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  • - [Male] Gary Vaynerchuk, come on, G.

  • We're gonna give you a round of applause.

  • (group applauds)

  • - Hey, I sent you those videos.

  • - Casey, slide over a little bit.

  • We're gonna make this nice and intimate for you guys.

  • The biggest thing, like everything we've ever done here,

  • everything I've been a part of with these guys

  • is a two way conversation.

  • So if you've got questions, raise your hand.

  • We'll dedicate a portion at the end to take your questions

  • but I think you're gonna be stimulated in a lot of ways.

  • Now for Gary,

  • I'm gonna give him a brief intro

  • but you're gonna do it as well.

  • First and foremost, self-made.

  • Just like a lot of you guys as athletes,

  • that lonely work when it's just you in the backyard

  • busting your ass,

  • this is what he's done his whole life.

  • Guy from former Soviet Union, an immigrant,

  • came to the east coast and he's been busting

  • his tail ever since.

  • He took a family business from 3 million to 60 million

  • like that.

  • Busted his tail,

  • then created his own entrepreneurship company around media

  • which is what everyone of you do every time

  • you turn your phone on and it is a global company.

  • He's doing multiple things in the sports world,

  • entertainment world, storytelling world,

  • but most importantly the thing I love most about you, bro,

  • is that you wanna give and that's what tonight is.

  • It's about giving you guys every tool that we possibly

  • can think of over the next hour.

  • So, first and foremost, Gary,

  • I wanna know your mindset at a youngster.

  • When you were a teenager, when you were 17, 18, 19,

  • like some of these young kids here before they got to campus

  • when you were like, okay,

  • I'm gonna go compete and I'm gonna create something

  • I'm gonna own.

  • - Mine goes back, first of all, thank you for having me.

  • Mine goes back a little bit further.

  • So I was born in Russia.

  • I came to the US.

  • I couldn't speak English,

  • went outside one day when we moved to Edison, New Jersey,

  • bunch of kids throwing around a Nerf football

  • and literally I learned how to speak English

  • by watching the New York Jets play football.

  • So like it's fun for me to be here and like somewhere

  • around third or fourth grade,

  • after falling in love with the sport,

  • Unlike everybody in this room,

  • somewhere around third or fourth grade I realized

  • that I was more likely to buy the Jets than to play for them

  • and so really by the time I was in,

  • like if you go open up my fifth grade yearbook,

  • everybody's like occupation and I don't know why in the 80's

  • everybody wanted to be a fuckin' architect

  • but everyone's like architect, architect, architect

  • and mine just says owner of the New York Jets.

  • (group laughs)

  • So 17 and 18 like,

  • unlike a lot of people in this room as well

  • 'cause you wouldn't have gotten here no matter how good

  • you are but I was a straight D and F student, right?

  • So education was the way out for us immigrants.

  • So it was crazy that I was so bad at school

  • but by fifth grade,

  • I was making two, $3,000 a weekend selling baseball cards.

  • I knew I was an entrepreneur from the get,

  • before it was popular and cool like it is now

  • and so at 17, 18, I was like,

  • I didn't give a fuck about girls,

  • I didn't give a fuck about school,

  • I didn't give a fuck about anything.

  • I was like, I'm gonna go fuckin' work,

  • I'm gonna put my head down for fuckin' five decades

  • and I'm gonna buy the Jets and win seven Superbowls

  • and call it a fuckin' day.

  • (group laughs)

  • - Not a bad life plan, right?

  • - But you know like,

  • you know what's fun to talk to athletes,

  • like I feel like you guys,

  • it might be different but it's the same

  • like I just didn't care about anything.

  • It was like this narrow.

  • - Well, it's interesting you say that because how many of us

  • think we're gonna play forever?

  • Right, like the hardest part,

  • at least for me as an athlete and Casey I wanna get

  • your point on it is you're so focused to be great,

  • to even get a seat in this room that you have to be

  • that dialed in on your craft.

  • Sometimes you can mix --

  • - Basically, it's tunnel vision.

  • You gotta have a certain amount of tunnel vision

  • like we all do.

  • When I was in high school,

  • I wrote down I wanted to go to the NFL,

  • literally in a class wrote it down,

  • kept it in my back pocket, in my wallet,

  • all these different places.

  • That was my tunnel vision.

  • That's all I focused on and that was the mindset,

  • you know what I mean, but to his point earlier,

  • it's like you don't,

  • it's not about just writing it down and just kind of

  • waiting for it to happen like, you know what I mean,

  • there's was a lot of hard work to go get it

  • but it kind of set me up everyday.

  • I had a mindset, I had a focus.

  • Like he said, I wasn't focused on other things other than

  • what I wrote down on that piece of paper.

  • So I think that's the key to remember.

  • It's like you gotta have a certain amount of tunnel vision

  • but at the same time you wanna understand the big picture

  • at the end of the day too.

  • The big picture at the end of the day in our sport

  • is we can't play forever and Thomas talked about it

  • a week ago about we all have an expiration date

  • when it comes to playing football but while we're in it,

  • we're locked in.

  • So that's the only difference between being an athlete

  • and kind of different occupations is that literally

  • you cannot play this forever but while you're in it,

  • you're in it.

  • So you gotta grind like there is no tomorrow.

  • - The other thing you guys have is it's the religion

  • of our society.

  • Like when you're in it, you have unlimited leverage,

  • unlimited and when you're out of it, it goes away.

  • I mean, it's unbelievable.

  • Like I have no time,

  • I can't meet anybody but I'll give you a quick little story.

  • Dexter McDougle, third round pick of the Jets from Maryland,

  • he like hit me up,

  • DM'd me on Instagram or Twitter or something

  • and I said to him,

  • I was like, look,

  • you better take this meeting soon because when you get cut,

  • because he wasn't playing well (laughs),

  • I'm not taking this meeting.

  • So like what's amazing about football,

  • and sports in general,

  • but football more than anything in America,

  • it's not only, it's crazy, when I got older I was like,

  • wait a minute, it's better to be a business man

  • than an athlete because I started meeting like 30 year olds

  • who were done, right?

  • And it's like, wow, that's crazy.

  • Your whole life you've just been like this

  • and then you're so young and you've gotta reset

  • and think about it different.

  • What's crazy and you can probably speak to this better

  • than I can,

  • it's crazy how smart this generation of athlete is.

  • They think about entrepreneurship,

  • they think about the platform,

  • they think about building their brand,

  • they think about investing.

  • It's crazy what's happen, I mean,

  • you two have a better perspective than I

  • and I've reverse engineered it backwards

  • but the advantage,

  • back to these three letters as you were framing it,

  • like the leverage of this brand is bonkers.

  • - Yeah, well think about it.

  • When I was in college,

  • the best advice I got from our fifth year quarterback

  • was get three business cards everyday after practice.

  • Right, you guys have alums that want to get to know you

  • that are doing amazing things in the universe

  • but those three business cards now are as many as you want

  • because it's the internet.

  • You guys don't know this about Gary

  • but he was one of the first investors on all the things

  • that are on your phone -

  • we're talking Twitter, we're talking SnapChat,

  • Tumblr and on and on and on,

  • his list of businesses are insane that he saw early.

  • So the goal for today when you walk outta here

  • is you think about okay,

  • how could I cultivate opportunities

  • while I'm a student athlete with those three letters

  • when I walk outta here unlike,

  • unfortunately for Casey,

  • he scores a great touchdown in the Rose Bowl

  • to win the National Championship against Michigan,

  • Twitter and Instagram don't exist!

  • His platform is way different

  • than what it coulda been if he's, where's Deonte,

  • last year scoring a touchdown in the Rose Bowl, right?

  • You've noticed, obviously, your platform has altered

  • and that is a beautiful opportunity for you guys.

  • So I'd be curious if you could give them some thoughts on --

  • - It's real simple.

  • The same way you're slipping into the DM to get something up

  • there to accomplish,

  • you need to be doing for business.

  • It's the same thing!

  • Right, you're just reverse engineering what you want.

  • You just have unlimited tools.

  • Unlimited.

  • And so like everybody here is going through their screens,

  • creeping on what they wanna do,

  • do that same practice for business because you're right.

  • It's crazy what I'll do for the Jet,

  • if Tanner, if Tanun Perder, fucking DM'd me right now,

  • the long snapper of the New York Jets,

  • I'd meet him tomorrow.

  • If the CO of a $500 million company emailed me tomorrow,

  • it'd take four months for me to meet with him.

  • That's what you have and that's crazy

  • and you can mad bank.

  • - [Male] (inaudible) But what can you tell us in this room

  • as athletes, current athletes, about our social capital

  • and being able to leverage that?

  • Like you're saying,

  • (inaudible) so like tomorrow when we walk outside

  • on this campus we're doing that because we have a year

  • and we have four years --

  • - Yeah, I mean, look, I think first of all,

  • the NCAA shit is so fucking bullshit but you gotta navigate

  • through that, right?

  • So you've gotta be careful

  • and like coming from Communist Russia,

  • fucking NCAA's scarier than that.

  • (group laughs)

  • So but the reality is that's your reality, right?

  • Like you know that that's the reality but to your point,

  • there's nothing against collecting business cards.

  • Like it's only about relationships.

  • You need to dap it up with as many people as possible.

  • Life is only about the people.

