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SHELLEY: You'll never regret being chaste and virtuous.
It's not a thing you will ever regret.
And if you think you will, you're wrong.
IAN: In the church, we need to talk about chastity.
lots of people feel awkward when they bring up this idea
up or when your parents bring it up.
But we need to talk about it in the correct way.
KWAKU: We're gonna talk about sex, pornography,
masturbation, and you know what, if you're
Googling something you shouldn't be Googling
and you got us instead, keep watching, you
probably need it.
IAN: Yeah, because Shelley's face is a lot
more beautiful than those weird Google searches.
KWAKU: A lot more beautiful.
IAN: When we're talking about chastity,
lots of people think, “So how far can I go?"
Bad mentality to start out with.
That's a bad approach.
What you need to think is, “What is chastity,
what is virtue, what is purity?"
It's when you want to be a good person,
number one, but also when we're talking
about chastity, you need to feel like you
can be close to the Savior.
If you're doing something and you don't
feel close to the Savior, and it's kinda
veering you towards inappropriate thoughts,
just take a pivot and go the opposite direction.
KWAKU: We've all been in high school and
we know when we're having a lot of friends
who are having sex and they tell you stories
and you're like, “Oh I know her, oh I
know him, that's weird.”
The thing is, we are a peculiar people.
We are a very strange people.
We are Latter-day Saints.
We do not live by the world's standards.
And so this idea that it's not cool or it's
silly or it's too hard to wait until you're
married to have sex is ridiculous.
It's not to hard.
It may seem like it's too hard sometimes
but what do we believe?
We believe that we are children of God and
that we are capable of amazing things.
And if you're a child of God then you can
overcome those sexual pressures.
Jesus Christ was nailed to a cross for us.
He overcame that.
We can overcome some impure thoughts.
IAN: I know people really do have a hard time
with things like pornography and other things
like that.
And it can be hard when it gets to the point
where it's an addiction.
However, our conversation needs to be when
people first have those encounters, how can
we treat them?
What's the right way and what's the wrong
way to do it?
Cause I think when someone comes up to you
and they say, “Hey, this happened to me
last week and I saw this...” and we just
immediately shun them and we lose friendship
with them, that's the wrong way and the
right way is, you can come back.
SHELLEY: So, like how you were saying about
in High School how we're different and in
college we're different by not having sex
before marriage and all of this stuff--
a lot of times people, even members of our own
faith, can call you, “Oh you're such a
prude for not wanting to do this or you're
such a prude for not wanting to do this.”
I don't think there's a thing as being too prude.
There's no way you're ever inconveniencing
somebody else by being comfortable in what
you're doing with another person.
KWAKU: I just wanted to say, my friends who
are not LDS but who have had sex…
I have a great friend who tells me all the time,
“Ah, I wish I would've waited until
I was married.”
Cause now that he's done something which
is a very important act,
it's a very emotional act, right?
It's the act that brings human beings to exist on earth.
And if you're just doing it with people
you don't love, who you're not going to
be with for the rest of your life,
it's gonna have an emotional impact on you
and you're going to regret it.
And he regrets it.
I have these conversations all the time where
they regret it because they now know,
“Oh, my children are going to do this and they're
going to have these terrible feelings and
I've done it.”
So if you ever think that you should do it
because you have to or because your boyfriend
or girlfriend really wants to--
IAN: It's a moment of commitment
KWAKU: It's not a moment of commitment.
It's not.
And if that's the only way to keep their love,
I don't really think they love you
that much, okay?
If they can't respect your faith and your
conviction, to stay…
I don't want to use the word pure cause
that sounds a bit...
SHELLEY: Stay in line with what the Lord wants.
KWAKU: Yeah.
Then I don't think they're the person
you should be with. I don't think so.
SHELLEY: You'll never regret being chaste
and virtuous. It's not a thing you will ever regret.
And if you think you will, you're wrong.
IAN: Yeah, and it brings me closer to my wife
every single day of my life.
It's just so much more gratifying in my
heart to know that I am following what the
Lord wants me to do and I feel good about it.
