Name: 彼得-約瑟夫在RT - 新的價值秩序 - 2011-09-14 (Peter Joseph on RT - New value order - 2011-09-14)
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If those folks out on the street that Adriana interviewed are representative

如果阿德瑞娜在街上採訪的那些人具有代表性的話

程度副詞

many people blame Obama or even past-president George Bush

那麼許多人會責怪歐巴馬或甚至前總統喬治·布希

轉承詞

for the country's current problems and though we have seen

要為目前美國的問題負責  而且雖然我們已看到

a slew of bad news out for Obama, just to give you a handful:

歐巴馬有許多負面新聞  以下就舉例給各位看:

his approval ratings are 43%. They used to be 69%.

A NY Senate seat historically held by a Democrat

而且紐約一席參議員歷史上是由民主黨掌握

went to a Republican for the first time since 1923.

但現在自從1923年之後首次轉移給共和黨

Solyndra, the solar panel making plant who got stimulus money

Solyndra是一家太陽能板工廠  得到紓困金額

is facing bankruptcy and is now a scandal for the administration

但正面臨破產而且現在有管理醜聞

而且我們發現貧窮率達到歷史新高

But my next guest argues this is not about Obama.

但我的下一位來賓主張說問題不在於歐巴馬

It is about needing a total overhaul of society.

And Peter Joseph, filmmaker and founder of the Zeitgeist Movement

而彼德·約瑟夫為製片者和時代精神運動的創建人

coming off of his inaugural Zeitgeist Media Festival

舉行了時代精神運動媒體節的開幕後

現在到這裡來談論他的解決方案

Thank you for being here. It's nice to see you.

So to start out...- Thank you for having me. - Absolutely!

主播:那麼就開始...  PJ:謝謝你們的邀請  主播:當然!

You argue the solutions to social problems are not politics.

你主張說社會問題的解決方式不是政治

What exactly are the solutions called for by the Zeitgeist Movement?

時代精神運動訴求的解決方案到底是什麼?

To understand the solutions you really have to understand

為了認識到解決方案  你真的必須瞭解到

In the broad view what we're faced with right now is basically the end

of a paradigm with respect to our social system.

是我們社會體系模式的一種終結

It's not ending because of some bad policy

or some political malfeasance or any kind of economic issue.

或一些政治瀆職或任何種類的經濟問題

It's ending because it can no longer sustain itself

但它也正在終結  因為它不再能維持自身

by the natural evolution of human society and technology

也因為人類社會的自然演變和科技發展

and the inherent mechanisms that define this system

which are slowly growing out of control like a cancer.

正緩慢地逐漸像癌症般失去控制

例如我們有一個以債務為基礎的貨幣體系

Interest is charged on the money that's loaned

that doesn't exist outright in the money supply.

而利息本身完全未存在於金錢供應中

is really why you see these sovereign debt defaults

為何你會看到這些主權債務違約的核心

corporate debt defaults, personal debt defaults across the world.

另外還有世界各地的企業債務違約 個人債務違約

We have $60 trillion of private and public debt in America alone.

光是在美國我們就有60兆美元的私人和公共債務

You can do the math on how much that is per person.

你可以用數學算一下每個人要負擔多少

It's only going to grow as well and this is just the nature of this system.

債務也只會持續增加  因為這就是這個體系的本質

We have an unemployment crisis, which is really driven by technology.

我們有失業危機  但這點其實是因為科技發展所導致

Technological unemployment has been the major attribute

科技性失業一直都是失業的主要原因

that has moved people from sector to sector.

使人們從一個部門轉移到另一個部門

The illusion of most economists is that they say

大部份經濟學家的幻想是  他們說

What happens is (and you can see this if you track

the industrial revolution to the modern point you see this very clearly)

工業革命到現代的軌跡的話  就會非常清楚看到)

but what happens is we start off with a certain sector: everyone's employed.

