字幕列表 影片播放 列印所有字幕 列印翻譯字幕 列印英文字幕 The views expressed in these interviews are those of the participants alone 在這些訪談中傳達的觀點 只是受訪者的觀點 and do not necessarily reflect the views of the producers or its sponsors. 並不必然反映出製片者和其贊助商的觀點 Orion Network Films LLP 獵戶座網路影片有限責任合夥 In Association with PositiveTV 與"正面電視"聯合製作 Directed by Mark Waters 導演:馬克·沃特斯 Presents 呈獻 The Summary 概要 The Zeitgeist Movement 時代精神運動 My name is Peter Joseph. 我叫彼德.約瑟夫 I am currently the de facto founder of an organization called The Zeitgeist Movement 我目前是"時代精神運動"的組織創建人 which is seeking to alter the current cultural climate, if you will 尋求改變目前的文化氛圍 如果你想這麼理解的話 into something that can be considered as actually sustainable 使其成為可被真正認為是永續的氛圍 for not just one nation or class but all the world's people. 不只是為了一個國家或階級 而是為了世界上所有人 The Zeitgeist Movement 時代精神運動 We live in a paradigm, now, where we have society operating 現在我們生活於其中的模式 其社會運作的想法是 on the idea that we can grow infinitely. 我們可以無限制地增長 Therefore, we keep buying and consuming regardless of how many resources we have. 因此 我們持續購買並消費 而不管我們有多少資源 This creates a collision course with nature, which the world is figuring out right about now 這與自然的軌道產生了衝突 而世界正在瞭解到這一點 on many levels, that the Earth is essentialy a closed system. 即許多層面上 地球實際上是一個封閉的系統 It took billions of years to create the minerals we have. 我們擁用的礦物質要花上數百萬年才形成 It took many, many hundreds of millions of years 也要花上好幾億年的時間 to create the fossil fuels which govern everything we have. 才形成主導著我們所有事物的石化燃料 And, amazingly enough, we've created this system 然而足以令人吃驚的是 我們創造了這個系統 where we're using all of our resources 其中我們耗用了所有的資源 to create the economic growth required to sustain employment and everything else. 以創造必要的經濟成長來維持就業和其它東西 And simultaneously, we're diminishing our resources at a near exponential rate 而同時我們也正以指數級的速率 消耗著我們的資源 it seems, as population continues to grow 看起來人口持續增加 and no one seems to understand that it's an absolute clash 但似乎無人瞭解 這是一個根本的矛盾衝突 and that eventually we're going to run out of pivotal resources 而最終我們將耗竭核心的資源 and eventually you're going to see things, I don't know, 最後你將會看到 我不確定 like the human population start to dwindle down. 像是人口開始銳減 -My name is Jacque Fresco 我叫雅克.法斯科 and I'm going to present the concepts of The Venus Project. 我將簡介金星計畫的概念 The Venus Project 金星計畫 If you don't want war 如果你不想要有戰爭 if you don't want poverty 如果你不想要有貧困 hunger 飢餓 unemployment 失業 you have to declare all the Earth's resources 那麼你就必須宣告世界上所有的資源 as the common heritage of all the world's people. 是全世界人們的共同遺產傳承 All the artificial boundaries have to be removed 所有的人為邊界必須要移除 so that people can travel anywhere. 讓人們能到處旅遊移動 It has to be a global society. 必須是一個全球性的社會 There are many people that feel "Well, let's develop each country." 有許多人會覺得 "嗯 那讓我們發展每一個國家吧" You can't do that because if the Russians do experiments with nuclear materials 但你不能如此做 因為如果俄國人進行核子材料的實驗 and the Chinese, that air goes all over the world. 接著中國也如此做 那這個氛圍會擴散到全世界 So it's very hard to work independently. 所以獨立做事是非常困難的 So, I would say, if you want these things 因此我會說 如果你想要達成上述目標 you have to change the way your society operates. 你就必須改變社會運行的方式 We believe, here at The Venus Project, we are not civilized yet. 在金星計畫這裡 我們認為我們尚未文明化 As long as you have armies, navies, prisions, police, we are not civilized. 只要你有軍隊 海軍 監獄 警察 那我們就不文明 No nation is civilized. 沒有一個國家是文明的 Being civilized is an ongoing process. 成為文明是一個持續的過程 The more we learn, the more we know about the environment and human relations 我們學到的越多 我們就越懂得環境和人類之間的關聯 the more we're able to deal with the problems. 我們就越能處理問題 If we fail to do that, we won't be able to solve problems. 如果我們做不到這一點 我們就不能解決問題 If we go with traditional values, we won't be able to solve problems. 如果我們照著傳統價值觀走 我們將不能解決問題 All of these pump-primers do not work. 