For Jacque Fresco, this is what it looks like.

對於雅克．法斯科來說　未來是這樣子的：

A future where technology is harnessed for all and money has no relevance.

一個掌握科技　使其造福全人類的未來　而金錢將是無關的

Sound far-fetched? Well at 94, the reality is that it's a future Jacque will never see.

聽起來無法想像？　嗯　事實上未來會是94歲的法斯科將無法看到的

But it won't stop him spending the next seven months traveling the globe promoting his vision.

但這不會停止他花費接下來的七個月　去環遊世界宣傳他的願景

It's called "The Venus Project" and he says "50 million people around the world

叫作"金星計畫" 而他說全世界有五千萬人

are now involved or aware of it,"

正在參與其中或知道這個計畫

but of what? I caught up with Jacque earlier today and asked if

但那又怎樣？　我今天稍早聯絡上法斯科並問他

what he was promoting was, quite simply, utopia?

他正在宣傳的是否僅是烏托邦？

No. There's no such thing.

不　沒有這種東西

The reason there's no such thing as utopia, is because,

烏托邦這種東西沒有道理

if you design the best building you know how to design,

因為 如果你設計了你認知內最佳的建築物

that's the best you know up to now.

那只是你到那一刻為止 所知最好的

With the advent of new material, the city will keep changing.

隨著新材質的出現　城市將會改變

There's no best laptop.

沒有最好的筆記型電腦

Next year they'll be smaller, lighter, wider range.

下一年將會有更小　更輕　種類更多的

Cameras no longer use film.

像是不再使用底片的相機

So you can't design the best camera.

因此你無法設計最佳的相機

You can only design the best that you know of up to now.

你只能設計到目前為止 你所知道最好的

No utopias, no final frontiers.

沒有烏托邦　沒有最後極限

But for you, your vision of the future...

但對你來說　你對未來的願景...

...is always changing.

...總是在改變

But you look at some of your designs, some of your visions for the future,

但看看一些你的設計　和一些你對未來的願景

and people say, "Yeah, look it's like you might have seen in popular mechanics from the 50s."

人們會說：「對啦　看起來就像是 你可能在1950年代看到的大眾機械那樣」

You know, "This is what's going to be like in 1999..."

你懂的　「這會是1999年機械的樣子...」之類的

No. Nothing like that.

不　不是像那樣

Hollywood shows you spaceships and people using laser weapons.

好萊塢秀給你看太空船和使用雷射武器的人們

They take the same cowboys and indians, and put' em in spaceships.

但他們叫上同樣的牛仔和印第安人　並把他們放到太空船裡

That is not the future.

這不是未來

That's man's concept of this limited society that doesn't teach you how to think and look ahead.

這是人們的預設　這個受限的社會未教導你如何思考並向前看

If we don't live in accordance with the nature of the Earth,

如果我們的生活 未與地球的自然資源達成和諧

if we don't live in accordance with the natural resources, we can't live.

如果我們未與自然資源達成和諧　我們就活不了

You can't designate a population of 10 million without doing a study of the resources you have.

你不能指引一千萬人　而卻不去調查研究你擁用的資源

After you study, we have enough resources to support so many billions of people and

在你調查研究之後　我們就有足夠的資源 來維持好幾十億人的生活

if you exceed that, you're going to have starvation, malnutrition, territorial disputes.

如果你超過資源的用量　你將會有饑餓　營養不良　領土紛爭

If you maintain a population in accordance with the carrying capacity of the Earth,

如果你維持的人口 與地球的承載能力符合一致

no opinions of senators.

就不需要參議員的意見

Politics was great... a hundred years ago.

政治在好幾百年前是好的

Today it's all obsolete.

今日它已完全過時了

You're talking revolution.

你在講革命

No.

不

When society breaks down...

當社會崩潰時...

Technical revolution...

科技革命...

...but when society breaks down then they'll want to do it a different way.

...但當社會崩潰時　人們將會想用不同的方式去做事

I'm sorry about that, but it seems that conditions were so abusive, in some lands,

我對此感到遺憾　但看起來狀況在某些國家中是如此泛濫

that they put in socialism, communism, whatever, or fascism;

以致於人們加入社會主義　共產主義　其它東西　或法西斯主義

that fits the conditions that people live under.

試圖使其符合人們生活的情況

None of them are the solution.

但這些都不是解決辦法

All governments, all through history, have been corrupt.

有史以來　所有的政府一直都是腐敗的

You must know that people look at your concepts.

你一定知道人們檢視你的概念

Yes, I have...

是的　我了解

...and with utmost respect, Jacque, they will say, "You're a crazy old man."

