And take us through those,

你今天帶來葉門時報中的一些照片

and introduce us to another Yemen.

藉由報中的照片

Nadia Al-Sakkaf: Well, I'm glad to be here.

帶領我們認識不一樣的葉門

And I would like to share with you all

我很高興來到這裡

some of the pictures that are happening today in Yemen.

我想跟各位分享

This picture shows a revolution

照片中一些發生在葉門的真實故事

started by women,

這張照片中是一場革命

and it shows women and men

由女人所發起

leading a mixed protest.

但是在示威遊行的隊伍中

The other picture

有男人也有女人

is the popularity of the real need for change.

另一張照片裡

So many people are there.

是渴求改變的一群人

The intensity of the upspring.

你可以看到人真的很多

This picture shows that the revolution

抗爭有多激烈

has allowed opportunities for training,

這張照片能看到

for education.

革命帶給人們受訓的機會

These women are learning about first aid

以及受教育的機會

and their rights according to the constitution.

這群女人正在急救訓練

I love this picture.

這是憲法所賦予她們的權力

I just wanted to show

我很喜歡這張照片

that over 60 percent of the Yemeni population

我想用這張照片說明

are 15 years and below.

六成以上的葉門人

And they were excluded from decision-making,

雖然年齡在十五歲以下

and now they are in the forefront of the news,

不能參予國家政策的決策過程

raising the flag.

他們卻站在新聞最前線

English --

高舉國旗

you will see, this is jeans

英文標語

and tights,

你們看，這是件牛仔褲

and an English expression --

和一件緊身衣

the ability to share with the world

上面寫了英文標語

what is going on in our own country.

展現他們有能力向世界訴說

And expression also,

我們國內正在發生什麼

it has brought talents.

同時也展現了

Yemenis are using cartoons

他們的聰明才智

and art,

葉門人用卡通,

paintings, comics,

藝術,

to tell the world and each other

畫作、漫畫

about what's going on.

告訴全世界以及彼此

Obviously, there's always the dark side of it.

葉門的故事

And this is just one of the less-gruesome pictures

誠然，任何事情都有其黑暗面

of the revolution

這算是革命照片中

and the cost that we have to pay.

血腥程度較輕的一張照片

The solidarity

也是我們所付出的代價

of millions of Yemenis across the country

眾志成城

just demanding the one thing.

上百萬來自國內四方的葉門人

And finally, lots of people are saying

為革命齊聚一堂

that Yemen's revolution

最後，很多人在說

is going to break the country.

葉門的革命

Is it going to be so many different countries?

將會撕裂這個國家

Is it going to be another Somalia?

葉門會分裂成許多國家嗎?

But we want to tell the world that, no,

會成為另一個索馬利亞嗎?

under the one flag, we'll still remain as Yemeni people.

我們要告訴世界，答案是「不」

PM: Thank you for those images, Nadia.

仰望同一面國旗，我們以後仍然是葉門人

And they do, in many ways,

謝謝你帶來的照片，納迪亞

tell a different story

這些各式各樣的照片

than the story of Yemen,

確實呈現了葉門不同的面貌

the one that is often in the news.

而非那一個

And yet, you yourself

我們常在新聞裡看到的葉門

defy all those characterizations.

說到妳自身

So let's talk about the personal story for a moment.

就很與眾不同

Your father is murdered.

讓我們談一下妳的個人故事

The Yemen Times already has

妳父親遭人殺害

a strong reputation in Yemen

他所創立的葉門時報

as an independent English language newspaper.

當時已經在葉門享有盛名

How did you then

作為獨立發行的英文報紙

make the decision and assume the responsibilities

妳當初是如何

of running a newspaper,

決定扛起重任

especially in such times of conflict?

經營這一家報社

NA: Well, let me first warn you

尤其還是在如此動盪的時期？

that I'm not the traditional Yemeni girl.

我要先說

I've guessed you've already noticed this by now.

我可不是傳統的葉門女孩

(Laughter)

這點我想各位早就發現了

In Yemen, most women are veiled

(笑聲)

and they are sitting behind doors

在葉門，一般女人都戴著面紗

and not very much part of the public life.

隱身在門後

But there's so much potential.

對公眾事務參與不多

I wish I could show you my Yemen.

但她們潛力無窮

I wish you could see

我希望能讓各位瞭解我認識的葉門

Yemen through my eyes.

希望各位透過我的眼

Then you would know

看看我眼中的葉門

that there's so much to it.

你們就會明白

And I was privileged because I was born into a family,

葉門絕對不只如此

my father would always encourage the boys and the girls.

我很幸運出生在一個特別的家庭

He would say we are equal.

我父親總是鼓勵我們兄弟姊妹

And he was such an extraordinary man.

男女平等

And even my mother -- I owe it to my family.

他是個了不起的人

A story:

我母親也是--這一切都歸功於我的家庭

I studied in India.

