字幕列表 影片播放 列印英文字幕 - So, welcome to Tribeca Cinemas And we are here to answer any questions regarding "Zeitgeist Moving Forward" and we're here with The Venus Project our New York chapter coordinator and you are also our New York chapter coordinator. I'm not sure... We haven't given a categorization yet, have we? - We're co-coordinators... - Co-coordinators, very beautiful. I figured as much. And open to any questions you guys have to ask. (Interviewer #1) The third film is very ambitious and very radical. How do you think that it could become a reality when you step outside into the city and you see the condition. Take a city like New York, for instance. You look at the skyline you look at the people, you look at the piles of trash. How do you think that we can really transition? How realistically speaking, what do you think is...? - Well, there's two angles of transition: There's the physical transition and then there's the cultural transition. And out of both sides, the latter is much more complex. The physical transition, rebuilding of buildings: this is all technically feasible. It's provably and scientifically concrete that we can do much more advanced things with extreme high efficiency. So the physical transition isn't a problem to me at all. It's the cultural transition. It's the people that are locked into this system. It's the people that identify so dogmatically that they feel that anything that alters their sense of identity is an attack on them. And often people identify with social systems. They want to believe that their social systems are for them just like they want to believe that their governments are for them. Just like they want to believe that marketing and advertising or corporations like Apple Computer has a huge following of people that identify strongly. Same thing goes for corporations and social systems. So we have the "free market". We live in "freedom" and "democracy" and these words have resonant meanings with people whatever you want to define them as. It's a whole different subject because of the ambiguity of what people have been conditioned to believe those words mean. Point being, the cultural transition is by far the most difficult. We have to educate people on what it means to be sustainable, and get them to understand the need to identify with that for their own purposes for the reasoning of their own survival the survival of their kids and their grand-kids. To give it a more concrete definition of time span or technical transition once you have enough people that believe in this then you begin to slowly change certain environments and certain regions to more sustainable practices more sustainable practices not only regarding industry but also what people actually do or engage in. And then slowly the system will shift and then hopefully that will spread. One more thing I'll add though is that there will be a social breakdown which has already been underway for many decades which people don't seem to reconcile or pay attention to such as the continual doubling of poverty the tremendous suffering, the extreme class division the onslaught of all sorts of mental diseases, neuroses and many things covered in the film as a result literally of this system. These things are eventually going to come to a head, when people will step back and finally say, "We can't do this anymore!" This is affecting all of our health. We are suffering tremendously at multiple levels. We have energy deficiencies. We have health deficiencies. And all of these things will come to a head to an effect where I think eventually, slowly, they will permeate most consciousness, and people will wake up and realize that we have to do something new. Either that happens or we're going to move into something much, much worse, frankly. (Interviewer#1) Right, and that's I think the area that I'd like to talk about. How then would the movement encourage people to get in front of that or get behind it? - I feel my big influence I say this, people find it cliché, is the American Civil Rights Movement because it actually did work to a certain effect. It was allowed to work, if you will because of the fact that so many people got behind it. The power is in critical mass. I don't believe that politicians will do anything. To get into a position of political power you have to navigate a certain path that automatically creates a void for challenging the system, to put it along with its sense. You have to orient the status quo to even be in a position to have a relationship with the status quo. That's just the inevitable motion. You can't possibly have... and if they do get in power, something will remove them from it and that has been historically true or they're demeaned. And the few people that are in power today in the Congress of the US Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul that have hints of trying to change things for the better they get more attacked than any other politician out there. They are stifled in their communication. So the change will not come from any political system and it certainly won't come from a corporate system. You are not going to see corporations magically trying to be actually sustainable because as I point out in the film it is mathematically impossible for them to do so. The entire financial system is driven by consumption and the more consumption the better; therefore, sustainability is intrinsically thrown out the window, and that's just one facet of it. So the change will come from critical mass and people understanding... Hopefully grassroots level through the Zeitgeist Movement Chapters globally it will rise up. It will become dominant in the sense that everyone knows about it and eventually those status quo institutions will have to step back and say "OK we can no longer ignore this gigantic, global movement." And that will be a peaceful type of interaction. Compromises will be made. I'll just add one more thing. If things don't materialize if things continue to get worse and worse. If things don't operate in a relatively rational way where people are paying attention to each other, where the governments the United Nations, for example, says "OK. We are going to bring in this new organization to see what they have to say because they have hundreds of millions of people that follow it." If that doesn't happen, then I think certain acts of civil disobedience would be necessary. (Interviewer#1) They are happening now. - There are, but on a global scale not country specific. Civil disobedience on a global scale that if any actions are