Name: 【TED】凱莉·瑞奇蒙·波普: 舉報者如何塑造歷史 (How whistle-blowers shape history | Kelly Richmond Pope)
Uploaded: 2018-11-02T15:59:36.000Z
Duration: 12 min 2 s

譯者: Lilian Chiu 審譯者: Melody Tang

thought that we should report it, but decided not to?

在座有多少人，曾經看到某件事，

And not that I need to see a show of hands,

認為應該要舉報， 卻決定不要這麼做？

but I'm sure this has happened to someone in this room before.

In fact, when this question was asked to a group of employees,

只是我相信在座有很多人 都有過這樣的經驗。

46 percent of them responded by saying that they had seen something

事實上，當一群員工 被問到這個問題時，

46% 的人回答他們 曾經看到某件事，

So if you raised your hand, or quietly raised your hand,

所以如果你剛剛有舉手， 或是在心中默默舉手，

This message of if you see something to say something

不要覺得難過， 並非只有你一個人如此。

這個「如果你看見了什麼， 說出來」的訊息，

Even when driving down the highway, you see billboards like this,

encouraging us to report crime without revealing ourselves.

即使在高速公路上開車， 也會看到這樣的廣告牌，

But I still feel like a lot of us are really uncomfortable

鼓勵我們在不揭露 自己身分的情況下舉報犯罪，

但我仍然覺得，大部分人還是無法

I'm an accounting professor, and I do fraud research.

And in my class, I encourage my students to come forward with information

我是會計學教授，我研究詐欺。

在我的課堂上，我會鼓勵我的學生

Or in other words, encouraging my students to become whistle-blowers.

如果有看到什麼資訊， 要站出來揭發。

But if I'm being completely honest with myself,

或是，換句話說， 鼓勵我的學生當舉報者。

I am really conflicted with this message that I'm sending to my students.

我其實對於我傳達給學生的 這個訊息感到很矛盾。

Many people choose not to become whistle-blowers

一則又一則的頭條， 讓我們很清楚這一點。

Choosing to become a whistle-blower is an uphill battle.

選擇當舉報者等於 在打一場艱難的仗。

So how can I, as a professor who really cares about her students

encourage them to become whistle-blowers,

所以，我身為一個真的 很關心自己學生的教授，

when I know how the world truly feels about them?

我明明知道舉報者會被如何看待，

So, one day I was getting ready for my annual whistle-blower lecture

怎麼還能鼓勵學生去當舉報者？

所以，有一天，我正在準備 每年要對我學生做的舉報者演講。

And I was working on an article for "Forbes,"

我在為「富比士」 寫一篇文章，標題是

entitled "Wells Fargo and Millennial Whistle-blowing.

「富國銀行集團及千禧世代舉報？ 我們要告訴他們什麼？」

我在寫這篇文章時， 讀到了一個案例，

And as I was working on this piece and reading about the case,

And what made me angry was when I came to the fact and realized

that the employees that tried to whistle-blow

這件事真的讓我去思考 我一直在給我的學生的訊息。

它讓我去思考：如果我的學生是

about the message that I was sharing with my students.

And it made me think: What if my students had been Wells Fargo employees?

On the one hand, if they whistle-blew, they would have gotten fired.

if they didn't report the frauds that they knew,

如果他們不舉報他們知道的詐欺，

if they knew something and didn't report it.

So criminal prosecution is a real option.

所以受到刑事訴訟真的 是其中一個可能性。

What's a person supposed to do with those type of odds?

在這種勝算很低的 情況下，該怎麼做？

I of all people know the valuable contributions

舉報者做出的貢獻是多麼有價值。

In fact, most frauds are discovered by them.

事實上，大部分的詐欺 都是由舉報者發現的。

Forty two percent of frauds are discovered by a whistle-blower

like measurement review and external audit.

And when you think about some of the more classic

當你想想一些比較經典 或歷史上的詐欺案例，

想想水門案——由舉報者發現。

Think Watergate -- discovered by a whistle-blower.

想想安隆案——由舉報者發現。

Think Enron -- discovered by a whistle-blower.

還有，誰能忘得了伯納·馬多夫案？

And who can forget about Bernard Madoff, discovered by a whistle-blower?

It takes a tremendous amount of courage to come forward in the name of the truth.

But when we think about the term whistle-blower,

we often think of some very descriptive words:

但當我們想到舉報者這個詞時，

我們通常會聯想到一些 非常描述性的字眼：

And those are the nice words, the ones I can say from the stage.

那些還算是好的字眼， 是我能在台上說出來的。

I go around the country and I interview white-collar felons,

所以，當我不在課堂上時， 我會全國到處跑，

訪問詐欺案的白領重罪犯、 舉報者，以及受害者。

Because really I'm trying to understand what makes them tick

and to bring those experiences back into the classroom.

But it's my interviews with whistle-blowers that really stick with me.

但所有的訪談中， 和舉報者的訪談最讓我難忘。

我忘不了的原因是 它們讓我質疑我自己的勇氣。

because they make me question my own courage.

When given the opportunity, would I actually speak up?

And so, this is a couple stories that I want to share with you.

所以，我想要和各位 分享這幾個故事。

Mary Willingham is the whistle-blower from the University of North Carolina

瑪莉·威林漢是 教堂山北卡羅萊納大學的

And Mary was a learning specialist at the university,

當時瑪莉是該大學中的學習專員，

and she worked with students, primarily student athletes.

她工作時要面對學生， 主要是學生運動員。

And what she noticed, when she was working with students,

當她在帶這些學生時，她注意到

that seemed well beyond their reading levels.

程度似乎遠超過他們的閱讀水準。

and she found out that there was a database

where the student athletes could retrieve papers and turn them in.

學生運動員可以從 這個資料庫取得報告來繳交。

And then she found out that some of her colleagues

were funneling students into fake classes, just to keep them eligible to play.

Now, when Mary found this out, she was outraged.

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