KWAKU: So, the idea of personal chastity-
I have a rule and… if you end up kissing me, haha
if you play your cards right,
you might get to meet Abraham Lincoln and
George Washington.
You can't kiss for more than a minute.
And you know, that's my--
Who's Abraham Lincoln and George Washington?
IAN: You've left the public not thinking
about a minute of kissing but about Abraham Lincoln.
KWAKU: Here's why.
George Washington brings freedom.
But Abraham Lincoln, he'll wreck a country in half.
But it'll be really good for ya.
SHELLEY: I don't understand!
IAN: This is great, keep going.
KWAKU: The point is, I actually believe...
I will not kiss you longer than a minute.
I think like 45 seconds is so long.
Some people go for 10 minutes, 15 minutes, and hour
I think, from my personal opinion, I don't
feel comfortable for going longer than,
really than 30 seconds, but a minute is max.
You stop then you go get some Chinese food
or something
IAN: Yeah, and don't kiss after the Chinese food.
Shelley: That's a date with KWAKU.
Call 1-800-date-with-KWAKU.
Ian:One minute kiss and Chinese food you'll never forget
Kwaku: Don't get Chinese food before.
Then it's like Paul Pot and Jackie Chan.
Shelley: When talking about virtue and chastity
in broader terms than just like giving yourself specific
things and lines that you can't cross when
you're making out with a girl or whatever.
I heard once that a really big part of chastity
is honoring your virtue and honoring his priesthood.
Ian: Also, have a conversation with your significant
other about chastity if you're not married.
Because you don't want it to get to the point where it's
"oh we havent established ground rules.
Oh this is really awkward and I feel really
worried about this." Just don't run into that issue.
Pray about them, make sure that there's
goals that are set and everything's gonna turn out okay.
Kwaku: And I also want to say that we've all probably
gone a little farther than we'd like in certain regards.
You know you go than a minute, you don't feel good
But again, you know, it does not mean you're
a bad person, it doesn't mean God loves
you less, it doesn't mean you
walk around with this, you know, this shiny
bright "A" on your shirt.
No one can tell, it's okay, just know you
you dont have to keep choosing that.
It's like you're going to take a brick
and keep hitting yourself in the face, I mean,
once has been enough. Shelley: don't keep doing that!
Kwaku: Don't keep hitting yourself, like
"ah gosh, why did I do that? BANG!"
Well, Sir, you're going to get a broken jaw.
Shelley: I think if you take it to your bishop,
I think that's a really great idea.
If you feel like you've done something wrong,
and it's hurting you and you feel really guilty,
take it to your bishop or your priesthood leader.
Or even if you're younger, go to your parents
and see if they feel like you need to go to
see the bishop and he can help you through
the repentance process
Kwaku: Bishops are so cool
Ian: If you are feeling guilty, just go to the bishop
and he will clear everything up for you.
It could be a process, it's not going to
be like a little fairy wand that says,
"You're clean now!"
There is going to be a process!
But understand that that's the way the Savior
wants it to be.
Shelley: Ands not like a one time thing.
If that problem keep occurring in your life,
you can keep seeing the bishop until you have
really narrowed it down and figured out how
to solve what's going on with you.
Ian: And the Lord has something for non members
and members alike.
There is the Atonement, and the Atonement
allows you, through the Lord Jesus Christ,
to have your sins taken away from you
through your own desire.
He not just going to do it, you have to have
the desire to return to righteousness.
Shelley: That Atonement covers everything,
it makes you completely perfect again.
I know there are a lot of analogies in like
Young Women classes and just in the world
out there that talks about if you have
had sex, it's like taking a fresh piece of gum
and like chewing it, and like once you've
had sex and you have lost your virtue,
it comes back and it's "chewed gum."
That's false because the atonement of Jesus Christ...
Jesus Christ pretty much takes that gum and
throws it away gives you a brand new piece
and that is you now.
Shelley: Brand new, everything is great and
all of your sins are taken care of and washed
clean if you go with the right motives and
desires and you repent fully.
Kwaku: Christ did not die for you to walk
around and think you are worthless.
That's not why he died,
that would just be vain.
He did not die for that.
