but I watched the series that starts in May.

但我看了你演的新影集，五月才會上映的

I think it starts May 12.

我記得是五月十二號開始演

And there's only five of them, right?

然後只有五集，是嗎？

There are only five, yeah--

對，只有五集

OK, so I--

好，所以我⋯

--based on the five novels.

就跟原著小說一樣

So yeah.

所以就五集

--watched the first one last night.

我昨晚看了第一集

I can't watch the second one.

我不敢再繼續看第二集

I am going to be sad that there's no more than five,

因為知道只有五集可以看，看完了我會很難過

because it's amazing.

因為影集真的太棒了

It's a good story.

這是很棒的故事

Yeah, it's--

對，這真的⋯

Tell everyone what it's about.

跟大家介紹一下影集劇情

So it's called Patrick Melrose, and it charts

這齣名字是《梅爾羅斯》，主要紀錄

the story of this man's life.

男主角的人生

And it's a loose alter ego for the author himself,

也是原著作者本身的另一個面向

which is a miracle, when you consider the subject matter.

這個作品可說是奇蹟

It's a sort of impossible, I guess,

我覺得啦，一般人很難做這種主題

kind of contradiction in terms.

因為很多互相矛盾的點

It's both a tragedy and a very rich comedy.

它是悲劇，卻同時富有喜劇內容

I mean, you've seen it, so-- but it's great.

就是，妳看過嘛，所以⋯它很厲害

Oh my god.

天哪！

And it's so hard to play drunk or high without looking

而且你要演喝醉或吸毒很嗨，但是又不會太超過

like you're overdoing it.

這很難做到耶！

I mean, you're so good.

你真的太厲害了

Oh, wow.

噢，哇

You're just brilliant in this.

你真的是演員界翹楚

Thank you.

謝謝妳

Every scene, Portia and I were just watching it, just going--

我跟 Portia 在看的時候，每個鏡頭⋯

I just-- I want more of it.

我真的是⋯我覺得不過癮

I want more of that.

我想要一直看下去

And like you said, it's tragic.

就像你説，這是個悲劇故事

But it's just, you're so good.

但就是，你演得太傳神了

Yeah, it's sort of a paradox.

對，這部充滿矛盾

It does 180 degrees.

故事可以突然 180 度改變

It's to do with the nature of the deft writing,

這需要精湛的寫作才華

the incredible director, as well, Ed Bergman,

當然還有優秀的導演 Ed Bergman

this extraordinary author who's been bold enough

小說作者非常大膽的

to share his life in fictional form with prose that I think

以虛構小說的方式寫出他的人生

is some of the best in the 21st century.

他的散文我覺得是 21 世紀最棒的作品之一

If you like the series, buy the books,

如果你喜歡這部影集，建議你也買小說來看

because they're a whole other experience.

因為小說會帶給你全新的體驗

And it moves in a scene from a moment

在影集裡面，前一秒還在歡樂的氣氛裡

of hilarity to, you know, heart-wrenching pain

下一秒鏡頭就會移到，就是，錐心之痛

and pathos.

和悲傷

Yeah.

對

Well, congratulations.

恭喜你啦

I'm so glad you're doing that.

很開心看到你接這部影集

So The Avengers-- this is your first time in one

那講到《復仇者 3》-- 這是你第一次

of these movies, right?

演出復仇者系列吧？

In a big collective movie like this, yeah, the big ensemble.

像這種大集合電影，是第一次，對，全部角色合體

And how was it for you?

你覺得如何？

It was weird--

感覺有點怪 --

I mean, fantastic, daunting.

就是，很驚艷，也很緊張

My first day on set was with two icons,

我第一天開拍就和兩位經典英雄對戲

with Iron Man and Robert Downey Jr.

鋼鐵人和小勞勃道尼

And that's kind of unnerving, especially

這讓我有點焦慮，尤其因為

because this character has to sort of stand

一個自大狂，碰上另一個

beard to beard with another egotistical narcissist

漫威裡的臭屁自戀狂，要面對面尬戲

in the MCU.

( 註：MCU = Marvel Cinematic Universe 漫威電影宇宙)

And I have a similar status in the story.

我在故事裡也是差不多的個性

So that was a weird thing to pull out

所以在第一天和勞勃對戲的時候

of a hat on the first day on set with Robert.

就要應付這種角色之間的衝突，有點跪異

But he's fantastic, as you know, and very big.

但他真的很厲害，妳也知道，也很包容

Did you know anything about-- they're so secretive, though.

你知道有關⋯雖然他們保密到家

Did you know anything about the script?

但你知道任何跟劇本有關的事嗎？

I did, as has been much talked about.

我知道，也很多人在討論這個

And I think, yeah, it's slightly--

然後我覺得，對，這有點⋯

it's invoked a bit of jealousy.

別的演員可能會覺得有點不平衡

I did read the script, yeah.

我確實讀了全部的劇本，是的

I did.

所以我知道

How is that possible?

這怎麼可能？

This is your first--

這是你第一次⋯

I just took the pages, and--

我就翻開我的劇本，然後

No one else got a script.

其他人都沒有拿到全部劇本耶！

I don't have glasses yet, but I just cast my eyes over--

我那時都還沒戴上眼鏡，我就只有迅速掃過去

No, how did you do that?

不，你怎麼做到的？

I read words.

我就讀文字啊！

But no one else got scripts.

可是其他人沒拿到劇本

I know.

我知道

And it was a hard copy.

它是一份紙本的原稿

And it was sort of chained to a person that

他們把劇本先交給某人保管

then was taken back on some kind of police transport over to

然後會再交給類似鐵路警察的機構，送到⋯

[INAUDIBLE]

(無法辨識)

Wow.