這些所有負責刺激經濟的政府官員都沒用 There's always been wars. The wars have continued to get worse 總是一直有戰爭 戰爭一直持續惡化 even though the universities today have the most sophisticated equipment 即使今日的大學有最複雜精密的設備 in the science labs, the architectural labs, all the labs 在實驗室裡 像是建築實驗室 所有的實驗室等 and the wars are getting worse. Explosions are getting worse. 然而戰爭卻變得更糟 爆炸越來越嚴重 Since the atom bomb, the explosive power is much worse. 自從原子彈問世以來 爆炸性的力量越來越強大 So, there's something definitely wrong with all cultures. 因此所有的文明絕對都有問題 When I say wrong, I mean that the system doesn't work. 我說有問題的意思是 這個系統是無效的 Now, to talk about a system that does work is a little foreign to our habits of thought. 對我們目前的慣性思維來說 談論一個確實有效的系統是有點陌生 I'm going to try to explain how we make decisions. 我會試著解釋我們如何作出決策 Actually, we don't make decisions. 事實上 我們不是作決策 We arrive at them. 我們是"達成"決策 -The only way a real society can operate, period, is in a steady-state economy 社會唯一真正能運行的方式 是處在經濟穩定的狀態中 meaning you don't have the mechanism of constantly needing to do anything 意味著你沒有一直需要去做事情的機制 other than being sustainable in your every day living 除了使你每日的生活變得永續 and having society recognize the attributes of sustainability which are required. 並讓社會認知到必要的永續屬性 That's the value-system orientation needed to create a stable society. 這就是必要的價值導向系統 以創造一個穩定的社會 As a brief extension of this, we live in a materialistic culture. 簡短延伸這個論點 我們生活在物質主義的文化中 We live in a culture that's predicated on inferiority 我們生活的文化是奠基於低劣 次等 自卑 and people thinking that they need more and more and more because of many reasons 而因為各種的理由 人們認為自己需要更多 because of someone else having more, status-oriented issues, so on and so forth. 因為別人有更多東西 由地位所引發的問題等等 And that fuels into this mechanism of the growth economy 這點為經濟成長的機制火上加油 of getting more and more. Holidays... 即要得到更多東西 所以在假日時 People give each other gifts. These are inventions for economics. 人們給彼此禮物 這些是為了經濟而發明的 -As long as we use money and the bottom line is profit 只要我們使用金錢且底線是獲取利潤 then those who control the money are able to make the laws in their favor. 那麼那些掌控著金錢的人 就可以訂定有利於他們的法律 And that means that they really don't care about people. 而這意味著他們真的不管其它人 They care about wealth, property and power when that is the main incentive. 他們關心財富 資產 和權力 當這些是東西主要動機時 So, when we use the monetary system, there is no justice within this system. 也就是說 當我們使用金融貨幣體系 體系內就不會有公義 There's no making this system equitable. 就不會使這個體系平等 What we need is an entirely new system that we call a Resource- Based Economy. 我們需要的是一個全新的系統 我們稱之為資源導向型經濟 Resource-Based Economy 資源導向型經濟 -In regard to social operation and how to create a new society 關於社會的運作 與如何創造一個新社會 or better yet just to say to create any society that would be sustainable and efficient 或是說 創造任何將會是永續和有效率的社會 there's really an empirical train of thought, if you will, on how to do that. 如果你想要的話 真的會有一連串關於如何達成的實際想法 First of all, you have to think about what the human being actually needs. 首先 你必須考慮人類真正需要什麼 We require resources at the bare minimum. 我們最低限度需要的資源是 We require food, water, etc, as we all know. 食物 水等等 眾所皆知 Therefore, resources become the most paramount subject. 因此 資源變成最重要的主題 Resources in fact should be the foundation of any economic structure. 資源事實上應該是任何經濟結構的基礎 So, what do you do? If you consider that the Earth is a closed finite system. 所以你要做什麼呢? 如果你考慮到地球是一個封閉的有限系統 -First thing you have to do is a survey of the Earth's resources 你必須做的第一件事是調查地球上的資源 and the carrying capacity of the environment. 及環境的承載能力 If you produce a population far in excess of the carrying capacity of the environment 如果你產生的人口 遠遠超過環境的承載能力 you're going to have trouble. 你就會有麻煩 You're going to have malnutrition and all the problems that go with it. 你就會有營養不良和所有隨之而來的問題 So, first we have to find out what can each successive environment carry 因此我們必須找出 每一個相繼而來的環境能承載什麼 and maintain a population in accordance with the carrying capacity of the Earth. 並維持人口 使其與地球的承載能力達成平衡 Not what I like or somebody else likes or some politician notions. 而不是我喜歡什麼或其它人喜歡什麼 或一些政治家的意見 It has to be based upon the carrying capacity of the Earth. 