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Lisa Haven: Hi everybody this is Lisa Haven and I have
an interesting topic for you! And that is,
what happens when you die? Now, this is one hundred percent proof,
from the mouth of NDEs which are Near Death Experience cases.
And I am going to get into detail and I am going to share a couple of stories about that.
But 100 percent true about what happens when you die, at least from the
mouths of some involved. Now,
I have been reading this book it is called,
“The Supernatural Worldview” by Chris Putnan
and it recently came out.
Anyhow, I really enjoyed it and I found some great insights
on it. I am not done reading it yet, but I have started on it,
and I just want to share with you, some of those stories
from this book and I will leave a link at the bottom if you want to check that out.
But oftentimes, people are left with a question:
What happens at the end of life? What happens when you die?
All religions tend to claim they have an answer - you have reincarnation as an answer,
you have the atheist view - where you just die and that is it. [Chuckles]
And then you have the Christian answer which is you die and there is a Heaven,
and there is the Hell, which is what I believe.
And which is what I know is real, but we are going to take
the advise of near-death experiences and then make our conclusion.
And I think you will be amazed by it. And then you also have the other side
where everybody goes to Heaven!
All paths lead to Heaven! Is that really the case?
And that is the question that I want to address today, but the first
near-death experience and these are people who have basically died,
or almost died, or left their body
during surgery, or walked down a tunnel, or saw Heaven, or saw Hell.
Something happened to these people, when they came back,
they had an amazing story and there are a lot of links that can be seen.
So anyway, the first story that I want to just read to you,
again I am going to read it straight from this book, is this Kimberly Clark story and it is about...
...she was one of the workers in the hospital
but it is about the girl, Maria. And I am just going to read it to you straight from here,
but it is pretty cool.
Okay, “Maria had never been to Seattle
America was everything she had imagined and more
although the rain never stopped that crazy flying saucer looking building
epitomized America's excess en la
parte superior, however this visit was only brief
respite from the audacious
picking season, like most other migrant workers she sent her hard-earned wages home.
She came to this country for work and
flash suddenly, swishing pain, shortness of breath and darkness
had filled her heart. Sirens and traffic
and blinding lights were heard overhead a very skinny nurse
said she had a heart attack. She had been admitted to the Harborview
Hospital's Coronary Care Unit. While lying in the metal frame
bed - everything seemed white-clean, a bleach
aroma prevailed. Surely, she would be up against soon,
it came again like a cannon-shot - the pain in her chest exploded
once more. And there she went
up and out of her body...” Now, she was having
a cardiac arrest and here she is, all of a sudden, leaving her body.
“...Really, out! She was out of her body! Looking down,
she saw panicked staff rush to her bedside
amidst the clamor of squawking alarms.
everything was realer than real - hyper real,
high-definition, holographic, multidimensional.
She was floating,
as the traffic was screaming and equipment was buzzing and beeping,
she felt a blissful peace. She rose through the ceiling,
through the roof and looked down on the hospital. 'Floating?'
she thought, 'Now that is odd. I am floating.' On a window ledge,
she saw a single tattered blue tennis shoes
sitting on its frayed lace. She wondered,
'How did it get way up here on the third floor?' It had a hole
in the pinky toe. All of a sudden, she shot back into her body
and felt an icy hot pain as she looked up and saw the doctor holding
the defibrillator paddles...” So now, what has happened so far,
is she went in for, I believe,
a heart attack or cardiac arrest,
but she had this and then
she left her body, this happened two cases as far as for her cardiac arrest,
and she went up to the third floor of the building
and on the third floor she saw the shoe with a shoe lace.
And set a certain way - it was you know
well - it was sitting a certain way. Now, Kimberly Clark who is the nurse,
“...was working as a social worker at Harborview Hospital
when the unconscious cardiac arrest patient, Maria,
was admitted she had arrested again
in the hospital, flat lining for a minute or two,
but was resuscitated within the three minute window.
As part of her customary follow-up, Clark visited her
the same day whereupon Maria related
her out of body experience floating above the hospital.
In addition to describing Maria's perspective looking down on her body
and then rising through the building, Clark reported,
Maria proceeded to describe being further distracted by an object
on the third floor ledge at the north end of the building.
She thought her way up there and found herself
eyeball to shoelace with the tennis shoe, which she asked me to find for her.
Anxiously, to prove that she was not crazy,
Maria desperately wanted the social worker to find
the shoe.” Now, it goes on to say that basically
she goes up - Kimberly Clark - and she goes up to the third floor and she finds
this shoe with the shoelace with the hole in the pinky toe
just as Maria had described. And there is no way
that Maria would have known that, unless
she had a near-death experience or that out of body experience
and this is what we see happening with Maria. That is,
100 percent concrete evidence
of someone leaving their body and coming back. Now, I want to read you one short one
and this is another story about Howard Storm and let me read you his is really short.
