and a life that you love. In our fast paced world, it’s really easy to miss the beauty

和你愛的生活。在我們這個快節奏的世界裡，真的很容易錯過美好的事物。

that’s often right in front of our face. And today my guest has devoted his entire

往往就在我們的面前。而今天我的客人已經把他的整個

career to giving us a glimpse of the magic and the wonder that surrounds us each and

的職業生涯，讓我們看到了我們身邊的神奇和奇蹟，每一個人都是如此。

every day.

每天都有。

Louie Schwartzberg is an award-winning producer, director, and cinematographer who’s been

路易-施瓦茨伯格是一位屢獲殊榮的製片人、導演和攝影師，他一直以來都在為自己的作品而努力。

shooting time-lapse 24/7 continuously for nearly 4 decades. Schwartzberg is a visual

近40年來，24/7連續拍攝延時攝影。Schwartzberg是一個視覺

artist breaking barriers and telling stories that celebrate nature and life. Two of his

藝術家打破壁壘，講述頌揚自然和生命的故事。他的兩幅作品

recent TEDx talks are regularly cited among the top watched of all time. A 15 episode

最近的TEDx演講經常被列為最受歡迎的演講之一。一個15集的

web series based on his viral video, Gratitude Revealed, is currently on Oprah.com and he

根據他的病毒視頻《感恩揭祕》改編的網絡系列節目，目前正在奧普拉網站上播出，而他本人也在網上發佈了自己的視頻。

was a guest on Super Soul Sunday. His moving art series, which explores the beauty and

是《超級靈魂星期天》的嘉賓。他的動人的藝術系列，探討了美與美的關係。

majesty of nature, is available on Netflix. His most recent films include Wings of Life,

大自然的威嚴，可在Netflix上觀看。他最近的電影包括《生命之翼》。

narrated by Meryl Streep, and Mysteries of the Unseen World, an IMAX film narrated by

由梅麗爾-斯特里普（Meryl Streep）解說，以及《看不見的世界之謎》（Mysteries of Unseen World），一部IMAX電影，由梅麗爾-斯特里普解說。

Forest Whitaker. Over his long trailblazing career, Schwartzberg has earned a myriad of

Forest Whitaker。在他漫長的開拓性職業生涯中，施瓦茨伯格贏得了無數的榮譽。

awards and honors and was recognized as one of the top 70 cinematographers for the on

獎和榮譽，並被公認為是70位最優秀的電影攝影師之一。

film Kodak salute series.

柯達禮炮系列。

Louie, thank you so much for taking the time to be here today.

路易，非常感謝你今天抽出時間來這裡。

Great to be here.

很高興來到這裡。

So you’re a pioneer in the field of time-lapse photography. What inspired you to get into

所以你是延時攝影領域的先驅。是什麼啟發你進入

this unique aspect of filmmaking?

這種獨特的電影製作方式？

Well, when I graduated from UCLA I wanted to shoot the highest quality resolution film

當我從加州大學洛杉磯分校畢業的時候，我想拍攝最高品質的分辨率的膠片。

I could, but I didn't have any money. So I got involved with time lapse because I could

我可以，但我沒有'錢。 所以我參與了時間推移，因為我可以。所以，我參與了時間推移，因為我可以。

shoot one frame every 20 minutes and it would take me a month or two to shoot a roll of

每20分鐘拍一幀，而我要花一兩個月的時間來拍攝一卷

film, which was four minutes, and that enabled me to kind of do high quality cinematography

四分鐘的電影，這讓我可以進行高質量的攝影工作。

but, at the same time, not spend a lot of money. But in addition to that, it really

但同時，又不會花很多錢。但除此之外，它真的

filled my sense of wonder. I mean, being able to see the world from a different time and

充滿了我的好奇心。我的意思是，能夠看到的世界 從不同的時間，並

space, it changes your worldview. It broadens your horizons. I mean, to see the world from

空間，它改變了你的世界觀。它擴大了你的視野。我的意思是，看世界從

the point of view of a flower or the point of view of a mosquito or the point of view

花口或蚊口

of a redwood tree, makes you really understand that we have these narrow windows that we

讓你真正明白，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹窄的窗口，我們有這些狹

look through and if we can begin to open up that portal, it opens up your heart and definitely

如果我們能開始打開那個門戶，它就會打開你的心，絕對是。

feeds your mind and your soul.

