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  • - Mr. Zuckerberg, would you be comfortable

    - 祖克柏先生,您願意讓我們知道

  • sharing with us the name of the hotel you stayed in last night?

    您昨晚待的飯店叫什麼嗎?

  • - Um

    - 呃⋯⋯

  • No.

    不願意

  • - If you've messaged anybody this week,

    - 假設這個禮拜您有傳訊息給任何人,

  • would you share with us the names of the people

    您願意和我們分享

  • you've messaged?

    這些人的姓名嗎?

  • - Senator, no,

    - 閣下,不,

  • I would probably not choose to do that publicly here.

    我不會選擇在這裡公開這些資訊

  • - I think that may be what this is all about.

    - 我想整個事件的核心就是這樣

  • - In 2015, we heard the report that this developer

    - 2015 年,我們得知一份報告指出,某位 Aleksandr Kogan 先生,

  • Aleksandr Kogan had sold data to Cambridge Analytica.

    一名程式開發工程師,將大筆數據賣給劍橋分析公司

  • - Did you or senior leadership do an inquiry

    - 請問您或是其他公司高層有無曾經詢問

  • to find out who at Facebook had this information

    貴公司內部是否有人得知這個消息?

  • and did they not have a discussion about

    貴公司的高層難道沒有

  • whether or not the users should be informed

    在 2015 年十二月討論

  • back in December of 2015?

    用戶是否應得知這項資訊?

  • - Senator, in retrospect,

    - 閣下,現在回想

  • I think we clearly view it as a mistake

    我認為,我們都承認這是個錯誤

  • that we didn't inform people.

    我們當時確實應該讓大眾知道

  • And we did that based on false information

    但我們之所以做出這樣錯誤的決定

  • that we thought that the case was closed,

    是因為我們誤認為當時問題已經不存在,

  • and that the data had been deleted.

    還有那些數據都已經被刪除了

  • - So there was a decision made on that basis

    - 所以意思是,貴公司決議

  • not to inform the users. Is that correct?

    不告知用戶,是這樣嗎?

  • - That's my understanding, yes.

    - 據本人理解,是這樣沒錯

  • - I assume Facebook's been served with subpoenas

    - 我想臉書已經收到

  • from the special counsel Mueller's office.

    檢座 Mueller 先生辦公室寄來的傳票,

  • Is that correct?

    是這樣嗎?

  • - Yes.

    - 是的

  • Actually, let me clarify that.

    不,讓我解釋清楚

  • I actually am not aware of a subpoena.

    我其實不知道有沒有傳票

  • I believe that there may be.

    我想應該有

  • But I know we're working with them.

    但我知道我們現在在跟他們配合

  • - Thank you.

    - 謝謝

  • - If I buy a Ford and it doesn't work well

    - 假如我買了一輛福特汽車,但它卻不夠好,

  • and I don't like it, I can buy a Chevy.

    我不喜歡,那麼我可以買一台雪佛蘭

  • If I'm upset with Facebook,

    如果我對臉書不滿意,

  • what's the equivalent product that I can go sign up for?

    那麼我的替代方案有哪些?

  • - The average American uses eight different apps

    - 平均而言,美國人使用八種不同的 app——

  • - Okay.

    - 好喔

  • - — to communicate with their friends

    ——聯絡朋友,

  • and stay in touch with people

    並且和人們保持聯繫——

  • - Okay.

    - 嗯

  • - — ranging from text apps

    - 包含各種訊息傳送 app

  • - — which is

    - ——也就是——

  • to email.”

    - 來傳送 e-mail

  • - Which is the same service you provide.

    - 也就是您所提供的服務

  • - Well, we provide a number of different services.

    - 事實上,我們提供多項產品和服務

  • - Is Twitter the same as what you do?

    - 請問推特做的和貴公司一樣嗎?

  • - It overlaps with a portion of what we do.

    - 他們有些部分和我們重疊

  • - You don't think you have a monopoly?

    - 您難道不覺得貴公司具有獨佔地位嗎?

  • - It certainly doesn't feel like that to me.

    - 對我而言,完全沒有這種感覺

  • - Okay.

    - 好吧

  • - Do you need to look behind shell corporations

    - 請問您需要調查空殼公司

  • in order to find out who is really

    以便得知背後發布貼文的人們

  • behind the content that's being posted?

    到底是誰嗎?

  • And if you may need to look behind a shell corporation,

    那麼,假使您需要對空殼公司進行調查,

  • how will you go about doing that?

    請問您如何執行?

  • How will you get back to the true,

    您如何追溯法律上所謂

  • what lawyers would call 'beneficial owner'

    「受益所有權人」的真實身份?

  • of the site that is putting out the political material?

    也就是發布那些政治訊息的網站背後的推手?

  • - So what we're going to do is require a valid government identity

    - 在這種情況下,我們需要索取正式身分證明,

  • and we're going to verify the location.

    我們也需要確認該方的所在位置

  • So we're going to do that,

    我們之所以這麼做的結果是,

  • so that way someone sitting in Russia, for example,

    假設有人在俄羅斯發布貼文,

  • couldn't say that they're in America

    該人就無法宣稱自己在美國

  • and therefore able to run an election ad.

    如此一來,就無法發布競選廣告

  • - But if they were running through a corporation domiciled

    - 但假設同樣的人在德拉瓦州開設一間公司,

  • in Delaware, you wouldn't know that they were actually

    您就不會知道幕後的金主其實是

  • a Russian owner.

    俄國人

  • - Senator, that's— that's correct.”

    - 閣下,是的,是這樣沒錯

- Mr. Zuckerberg, would you be comfortable

- 祖克柏先生,您願意讓我們知道

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