and hot dogs, and you read the labels, often the first ingredient will be soy isolate or

isolated soy protein, that is not a whole soy food. They have taken soy and they've

broken it down and take certain constituents out of it. With whole soy foods, there are

cultures especially in east Asia, that have eaten these for thousands of years, and the

epidemiological evidence from those cultures is very strong and very encouraging about

the health protective qualities of soy. We have nothing comparable for these new technologically

manipulated products nor do we have it for soy supplements that you find in health food

stores or functional foods that have soy isoflavones added to them supposedly to make them healthier,

we really know nothing about the long-term benefits or risks of that. But I think when

you're looking at these whole soy foods, which people have eaten for thousands of years on

a regular basis, there are clear correlations with low rates of hormonally driven cancers.