必須奠基於地球的承載能力之上 -To organize a structure based on the intelligent management of the Earth resources 根據對地球資源的智慧管理 來組織一個結構 you start from, essentially, the base level of where is everything. 實際上 你要從每件事物的根本開始做起 So, you look at the planet and you say 你看著這個星球然後說: "Ok, we see we have iron ore here. We have petroleum deposits here," "好吧 我看到我們這裡有鐵礦石 我們在那裡有石油儲備" if we're using petroleum at that point in time 如果我們當時使用石油 in the future. Hopefully we will not be because it's damaging. 在未來我們就不會用 因為石油是有害的 "We have places for great wind energy here." You get the point. "我們這裡有好的風力能源場地" 你得到重點了 We can assess the entire environment of what we currently use 我們可以評估整個環境 和目前使用的東西 based on our technological facilities at that point 根據我們當時的科技設施 and we start to create a structure of analysis, maintenance and management 然後我們開始創造一個分析 維護 和管理的結構 and basically monitor and understand what we have. 並基本上監控著我們瞭解的東西 -Then we can design the parameters for the new society. 那麼我們就可以為新的社會設計參數 Without a survey we couldn't do that. 如果沒有調查 我們就不能這樣做 Survey means physical disabilities, all the known diseases. 調查意味著物理上的缺陷 所有已知的疾病 That tells us how many hospitals we have to build. 告訴我們必須蓋多少座醫院 Of course, the survey would include available materials. 當然 調查將會包括可取得的物質 Otherwise, if you just sit down and turn out a hospital or turn out a social plan 否則如果你只是坐下來 然後變出一座醫院或一項社會計畫 not based on what you have 這不是根據你所擁有的觀點 not based on what Fresco believes, only statistical evidence. 也不是根據本人相信的觀點 而是根據統計的證據 The end of "What's your opinion? What's your opinion?" "你的意見是什麼?你的意見是什麼?" 這種方式 should have been gone in 1927. 在1927年早就該消失了 -Then you move to the next level. How do we utilize resources in the most efficient way? 接著你移動到下一個階段 我們如何以最有效率的方式利用資源? Technology is the methodology to harness any type of resources we have. 科技是控管我們任何資源類型的方法 Technology is the growing intellectual field that allows us to know 科技是成長中的智識領域 允許我們瞭解 how to manipulate our environment for our betterment 如何管理我們的環境 以改善自身 and to be more sustainable, hopefully. 並希望能變得更永續 So what we do is we utilize our technical information 因此我們做的是利用我們的科技資訊 and then we analyze the planetary resources. 然後分析星球上的資源 Then we build from the ground up an entire infrastructure 接著重新建立整個基礎建設 not based on the whims of any type of ideology, capitalist, socialist, fascist 而不是根據任何種類意識型態的嘟嚷 像是資本主義者 社會主義者 法斯西主義者 whatever, what have you, communist. 或任何你想到的 像共產主義者 You do it based explicitly on the most efficient means to do it 你明確地根據最有效率的方式去達成 with the most peak efficiency possible based on the technology available at the time 基於到時侯可用的科技 以及知識資源 the intellectual resource of the time. 儘可能利用最高的效率 You have peak efficiency and sustainability as your goal. 你的目標是最高效率和永續性 You just simply weigh all parameters when you analyze anything 當你在分析任何事情時 只要考量到所有的變數 and then you're going to build a society that is, essentially 那麼你就會建造一個實際上 for lack of a better expression, perfect. 完美(找不到更好的表達)的社會 It's not perfect at all because it's going to constantly change 這不是完美 因為它會不斷改變 but it's the best you can do at that point in time 但那是到時侯 你所能做到的最好地步 which I think would be a variance of perfection. 我認為這是完美的另一種變化 A Resource-Based Economy does not use money, barter or any form of servitude. 資源導向型經濟不使用金錢 以物易物 或任何型態的屈服奴役... It just makes goods and services available to everybody 它只是透過對科技的智慧使用 through intelligent use of technology. 把物品和服務提供給每一個人 Creative Director / Cinematographer / Director: Mark Waters 創意總監/攝影/導演:馬克·沃特斯 Producer: Frank Da Silva 製片:法蘭克達席爾瓦 Executive Producers: Dana Amma Day, Nicholas Pilbrow 執行製作:達納阿瑪黛 尼可拉斯皮爾布羅 Production Assistant: Simon G. Powell 製作助理:賽門鮑威爾 Storyboard Artist: Alexander Ward 腳本藝術家:亞歷山力瓦德 An Earth 2 Production for Orion Network Films LLP 地球2.0為獵戶座網路影片有限責任合夥製片 In Association with Positive TV and JustLivinFilm 與"正面電視"和justlivinfilm聯合製作 Filmed on Location: Venus, Florida / New York City, NY 影片拍攝地點:佛羅里達州 金星/紐約市
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