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  • Translator: Leonardo Silva Reviewer: Mile Živković

  • I'm going to talk to you today about something every one of us does.

  • We categorize everything that crosses our path, including people,

  • and sometimes we do this in not a very flattering way.

  • My favorite quote about categorizing people

  • comes from the comedian George Carlin.

  • He said there are three kinds of people:

  • those who can count and those who cannot.

  • (Laughter)

  • I'm glad you got that.

  • (Laughter)

  • Well, I want to talk about a positive way of categorizing people.

  • It's called personality type,

  • and it's based on something called the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator,

  • or MBTI Assessment.

  • I'm just going to be able to give you a little bit of that framework.

  • There's a lot more to it than I'm going to get to today.

  • So, what this is about is it's about how you prefer to gain energy,

  • gather information, make decisions and live your life.

  • Now, this word "preference" is a really important thing in this system.

  • So I just want to do a quick demonstration of what preference happens to be.

  • So, let's say you're really skeptical about personality type

  • and you cross your arms and maybe you even tap your foot.

  • Just try that with me, if you would, okay?

  • Now, you probably didn't even think, "Which arm do I put on top?"

  • You have a natural preference for how you cross your arms.

  • So, try crossing them in the other way.

  • You can do it, easily. It doesn't feel quite as natural.

  • And we're going to be talking about personality preferences

  • within ourselves,

  • and they're really natural habits, natural mental habits that you have,

  • for the ways you might like to think, or do, or act.

  • Now, I think it's helpful to know about personality type for two reasons.

  • One is, it can help you understand

  • that that other person is not really trying to drive you crazy on purpose.

  • They just see the world in a different way than you do.

  • And the second reason is it can help you understand more about yourself,

  • about things that come more easily for you,

  • things that might take a little bit more time,

  • that might be a little bit more difficult,

  • so that you can forgive yourself when you're not perfect.

  • But that doesn't excuse yourself from trying.

  • So, let's start in on this framework.

  • When I was growing up,

  • I thought family togetherness was everyone in the same room reading a book.

  • I'm an extrovert, I grew up in a family of introverts.

  • My mother thought that my siblings needed to go to nursery school

  • and I didn't.

  • It probably should have been reverse.

  • They needed their quiet time and I would have had fun with those other kids.

  • I can assure you we're all just fine today.

  • (Chuckling)

  • So, this is the first what we call preference pair,

  • and it has to do with where we direct and receive our energy.

  • There's an extroverted way and an introverted way.

  • Now, these are not social skills.

  • You can have people who prefer extroversion

  • and people who prefer introversion who are shy.

  • This is about energy.

  • So, extroverts want their energy to go out

  • and, when it goes out, they're with people, they're doing things,

  • it comes bouncing back to them.

  • And introverts want their energy to go in.

  • By looking at ideas, impressions, facts inside their head,

  • they create more energy.

  • Now, I need to do a quick aside on this idea of preference pairs.

  • We believe that you have both within you.

  • It's just that you prefer one over the other.

  • It really does not guarantee just because you prefer something

  • that you're good at it.

  • You might need to develop skills with it and, while you're at it,

  • develop skills with the other preference.

  • That's going to be helpful

  • because there are times when you need to flex and act in a different way.

  • If you just do everything according to your preferences,

  • it's not going to always work.

  • So, when we look at extroversion and introversion

  • and how it appears in meetings, it's kind of interesting.

  • So, extroverts in a meeting are more likely to be talking their ideas out.

  • If I bring it out, it becomes real,

  • and I may start over here and end up over here,

  • because I've made it real as I'm talking it out.

  • Now, the introvert listening to that extrovert may be thinking,

  • "If they just shut up, we would get somewhere."

  • Well, they don't understand extroversion is about bringing it out.

  • So, our introverts are taking things in during that meeting,

  • they're mulling it through,

  • and our extrovert looking at them is probably going,

  • "Are they awake? Are they listening to me?"

  • And we assume that they are because they're working it out inside.