我要從故事的開始說起

And in my third year, I started becoming confused

我在印度求學

because I was Yemeni,

大三時，我開始感到困惑

but I was also mixing up

因為我是葉門人

with a lot of my friends in college.

卻和印度人一起生活

And I went back home and I said,

我的一群大學朋友都是印度人

"Daddy, I don't know who I am.

於是回到家後我說

I'm not a Yemeni; I'm not an Indian."

「爸爸，我不知道我是誰」

And he said, "You are the bridge."

「我不是葉門人，卻也不是印度人」

And that is something I will keep in my heart forever.

他說：「你是我們和他們之間的橋梁』

So since then I've been the bridge,

這件事我永生難忘

and a lot of people have walked over me.

從那時起，我把自己當作橋梁

PM: I don't think so. (Laughter)

許多人從我身上走過

NA: But it just helps tell

不是這樣吧

that some people are change agents

但這個說法確實說明

in the society.

有些人正是社會中

And when I became editor-in-chief

推動改變的齒輪

after my brother actually --

在我當上主編的時候

my father passed away in 1999,

在我哥過世之後

and then my brother until 2005 --

我父親於1999年去世

and everybody was betting that I will not be able to do it.

然後我哥於2005年過世

"What's this young girl coming in and showing off

期間眾人都打賭我做不到

because it's her family business," or something.

「這女孩要來賣弄什麼?」

It was very hard at first.

「就因為那是她家的企業」之類的

I didn't want to clash with people.

一開始真的很辛苦

But with all due respect

我不想與人衝突

to all the men, and the older men especially,

可是，我必須很恭敬地說

they did not want me around.

尤其是那些男人，特別是年長的男人

It was very hard, you know,

他們都不想和我工作

to impose my authority.

當時要建立我的權威

But a woman's got to do what a woman's got to do.

真的非常難

(Applause)

但我一個女人該怎麼做，就要怎麼做

And in the first year,

(掌聲)

I had to fire half of the men.

第一年

(Laughter)

我革職了一半男性職員

(Applause)

(笑聲)

Brought in more women.

(掌聲)

Brought in younger men.

吸收更多女職員

And we have a more gender-balanced newsroom today.

吸收年輕的男性

The other thing is that it's about professionalism.

編輯部現在的男女比例平衡多了

It's about proving who you are and what you can do.

我要做的另一件事是建立「專業」

And I don't know if I'm going to be boasting now,

就是要證明你是誰、你能做什麼

but in 2006 alone,

現在聽來可能有點像在吹噓

we won three international awards.

不過光是在2006年

One of them is the IPI

我們就贏得了三座國際大獎

Free Media Pioneer Award.

包括國際新聞協會頒發的

So that was the answer

自由媒體先鋒獎

to all the Yemeni people.

這個獎正是我們

And I want to score a point here,

獻給所有葉門人的答案

because my husband is in the room over there.

在此我想特別講一件事

If you could please stand up, [unclear].

因為我先生在那邊

He has been very supportive of me.

你可以站起來嗎?

(Applause)

他一直很支持我

PM: And we should point out

(掌聲)

that he works with you as well at the paper.

我們要指出一點

But in assuming this responsibility

就是你先生也協助你發行報紙

and going about it as you have,

就妳所扛下責任這一點

you have become a bridge

以及妳做事的方式

between an older and traditional society

妳已成為了一座橋梁

and the one that you are now creating at the paper.

連結傳統舊社會

And so along with changing who worked there,

以及用報紙所開創出來的新社會

you must have come up against another positioning

你在人事上代舊換新時

that we always run into, in particular with women,

一定再次進行了人事調動

and it has to do with outside image,

如此免不了碰到問題，特別在女性工作上

dress, the veiled woman.

也要注意外界觀感

So how have you dealt with this

服裝，女人的面紗等問題

on a personal level

妳是如何處理這些問題?

as well as the women who worked for you?

妳自己個人又是怎麼做?

NA: As you know,

以及那些為妳工作的女性職員?

the image of a lot of Yemeni women is a lot of black

如妳所知

and covered, veiled women.

一般人對葉門女人的印象是穿一身黑

And this is true.

遮住全身，臉蓋面紗

And a lot of it is

這是事實

because women are not able, are not free,

多半是因為

to show their face to their self.

女人不被允許

It's a lot of traditional imposing

自由以面示人

coming by authority figures

權威人士對女性加諸

such as the men, the grandparents and so on.

許多傳統禮教

And it's economic empowerment

包括男人和祖父母等

and the ability for a woman to say,

改變要靠經濟賦權

"I am as much contributing to this family, or more,

並給予女人權利說出

than you are."

「我對家庭的貢獻等同，

And the more empowered the women become,

甚至超過你們」

the more they are able to remove the veil, for example,

女人能擁有的權力越多

or to drive their own car

就越能夠摘去面紗，例如

or to have a job or to be able to travel.