哺育你的思想和靈魂。

Did you ever have dreams to be a traditional filmmaker in the sense of, like, I want to

你有沒有夢想過成為一個傳統的電影人，在某種意義上，就像，我想。

go to Hollywood and make those big movies? Or was this always something that you dreamed

去好萊塢拍那些大電影？還是說這一直是你的夢想

of perhaps since you were little? I was curious about that trajectory.

也許從你小時候就開始了？我很好奇這個軌跡。

Yeah, well, growing up in Brooklyn I had no idea I would ever be filming nature, let alone

是啊，在布魯克林長大的我根本不知道自己會拍攝大自然，更不用說了。

filmmaking. My parents were Holocaust survivors and if they didn't experience, well, neither

電影製作。我的父母都是大屠殺的倖存者，如果他們沒有經歷，那麼，也沒有。

did I. But when I went to UCLA I got involved in documenting the anti-war movement, which

但當我去加州大學洛杉磯分校的時候，我參與了反戰運動的記錄，這也是我的工作。

was something that was… it was a way for me to fight back, a way to record the police

是什麼，是... 這是我反擊的一種方式，一種記錄警察的方式。

brutality against the demonstrators, especially against women. And that turned me onto photography

對示威者，特別是對婦女的暴行。這讓我對攝影產生了興趣

and filmmaking, which then turned me onto my greatest teacher. She taught me everything

和電影製作，然後把我 轉向我最偉大的老師。她教會了我一切

about lighting, composition, and color. It was mother nature. And that was the path I’ve

關於燈光，構圖和色彩。這就是大自然。而這就是我所走的路

been on because mother nature teaches you really how to live a creative and sustainable

因為大自然教你如何真正過上有創意和可持續發展的生活。

life. So I followed my passion more than dreaming about being a Hollywood filmmaker and, interestingly

的生活。是以，我追隨我的激情比夢想成為一個好萊塢電影人，有趣的是

enough, Hollywood caught up to my vision because then we built a large company, they started

夠了，好萊塢趕上了我的願景，因為後來我們建立了一個大公司，他們開始。

licensing time-lapse cinematography for commercials, music videos, feature films. And not just

為商業廣告、音樂視頻、劇情片提供延時攝影許可。不僅僅是

time lapse but, you know, aerial, slice of life, contemporary imagery which did not exist

時間推移，但是，你知道，航拍，生活片， 當代影像不存在的

before. So basically I created the stock… the contemporary stock footage licensing business.

之前。所以，基本上我創建了股票... 當代股票鏡頭許可業務。

That’s incredible. And it’s something that I know in the beginning of my career

這真是不可思議。而這是我在職業生涯之初就知道的事情。

just beautiful stock photography and all those things, it made such a difference just to

只是美麗的圖片庫和所有這些東西，它做了這樣的區別，只是為了。

have these beautiful images, so thank you for pioneering that.

有這些美麗的畫面，所以感謝你的開拓。

Yeah.

是啊。

One of the things that you say that I love, that beauty and seduction are nature’s tools

你說的一件事我很喜歡，美麗和誘惑是大自然的工具

for survival. We protect what we fall in love with. Can you tell us more about that philosophy

為了生存。我們保護我們愛上的東西。你能告訴我們更多關於這種哲學

and how you’ve seen that come to life over the course of your career?

以及在你的職業生涯中，你是如何看到這一點的？

Well, I’ve had a camera going 24 hours a day 7 days a week for over 3 decades shooting

好吧，我有一個相機一天24小時，一週7天，拍攝超過30年。

time lapse flowers. Flowers are beautiful, right? You love them as well. And capturing

時間推移花。花兒很美，對嗎？你也喜歡它們。而捕捉

their beauty and the way they move to the light seduced me, and that was enough to keep

它們的美麗和它們在光下移動的方式引誘著我，這足以讓我保持

me going but I think there’s really a greater story, and that story was when I found out

但我認為真的有一個更大的故事， 而這個故事是當我發現，

that the bees were dying. Well, you can’t tell the story about the bees without telling

蜜蜂正在死亡。好吧，你不能不說關於蜜蜂的故事。

a story about flowers and how they co-evolved over 50 million years. I call it a love story

一個關於花和它們如何在五千萬年裡共同進化的故事。我稱它為一個愛情故事

that feeds the earth. So that relationship between the animal world and the plant world,

養育了地球。所以，動物世界和植物世界之間的關係。

gives us the most nutritious food we need to eat: fruits, nuts, vegetables, and seeds.