taken, they are presented globally. I think one action like that to show that there was a power to do so would rattle the system to such an effect that I think it could be very, very positive to get people to finally want to listen to what we have to say, in power. (Interviewer#1) But you take a look at all the austerity measures that happened in Europe this past summer and you see the protests in England and in Greece and you see all that, and you see it in the media the images of the firebombing from the police and the students just the street violence that's occurring at an alarming rate all through Europe... - Absolutely. - And nothing is being done. - True. - Nobody cares. People look at the images, and they don't see that it's a problem. - They are getting used to it; they are getting numb to this. What happens in society as the breakdown occurs is people just start to say "Oh, that's the way it is." They just say "That's the way it is that we have protests or crime. That's the way it is that we have poverty." And then generation after generation more "that's the way it is" and everyone slowly accepts it and eventually you have four or five, six billion people, many decades from now, starving and they'll just say "Oh, it's our natural resources; we don't have enough resources." That's their conditioning to believe and that's the way it is. So I don't advocate protest at all. I don't believe in war protest in a direct sense. I think it does something; I don't put it down but I advocate actual action, so you're not going to see the Zeitgeist Movement with signs held up in front of Congress or anywhere in any country. That's not the point. The point is, to actually, if there is a need to actually do something that causes an act. So to give a hypothetical, which I'm not advocating by the way to show the power of critical mass if 50% of the US population decided not to pay income taxes there's no way the US government can prosecute all of these people. (Int#1) I completely agree and I haven't paid income taxes in 10 years. - So point being once the masses come together and the strategy of divide and conquer is finally nullified which has been with us for centuries and centuries that's how you control people: divide them. Once the artificial boundaries are overridden by this core necessity of life the life ground necessity that is talked about life value analysis that John McMurtry describes which is essentially implying exactly what the Venus Project is about then people will come together and realize that we have to work to preserve resources. We have to work to create a stable environment for the benefit of everyone. We have to work to create equality because of the evidence I've shown by Richard Wilkinson: a stratified, divided society is one of the most unhealthy societies you can possibly have and causes a vast spectrum of disease and illness. It's scientifically proven in that sense social science. I'm not going to say it's a technical science but right now all stratified societies the more stratified, the worst their health is overall and that is something that has to be recognized. We can't have a society that is so unhealthy when we know it's unhealthy and hopefully people will begin to understand that and want to work towards something that actually is in line with nature and in line with what it takes to actually have a healthy society. (Interviewer#2) As far as moving steps forward... The whole design of the city as it's presented seems really... ...worthwhile but also perhaps expensive in the first iteration, in transition from what we've got now into... It'll be one thing once there are 50 of those cities and people are living in a different mind-set and in a different system for those to regenerate is one thing. How do you get the first one? But what can people start doing so it's not purely ideas but practice because at a local level what people respond to is a better option an actual better option they experience as a better experience. You win over that many more people because... It might not be the full city the first time. It might be aspects of it... at a community level to build towards... I'll wait until the camera's in. I'll respond and I'll tell Jacque the question and he can respond as well. - We're ready to go. - OK. With respect to what communities can do to try to inch towards this type of environment especially with respect to the city systems which are an intricate part to... I mean you can... The depiction of the city system is only one depiction and I think Jacque Fresco would point out, but it's logical. And it just shows what you would do to make the most efficient, energy efficient, ease of transport. You make things localized. These are very common things and yes, I do believe that people can do this on a local level on a low-fi way. That's the term I use, "low-fi" as opposed to the hi-fi technical stuff that we point out. But it doesn't create the real resolution of applying technology in the highest order. That's all that has to be kept in mind and when it comes to money... You know, Jacque, people always ask how much will it cost to build your city. What do you say when they ask you that question in the sense of what's relevance of cost. Is it relevant to cost? - No, it's not. Do we have the resources to do it? I mean the physical resources like trucks to deliver materials: concrete, steel... We have more than enough resources but we don't have enough money to do it. So if a country goes broke as long as they have arable land and factories the factories close because people don't have money to buy anything and then the factories are taken over by local governments because people don't pay taxes on the physical equipment. So what happens? You get a lot of confusion, and if people have information before the breakdown, they know what to do. During the breakdown, they riot, break windows... This is normal for people that can't eat, do not get enough funding from the government to buy food. They will riot. The government will use the army, the navy the National Guard to put down the riots. And since I feel most riots will be committed by younger people, so they will make new laws: Everybody has to be in the house by nine o'clock. Do you understand me? That's what governments always do. It has nothing to do with reason or logic. It has to do with a collapsing system. Now even the collapsing system... The Chevy company could not compete with the Japanese companies. So they... bailed them out. Bailing them out does not mean sustainability.