哇

No, you have to understand.

可是你要知道

Like, nobody in the cast got a script-- no one.

就是，演員群裡只有你看到劇本 -- 其他人都不行

It was a super privilege.

這真的是至高的特權

But when it was pitched to me, what he does in this film--

但我接到劇本之後，我看奇異博士在電影中⋯

and Strange is kind of--

他的角色是有點像⋯

he kind of guards the brackets of reality.

他要負責守護現實世界的一切

So that kind of covers quite a lot of territory.

所以那包含了劇本很大的部份

And I thought I just--

我就想說⋯

I need a little bit more than my scenes to know what else

除了我自己戲份的劇本之外，我還需要知道其他情節

is going on.

是怎麼進行的

Well--

這樣啊⋯

So wait and see.

所以就期待一下吧！

--then you've got it.

所以你就拿到了

That's how you do it.

你就看了所有人的劇本

You say, I need more.

你就說，我需要知道更多劇情

That and really good reps.

然後還要有很有説服力的經紀人

Yeah, clearly.

對，一定要

Those other people are changing their reps right now.

其他演員要換經紀人了

They needed to go to my agency, exactly, yeah.

對，他們的確需要去一趟我的經紀公司

For sure, for sure.

當然，當然

So you have done just about everything.

你幾乎拍過所有類型的戲了吧？

You've not done a horror film, right?

好像還沒拍過恐怖片對不對？

No.

對，沒有

Do you want to do a horror film?

你會想演恐怖片嗎？

Kind of.

可能喔！

No, I heard that you did, no?

我聽說你想拍啊！沒有嗎？

As in, if somebody was saying to me,

就是，如果有人問我說

what haven't you done that you'd like to do,

你想嘗試哪些你還沒做過的事？

and I would be like, I guess I'd like

我就會回答，我可能會想要

to do a horror or a musical--

拍個恐怖片或是歌舞片

maybe both, maybe a horrifying musical.

或是兩個都要，來個驚悚歌舞片

A horrifying musical.

驚悚歌舞片？

It might be if I sing.

搞不好可以喔！如果我唱歌

- That would be really-- - A horrifying sight to see.

- 那真的會⋯ - 看起來很恐怖

Do you sing?

你會唱歌嗎？

To a degree.

多少會啦！

Uh-huh.

嗯哼

Yeah.

是

No, but it would be good.

但是可能會成功喔！

Do you like scary-- do you, in general, like

你喜歡恐⋯就是平常啦！你喜歡

to go to scary movies?

去看恐怖片嗎？

I scare very easy.

我超容易被嚇

Uh-oh.

噢不

I have a rampant imagination.

看完之後會有很猖狂的想像力

But when you're in a scary movie--

但如果你身在恐怖片裡⋯

Presumably, that--

假設啦，那麼⋯

--it takes it away.

就不會害怕了吧！

Exactly, right?

對啊！是吧？

You know it's-- oh, it's OK.

妳知道，就是，噢沒關係啦！

That's fake blood.

那個血是假的啊！

Right, yeah.

對，對

Right.

對

Although I'm still very susceptible.

雖然我可能還是會亂想

Aah!

嘩！

Oh, [BLEEP] off.

啊！(髒話)

[LAUGHTER]

(大笑)

Oh, [BLEEP]-ing hell.

噢！你 (髒話) 的！

Oh.

天哪⋯

Robert, you've got to stop doing that.

勞勃，別再這樣了好不？

It's getting tired, but clearly not on me.

這是老套了，但我還是被嚇一大跳

Wow.

哇

Good.

很好

I am still alive.

我還活著

This isn't heaven.

我還沒上天堂

Although it would be nice to be in heaven with you, but--

雖然能和妳一起在天堂是很棒啦，但⋯

Oh, I'd love to be in heaven with you, as well.

噢，我也想和你一起待在天堂

--I'm still alive.

我還活著

Thank Christ for that.

謝天謝地

Yeah.

對

That was really good.

剛剛那招真的猛

That was--

那個真的⋯

Yeah, that definitely frightened--

對，那真的嚇死⋯

what else is hollow here that might suddenly--

還有哪裡是突然會有人⋯

I should know, this happens on this show.

我早該知道啊！我看過妳的節目

I know.

我知道

So I--

所以我⋯

I know.

我懂

See, honestly, now you've got me on a real high-alert

看吧！跟妳說，妳逼我要隨時保持警覺了

Uh-huh.

嗯哼

That would be great, to drop someone from the ceiling.

如果從天上掉下來一個人嚇你，好像也不錯

My nose is running.

我都在流鼻涕了

I'm showing all the kind of fight-or-flight responses now.

我現在處於要嘛戰鬥要嘛就逃跑的狀態

All right, now, you actually handled it very well.

好啦，你其實沒有被嚇得很誇張啦！

Did I?

真的嗎？

Can we see it?

可以回顧一下嗎？

--susceptible.

⋯會亂想

Aah!

嘩！

Oh, [BLEEP] off.

啊！(髒話)

[LAUGHTER]

(大笑)

Wow.

哇

It's just really good that I'm not

真的幸好我不是受過訓練的

a trained assassin on martial arts expert,

武術專業殺手

because he'd be dead.

不然那傢伙就死定了

Right.

真的

Or she.

搞不好是女的

I don't even know.

我也不知道

I didn't get the gender.

根本來不及注意性別

It was just like, ah!

他就突然這樣，啊！

Yeah.

對的

I need to lie down.

我需要躺下休息

OK.

可啊