>> I'm so happy that you're here.

我很高興妳在這裡

And Oprah said yes right away.

妳和歐普拉都很快答應演出

I saw you at my birthday party and

我在生日派對遇到妳

I asked you to play that part, and you right away said yes.

我問妳是否願意軋一角，妳馬上就說好

>> Yes. >> As well, and

-是啊 -和歐普拉一樣

what do you remember about that when you think back?

當妳回想時，有什麼印象深刻的事嗎？

>> I remember just listening just now to the two of you,

光聽妳們剛說的...

I remember the same bliss of getting to be part of supporting you and

我覺得我真的很幸運，當時能夠參與演出

this moment, and what a privilege and an honor it felt like.

我也深感榮幸

And I didn't think twice and

我當時二話不說便答應演出

it's so amazing that the three of us never talked after.

我只是很驚訝，我們之後竟然都沒聊過這件事

>> Ever. >> About all the things we went through.

-是啊 -談談那時我們經歷的事情

And shared because it was only after I'd said yes and

我答應邀約...

we were starting it that I started getting calls which was so

然後演出後，我開始接到關切的電話

shocking to me of friends and colleagues,

我真的很驚訝，朋友與同事打給我

even gay friends and colleagues, saying are you sure you want to do that?

甚至同志友人也來關心，他們問，妳真的想做這件事嗎？

That seems scary.

這聽起來很可怕

Are you worried?

妳會擔心嗎？

And I didn't have a worry at all.

我是完全不擔心啦

>> You're like, worried about what?

妳會想說...到底要擔心什麼啊？

>> Yeah.

是啊

>> Yeah, and then you were punished as well.

是的，但妳之後卻嚐到苦果

You didn't work for a year, just because you were on that show.

妳整整一年沒有工作，只因為妳參與演出

>> Yeah. >> And you're not even gay, but

-是啊 -更何況妳還不是同性戀

people thought you were gay.

但大家以為妳是

Yes.

是啊

>> I hurt straight people through this.

我連異性戀朋友都害慘了

I'm hurting everyone.

我害大家受苦

So yeah, it was unbelievable, that when

這真的很難置信

I talked to you after that that you were punished as well and not able to work.

我們後來曾聊過此事，我們都丟掉工作

And but the thing about that, you were so comforting in that scene.

但我得說...妳在那場戲大大安撫了我的情緒

Because saying, I'm gay, gay people just,

因為向世人宣告「我是同志」

for you straight people out there, gay people don't just go around saying,

在異性戀面前出櫃，我們才不會無聊到見人就出櫃

I'm gay, because you don't need to for the people that know you're gay.

別人不需要知道我的性向

So, no one says it.

所以沒人會大聲宣告出櫃

So, for those words to come out of my mouth for the very first time,

所以，要我從嘴裡第一次說出那幾個字

to say I'm gay, even rehearsing it, I would burst into tears every single time.

向大家出櫃，即使只是彩排，每次講那句話時我眼淚都止不住

>> I have to say, just watching the clip, it made me so emotional.

我得說...光看影片就讓我想哭

Because of all the things I feel privileged to experience in my life,

我覺得我好榮幸可以經歷這一刻

as a human but also as an actor, there's no greater gift than being

不論是身為人或演員都一樣，獲得別人信任是最棒的禮物

the person that was with you and looking in your eyes as you said those words.

對方願意看著你的眼睛對你出櫃

And when we did rehearse, you even whispered to me once,

我們在排演時，妳有次甚至偷偷和我說

maybe I'm not going to say it cuz I haven't said that out loud.

我可能說不出口，因為我從沒大聲出櫃過

And watching you have this catharsis or ritual and the audience support.

在旁邊看到妳情緒全然釋放，觀眾也完全接納

And sort of holding, literally holding each other.

有點像是互相扶持般

I remember kind of holding each other up through this very emotional moment,

大家彼此扶持，共度這感人的時刻

it was so profound.

這非常感人

And I feel so blessed that I got to be there and witness that.

我覺得自己何其幸運，得以參與見證這一刻

>> Well, thank you for being there for me because it really was a charged moment.

謝謝妳當時的支持，因為這個時刻對我來說非常重要

It was really amazing.

這真的很棒

And people so, I mentioned that people assumed you're gay.

我記得大家好像以為妳是同性戀

I don't think they do anymore.

但他們現在不這麼想了

You got married, not that means anything a lot of people get married just to pretend.

因為妳結婚了，不過也是有同志假結婚啦

But you were married and have kids and

但妳結婚、有小孩了

of course you and Gayle are still in a relationship, right?

而妳和密友金恩還沒分手，對吧？

>> I think me being on that show didn't help that situation at all.

我上這節目反而讓我陷入同志疑雲

I mean, thanks a lot.

謝謝妳喔

Just stoking the fire.

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