  • Silences for extroverts are space to be filled.

  • Silences for introverts are space to be cherished.

  • When we think about interruptions,

  • there's also a different way that people may look at that.

  • Interruptions for extroverts actually may be compliments:

  • "Gee, someone's listened to what I've said!

  • They want to jump right in, you know, build on my idea."

  • It's a compliment.

  • But, for an introvert, that same interruption may be rude:

  • "I've thought about it inside,

  • I'm bringing up my ideas, you're interrupting me.

  • I need to stop and think, 'Is that new information or is it a pure dribble?,'

  • and then I'm going to continue with my talk."

  • Introverts, by the way, once they know people and topics well,

  • will act like extroverts because they've done their inside work.

  • We say that, if you want to know what an extrovert is thinking,

  • you haven't been listening.

  • If you want to know what an introvert is thinking,

  • you haven't asked.

  • So, now I want to go on to the next one,

  • which is how we gather data

  • and the kind of information we like and trust.

  • The preference pairs here are sensing and intuition.

  • Now, I happen to prefer sensing.

  • I like things to be practical, actual, real.

  • I just really want to get down to the here and now of what's going on.

  • Now, by contrast,

  • intuitive types like possibilities, meanings, the big picture,

  • and I want to show you a picture that gets at some of these differences.

  • So, if we look at this particular picture with a sensing lens,

  • we may see pillars, trees, yellow flowers,

  • there's an umbrella in there, and so forth.

  • If we look at this picture from an intuitive point of view,

  • we might see an ancient lost civilization,

  • where the wild things are, or a ballet of dancing trees.

  • Now, we both looked at the same picture.

  • So, I use this in a community leadership program

  • and we get people into sensing groups and intuitive groups

  • and have them look at this picture and talk about it.

  • We had a civil engineer once who pointed over to -

  • he was in the sensing group -

  • he pointed to the intuitive group and he said,

  • "Hum, I always thought they were liars.

  • I would go to a community meeting and present my facts.

  • I would see them a couple of days later

  • and they said I said things I know I didn't say.

  • Our memories are just fine.

  • So, now I know I need to sit down with them

  • and find out how they got from my facts to what they're interpreting."

  • So, it's very important, you can miss one another.

  • You're seeing the same picture, but you're seeing different things.

  • If we look at well-known figures,

  • we can also start to think about what lens do they see the world with.

  • So, let's take Thomas Edison.

  • He's the guy who invented the light bulb, remember,

  • by putting all those little filaments in

  • and keeping checking hundreds of them, probably.

  • He's been known to have said, "[Genius] is 99% perspiration."

  • He probably saw the world through a sensing lens.

  • Now, if we look at Albert Einstein, with his theory of relativity,

  • he said, "Not all that counts can be counted."

  • He probably sees the world through an intuitive lens.

  • Now, once you have information in, you need to figure out what to do with it,

  • and that leads us to the third preference pair:

  • thinking and feeling.

  • Now, I know that I'm a thinking type.

  • I look at the world in a logical way.

  • People come to me with a problem,

  • I want to get to the bottom line and help them solve it now.

  • But I realized there are some people, when they come to me

  • they just want me to stop and listen and support them.

  • Well, I learned that I need to sort of step back and ask people,

  • at least I remember that some of the time,

  • "Do you want me just to listen,

  • or do you want me to help solve the problem?,"

  • because then I don't get so annoyed if they don't take my advice.

  • So, in this decision-making system,

  • thinking types step back from the decision.

  • They look at the data that they have, the information that they have,

  • in an objective way.

  • They look at the pros, they look at the cons,

  • they make their decision.

  • But feeling types step into the decision.

  • They become aware of, "How is this going to impact people?

  • How does this fit with my value system?,"

  • and they're looking for harmony with their value system.

  • Now you probably already figured out here

  • that feeling does not mean making decisions based on emotions.

  • There is a structured way of using the values and the harmony.