“Storm was on a teaching trip to Paris when he was
suddenly overwhelmed by excruciating pain
and put into an ambulance and rushed to a nearby hospital.
For a short while he was dead.
As an Atheist, Storm,
expected oblivion at death -
to his astonishment he was suddenly out his body,
looking down at the hospital room...” Now, keep in mind he is an Atheist,
so his preconceived beliefs are not driving this,
because if it was his preconceived beliefs,
he surely would not have been out of his body as an Atheist, okay.
“...Then rather than going towards the light
he was forcibly dragged down to a horrific
place of darkness where monstrous evil
entities tortured him in revolting ways...”
That kind of sounds like the Hell of the Bible. He was dragged down to the pits of Hell,
but it goes on, “...later rescued and transported to Heaven,
he encountered angels and the Creator God
of the Bible. He described a life review
and an interesting conversation
with God. Storm was sent back with a new mission
to proclaim the Gospel and today he is a pastor
of the Christian religion.” So you have
one near-death experience with Maria going
up being able to see the shoe, okay now, keep in mind Maria was fully conscious -
she was able to describe a shoe,
okay, while her body was down below.
Okay, most people think, “Your brain is thinking.” Yes, your brain is thinking,
but even when you are unattached to your brain,
you still have a conscious mind - I want you to note that.
So, that is one key thing and another thing
that we are noticing with Howard Storm is that he too
was an Atheist and preconceived ideas of what happens
to these near-death experiences did not exist with him.
He was physically dragged to a place of
torment and the Bible describes that place of torment
as Hell. And I am going to read a couple scriptures in a moment.
Now, there is another story and I am going to just try to,
because it is a little long, but I am just going to
sum it up for you. But it is the Pam Reynolds story.
No, I will read it - it is not that long.
So, one more story and then we will stop with the stories but, “...Reynolds endured
an exotic surgical procedure called 'Operation Standstill,'
to remove a life-threatening aneurysm on her brain stem.
The procedure entails: stopping the heart, and the blood is drained from
the brain to allow the aneurysm to be
removed, even more the body temperature is lowered to sixty degrees
while fully anesthetized or with anesthetics
with sound admitting earplugs to verify
flat brain wave activity on the EEG (Electroencephalography)....”
So basically, she was put under by an anesthesiologist
sorry if I messed it up earlier, but she was put under by an anesthesiologist. And
they were working on her brain
and the heart and she was getting this aneurysm removed.
Well, the story goes on to say that basically she has the near-death experience.
And she floats above her body and she is able to describe
all the tools and the conversations that the doctor had while she was
“under.” And it (her description) was to 100 percent details,
so much so, that the doctors themselves were just
utterly stunned and many of them converted
to Christianity. And the thing is,
she too was out of her body, which means
her conscience was working even though the brain
was “on the table” if you will. So that is another thing that I wanted you to know.
Now, Doctor Jeffrey Long, who is
a radiation oncologist and he actually
founded and you can google this, the Near-death Experience Research Foundation (NDERF).
It is called N-D-E-R-F,
that is acronym or the short form of it.
Okay, and he lists twelve elements common
to most near-death experiences.
And he is going to list those twelve, now he surveyed 1300
different near-death experiences and that is a lot!
You know, obviously someone is trying to get the message out!
God, in my opinion and you are going to see that also, is trying to get
the message out to the world -
that He is real, the supernatural world exist
and this is exactly what we are seeing. So, I am going to share with you a list of
twelve things that doctor Jeffrey Long
found in his research. 1) They all had an out of body experience.
Meaning they all left their body and their body was left behind.
2) Separation of consciousness from the body.
Their conscience was separated from their brain. Okay.
3) Intense positive emotions or feelings.
4) Passing into a tunnel.
5) Encountering a mystical or brilliant bright light.
And on some cases,
they passed into darkness and were dragged into
a place of torment,
like we heard in... the prior story who was Howard...
Sorry, I am 'blanking on' (forgetting) his name,
Howard Storm, like Howard Storm's case.
Okay and then,
6) Encountering other beings.
Either mystical beings and/or
dead relatives and dead friends and
dead acquaintances, something to that effect. So these people are seeing
other people who have died.
7) A sense of alteration of time and space.
8) Life review.
And that is, a lot of them say that they see their whole life
pass before their eyes and the crazy thing is
that is exactly what the Bible tells us and there is a scripture
on that, where our life is replayed in front of eyes and the Bible is clear (1 Corinthians 3:13),
that we will have to give an account of our lives, if you will (2 Corinthians 5:10).
That is just straight out of what God says
9) Encountering unworldly heavenly realms or dark realms
if you will. You have your heavenly realm and then you have your Hell.
10) Encountering or learning special knowledge.
Meaning the reason they were sent (to Earth) or sometimes they have a mission
when they come back, obviously, to proclaim the Gospel as a lot have said.