But I also want to hit on this, you know,
I think our members know this, but for the
non members out there, there is this idea
that because christ died, you're covered completely.
And, whatever you do doesn't matter.
No, no no no.
What you do matters, just because Christ did
die on the cross, He did suffer in the Garden
of Gethsemane for you, but that isn't a free
pass to do whatever you want because
you are forgiven.
You are not forgiven unless you apply the Atonement.
Let's just make that clear.
Kwaku: On the subject of masturbation, repent!
We are not supposed to do it, don't do it.
Kwaku: We are making sound a lot easier than
it is and we know that it's not that easy.
Shelley: It's not easy.
Kwaku: Like, it's a difficult thing cause
human beings want to procreate.
Shelley: It's worth it.
Ian: That's, that's kind of why I was like,
you know, these feelings are natural.
We are made to be attracted to the opposite
sex because we have come here to bring down
spirit children.
But they need to be done in the bounds
that the Lord has set for us.
Kwaku: Pornography is evil!
It is a terrible piece of media.
Ian: NASTY!
Kwaku: created by Satan.
It is absolutely the filth of the world, it's horrible.
I want to be clear, IT IS BAD IN ALL FORMS.
Ian: It is disgusting
Kwaku: Disgusting
Shelley: All forms, soft porn included.
When it's like a TV show that has really,
really strong pornographic themes.
Ian: Or a scene that just eludes to sexual activity.
Kwaku: Humor!
Humor that eludes to having sexual activity.
It's wrong.
You know, it's impossible to avoid.
You go on Twitter and you see someone will
retweet a kitten, it's like super cute and
then it's just porn right there.
Like wow!
I went from cute kittens to porn like in a second.
Ian: It happens
Kwaku: that is the world we live in.
Just because we live in that world does not
mean we have to engage in the activities
of that world.
Don't view this stuff, just don't do it.
Ian: The church has great programs,
great recovery programs like the 12 step process
and it's okay if you use it.
Like, its not embarrassing.
It is okay to use it.
Kwaku: I was also going to say, if you are
feeling guilty, if you're feeling like you
need to repent, then go to your bishop.
Shelley: And the 12 step program stuff,
the 12 step addiction recovery, it's not specifically
pornography or sex addiction or anything,
it can be literally just addicted to Netflix.
You can work through the program for that
and them maybe you'll be more prepared in
the future if you come across somebody with
a pornography addiction, you'll have gone
through those 12 steps for your Netflix addiction
and you'll be more capable and able to help your friend.
Ian: I am addicted to pizza…
Shelley: You should probably go through the
12 step addiction recovery program.
Kwaku: We're trying to be cute but for the
most part, if you, ya know…
get a salad, alright?
Ian: I thought he was gonna bring it back,
but do get a salad.
Ian: Pizza's not the best.
I like pizza.
But in all seriousness, there are amazing
opportunities that the Lord has given us
to come back in His presence.
And we need to follow those promptings.
Shelley: And for any members out there who
are watching, just remember that if anyone
comes to you with a pornogrpahy addiction
or any other kind of addiction, we should
be the most loving and accepting people
because we are members of--
Ian: Representatives of Christ.
Shelley: Representatives of Christ.
Ian: What would Christ do?
Shelley: We're Saints and we're representing Christ.
And Christ would be the most loving.
Christ is the one who didn't eat lunch with
the people who were doing all of the same
things he was doing.
He went and had lunch with people who were
sinning and helped all of the people who had
really big struggles and that's what we
should be doing; accepting of everybody.
Kwaku: So this is a pretty tense episode and
a lot of controversial stuff but things that
we need to talk about.
And as members of the Church and as people,
so tell us what you think below.
Shelley: So follow us on Facebook, Instagram,
Twitter, and Snapchat.
Ian: Also, there's lots of links that you
can click on that we referenced today.
Shelley: It's fun to click on things.
Kwaku: Click on things, we hope you like it.
We're not saying it in a bragadocious way,
we're not being bragadocious.
We do amazing things.
Ian: They're okay, they're okay
Kwaku: They're okay, they're okay
Shelley: Mormons rock!
Yeah!
Kwaku: That gold guy could be a lot bigger.