  • So, if we think about the definition of being fair,

  • we may see some different things.

  • For thinking types,

  • being fair means treating everyone according to the same standards,

  • or treating people equally.

  • For feeling types,

  • being fair means treating everyone according to what they need;

  • individuals are different, they need different things.

  • Now, I want to do another little experiment with you

  • that I sometimes do with my training groups

  • and let's say you're working on a project.

  • This hand represents completing the project.

  • This hand represents I'm starting, I'm part-way through and I'm done.

  • So, I typically ask thinking types,

  • "Tell me when you want someone

  • to give you some appreciation or recognition

  • for your work on that project."

  • And my hand will move along

  • and finally, when I get to the end, they've finished the project,

  • they will say, "Now."

  • And I'll ask them, "So, what happens

  • if someone gives you some recognition earlier in that work?"

  • And they say, "Well, I'm a little worried. I think I'm working for an idiot.

  • They have no sense of standards and what is good work."

  • Now, I ask feeling types the same thing,

  • "When do you want recognition on that project?,"

  • and they call out, "Now, now, now, now, now."

  • (Laughter)

  • All the way through.

  • "So, what does that look like?"

  • I'm a thinking type, I'm waiting till I'm done.

  • They say like, "Well, it can be things like, 'Good start!,'

  • or, 'Gee, you had some great ideas here.'"

  • And then, I ask the feeling types, "So, what happens

  • if someone gives you some recognition - if they wait until the end?"

  • And they say, "Well, I think that they don't care,

  • and if they don't care about me, they don't care about my work,

  • and it affects my morale."

  • Now, both thinking types and feeling types can come to the exact same conclusions.

  • They just do it in different ways.

  • And it's really helpful for thinking types to remember to always ask,

  • "How would this logically impact people?,"

  • and for feeling types to always ask, "What's the most important thing here?"

  • But we need to move on.

  • Our last one has to do with how we like to go about living our lives.

  • And our words are "judging" and "perceiving" in this preference pair,

  • and "judging" here doesn't mean "judgmental."

  • But what judging types like to do is organize things,

  • make decisions, get on with it,

  • and perceiving types like to kind of go with the flow

  • and be spontaneous and continue gathering information.

  • So, I'll admit, I'm a judging type, I love to make lists,

  • I love to check off things from the list

  • and I've even been known to put things on the list I've already done

  • for the sheer joy of checking them off.

  • (Laughter)

  • True confessions. Okay.

  • Now, I happen to live with a man who prefers perceiving.

  • He thinks I'm nuts.

  • His life is about options, it's about going with the flow.

  • So, you can imagine what happens when we go to a Chinese restaurant:

  • I'm making my decisions -

  • you know, judging is about, "Let's make a decision and get on with it" -

  • And he's looking over the menu, looking at what other people have,

  • trying to decide what he's going to have, that's perhaps new and different,

  • and I'm getting hungry.

  • But, for perceiving types, it's no decision before its time.

  • So, judging types will often use words that end in "ed":

  • "I've finished that," "I've completed that,"

  • I've decided that,"

  • and perceiving types will often talk in "ing" words:

  • "I'm finishing that," "I'm completing that,"

  • "I'm deciding that."

  • So, if we look at what's a plan, judging types will often say,

  • "A plan is a systematic way of achieving an objective,"

  • and perceiving types will say,

  • "Plans, they're options."

  • Now, I also have a little activity that I like to do with people,

  • and that's I'll ask people to think about the next free day,

  • the next day they have off, okay?

  • And I typically have judging types start out

  • and I want to know how many plans they have for that day off.

  • So, I start giving them numbers

  • and, as we get to the higher and higher numbers,

  • the judging types look prouder and prouder.

  • They just love it.

  • Now, when I do the same thing for the perceiving types,

  • they've raised their hands

  • and I can see they get more and more embarrassed as the number gets higher

  • and they'll often call out, "But they're not my plans.

  • Someone came up with them for me."