  • I made tens of millions of dollars

  • because I became friendly,

  • I thought Twitter was gonna be important

  • and I made those relationships with those founders

  • and that's what opened up everything.

  • Everybody you talk to ever, ever that's made it,

  • that really made it, it's just relationships.

  • You miss some, right?

  • You go find my first book somewhere, Crush It,

  • I thank my entire family and one random person.

  • One.

  • Travis Kalanick, founder of Uber.

  • My boy!

  • And I passed on Uber twice.

  • If I put in my normal 50,000 that I put into companies,

  • I would've made $400 million.

  • I fucked up!

  • Right?

  • I missed it but having the relationship,

  • playing checkers with him at some conference

  • was the reason I even had that at bat.

  • I fucked up but I got the at bat.

  • You right now in Los Angeles with these three letters

  • and for a lot of you,

  • you don't go to the league

  • and get another one of those at bats.

  • This is one of the closest things to having

  • that kind of leverage.

  • This is religion for a lot of people,

  • a lot of people that run shit and you're,

  • so my advice is real simple.

  • That was incredible advice by the fifth year quarterback.

  • I would meet every single person, siphon and learn.

  • They wanna see you 'cause they wanna take a selfie

  • and show their 14 year old son they know you.

  • You wanna see them because you wanna win life.

  • - I think it's,

  • you gotta have a balance to it too though

  • because let's all be honest in here.

  • You have to be able to balance the two because you guys

  • wanna do one thing which is the NFL, right?

  • Most guys' goal in here is to wanna go to the NFL

  • but like we talked about,

  • the other side of it is the business side,

  • the relationship side, the networking side, alright?

  • So how do you balance the two?

  • Well, you workout,

  • you only can work out so many hours in the day, right?

  • So it's like what are you doing on those other times?

  • Are you chilling at the house,

  • are you just on your phone looking at stuff

  • or are you out meeting people,

  • shaking hands or are you just,

  • do you want to see what everybody else

  • is doing in the world?

  • I'm victim of it too 'cause I watch a lot of his stuff

  • and especially in the morning and some of y'all know,

  • I send you all stuff in the morning time,

  • I like to have something that's gonna get me goin'

  • through the day that's gonna motivate me

  • and that's gonna set me on that right path

  • but at some point I gotta put it down, right?

  • Like I can't just be a slave to this phone all day.

  • Like I gotta actually go out and shake somebody's hand,

  • go out and talk to Yogi,

  • maybe he can introduce me to somebody or go out

  • and have lunch with this person.

  • So the other thing is is like balancing the two

  • because like I said, we workout at six o'clock,

  • six to eight maybe six to 10, if you got class,

  • maybe you come back and throw, maybe you got a study hall.

  • So you got a bunch,

  • 24 hours in the day just like everybody else.

  • Y'alls might be occupied a lot different than his

  • but at the end of the day,

  • there is a window of opportunity

  • like Baxter always talks about, right?

  • You got a window of opportunity at some point in there

  • to go do something other than watch SportsCenter or TV,

  • maybe it's having that dinner, maybe it's say, hey,

  • I'm free at 8 P.M. tonight.

  • Can we get together for dinner?

  • So I think you guys live in a generation now

  • where it's a challenge almost to kind of balance the two.

  • Like Yogi was saying, I ain't had,

  • I didn't have that problem when I was in college

  • because we didn't have cell phones and Twitter

  • and all the distraction --

  • - It's not a problem.

  • It's straight opportunity.

  • You wish you had it.

  • - Right.

  • - You have it so good.

  • Listen, your balance needs to map your ambition.

  • You don't have to do anything we're talking about here.

  • You don't.

  • The thing that I'm most fascinated about

  • is people run their mouth and then they don't back it up

  • with their actions, you know?

  • Your balance needs to be predicated on your hunger.

  • - I think it's a good point.

  • You guys are all such hustlers, right?

  • I mean, you think about the way you work

  • with Ivan downstairs and the strength staff,

  • the way you study, the way your prepare,

  • here's a self-proclaimed hustler.

  • You love that word in your world 'cause you do, right?

  • So I think it's the idea of I have all these tools

  • as a student athlete, as a football player

  • 'cause we see them play out every Saturday.

  • We see them play out everyday in practice.

  • How do they play out in the other side of your hustle?

  • How do they plan out what you're interested in?

  • I mean, Sam, we just talked earlier

  • about you love Christopher Nolan, the director.

  • There's an element of that of okay, cool,

  • you can build your story that we all have around elements

  • that you're interested in.

  • I'm curious, Gary, of your thoughts on how these guys

  • can shape their interests into their daily reality

  • which is the voice that they have on this simple phone.

  • - I mean if Sam texts or DM's anybody, they're replying.

  • Like it's just the opportunity.

  • I don't know, like for me it's real simple.

  • Like I think about things at a macro.

  • There's 7.7 billion people.

  • When I look at these men's faces right now.

  • I'm like they're fucking way up there in the ranking.

  • I wish there was a world ranking of every person

  • and I wish you could see where you sit right this second.

  • It would blow your fucking face off.

  • It would!

  • It would blow your fucking face off on how good

  • your life actually is.

  • It would be humbling.

  • You'd get real hungry.

  • You'd realize how real lucky you are and so, I don't know,

  • I just can't imagine Sam not having any single person reply,

  • whoever.

  • Like just, that's just unbelievable, that's special.

  • Now, everybody's got their own personalities.

  • I don't Sam, I don't know anybody here.

  • You might be introverted, you might be quiet,

  • you might be focused on this.

  • You might be having family issues.

  • You don't have that energy for that.

  • There's a million things going on in everybody's dome

  • right now but it doesn't take away the fact

  • that this is actually what's happening

  • to your life right now and you can speak to this,

  • you both can speak to this.

  • That window closes real quick.

  • That's it.

  • That's just the truth.

  • - You guys both dive into the idea

  • of self-awareness a lot, right?

  • We know how we feel when we wake up.

  • You guys check in with your strength trainer.

  • Okay, this is what I'm feeling.

  • This is what my body's saying.

  • I think the same thing can be said for your social

  • and how you craft the message that you want to be shared

  • 'cause it gets picked up by guys like me

  • when I'm gonna call your game,

  • it gets picked up by people like him.

  • Obviously it gets checked by your coaches.

  • Curious when you've seen messages kind of bounce

  • all over the place or ones that have stayed consistent

  • because it's not as though

  • you become a rockstar over night, right?

  • Sometimes people think that happened.

  • People think that happened with his career.

  • Clearly not the truth when you busted your ass for so long.

  • Same thing with Casey.

  • All of a sudden you make a catch in the Rose Bowl

  • and the whole country knows you.

  • - Yeah, remember that night?

  • - But you've been doing it for four years

  • when you're on campus.

  • Curious your guys' point of view on shaping their story

  • on their respective social media platforms

  • versus doing what people want them to do

  • on their social media platforms.

  • - I mean, I think the key is is to --

  • - You're trying to think about being a coach right now.

  • - I know, right?

  • (speakers laugh)

  • - I always think it goes back

  • to being the truest form of you.

  • The first thought you have is your truest thought.

  • - I should, listen, everybody sees everything.

  • Like everything that's going on is happening, right?

  • Like as you know, probably both of you know,

  • like two years ago I bought a sports agency

  • and we recruited a class last year so I've gotten

  • into this game that you guys now know.

  • So the first year it was like, started recruiting, right?

  • Like just looking people's names up.

  • It's crazy what kids do like leaving comments,

  • the way they treat girls on Instagram.

  • Everybody sees everything.

  • People are acting like it's not real and so,

  • and you can also tell when somebody,

  • like everybody knows,

  • everybody's social is like the PR'd version

  • of themselves, right?

  • Like we even have people now make pretend

  • they're taking private flights, right?

  • Like there's all sorts of shit going on

  • so there's cynicism on is it real, is it not,

  • what's it up to?

  • What I would say is a couple things.

  • It's not about overthinking like I'm a media company.

  • How do I do this right?

  • I think once you start overthinking shit,

  • it's probably like the way you think about sports, right?

  • Like when you start overthinking, you get slow,

  • and then you're in trouble, right?

  • So overthinking is disastrous too in the way

  • you build your image and stuff like that.

  • You just need to,

  • basically what worked for me was 10 years ago I saw Twitter,

  • I'm like, fuck, this is gonna be the next thing

  • and it started the kind of transformation

  • to the mobile device and social media

  • and I remembered thinking,

  • 10 years ago, I'm like fuck,

  • everything I do is on the record.

  • Like there's no hiding anymore, right?

  • Forget about you posting shit.

  • What about when you're out, everybody's got a fucking,

  • this is 24/7 so I think the best thing is to just

  • let it go.

  • Be you but also, at the same time, know all eyes are on it.

  • - Yeah, so I think it's like

  • there's no private moment anymore

  • and really with that being said is like

  • just understanding that,

  • having that mentality and not saying that you gotta be quiet

  • as a church mouse and walking around

  • with your button all the way up and whatever

  • but at the end of the day,

  • you are being watched and followed

  • and when we're talking about branding,

  • we're talking about the USC brand,

  • we're talking about Nike as a brand,

  • we're talking about you as a brand.

  • It is gonna be scrutinized to a certain extent

  • by others good or bad and you wanna be in control of it.