但發生的是我們從某個部門開始:每個人都被僱用

Technology comes in, displaces human labor and slowly other sectors emerge

接著科技進來了  取代人類勞動  然後慢慢地浮現其它的部門

usually on the basis of other technologies. It's a natural consequence

這些部門又通常基於其它科技而發展  這是自然的後果

but it actually isn't a resolution and actually isn't creating anything.

但實際上這不是解決方案  而且實際上並沒有創造出任何工作

What we're going to end up with is the necessity to have everyone either a lawyer

我們將會看到的結果是  每個人要不都會變成律師

or working in the entertainment industry because there's no way

要不就是演藝人員(等無生產力的行業)  因為沒有其它方式

you're going to have a manufacturing sector with people actually employed.

去創造"製造業"  而且還能讓人們實際上受雇

There's no way you're going to have a service sector with people actually employed

你不會有其它方式去讓服務業裡的人們充份就業

because the cost efficiency that's enabled by technology

What happened to Bank of America recently? They just laid off 40,000 people.

最近美國銀行發生了什麼事?  他們剛剛解雇了四萬名員工

Do they understand what they're doing? They're actually laying off...

他們瞭解他們在做什麼嗎?  他們實際上正在解雇...

I just want to get in here to continue the conversation

我想在這裡插一下話以繼續進行對話

because how do you separate out... I hear what you're saying about technology

因為你如何分離...  我聽到你在談論科技

and about the entertainment industry. I've lived in LA

but I do want to know how you can separate out

all of the jobs that we've seen go overseas to countries like China

我們所看到已轉移到海外中國的所有工作

and all of the people we've seen move into

a financial system that people say is overbanked in this country.

他們移動至銀行過度氾濫的金融體系?

There have been a transition in industry and jobs.

There absolutely have been, but the question is

when you have 96% of the human population mostly in the West

which has the majority of the labor working in the service sector

在服務業中  而且是主要的勞動力

which is now being replaced by automated kiosks

and many other advanced technological mediums, where is the next sector?

以及許多其它先進的科技媒介所取代  那下一個部門是哪裡?

I want to point out that I look at this on a global scale.

我想要指出  我是以全球的規模來看待

I'm not interested in American unemployment or in any country's specifics

我對美國或任何特定國家的失業不感興趣

because it's one society. It's one world, one economy.

因為這是一整個社會  這是一整個世界和經濟

Why will the majority of people eventually be unemployed on the planet?

為什麼地球上大部份的人最終會失業?

That's because of technology. You can forget about outsourcing and all of that.

就是因為科技  你可以忘掉外包這些所有東西

The only thing to learn from that is that industry and its prime motivation

唯一從這點可以學到的事情是  產業和它對於

to corporation shareholders, is to make sure they maintain a profit.

企業股東的主要動機  就是要確保維持利潤

Displacing human labor because of the cost-efficiency

is the contradiction and collapse of capitalism

that many economic theorists have talked about for the past 100 years

許多經濟理論家談論的資本主義的矛盾與崩潰

This is an inevitable evolution and it's not going to stop.

這是無可避免的演變  而且不會停下來

The solution is a completely different reordering

解決方案是一個完全不同的重新建構

of how we actually engage materials, how we create production

關於我們實際上如何運用物資的秩序  我們如何創造生產

and how people actually contribute to society. If you recognize this reality

以及人們如何實際貢獻社會  如果你認知到以下現實

that the market system as we know it which is the bedrock

of the capitalist free enterprise system, whatever you want to call it...

是資本主義或自由企業體系的根基  不論你想稱呼它是什麼...

If we recognize this phenomenon as phasing out and mark my words

如果我們認知到這種淘汰人力的現象  並注意我的話

the jobs are not coming back across the board. They can't!

工作是不會回來了  因為無法回來!

The system will not enable it by its inherent logic.

這個體系由於內在的邏輯將不會允許這點

When you realize this, you start to open up your mind.

當你理解這點  你就會開始打開你的心

You think to yourself "If technology can provide

你就會自己想  "如果科技能提供

all of these tools to enhance production..."

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