  • So, both can have lovely days off

  • and, in fact, sometimes I'll have judging plans,

  • people coming to me and saying, "You know, I must be a perceiving type

  • because on my next day off I plan to do nothing."

  • You heard the word "plan."

  • (Laughter)

  • So, this is about how you live your life.

  • All of these come together in a magical way.

  • So, we've got four preference pairs.

  • We've got how you gain energy - extroversion, introversion -,

  • how you gather information - sensing, intuition -,

  • how you make decisions - thinking or feeling -,

  • and how you live your life - judging or perceiving.

  • So, there are 16 possible unique types within this.

  • Now, we use a shorthand for this. You probably have already figured it out.

  • The only trick is we have to use an "N" for "intuition"

  • because we've already used the "I" up for "introversion."

  • Now, of these types,

  • when they come together in that unique chemical reaction,

  • we say the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

  • Now, my particular type happens to be ESTJ:

  • I'm extroverted, sensing, thinking and judging.

  • So, you've heard a lot about my type.

  • I'm also really responsible: you give me something to do

  • and I will follow through to completion.

  • That's how I got into the Myers-Briggs in the first place.

  • I walked into my manager's office one day and he said,

  • "Jean, everybody in this office is going to become an expert in something.

  • Yours is going to be the Myers-Briggs."

  • "Yes, sir" - I said.

  • So, I get to live out my type.

  • I get to write practical materials for people.

  • I get to train people in how to interpret this instrument.

  • I get to use who I am.

  • But I want to tell you a story about somebody

  • who didn't get to use who she was.

  • I mentioned I do some training programs and, as part of that training,

  • I would typically find somebody in the training class

  • who wasn't quite so sure of her type,

  • but was reasonably verbal and seemed to have her act together.

  • So, this was in Dallas, Texas, a long time ago,

  • and we were going through this interpretation in a very pleasant way,

  • everything was going really well.

  • And, all of a sudden, we got near the end and this woman said,

  • "I stopped using my 'F' and 'J' two years ago."

  • Now, for those of you who don't remember, "F" stands for "feeling,"

  • making your decisions based on harmony with your value system,

  • and "J" stands for "judging," making a decision and getting on with it.

  • So, I did my good psychologist nod, my good psychologist pause,

  • and the brilliant statement, "Tell me more -

  • (Laughter)

  • Context does everything here."

  • So, she said, "Well, you need to understand

  • that my faith is really important to me.

  • I belong to an evangelical church.

  • I work for that church, I believe in its teachings,

  • but my husband came out as gay two years ago.

  • We have children together.

  • He is a good man, but my church says this is wrong."

  • Her values had been clashing.

  • She was stuck, she didn't know what to do.

  • But, suddenly, with personality type,

  • she had a framework to understand what was happening to her

  • and, right then and there, she started moving on.

  • Well, little did I know that, about 20 years later,

  • the same thing would happen to me.

  • My husband came out as gay.

  • It was tough,

  • but I'm an ESTJ.

  • I need to move on, I need to just do it.

  • So, with the help of wonderful friends and a great family,

  • who gave me love and support and advice,

  • I was able to move on.

  • As the writer Garrison Keillor says,

  • "When bad things happen to writers, it's all just material."

  • And I'd like to add, as a psychologist, when bad things happen to psychologists,

  • it's all just a way of building empathy.

  • So, personality type has been enourmously helpful to me

  • in understanding myself and others,

  • so that I can be more respectful of both of us,

  • but I remember that it's just preferences.

  • I can act other ways when I need to.

  • So, I'm going to ask that you help me demonstrate preferences

  • for one last time.

  • And that is I want you to clap your hands and just freeze them, if you would.

  • So, clap and freeze. Okay.

  • Now, you probably didn't even notice that you have a way of clapping,

  • you have a preference for that.

  • So, I want you to practice, as loud as you can, the other way.

  • It's a cheap way to get applause. Thank you.

  • (Laughter) (Applause)

Translator: Leonardo Silva Reviewer: Mile Živković

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