  • So when you press send and when you put something out,

  • it's having that mentality that, okay,

  • what is the person on the other side,

  • and although you might not mean for it

  • to mean a certain thing,

  • perception is not always reality so that's the good

  • and the bad side of it.

  • - I think most people, Case, take the defense on this

  • or the flip side.

  • Anybody here love fishing?

  • Great.

  • Fucking post that shit 'cause the day you become eligible,

  • somebody's gonna,

  • you're gonna be in a position to get 50K from fucking,

  • I don't know,

  • some fucking fishing line fucking company, right?

  • So like to me it's like you gotta speak your truth.

  • Like you love Cheerios?

  • Post that shit.

  • Doesn't mean dick now but when you go to the league,

  • it might and so like painting your truth,

  • you know everyone's like oh,

  • don't post something like that's gonna get you

  • put on blast, fine.

  • You don't wanna be LaBar Bell like getting blown up

  • like that I get it like all that but there's the flip side

  • which is the offense of it and so like,

  • you should be thinking about that.

  • You don't have to.

  • If you don't wanna do what I just said, cool.

  • Like if you love every precious picture on your Instagram

  • and it's, that's fine, but you're leaving opportunity

  • on the table.

  • - I think it's (inaudible),

  • like every Friday night when I'm broadcasting

  • one of your games, I take five guys on both sides

  • of the ball and I just take a deep dive on your social media

  • and I can usually predict your performance.

  • Like if it's a random one word about a girl,

  • I'm like oh man, curious how focused this guy is.

  • What happened on Thursday night on campus?

  • If it's totally dialed in, I mean,

  • you can kind of start to tell and even if I'm wrong,

  • it shapes a story that I'm gonna tell on Saturday

  • when we go on air and I've always found it really fun

  • because I'll go through and I'll be like,

  • I can't believe he just wrote that.

  • Like are you serious?

  • I'll send that to a couple of my co-workers.

  • I can't believe he just wrote that.

  • What I want you to dive in, Gary,

  • next is you talk about how your dad taught you

  • about the power of your word.

  • I think it's a radical story because you all have that power

  • and I think you'll be able to assimilate his story

  • to your own lives.

  • - I didn't see my dad until I was 14

  • 'cause we came to America and he got a job

  • as a stock boy in a liquor store.

  • We had to make it.

  • So he'd leave at 7 A.M. and come home at midnight or 10

  • and I just never saw him.

  • Like straight up never saw him and then he saved up

  • enough money to buy his own liquor store.

  • I was, like I said earlier, a real hustler kid,

  • lemonade, baseball cards, car washin',

  • like I'd rip your fucking flowers out of your yard

  • and sell it back to you.

  • I was really like interesting.

  • Anyway, I came to the liquor store when I was 14

  • and I was straight full of shit.

  • I would say anything to sell something.

  • Anything.

  • My dad's old school Russian dude like he's all about like

  • (spits), you know?

  • And he's scary as fuck and he kinda like looked me

  • in the face and said, like he saw me do something,

  • and he like changed my life.

  • Like I really believe I will achieve,

  • I feel like I'm the cliche kind of that guy

  • that's like slick, like pure DNA, I feel like I'm that guy.

  • The one that like seems fun at first but is kinda like

  • a fuck face and will do whatever it is for him?

  • I actually believe that but I think I got lucky enough

  • that I had such a hardcore dad that he remolded me

  • when I was just young enough where it became my truth

  • and that's why I think so much good has happened for me,

  • that contradiction of like selfish and selfless,

  • like just honorable but like storyteller.

  • Like it just worked out, it just worked out and so yeah,

  • it was the transcending moment of my life

  • that he told me word is bond and like fucking yeah,

  • that's where I'm at.

  • - I want you both to answer this - the idea of the hustler.

  • You reference the founder of Uber.

  • Clearly you have to know people high up

  • if you're gonna invest in other social platforms

  • whether it's Snap and it's a young CEO,

  • guy that's not much older than some of you

  • fifth year seniors in the room.

  • Is there commonality between some of those and,

  • Casey, for you,

  • you've seen at the highest level of coaching and playing

  • and if you could boil it down

  • into one of those two categories.

  • - Just the hustler mentality?

  • - Yeah.

  • - I think, when I think about hustling,

  • you think about sports, right?

  • You think about hey, hustle to the ball.

  • We talkin' about hustle.

  • What does that mean?

  • That's like, that means we're getting there.

  • We're doing that last little bit, that extra, right?

  • So you think about hustle mentality,

  • it's like he's gonna do what he has to do

  • to get to where he needs to be

  • but having that hustle mentality is saying like

  • if I wanna get, my focus is getting to the league,

  • like I'm gonna hustle my ass to get to the league

  • like how am I gonna do that?

  • If I'm gonna get a 3.5,

  • if I wanna meet such and such and LA Live or whatever

  • and work for this firm or whatever,

  • how am I gonna hustle to do that?

  • Because it's not like I think

  • and it's just gonna happen like,

  • you have to navigate to it and hustle in my opinion,

  • when I think about hustle, I didn't have Gary V. growing up.

  • The one I had was Diddy.

  • When I thought about Diddy back in the day,

  • he was the ultimate hustler to me.

  • Puff Daddy, Diddy, all you know what I'm saying, right?

  • So when I was coming in college,

  • he was always talking about hustle and grind

  • and this and that and in my mind, it was like okay,

  • I'm not in the music world but I'm in football.

  • How can I take that mentality and put it over here?

  • So I'm gonna workout here at 6 A.M.

  • I'm gonna go workout later on over here with this person.

  • I'm gonna study film on this.

  • I'm gonna get myself to the best of my ability

  • and study and do all the things I gotta do

  • and that's what I think about when I think about hustle.

  • - The common thing about all the winners I've seen in life

  • and this is interesting 'cause this is probably not

  • the best advice for a complete athlete

  • but I'd like you guys to hear it.

  • I think it's interesting.

  • I think they're the people that under strengths

  • and didn't dwell on their weaknesses.

  • I think about myself and all the other people

  • that I think have won.

  • They zoned in our their strength and they maintained

  • their weaknesses and I've always thought about that

  • with athletes too 'cause I think about business like sports.

  • I'm always wondering, the guys in this room are,

  • you know obviously if you have a fatal flaw

  • that can't allow you to be at this level or next level,

  • you gotta close the gap, right?

  • Fix that but I've always wondered if the ones

  • that really have excelled,

  • did they have the three or four things that they zoned in

  • that naturally came to them and then they tripled down

  • on that instead of looked around the room

  • and be like oh, that dude's better at this.

  • Let me try to get better when, as you guys know,

  • so many things in life are natural,

  • I think we fight DNA a lot

  • and so I've just been very curious at a macro level

  • what's the difference in life when you go triple all in

  • on your strengths instead of dwelling on weaknesses.

  • - And to piggyback off of that, me as a football player,

  • my strengths compared to some of the dudes I played with,

  • my strengths might've been blocking

  • and we've talked about this,

  • I talked about this a couple of weeks ago to somebody,

  • I don't know who I was talking to

  • but I was gonna block my ass off, right?

  • I was gonna be the best blocker.

  • Every team I've been on, I've been the best blocker.

  • I wasn't always the tallest, the fastest, or whatever

  • but I was the best blocker, most consistent,

  • my routes were this way.

  • I had the most consistent routes.

  • Those are my strengths.

  • So those kept me in a role all the time.

  • On any team I've been on, that was my role.

  • - Were you triple downing on or were you like, fuck,

  • I need to get a little fast,

  • 'cause it feels like you're more scared

  • about what you don't have 'cause that could be

  • the one data point 'cause the league's crazy, right?

  • The Combine's, it's ludicrous, like the decisions

  • that are made on some shit that doesn't even map

  • to what's going on.

  • - To his point, that's another point.

  • Combine, right?

  • And I'm not advocating this,

  • I'm just telling you my story and what I did.

  • At the Combine, I didn't do everything at the Combine --

  • - You didn't, huh?

  • - Because I only did my strengths.

  • Why?

  • Because I knew I was gonna be in front of every team,

  • every GM, every scout.

  • Why am I gonna go out there and do, get on,

  • stand on the box where they wanna see how flexible you are

  • and I know I'm not flexible.

  • So I don't want them to look at me and say,

  • oh, he's not flexible.

  • - That's interesting.

  • - I don't want to give them anything negative

  • to say about me, right?

  • - It's interesting.

  • - So I didn't do everything at the Combine

  • and I had an agent who was savvy enough to tell me, like,

  • okay, this is what you should do.

  • This is what you shouldn't do and basically I did,

  • I double downed on my strengths at the Combine.

  • All I did at the Combine was run routes.

  • I didn't the 40.

  • I ran my 40 right out here because there, like I said,

  • I'm not advocating this for everyone.

  • I'm just telling you my story.

  • I didn't like the timing of it.

  • They shuttle you in to Indie, you're in there,

  • you gotta get warmed up on their time when as,

  • when you're working out of here for Pro Day,

  • you're working out on your own time.

  • You kinda got your own routine.

  • There it doesn't feel the same so all I said was,

  • you know what?

  • I'm just gonna run routes.

  • I'm gonna stretch.

  • I'm gonna stretch.

  • I'm gonna do my height and weight.

  • They were like, you don't wanna get on the box?

  • They make you sit on the ground and they wanna see

  • how flexible, I was like, I don't wanna do that.