But they learned things about the afterlife and
11) Encountering a boundary or barrier and
12) The individual is returned to the body whether it was voluntarily
done or involuntarily done.
Now, these are the things that had been found
in common in a lot of these cases,
and they 'go hand in hand' (are consistent) with what the Bible says,
as far as these experiences are concerned.
And sometimes they are sent back to their bodies to proclaim the gospel, or sometimes
they do not want to come back
but they come back so they can share. But there are all kinds of stories and
we need to remember from a Christian perspective
that there is a Heaven and there is a Hell
and these (testimonies) are 'straight up' (precise)
examples of that.
These are 100 percent evidence that Heaven and Hell are real and what the Bible is saying
is real. None of these talked about reincarnation,
none of these just died and nothing happened like what the atheists believe.
All of these did not experience good things when they left - you know some went to a
great place and
some went to a bad place. Okay, so that means
some people go to Hell, so it debunks all three
of the other theories out there. And there is only one left,
and that is the Bible,
and the information that we have
from the Lord that tells us Heaven and Hell exists.
Now, two other stories that I want to bring up really quickly are
Bill Wiese. If you guys have not read his book I believe it is 30
minutes in Hell or 15 minutes in Hell,
“23 minutes in Hell,” I believe. It is a frightening encounter
of a man who dies and goes to Hell
and I highly suggest that you read it. You know just
so that you know that Hell is real and Hell does exist
and there is such a huge (group),
you know, of Christian out there. There is such a huge group of people now claiming
that Hell is not real. Well they are wrong! [Chuckles]
And the NDEs, those near-death experiences - not only does the Bible talk
about Hell - but the near-death experiences are
proving without a shadow of a doubt that Hell exist.
Read the book by Bill Wiese if you do not believe in Hell or even if you do
it is an awesome book. And obviously, most recently everybody is probably familiar
with the book,
“Heaven is for Real,” where a three year old and I believe he was three,
do not quote me, but I have read the book and he dies
and he goes to Heaven and he recounts his grandfather, he recounts
being with Jesus as a three year old!
Okay, there is no way that a kid
that young can have recollection of that
nature. So, based on the three accounts you have heard today, based on Bill Wiese,
based on “Heaven is for Real,”
we know there is a Heaven and there is a Hell. So here is just a couple scriptures
that I want to close with and it is Romans 2:6-8,
“...He will render to each one according to his works:
to those who by patience and well-doing seek for glory and
honor and immortality. He will give eternal life;
but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth,
but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath
and fury.” That talks about, in a roundabout way, a Heaven
and it talks about a Hell. Okay, here is another one - Hebrews 9:27,
“And just as it is appointed for man to die once,
and after that comes judgment,”
when we have that life replay (or review)
of our whole entire life, run before our eyes.
That is that “judgment,” that is coming or, you know,
that is eventually going to happen. Matthew 25:41,
“Then He will say to those on His left,
'Depart from me, you cursed, into the
eternal fire...'” That sounds like torture.
“'...prepared for the devil and his angels.'” That is a direct reference
to Hell. Here is another one,
John 14:2, “In my Father's house are many mansions.
If it were not so, would I have told you
that I go to prepare a place for you?” Where is Jesus preparing a place for us?
That is in Heaven, that is in Heaven. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18,
“But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers,
about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve
as others do who have no hope.
For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
even so, through Jesus Christ, God will bring with Him
those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord,
that we who are alive, who are left until the coming
of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from Heaven with a cry
of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive,
who are left, will be caught up together with them in the
clouds to meet the Lord
in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.” Now that is a reference to the rapture,
if He pulls us up, then we have to be going somewhere.
We are not going to be sitting on air - we are going somewhere
and that is a heavenly place.
Matthew 25:46, “And these will go away into eternal punishment,
but the righteous into eternal life.”
Now that is just amazing,
there are so many scriptures about Heaven and Hell
and I just suggest,
you know, going over some of them but all this to say,
that there is evidence for what happens when we die.
And whether you want to accept that, that evidence is real
or you want to push it under the rug and ignore it - is up to you.
But not only do we have the Bible for our evidence screaming
to us the truth, because everything else
has been disproved by the near-death experiences, all the other
things already disproved it.
But the Bible remains true,
and we need to keep that in mind. And the Bible
has and always will be the truth.
It is the solid word of God.
Will you listen to Him today? Will you listen to that call on your life?
Take the people who have experienced this as word for it,
and understand that the supernatural world is real!
Oftentimes, in other countries
across the globe, they experience miracles, and casting out of demons and deliverances
and all kinds of these wonderful works that God says that we will see.
But we in America have a scientific naturalistic worldview,
so it is hard sometimes for us to break through that
boundary line and to understand,
“Yes, there is a spiritual realm!” And I just want to encourage you
today to break through that boundary and understand that spiritual battle does
exist and understand that Heaven
and Hell, God, Jesus and the Bible are
for real! With that, this is Lisa Haven signing off.
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