...雅克　最極端的說法是人們會說：「你這個瘋老頭」

I understand that. This is not unusual.

我了解這些反應　這是很正常的

Every move from women's rights, to child labor, were fought with battles, all the time.

一直以來　人類的每一步　從女權運動到童工權益都充滿著鬥爭

No new system ever came in smoothly.

新的體系沒有一個能平穩出現的

Man is the dumbest animal. He pollutes the ocean, the air, the rivers, the atmosphere, and people.

人類是最蠢的動物 把海洋汙染如灰　汙染了空氣　河川　大氣和人類本身

They put themselves on a pedestal, [and say] they were the highest form of life.

人類...把自己視為完人 認為自己是「萬物之靈」

That's an ego trip. They're not. We're not civilized yet.

這是自我滿足 人們不是萬物之靈 我們尚未文明化

As long as you have prisons, police, armies, navies; we are not civilized.

只要你有監獄 警察 軍隊 海軍 那我們就不文明

Until the world learns to live together, constructively,

直到世界學習一起建設生活

that'll be the beginning of the scientific age.

那才會是科學時代的開始

We're not there yet.

我們尚未到達那一步

Look at you now, you're touring around, you're talking to people.

看看你 你正在四處環遊與人們對談

Yes.

是的

And you're 94 years old.

而且你94歲了

Yes.

是的

You haven't got anything better to do?

你沒有更想做的事嗎？

No. Not now, I'm afraid of the direction that man is taking.

沒有　不是現在　我擔心人類正在前進的方向

We have bombs now that are like a thousand times greater than the one dropped on Hiroshima.

我們現在有威力比投在廣島的原子彈 還強上數千倍的炸彈

How stupid can you be? What can you accomplish with that?

人類能蠢到何種地步？　你用炸彈可以成就什麼呢？

The United States has 300 submarines, and according to the Navy,

美國有300艘潛水艇　而且據海軍的說法

each one has more destructive power than all the wars in history;

每一艘的武力 都比歷史上所有戰爭的總武力還更具毀滅性

what are you going to accomplish with that? A burnt-out radioactive planet;

你用這個將能成就什麼呢？　一個燃燒殆盡　充滿輻射物質的星球

you won the war?

你贏得了戰爭？

What do you win?

你贏得了什麼？

It's much easier to bring the nations of the world together, not kill those that don't agree with you.

更簡單的是把世界上的國家團結在一起 而不是殺了那些不同意你的人

Bring them together...

團結國家...

Is your life in danger?

你的生命受到威脅嗎？

My life is always in danger, it's always been in danger.

我的生命總是受到威脅　總是受到威脅

I developed the first flying wing aircraft, I had nothing but trouble.

我開發了第一架飛翼式飛行器　後來我得到的只有麻煩

I do all I can do, rather than fear death. I don't fear death.

我盡我所能而不是害怕死亡　我不畏懼死亡

I fear where man is going. The hell they can produce is unbelievable.

我害怕人類的去向　人類能製造出的鬼屁問題是無法置信的

Because of human, not really human stupidity, they're not educated in our schools.

因為人們沒有受到我們想法的熏陶　而不是人們真的愚蠢

If I took every soldier, I would educate them to be problem solvers, not killing machines.

如果我帶領每一位士兵 我會教育他們成為問題解決者　而不是殺人機器

An amazing guy, he once joined the Ku Klux Klan

一位不可思議的人　他曾經加入三K黨(種族主義組織　奉行白人至上)

just to persuade them that what they were doing was wrong.

只為了說服他們的作為是錯的

Look, in case you're wondering about that flying wing aircraft Jacque mentioned there,

萬一你對雅克提到的飛翼式飛行器感到好奇　聽著：

he was working at Douglas Aircraft when the first Northrop flying wing was developed.

他曾在道格拉斯飛行器公司工作　開發了第一架諾斯洛普飛翼

In layman's terms, it's a bit like the predecessor to the Stealth Bomber.

用外行人的話來說　它有點像隱形轟炸機的前身

The technology Jacque Fresco designed went on to be patented by the US Air Force.

雅克．法斯科設計出的科技　受到美國空軍的專利保障

Now if you're interested in hearing more,

如果你有興趣聽到更多

he's going to be giving a lecture at Auckland tomorrow night.

他明晚在奧克蘭將有一場演講

I think that's at the Hopetoun Alpha; the details will be on our website

我想會是在霍普頓．阿爾法　細節會在我們的網站上

and we'll have the full interview available there as well.

而我們也將在那裡進行完整的訪談