  • They said, you don't wanna stretch?

  • I'm like, no, I'm good.

  • I said I literally came there to run routes.

  • Why?

  • 'Cause I just wanted to show my strengths.

  • - By a show of hands,

  • how many of you guys hang out with people

  • outside of the athletic department

  • and would you say that population is more than 30%?

  • Anybody?

  • 30% of the people you hang out with, or more,

  • are outside of the athletic department.

  • Not a lot when you look around, right?

  • For a guy who went to grad school here,

  • Casey, obviously, went to school here,

  • Gary, you've got a really diverse group.

  • I'd love to talk about the opportunity you guys have

  • on this campus 'cause you're around,

  • those three business people don't have to be three people

  • that have crazy Fortune 500 companies right now.

  • They could be people that you partner with.

  • You said something smart on one of your podcasts

  • it's get to know your roommate when you get to college

  • that maybe isn't a football player.

  • I think there's so much collaboration and magic

  • on this campus that when you lean into someone

  • maybe 180 degrees away from you,

  • you might have the next Uber

  • and this dude might invest the next 50K in it.

  • - I think the way my mind works

  • is I reverse engineer regret.

  • Regret scares the fuck out of me.

  • I'll give you a real weird thing to do.

  • If you wanna do something kind of off the beaten path

  • that will make you feel good

  • and you'll get even more in return,

  • go spend one day in a retirement home.

  • Go talk to five 90 year olds.

  • If you really listen, all you're gonna hear is regret.

  • They're gonna talk about a lot of stuff they wish they did

  • and so for me, when I'm thinking about you,

  • you gotta keep up your grades to do your thing.

  • You clearly gotta, like you're busy, right?

  • 'Cause you're an athlete and a student.

  • There's just still a lot of time that's put into Madden.

  • There's still a lot of time put into other dumb shit

  • and how it plays out,

  • 99% of the time is you're 29 and you're like,

  • fuck, I wish I.

  • That's it, that's all,

  • that's what I trade on and not because I'm smart,

  • just 'cause I talk to a lot of people

  • and I just listen, right?

  • - Yeah, I mean --

  • - Like I wish I, you're right.

  • The amount of people that are gonna go on to do things here,

  • but listen it's not for everybody.

  • I don't wanna be the guy sittin' up here,

  • the 40 year old talking to you

  • and be like say hello to people,

  • all this dorky shit like I get it.

  • It's still gonna play out that way though.

  • - I'll say this, the one thing,

  • I don't regret anything about my football experience here.

  • Fortunately, I was like, I was on it,

  • committed and I was around a group of guys that were.

  • The one thing I do regret though is that I didn't network

  • with people in my class as much as I should have.

  • I knew people on campus but just like what Yogi is saying

  • is that how many of your classmates

  • are you really cool with?

  • You guys come into class, you sit in certain seats.

  • - And they wanna say hello.

  • - Yeah, no doubt.

  • They'll talk to you --

  • - Like everybody else on campus has the problem

  • of having no leverage.

  • You've got nothing but leverage.

  • You just gotta be like, yeah.

  • - All you gotta do,

  • if you introduce yourself to anybody in your class --

  • - You ain't gotta do shit.

  • - And that's what I didn't,

  • that's the one thing I will say I do regret somewhat

  • is that I didn't use the network.

  • Now as I've gotten older, that's the thing about USC though,

  • and this is not an excuse,

  • I'm not telling you to put it off until you're 35 years old

  • but with the brand,

  • I am a Trojan for life, right?

  • So I can still tap into this network to this day

  • if I choose to.

  • Now a lot of guys, former players,

  • they don't choose to as much or they don't

  • but now I do it a lot more.

  • It might be older guys that graduated

  • or even some of the newer generation,

  • tapping into the network,

  • but while you guys are in it though like he's saying,

  • you could be chillin' with the next Uber person in class

  • or whatever and that could be your boy

  • and you do go make it to the league

  • and you have a little piece of change

  • and you can invest into that company.

  • - But the thing that kills me is look,

  • if you're an introvert and you're shy, that's one thing

  • but if you're rollin' in there with your Beats on

  • because you think you're fucking cool,

  • you're a fucking idiot.

  • Because most of those people are gonna beat you.

  • It's math

  • and that's just stupid.

  • Like when you think about it, when you break it down,

  • it's fascinating.

  • Like just 'cause you're winning 14 nothing

  • in the first quarter doesn't mean you're gonna win.

  • - I was just at the opening

  • that a lot of you guys participated in

  • and you've talked to Eric Thomas before, right?

  • You've had him on your show.

  • - Yeah, he's fucking crazy.

  • - I don't know if you guys are familiar with him.

  • His videos go viral.

  • He's pretty rad and he talked about

  • how all the other athletes that weren't invited

  • to the opening,

  • their chip just keeps growing and all the other athletes

  • that didn't sign at USC,

  • their chip keeps growing and all the students

  • that don't get to get their classes first,

  • their chip keeps growing and yours,

  • will always grow in football we hope,

  • but doesn't keep growing in other ways.

  • So a challenge may be for the rest of the summer,

  • take three students randomly in three of your classes

  • and ask 'em if you were gonna partner with me

  • on any idea or partner with anybody,

  • what would it be and go have a 20 minute conversation.

  • See where your mind goes 'cause it might go

  • to what's next in the future.

  • - And this is where I think technology's an advantage

  • because like I trade on real,

  • the reason I invested in all those companies

  • is I trade on human behavior.

  • Like I know that you're gonna be interacting with Alexa

  • and like your car and like I already know

  • what you're gonna do before you do it.

  • That's why I make so much money, right?

  • So I also know that not everybody here is gonna roll up

  • on people and be like yo

  • but this is where technology comes through.

  • Like saying what's up to three people,

  • if you're not gonna do it face-to-face,

  • do it on a DM.

  • Like you know who's in your class,

  • I don't care how you do it, just do it.

  • I think technology's the gateway drug

  • to real life interaction.

  • Like everyone's like oh these kids, they don't know,

  • I think they do know how to interact.

  • You interact differently.

  • This is how it is but then that's what leads to you

  • having a cup of coffee or a conversation.

  • So you don't have to like, hey, like fine,

  • but just figure it out.

  • Just get into that conversation because you're right,

  • like the quality of students that go to this school,

  • that go on to do things, even if you,

  • even if you go on and have a nine year professional career,

  • a stunning percentage of the kids that are in your classes

  • are gonna create unlimited opportunities for you

  • that all you had to do was say what's up

  • when you had the most leverage as a football player

  • at this school at this moment.

  • - I'm curious, to open it up a little with you guys,

  • just raise your hand and we'll call on you

  • but when you think of the internet, what do you think about?

  • What's the first thing that comes to mind?

  • Yeah?

  • Information.

  • Who else?

  • Talking.

  • Yeah, right on.

  • Keep going.

  • Anybody else?

  • - [Male] Communication, man.

  • - Opportunity.

  • Yeah?

  • - [Male] Access.

  • - Access, now we're talking, yeah.

  • Same thing?

  • Cool, cool.

  • You've been cutting edge on a lot of things.

  • You just talked about what's next.

  • When you think of the internet,

  • you've often said the internet is what TV was to the radio.

  • When you think about it now where it's going

  • and how these guys can utilize it in their lives.

  • - It's so crazy for me, right, I'm 41.

  • I'm old, right?

  • Like I remember the world pre-internet.

  • Which is just like so batshit crazy

  • 'cause when I think about internet,

  • like when you said it, I was like oxygen.

  • Like to me it's just like, it's oxygen.

  • There is no life without the internet.

  • I don't think people understand.

  • Let me tell you something you will do 25 years from now.

  • You will wear contact lenses and you will live

  • in a real world, in an augmented world, and a virtual world.

  • In 25 years from now, when you'll be young,

  • you will put on contact lenses or something will be invented

  • or will be put in Lasik'd into your eyes

  • and like the same way all those SnapChat filters

  • and all that shit?

  • That will be real life.

  • There'll be a fourth dude right here virtually

  • or you can go completely into a virtual or,

  • like this shit just started.

  • We just started.

  • Uber and Amazon and Facebook and SnapChat,

  • that shit's basic.

  • Your car's gonna drive itself for you.

  • YOu're gonna be like loungin' in your car.

  • The things we're gonna be doing.

  • Your beer's gonna be reordering itself for you.

  • When you have one beer left in your fridge,

  • it's gonna reorder it for you.

  • You're gonna have technology in your body.

  • All this plays out to the robots killing off all of us.

  • We probably won't see it but it's coming

  • and so this is just starting.

  • Think about what was,

  • when we laugh like that it's fun for me

  • because if I told you 10 years ago,

  • like 10 years ago if you did online dating,

  • you were a fucking dork.

  • Like now all that's going on is that.

  • That is the infrastructure for it, right?

  • If you told a parent 10 years ago, here's what's up.

  • Your 14 year old daughter should go into a stranger's car

  • to get around everyday,

  • they would've laughed you out of the room.

  • That's what Uber is.

  • So I don't think people understand.

  • When I think about the internet, I think about it as oxygen.

  • It's just the framework that we now play in and when you,

  • to make it real life for you instead of some heady shit,

  • the opportunity for all of you is exponential.

  • It's so compounded.

  • You could network in L.A. when you played here.

  • You can network with the fucking world.