開自己的車，

So the other face of Yemen

有自己的工作，自己去旅行

is actually one

因此，葉門的另一面

that lies behind the veil,

事實上

and it's economic empowerment mostly

隱身在面紗之後

that allows the woman to just uncover it.

大多得靠經濟賦權

And I have done this throughout my work.

才能讓女人拋去面紗

I've tried to encourage young girls.

我用我的工作做到了

We started with, you can take it off in the office.

這是我一直鼓勵年輕女孩這樣做

And then after that, you can take it off on assignments.

首先第一步，妳能在辦公室內取下面紗

Because I didn't believe a journalist can be a journalist with --

後來，連採訪時也能取下

how can you talk to people if you have your face covered? --

因為我不認為作為記者,

and so on; it's just a movement.

記者難道能遮著臉和人講話?

And I am a role model in Yemen.

就這樣一步一步前進

A lot of people look up to me.

我就是葉門女人的典範

A lot of young girls look up to me.

很多人尊敬我

And I need to prove to them that, yes, you can still be married,

很多年輕女孩景仰我

you can still be a mother,

我要向她們證明：妳還是能結婚

and you can still be respected within the society,

妳還是能成為母親

but at the same time,

妳也一樣能在社會上受到尊重

that doesn't mean you [should] just be one of the crowd.

同時間

You can be yourself and have your face.

這不代表妳應該和別人一樣

PM: But by putting yourself personally out there --

妳可以做你自己，以面示人

both projecting a different image

妳以自身為例

of Yemeni women,

既賦予葉門女人

but also what you have made possible

新的面貌

for the women who work at the paper --

同時讓女人在報社工作

has this put you in personal danger?

成為可能

NA: Well the Yemen Times, across 20 years,

這是否曾危害妳的個人安全?

has been through so much.

葉門時報過去20年來

We've suffered prosecution;

經歷了大風大浪

the paper was closed down more than three times.

我們曾遭受控告

It's an independent newspaper,

報社遭關閉超過三次

but tell that to the people in charge.

就算我們說我們是獨立報社

They think that if there's anything against them,

對掌權的人這樣講

then we are being an opposition newspaper.

他們認為只要對他們不利

And very, very difficult times.

我們就是反對派的報社

Some of my reporters were arrested.

那時候真的很難熬

We had some court cases.

我的一些記者被逮捕

My father was assassinated.

我們要跑法院

Today, we are in a much better situation.

我父親被暗殺

We've created the credibility.

我們現在好多了

And in times of revolution or change like today,

我們已經建立了威信

it is very important for independent media to have a voice.

每當面臨革命，或是像今天這樣的改變

It's very important

獨立媒體能夠發聲非常重要

for you to go to YemenTimes.com,

重要在於

and it's very important

各位能上YemenTimes.com的網站

to listen to our voice.

重要在於

And this is probably something

能聽見我們自己的聲音

I'm going to share with you

這些就是

in Western media probably --

我想和你們分享的

and how there's a lot of stereotypes --

西方媒體

thinking of Yemen in one single frame:

可能會有很多刻板印象

this is what Yemen is all about.

用單一想法來看葉門

And that's not fair.

認為葉門就是如此

It's not fair for me; it's not fair for my country.

而這不公平

A lot of reporters come to Yemen

對我，對我的國家都不公平

and they want to write a story on Al-Qaeda or terrorism.

很多記者到葉門

And I just wanted to share with you:

是來寫蓋達組織和恐怖行動的報導

there's one reporter that came.

我想和你們分享的是

He wanted to do a documentary

有一個記者來葉門

on what his editors wanted.

是想要做記錄片報導

And he ended up writing about a story that even surprised me --

是他的編輯要他做的

hip hop --

他最後寫了一篇連我都驚豔的報導

that there are young Yemeni men

關於嘻哈

who express themselves

葉門年輕人

through dancing and puchu puchu.

表達自己的方式

(Laughter)

是跳舞和puchu puchu

That thing. (PM: Rap. Break dancing.)

(笑聲)

Yeah, break dancing.

饒舌和地板舞

I'm not so old.

是啊，地板舞

I'm just not in touch.

我沒那麼老

(Laughter)

只是不常接觸這些

(Applause)

(笑聲)

PM: Yes, you are.

(掌聲)

Actually, that's a documentary

是啊

that's available online; the video's online.

其實那支紀錄片

NA: ShaketheDust.org.

網路上看得到，影片被上傳到網路

PM: "Shake the Dust." (NA: "Shake the Dust.")

網址是ShaketheDust.org

PM: ShaketheDust.org.

"Shake the Dust"

And it definitely does give a different image of Yemen.

ShaketheDust.org

You spoke about the responsibility of the press.

它絕對呈現了葉門的不同風貌

And certainly, when we look

你剛談到新聞媒體的責任

at the ways in which we have separated ourselves from others

確實，當我們檢視