and causes a vast spectrum of disease and illness.

  • It's scientifically proven in that sense

  • social science. I'm not going to say it's a technical science

  • but right now all stratified societies

  • the more stratified, the worst their health is overall

  • and that is something that has to be recognized.

  • We can't have a society that is so unhealthy when we know it's unhealthy

  • and hopefully people will begin to understand that and want to work

  • towards something that actually is in line with nature

  • and in line with what it takes to actually have a healthy society.

  • (Interviewer#2) As far as moving steps forward...

  • The whole design of the city as it's presented seems really...

  • ...worthwhile but also perhaps expensive

  • in the first iteration, in transition from what we've got now into...

  • It'll be one thing once there are 50 of those cities

  • and people are living in a different mind-set and in a different system

  • for those to regenerate is one thing. How do you get the first one?

  • But what can people start doing so it's not purely ideas but practice

  • because at a local level what people respond to is a better option

  • an actual better option they experience as a better experience.

  • You win over that many more people because...

  • It might not be the full city the first time.

  • It might be aspects of it... at a community level to build towards...

  • I'll wait until the camera's in. I'll respond

  • and I'll tell Jacque the question and he can respond as well.

  • - We're ready to go. - OK. With respect to what communities

  • can do to try to inch towards this type of environment

  • especially with respect to the city systems

  • which are an intricate part to... I mean you can...

  • The depiction of the city system is only one depiction

  • and I think Jacque Fresco would point out, but it's logical.

  • And it just shows what you would do to make

  • the most efficient, energy efficient, ease of transport.

  • You make things localized. These are very common things

  • and yes, I do believe that people can do this on a local level

  • on a low-fi way. That's the term I use, "low-fi"

  • as opposed to the hi-fi technical stuff that we point out.

  • But it doesn't create the real resolution of applying technology

  • in the highest order. That's all that has to be kept in mind

  • and when it comes to money...

  • You know, Jacque, people always ask

  • how much will it cost to build your city.

  • What do you say when they ask you that question in the sense of

  • what's relevance of cost. Is it relevant to cost?

  • - No, it's not. Do we have the resources to do it?

  • I mean the physical resources like trucks

  • to deliver materials: concrete, steel...

  • We have more than enough resources

  • but we don't have enough money to do it.

  • So if a country goes broke

  • as long as they have arable land and factories

  • the factories close because people don't have money to buy anything

  • and then the factories are taken over by local governments

  • because people don't pay taxes on the physical equipment.

  • So what happens? You get a lot of confusion, and

  • if people have information before the breakdown, they know what to do.

  • During the breakdown, they riot, break windows...

  • This is normal for people

  • that can't eat, do not get enough funding

  • from the government to buy food. They will riot.

  • The government will use the army, the navy

  • the National Guard to put down the riots.

  • And since I feel most riots

  • will be committed by younger people, so they will make new laws:

  • Everybody has to be in the house by nine o'clock.

  • Do you understand me? That's what governments always do.

  • It has nothing to do with reason or logic.

  • It has to do with a collapsing system.

  • Now even the collapsing system...

  • The Chevy company could not compete with the Japanese companies.

  • So they... bailed them out.

  • Bailing them out