  • You can literally go on your phone right now,

  • put in hashtag USC, see anybody that gives a fuck about it,

  • and you can engage with that

  • and basically have anything happen, if you choose to.

  • That's just bonkers.

  • - Let's dive into the responsibility that comes with that.

  • When that happens.

  • 'Cause Gary does a nice job and, Casey,

  • I've known you for a long time, you're amazing at this.

  • You guys remain at least you're perceived

  • to be really authentic.

  • Like you haven't varied even though --

  • - 'Cause I know I can't hide.

  • You're just not gonna be able to hide, right?

  • - And that's because --

  • - It's 'cause we live in a world where Danny Amendola,

  • the night after winning the Superbowl,

  • banged some chick and she uses it as her Tinder profile.

  • We just live in a world where you're on the record, right?

  • - Well, I also think on top of that,

  • say you did only PC posts.

  • At some point, you gotta become your voice

  • which is why we asked you guys

  • if you think you're storytellers 'cause every single

  • one of your SnapChats,

  • like when I look at some of you on SnapChat versus Twitter,

  • it's like they're two different people 'cause SnapChat,

  • I'm in your world.

  • I'm in it, real time and I see what's going on on Thursday

  • or wherever you may be and on Twitter you might just say

  • something really nice about a teammate who's blessed

  • to get a scholarship offer or be up for an award, right?

  • - But everybody's full of shit.

  • You ever look at Facebook?

  • Everybody's got the best marriage, best kids, best vacation,

  • like everybody's PR-ing the shit out of themselves

  • so what happens is, everything's about, it's sports.

  • Everything's about adjustments, right?

  • Tight ends become fucking basketball players,

  • you gotta adjust the safety position.

  • There's a reaction to reaction.

  • Social media didn't exist.

  • It came out, everybody was saying everything.

  • Then we got conditioned that people would react

  • and all of a sudden we got weird

  • and started PR'ing ourselves.

  • Now everybody knows that everybody's full of shit

  • so there's a counteract.

  • That's how SnapChat happened.

  • Everybody shared everything, where was the opportunity?

  • Something private.

  • So like everything's about countermoves.

  • Like right now, I don't give a fuck about social anymore

  • 'cause everybody's on it, everybody's lookin'.

  • That's why I'm looking at voice.

  • That's why I'm looking at Smartification (inaudible)

  • 'cause everybody's looking, you got a problem, right?

  • And that's what's happening with social.

  • Nobody believes,

  • when I say I'm watching what you guys are doing,

  • I'm not paying attention to what you're posting,

  • I'm paying attention to what you're double tapping.

  • It's so funny, guys are like PC-ing themselves on Instagram

  • like me and my moms and then they're like fucking

  • double tapping every booty chick on the fucking internet.

  • So like it's real funny and it's real true

  • that's why everybody's laughing 'cause everybody knows

  • and it's real fucking great.

  • I love it.

  • (group chattering)

  • - Casey, what have you noticed as a,

  • (group chattering)

  • yeah, these guys are like un-double tapping right now.

  • (group laughs)

  • Casey, I'm curious what you've noticed as a coach.

  • I mean, you recruit the entire country,

  • you guys are lucky enough to be here

  • and have a scholarship offer or be on this roster.

  • When you're diving in to next year's class

  • and the next year's class, what are you receiving?

  • What are you pulling from these kids

  • that are trying to PC on one side and double tap

  • the daylights out of something on the other?

  • - That's the funny thing.

  • I think for me,

  • especially being younger and kinda in social media

  • like most of y'all, right,

  • when we see recruits or we see y'all writing certain things

  • or doing certain things and like you're saying,

  • it's not true, I shouldn't say it's not true but you end up,

  • you see another side and then you get on campus

  • or your parents are around so now you're the recruit

  • and you got both parents in here so now you're all,

  • you're sitting straight, you got this and I'm like brah,

  • I was on your page the other day.

  • So it's like we understand what the real is

  • and the whole facade is like, it's really,

  • there's no point of it.

  • Like you said, it ends up coming out.

  • People will know if you're authentic or not

  • and whether you're real or not so at the end of the day,

  • you can try to like kind of dress certain things up

  • but I think as from a coaching standpoint,

  • especially when you guys are already our players,

  • we try to protect you in the sense of what your,

  • educate you on what you're posting

  • and all that type of stuff but for recruits,

  • we're kind of looking at 'em and kinda trying

  • to see where their mind is,

  • where their mindset is 'cause we do understand

  • once you guys get on this campus,

  • it's gonna be all the distractions and you got parties,

  • you got girls, you got alcohol,

  • you got all kinds of other stuff.

  • So we want to know or we try to anticipate

  • if that athlete might be,

  • have a problem or might dive in the problem

  • once they get to the campus.

  • - Yeah, the reason I asked him that is to give you

  • the idea of recruiting, right?

  • Whether that's an NFL executive, Gary, what do you have,

  • over 1,000 employees in all your companies combined, right?

  • The recruiting side of thing never really stops.

  • So I want you to dive back into something you said earlier.

  • You said you just gonna be you.

  • You're gonna be authentically you.

  • Give these guys a strategy on their social.

  • Take it a step further.

  • - I think they're better off being them.

  • Like you're 18, 19, 20, 21 year old alpha male dudes.

  • You know what you don't know at 19, 20, you know this,

  • when you're 41, you're still 20.

  • Like you're not tricking anybody and they're empathetic.

  • They know who you're supposed to be.

  • Like as long as you're not doing something crazy

  • and murdering fucking people and as long as you're not

  • doing crazy shit, I actually think people should go

  • more into who they actually are because people know

  • that's what you're supposed to be anyway.

  • You're so worried about the edges, right,

  • like you're supposed to be you.

  • - Can I say this?

  • It kinda ties to him.

  • I swear to you,

  • about a month ago I saw one of his videos for the first time

  • and I liked it.

  • Boom, got my hair standing up and I got to the point

  • where I was like, damn,

  • I wanna repost this but in my head

  • and I had my coaching hat on.

  • I was like damn,

  • he's cussing though and I was thinking like,

  • well, what if a parent,

  • a recruit's parents is on my page and they're like,

  • and you know what?

  • At the end of the day, you know what I said?

  • - Fuck it.

  • - Fuck it and I reposted it.

  • (group laughs)

  • Straight up.

  • Because in my head I'm like it's the message --

  • - If you lose a kid 'cause his mom's mad

  • that you reposted a cursing video,

  • that fucker shouldn't be at USC anyway.

  • (group laughs)

  • - That was the point to me.

  • I'm gonna be honest with you.

  • It's a true story.

  • - I believe that!

  • True story and this is the first time I've met Gary, right?

  • But true story, I was just like damn,

  • I'm supposed to be an example for y'all and blah blah blah

  • and I'm like everything I put up and this, that,

  • like I'm not gonna put the twerking video up, right?

  • But I'm like he's actually sayin' something that's dope

  • because he said the F word, does that make it wrong or bad?

  • I was like, man --

  • - And things are getting redefined, right?

  • Like look what, like rich people dress differently.

  • Here's what I always worry about -

  • you're trying to get positioned for the world

  • that you think it is but then the world moves on you.

  • Like all those 40 year olds that got straight A's

  • that came up with me and went to Princeton

  • and went to fucking Wall Street and everything,

  • they all DM me, they're like fuck and I'm like yeah,

  • because you thought the world was gonna stay still.

  • By the time you're 25, 27, doing your thing,

  • the world's gonna redefine.

  • Facebook's gonna come out and entrepreneurs

  • are gonna wear t-shirts and sneakers.

  • That's not what I grew up with.

  • That's not what 41 year olds looking ridiculous

  • with bullshit socks and shit?

  • Like that wasn't real.

  • The world's gonna move.

  • The Mendoza Line's gonna move.

  • What Miley Cyrus did twerking on MTV is lame

  • compared to every fucking post on Instagram now.

  • The world moves.

  • So trying to conform, to me the reason I am me,

  • do you know how much money I lose for cursing, for example?

  • We had a company not give us a $5 million account

  • because somebody on the Board didn't like that I cursed.

  • Good!

  • Because I got plenty more money in return

  • for actually being myself and, again,

  • you can't break rules and all that.

  • That's just the way it is, right?

  • But like being yourself always plays out.

  • Always plays out.

  • - [Male] To piggyback on top of that,

  • so I work at a winery --

  • - You do?

  • - [Male] Yeah.

  • Wine is my second love after --

  • - Well, we need to talk about that.

  • - [Male] Yeah, I was actually going to --

  • - That's my first career.

  • - [Male] But, how, if that's me and posting it on Instagram

  • and people looking at it like okay, he likes alcohol,

  • he likes wine --

  • - Are you 21 yet?

  • - [Male] I'm not 21.

  • - Yeah, so you need to be careful.

  • - [Male] Okay, but --

  • - When are you 21?

  • - [Male] In March.

  • - Great, go fucking crazy in March.

  • (group laughs)

  • - [Male] Alright but in terms of maybe not posting the --

  • - Drinking of it.

  • Yeah, are you like working at the winery?

  • Yeah, and like if you wanna be triple cautious,

  • you can be like,

  • can't wait until March when I can actually start,

  • like you can play with it, right?

  • You can be, you can play with it but like,

  • and you know wine, what's funny about wine,

  • and you know this, it's definitely still not Cognac or beer

  • like you're gonna get away with it.

  • It's more fucking bougie shit.

  • Let me say something to you, the truth is undefeated.

  • The truth is undefeated.

  • If you're passionate about wine culture

  • and you're not fucking drinking bottles to the face,

  • you're gonna be okay regardless of what somebody thinks

  • and let me tell you something

  • now that I've gotten in the game a little bit.

  • These NFL executives, you can speak to this better,

  • they're big boys and girls.

  • They're not real confused.

  • Nobody's not drafting you because you put a fucking picture

  • of Napa Valley.

  • - [Yogi] Yeah?

  • - [Male 2] Um, so the people I grew up with,

  • so I grew up in South Central so there's a lot of people

  • who smoke, drink, party, this and that.

  • So like I'm posting,

  • what if I just wanna post a picture of people

  • that I grew up with,

  • people that I'm cool with and like on their pages --

  • - Mm Hmm (affirmative).

  • - Different than my stuff and people kind of like attack me

  • and think I'm surrounded or doing the same thing.

  • What would you say about that?

  • - I say, personally, and I'm glad,

  • I was actually about to go there

  • 'cause it brought me to that

  • and I'm glad you brought that up.

  • To me, personally,

  • I don't think that you should hide from it

  • just like he's saying.

  • There's no need to hide from that

  • because there's nothing wrong with that.

  • That's where you grew up.

  • Now, I'm saying, you're not engaging, you're not,

  • in the video with a blunt in your hand or drink.

  • I'm not sayin' that but it's nothing wrong

  • with those being some of your friends

  • and having a relationship with them,

  • in my opinion.

  • Now you might tell me I'm wrong.

  • You might say it's wrong.

  • - You should go look at Robby Anderson.

  • He's a wide receiver for the Jets.

  • I think he's done it real smart.

  • Like you can tell that's his crew and where he came from

  • but the pictures he chooses to put up, they're,

  • you gotta be smart about the settings of it, right?

  • Like outside in the barbecue, cool.

  • Like everybody fucking blunt to the face playing video games

  • and that's the background of your picture with them,

  • not gonna work.

  • Just not.

  • You know that, right?

  • So I think you can't hide from where you came from,

  • nobody wants to do that in your situation

  • but people are gonna make assumptions.

  • I don't think you'll get hurt by looking,

  • if somebody goes down the rabbit hole,

  • looks at all the kids you tagged

  • and they're doing all that in their photos,

  • I think you can escape that if you're smart

  • about how you position the content with them.

  • Go ahead.

  • - [Male 3] So as far as Twitter,

  • say somebody like they tweet you some stuff like,

  • oh, what's going on tonight?

  • I'm tryin' to turn up, do do do do do,

  • like and you kinda forced to reply

  • 'cause you already put on the platform

  • to where you're like how do I reply to this?

  • - Direct message.

  • - [Male 3] I don't want the NFL scout to be like oh,

  • I'm about to go party tonight.

  • - You always gotta, I feel like you always have an out.

  • So you don't, first of all,

  • you're not forced to do anything.

  • - [Male 3] Yeah, I know you're not forced but --

  • - You can go direct message.

  • - Listen --

  • - Hey, we gonna be at 30th Street tonight on DM

  • as opposed to the big social thread where everybody's like,

  • there's ways around it.

  • Like he's saying, they're big boys and girls up there.

  • They gonna understand that NFL, college,

  • people are gonna go out and have a good time.

  • I mean, it was just fourth of July.

  • Everybody had a barbecue, everybody had a probably a drink.

  • I don't really drink but everybody had a drink

  • in their hand for the most part like just in the world,

  • just in general.

  • So the fact that you might be, it's not the fourth of July,

  • it's not a holiday,

  • it might be just a random day or your friends

  • might be doing in on a random day

  • or you going out on a Tuesday --

  • - Listen, people need to be smart in this room.

  • I got more air cover than you

  • because I'm an empathetic coach and, listen,

  • dudes are punching girls in the fucking face

  • and going in the second round.

  • Let's talk real talk.

  • You need to be smart.

  • If you've got all the pieces in place

  • that makes you a first round pick,

  • you know exactly the truth which is,

  • you can get away with more shit.

  • If you're fucking fringe, seventh round, UDFA,

  • you better really fucking smart

  • if you wanna be in the league.

  • That's just the truth.

  • Might get me in trouble but it's the truth.

  • You'll never get, ever penalized for somebody,

  • take that tweet and have it be three people

  • holding a fucking ounce of weed

  • and you still won't get in trouble for that

  • 'cause if you,

  • I'll give the same advice over and over

  • and I've really dissected this now,

  • the truth is undefeated.

  • You don't need to have a social media account.

  • If you're fucking snorting coke in the bathroom,

  • you're gonna lose.

  • - [Yogi] I think you've gotta be able to answer

  • the how and why.

  • All the NFL executives I talk to,

  • when they see something like that

  • they would go on a rabbit's hole

  • of everybody attached to it,

  • they'd learn all about 'em

  • and if you can stand right in front of them,

  • if I'm Pete Carroll, John Schneider, name an NFL coach,

  • why'd you kick it with them?

  • I've known them forever.

  • What is your relationship?

  • How do you operate when you're around them?

  • If you can answer those

  • and it's not I do participate in those activities

  • when you go down that rabbit's hole

  • and find out what they're about,

  • then you're good.

  • If you do participate,

  • then don't engage in that relationship

  • 'cause his point is fair.

  • The truth will always come out.

  • - 100%.

  • - [Yogi] But I always go back to how and why.

  • It's how I operate as a journalist,

  • how I try to operate my life.

  • If you can answer the question how and why you're even

  • in this chair right now,

  • how and why you kick it with somebody,

  • how and why you're dating somebody,

  • how and why you respect that girl, then you're good.

  • If you can't answer it or if it's bullshit

  • and it's not the truth,

  • then I think you're in a world of hurtin'

  • and your life's probably in a world of hurtin',

  • your game's probably in a world of hurtin'

  • and you're probably gonna be an undrafted free agent.

  • - So like when he's talking about scouts

  • and all that Combine stuff,

  • a lot of the times at the Combine and the NFL,

  • they're gonna ask you questions

  • that they know the answers to.

  • - (laughs) Every time.

  • - They just wanna know if you're gonna tell the truth.

  • - 100%.

  • - They wanna see if you're gonna tell the truth.

  • - 100%.

  • - They're gonna know if you've tested positive

  • or they're gonna know if you smoke and all this stuff

  • and they're gonna say, hey, do you smoke?

  • And you're gonna be like nope.

  • No, I've never smoked but they already know the answer.

  • They just wanna see is he lying, is he telling the truth?

  • Yeah, I used to smoke.

  • There was this one time or I used to smoke.

  • I grew up blah blah blah in this neighborhood

  • and I smoked but you know what?

  • I stopped.

  • I've been training for the Combine.

  • I've really been focused and last year,

  • they wanna know what you're gonna say

  • and how you're gonna react to it.

  • - 100%

  • - So to the point of those being your friends and all that,

  • it is what it is and like Yogi's saying

  • they might ask you about that when it comes to the point

  • and you might say well, yeah, I grew up in South Central

  • and this is the block I grew up on

  • and these are the boys I grew up in the street

  • playing football with that got me to this point

  • and these are my boys and then they might walk away

  • like man, that's a loyal dude.

  • Man, he's loyal to his friends.

  • - 100%

  • - So they might take that,

  • you might look at it as like damn,

  • that looks bad on me but they might say that's a loyal guy.

  • - What you don't know, even as you get older,

  • the cover up and the lying is always,

  • there's only a couple things,

  • the most extreme things that are worse than the lie

  • 'cause then that just breaks the trust

  • and then they're just scared about everything.

  • I mean smoking or hanging out with the wrong,

  • that's the norm.

  • They know that.

  • They're not naive.

  • You think you're tricking them?

  • You think you're tricking

  • a multi-trillion dollar organization?

  • You?

  • (group laughs)

  • - [Yogi] I'm curious, Gary,

  • 'cause I wonder if you guys deal with this at all.

  • - Spraying shit in your room?

  • Get the fuck out of here.

  • (group laughs)

  • - [Yogi] I wonder if you deal with this at all and, Casey,

  • you probably dealt with this as well,

  • as you get older, you do.

  • Relationships evolve in high school, through college,

  • through your professional career.

  • Sometimes you'll just move on and you're around

  • an environment that may take you to different rooms,

  • different places, different businesses, different teams

  • and that's just a reality of when you go through this --

  • - 100.

  • - And I'm curious because you probably dealt with a lot

  • of your boys from whether it's the wine business --

  • - I went to Mount Ida College.

  • 50% of the kids in my college went to jail.

  • I went to a hood, I slept with my wallet every night.

  • I'll beat everybody in c-low and spades

  • and all that shit in here.

  • I went to a hood college.

  • I keep in touch with those friends

  • but when I started my business,

  • I wasn't taking any of those fucking gangsters in it.

  • They're my boys and I'll help them but like, that's life.

  • That is the cliche conversation.

  • I had a weird business man conversation like that

  • but the cliche sports conversation is like kids come

  • from rough neighborhoods and things of that nature

  • and you could still be tried and true but what's tough

  • is like what we don't talk about now

  • is post that last collective bargaining agreement,

  • rookies aren't making that much money.

  • You're making money.

  • I mean, when you got nothing, hundreds of thousands is real

  • but like you start gettin', you guys, everybody knows,

  • everybody knows the stories,

  • you start getting those 47 phone calls.

  • Jalen Reeves-Maybin, linebacker from Tennessee,

  • kid that we represent now at VaynerSports,

  • fourth round pick.

  • His phone blows up when he gets drafted.

  • Fourth round!

  • You know what the economics of that now look like?

  • So it's tough and so like, yeah,

  • life evolves but there's ways to be there for people

  • without just being their piggy bank and it's tough, man.

  • I don't sympathize with everybody coming at you like that,

  • kids that have been with you in rough spots

  • from along the way,

  • family members, family members that helped you.

  • It's hard but that's what being a grown ass man's about.

  • If you actually can say no for the first three years,

  • put in the work, stay, you know what's tough?

  • You get to the league and you think that was it, right?

  • Like you know it's not but you still think it is

  • 'cause now high school, of course, you get to this.

  • You got the fucking bullshit NCAA

  • so you're still not making bank.

  • Now you're in the league and you feel like at some level

  • you've made it but the truth is the money's not there

  • until that second contract that can really get you

  • to be like (exhales).

  • So the key is actually locking down

  • in those first couple years and really being smart

  • with those, making those investments.

  • Hopefully you stay healthy and get to that second deal.

  • - [Male] Can you give us an example of like what one

  • of those conversations would be like for someone

  • dealing with that,

  • like if one of your best friends wants a certain amount

  • of money or how would a conversation like that go?

  • - Sam, honestly, listen,

  • like honestly I think sometimes you should give it too.

  • You gotta be you.

  • Listen, I don't know.

  • Money, like I just love the game of like,

  • it worked out for me but I was not making a lot of money

  • in my 20's and 30's and I was like helping my friend,

  • like this whole, so I didn't take Moose or Tokyo Joe

  • or fucking Dustin to my business

  • but I was wiring them money.

  • My friend Dustin fucking was bringing so much ecstasy

  • from fucking Holland to L.A., you can't imagine.

  • He went to jail, he needed help.

  • I gave him money.

  • I'm not gonna judge you because some guy that had your back

  • from the get needs money and you're worried

  • about some executives or people judging you.

  • I think it comes down to individuality here, right?

  • I think it's okay and like, look,

  • I think everything becomes

  • the product of your reality, right?

  • First round quarterbacks get paid different

  • than fifth round cornerbacks.

  • There's just, everybody's got their real life,

  • and so like there's different pressures

  • and then some families,

  • first round quarterback doesn't have those pressures

  • that a fifth round corner,

  • everybody around them feels like

  • it is the first pick in the draft.

  • So there's a million different things here.

  • I think the key for all of you

  • is you need to be good with yourself

  • 'cause then you'll have the strength for the yes's and no's

  • that will dictate the fucking outcome of your life.

  • - I think that's key though,

  • like being able to say no and yes because you are gonna

  • say yes at times and you are gonna have to say no

  • and it's harder to say no than it is to say yes

  • 'cause you gonna get asked for random crazy stuff.

  • Trust me and you gonna do it sometimes

  • and sometimes you might not even feel like you should do it

  • or you really wanna do it, you gonna do it anyway --

  • - 100%

  • - And you're gonna let it go but there's gonna be sometimes

  • where you're gonna say, you know what, man?

  • I can't do it this time or like hey man --

  • - And that's when you find out what's really happening.

  • - Yeah, because --

  • - You put somebody on twice and then you say no

  • the third time --

  • - How that person reacts after that, if they still with you,

  • if they still, then that's your folks

  • because at the end of the day,

  • if you're helping somebody,

  • you're helping them out of the goodness of your heart.

  • I learned something a long time ago.

  • My pops told me, he said don't give something to somebody

  • that really you can't do without.

  • So if he tells me,

  • I'mma loan him $100 and he says he's gonna give it

  • back to me and I'm gonna trust him to give it back.

  • If I loan it to him, in my head, I'm like,

  • man, you know that?

  • If I loan this 100, if he don't give it back to me,

  • I'm cool and if he gives it back to me,

  • cool 'cause he said he was.

  • Remember like he said his pops spit on his hand,

  • shook my hand but if he doesn't give it back to me,

  • I can still function and work and I'm gonna be good

  • but at the end of the day too even on the side of giving it,

  • sometimes you gotta just kind of like distance yourself

  • and just kind of,

  • you'll read people and understand and you'll see

  • when it's a real situation

  • and when it's not a real situation

  • and then it'll be an opportunity for you

  • to help them grow in situations as well.

  • - You know what's a thing I've sniffed out real quick

  • from the outside?

  • Veterans when you get there.

  • It's been interesting that some of the kids

  • that I've been fucking with,

  • they're like the veterans were the ones that gave 'em

  • the courage 'cause you know, they're in it, right?

  • You can look at that guy right next to you in the locker

  • who's in your nine,

  • I would tell you and this is probably what happened

  • here too and you guys can all speak to it more than I can.

  • It's why I go hang out with 90 year olds.

  • You learn so much more from people that have been through it

  • and did it than anything else.

  • So if you're lucky enough to get to the next level

  • and dealing with some of those pressures,

  • I would attach yourself to that vet,

  • be that annoying rookie and get all that wisdom

  • and that halo that protects you.

  • Two kids have already told me the reason they had courage

  • to say no was they leaned on old man, old man 30 years old,

  • but to them.

  • So that's something to think about

  • from a strategy standpoint.

  • - Sometimes, it's too, it's just learning how to do it.

  • Literally learning how to say it

  • like whether it's framing it and it's an answer

  • and you just stick to it like my budget is set this way.

  • I'm allocated to, I gotta do this, I gotta do this.

  • I can only give out so much and then you just stick to it

  • and that's your answer and then you,

  • they're gonna say well, I'm gonna give back.

  • I'm like well, you just gotta stick to it.

  • - It's hard.

  • - 'Cause what happens is,

  • as soon as you tell somebody no and you can't do it,

  • they're gonna come with another plan

  • to why you can do it and well,

  • how about this much or they're gonna come

  • with something else and you gotta just stick with it

  • 'cause it's hard.

  • Like I said, they're gonna keep coming.

  • You gotta just stand firm and be like, man,

  • I can't this time.

  • If I could --

  • - It's tough.

  • - I mean I can but it's like my situation doesn't allow me.

  • Yeah, I might,

  • financially I might have it literally in the bank

  • but I just can't do it because my overall picture,

  • my goal Car-rie Ko-pert plan or whoever we are,

  • it just doesn't fit within that plan.

  • - And everybody's reading headlines, right?

  • They're reading what Google told 'em about your contract.

  • They're not looking into what's guaranteed.

  • They're not looking into the cost now to maintain your body.

  • They're just like, right?

  • It's tough.

  • - [Yogi] I think it's important to remember

  • that disagreement doesn't mean dislike.

  • That's one of my favorite phrases.

  • We can disagree, doesn't mean I don't love you.

  • - 100%.

  • - [Yogi] Any other questions?

  • I wanna ask you, both you guys,

  • when you look at competition,

  • how do you frame it and I say that,

  • you guys may not know this

  • but I encourage you to check it out -

  • there's a new show on Apple Music called Planet of the Apps

  • where basically somebody comes down

  • with a 30 second elevator and they literally

  • have to give a pitch on their new app

  • and Gary's one of the judges,

  • Jessica Alba, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Will.i.am.

  • It's a pretty cool show

  • but that's one of the more competitive industries

  • and you guys probably get a boatload of ideas.

  • I want you to leave here with, okay,

  • we just got a lot of knowledge.

  • How can I put this together in one of my ideas,

  • one of my collaborations with a friend

  • or with one of my teammates?

  • - So I'm sorry I apologize,

  • I wanna make sure I understand the question.

  • - [Yogi] I wanna see how you view competition

  • 'cause you see it on a show where people are literally

  • coming up with some of the more creative ideas

  • that maybe you've seen.

  • - I mean, I spend no time on competition.

  • I don't think about competition.

  • I hate my competition.

  • I wanna slice their fucking throat

  • but I spend no time on them.

  • I've got no time for them 'cause I'm not worried about them.

  • I'm gonna do my thing and I'm gonna make them react to me.

  • I like, I love when I meet business people

  • that I'm supposed to know and they can taste

  • that I don't know who they are, you know when you know?

  • You know when you know and you're like,

  • yeah, nice to meet you.

  • I love that feeling that they know that I don't know

  • who they are even though I'm supposed to

  • because that's how much I disrespect that fucker.

  • (group laughs)

  • Because I'm in my shit.

  • I'm in my shit.

  • By the way, doesn't mean, by the way,

  • (inaudible) may beat me and, by the way,

  • I'm good with that 'cause that's the game.

  • You gotta take your L's.

  • I wear my loss on Uber or my other,

  • like I fucking own my L's but they're mine, right?

  • And so my, I'm only driven by competition.

  • I'm a business man because I wasn't gifted

  • with your guys' athletics and I needed to get that nut off

  • in a different way and that was business, right?

  • And so when I was making $80,000 a year,

  • that was enough for me to live.

  • I'm not fucking fancy.

  • I came from zero.

  • I don't need shit.

  • I don't need a watch or fucking dumb shit like that.

  • I need the game and my game is business

  • and the way I treat it is,

  • I'm gonna do me and I'm gonna make them react to me.

  • I'm not gonna fucking watch film on them.

  • You don't get away with that.

  • You've gotta watch film.

  • I get it, it's different but like, for me,

  • I don't have to watch film.

  • I'm gonna do my shit and I'm gonna do it so fucking hard

  • and so loud that I'm gonna make them spend time

  • focusing on me instead of the reverse.

  • - I think, for me, and I've talked to Deonte about this.

  • As far as competition,

  • now we're talking about I'm a receiver

  • and I have other receivers that I'm competing against

  • in the world.

  • Say we're getting ready for the draft and they got me raised

  • as the seventh receiver and there's six other guys

  • in front of me.

  • I'm not looking at them six guys, like he's saying,

  • 'cause I'm worried about myself.

  • We're all different individuals.

  • Now when it comes to like the reverse competition

  • like when I'm getting ready for a game,

  • I'm gonna respect the person I'm playing against

  • but at the same time I know that if I'm at my best

  • and I'm prepared, it doesn't matter who I'm playing against.

  • You really have to have that mentality,

  • especially if you wanna play on Sundays

  • because on Sunday you gonna be playing against somebody,

  • that somebody every week.

  • So whether it's Champ Bailey this week

  • and Asante Samuel this week and it don't matter,

  • you're playing against somebody.

  • So that name, that don't matter.

  • I already know he's gonna be at a certain caliber and level.

  • I just know that I gotta be at a certain level myself

  • and how do I get myself there?

  • By studying him as a number, okay.

  • This is why I was talking to Deonte.

  • Oh, this is how he likes to step at the line of scrimmage

  • and he likes to hard press.

  • He like to, whatever it is as an individual,

  • I'm getting to know him but at the end of the day,

  • I'm already constructing a plan in my head

  • like this is how I'm gonna tackle him

  • because it's really about me though, it's not about him.

  • It's about me beating him.

  • So --

  • - Because what's great about sports and business

  • is it's gonna play out.

  • There's no subjectiveness in what you guys do for a living.

  • Somebody's gonna win, somebody's gonna lose.

  • That's why you gotta focus so much on yourself

  • because it's not subjective.

  • It's not a painting or a bottle of wine

  • that like a couple of critics are like, it's good, it's bad.

  • It's just, wine's a lot of fun 'cause it's subjective.

  • That's why I did real well in it

  • because if I story told well,

  • I made you think it was good before you fucking drank it.

  • We don't have that in business and sports.

  • If you lose 31 to seven, you fucking lost.

  • There's no like, well, no.

  • (group laughs)

  • So that's why it's so insular, right?

  • Back to what connects me with this world.

  • I don't know anybody in the sports agent world.

  • Everyone's like oh, do you, I don't know anybody.

  • I don't know a single fucking name!

  • I don't give a fuck about Athletes First

  • or fucking Roc Nation.

  • I know, sure know Jay Z's not doing shit, right?

  • It doesn't matter.

  • I have to do my thing and so like

  • that's how I think about competition.

  • - [Yogi] Before we let you go, clearly Gary and Casey,

  • you guys have known it for awhile.

  • You guys live on that razor's edge.

  • I'm curious how you cultivate and recultivate

  • that everyday for you?

  • - I mean for me, like I said,

  • I'm not playing anymore, right?

  • So I have to recreate some type of way,

  • that's why I said in the morning,

  • if I send you guys something in the morning it's probably

  • because I just watched that shit

  • and I'm trying to get my juices flowing.

  • Y'all going to get into a workout,

  • you're gonna get on the field,

  • you're gonna put the helmet on.

  • There's certain things that's gonna happen in your life

  • or that you guys are doing like playing sports

  • that that juice is gonna flow naturally.

  • You don't even got to create it.

  • I gotta create it.

  • I gotta manufacture it a little.

  • So I'm watching his video.

  • I might be watching ET.

  • I might watch whoever and for me I do that

  • 'cause I'm setting my mind like, T. Will, he know.

  • We talk all the time.

  • We send each other videos, quotes, pictures.

  • I mean, that's my other brother back there, right?

  • So we stay on each other

  • because if I see something that I like

  • that's gonna get me goin',

  • that's how I'm kinda trying to create it.

  • You guys live in a world where naturally if you got,

  • like if you're a self-starter,

  • I consider myself a self-starter.

  • When I was in a workout,

  • I didn't need a coach to get on my ass

  • and yell at me and tell me get goin'.

  • Once I was out there, let's go.

  • It's go time.

  • So I feel like you guys are kinda in that world where,

  • yeah, you might have to turn the music up.

  • It might be a song.

  • Why is everybody turning music up in the weight room?

  • Because they wanna get hyped or everybody's listening

  • to headphones before the game

  • 'cause they wanna get juiced up.

  • Naturally, I'm ready, I listen to music before a game

  • but really I can just go out there and play,

  • let's go but nowadays,

  • I'm doing stuff like I'm watching what other,

  • it might be something that he's saying,

  • it might be something that somebody else

  • is saying that's just gonna kind of stir it in me

  • because it's in me.

  • I got that natural juice, that competitive nature in me.

  • It's just gonna stir it up and that's all I need to go.

  • - For me, it's gratitude.

  • I'm super grateful, man.

  • I was born in a shit place,

  • got out of Russia when nobody was getting out, got lucky.

  • I'm grateful.

  • If I wake up and everybody in my family is alive,

  • I'm so fucking fired up.

  • I don't watch shit.

  • I don't listen to shit.

  • I'm just like, I'm so grateful, Yogi.

  • I just know, I don't know what else to say.

  • I'm just super, I'm part of this non-profit,

  • Pencils of Promise.

  • I took some of my people, we went to Ghana.

  • Went to Ghana, landed in Accra and then drove four hours.

  • This is a place where people walk an hour

  • to get fresh water.

  • That man's water bottle,

  • they would fucking die for that shit.

  • I just think everybody's lost perspective

  • and I'm real empathetic to this room's lost perspective.

  • You're a football player at USC.

  • Your perspective is broke.

  • It just is.

  • So I try to unwind.

  • My perspective is I'm a white man in America

  • and I'm rich as fuck.

  • My perspective is broke.

  • So I'm trying to rewind it back to just be grateful.

  • I'm just grateful.

  • So the way I stay on the edge and just like, gratitude.

  • It's just gratitude.

  • One life, one at bat, one time.

  • I just don't wanna see that regret in my eyes

  • that I see in so many and that's why it's so fun

  • for me to come and talk to you now

  • because like straight up for 90% of you,

  • this is the greatest year of your life right now.

  • That's just the truth.

  • You can be mad at me.

  • You can be sad at me.

  • You can think I'm stupid.

  • I'm telling you straight to your fucking faces,

  • for 80, 90% of you, this is it.

  • This is the fucking pinnacle.

  • So you better squeeze the fuck out of this thing

  • because if you're smart and you do,

  • then it won't be.

  • - [Yogi] Yeah, I couldn't agree more there.

  • I tell you, the coolest thing --

  • - It is, it's 'cause it's true.

  • It's not like I'm smart, I'm just looking at data.

  • I'm just looking at history, just talking to people,

  • just being a student of life.

  • It's true.

  • - [Yogi] As we kind of wrap this thing up

  • and Gary, Casey, and myself,

  • we're gonna hang around if you guys got any other questions

  • and I think there's dinner for you as well.

  • What these two guys do,

  • Casey, I've known him for 10, 15 years now.

  • Gary, just observing his content from afar is they give

  • and Coach Carroll was the same way when he was here.

  • He just gave and gave and I think that's really the lesson

  • is the more you give,

  • it's gonna come back.

  • Just don't expect it.

  • T. Will's done it a million times.

  • Everybody in this audience has done it.

  • Whether it's to kids, whether it's through your own social,

  • whatever it is, give the unique stuff away

  • and it'll come back a million different ways.

  • - You won me over so big.

  • You said one thing that I live on.

  • I have zero expectation.

  • Do you know why I'm so happy?

  • I have zero expectation of others.

  • Nobody's ever let me down.

  • When I do, I do it, Gary V-E-E, on Instagram and SnapChat,

  • hit me up.

  • You don't need to sign with my firm.

  • You don't need to be drafted by the Jets.

  • I will give 'cause karma is practical.

  • Giving is practical.

  • That shit always works out.

  • That shit, karma, always is practical.

  • It always works out.

  • So if I can help you in any way, Gary V-E-E.

  • Anyway.

  • - [Male] You gonna follow me back?

  • - Maybe.

  • You want me to?

  • - [Male] Yeah.

  • - Bet.

  • Done.

  • (group laughs)

  • - [Yogi] Good question.

  • - You gonna leverage it?

  • - [Male] Yeah.

  • - [Male 2] Follow me back too!

  • - (laughs) Okay.

  • (group laughs)

  • - [Yogi] Alright, fellas.

  • I appreciate it.

  • I know your time is precious as is Gary and Casey's.

  • Give it up for them, please.

  • (group applauds)

  • - I love that.

  • That hundred dollar thing, that's the realest fucking shit,

  • 'cause you give and it's only a bonus

  • if somebody comes through.

  • - [Male] Thank you guys.

- [Male] Gary Vaynerchuk, come on, G.

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