給我們提供了最有營養的食物：水果、堅果、蔬菜和種子。

It’s the foundation of life on our planet. And that relationship of pollination is based

這是我們地球上生命的基礎。而這種授粉的關係是基於

on beauty. I mean, this gorgeous flower and its color and its pattern is saying to the

關於美。我的意思是，這朵絢麗的花和它的顏色和它的花紋是在向人們說

pollinator, “Come over here, I need to reproduce. I’m ready to go, I need to be fertilized.”

授粉者，"過來，我需要繁殖。我已經準備好了，我需要受精。"

You know? So the insect, the bee, gets, you know, nectar and pollen so that it can feed

你知道嗎？ 所以昆蟲，蜜蜂，所以，昆蟲，蜜蜂，得到，你知道， 花蜜和花粉，所以它可以養活。

its young. The flower gets its DNA moved from one partner to another because plants don't

它的年輕。花得到它的DNA從一個合作伙伴移動到另一個，因為植物不'。

have legs and they can’t walk. And they can’t mate and they can’t date without

有腿卻不能走路他們不能交配，他們不能約會，沒有

a messenger. So life is all about, you know, DNA moving forward, and so beauty and seduction

一個信使。所以生活就是這樣，你知道，DNA向前發展，所以美麗和誘惑。

is nature’s way for life to move forward. And we are hardwired, just like they are.

是大自然讓生命前進的方式。而我們和他們一樣，都是硬生生的。

I mean, you’ve got a beautiful dress on today.

我的意思是，你今天穿了一件漂亮的衣服。

Thank you.

謝謝你了

The pattern and the colors are designed for my eyes to notice it. Correct?

圖案和顏色的設計是為了讓我的眼睛注意到它。對嗎？

Yeah.

是啊。

So we’re hardwired to respond to color, taste, touch, and smell. It’s… it’s

所以，我們硬生生地對顏色，味道，觸覺和嗅覺做出反應。這是... 這是

in our… well, it’s just in our soul.

在我們的... ... 嗯，它只是在我們的靈魂。

Yeah.

是啊。

Now, advertisers use it all the time to manipulate people. There’s always a pretty girl next

現在，廣告商一直在用它來操控人們。總有一個漂亮的女孩旁邊

to a car.

到一輛車。

Yeah.

是啊。

Right?

對吧？

Hopefully not so many moving forward, but yeah.

希望不要有那麼多的前進，但對。

No, but… but, you know, we, to be honest about it, they use sex all the time to sell

不，但是... ... 但是，你知道，我們，說實話吧， 他們用性所有的時間來銷售。

products.

產品。

Sure.

當然可以

And… and they’ve studied it really well because they know they can manipulate you

而且... ... 他們已經研究它真的很好 因為他們知道他們可以操縱你

in a certain way. So nature has, you know, has kind of embedded our sensibility to respond

以某種方式。所以，自然界已經，你知道，有種嵌入式 我們的敏感性，以響應... ...

to vibrations of color, light, touch, and smell. And that is what motivates, I guess

顏色、光線、觸覺和嗅覺的振動。這就是我想的動機

it… it truly makes the world go around.

它... ... 它真的讓世界轉了一圈。

Yeah. You know, I was actually thinking about that particularly for Wings of Life, which

是啊，你知道，我其實一直在想這個問題你知道，我其實是在想這個問題 特別是對於生命之翼來說，這...

is narrated by Meryl Streep, and it is a breathtaking feature from a decidedly feminine perspective.

由梅麗爾-斯特里普講述，這是一個令人歎為觀止的功能，從一個明顯的女性角度。

Right.

好吧，我知道了

And I thought that was fascinating and I was curious how you came to that choice, if you

我認為這是迷人的 我很好奇你是如何做出這個選擇的，如果你...

started the project with that in mind or if that was something that evolved from starting

開始這個項目的時候就考慮到了這一點，或者說這是從開始的時候就開始了的。

to look at the footage and what you were shooting.

來看看鏡頭和你拍攝的內容。

It really evolved. You know, most nature programs are based on predator vs prey.

它真的進化了。你知道，大多數自然節目都是基於捕食者與獵物。

Yes.

是的，我知道

Which is very manipulative and, well, it induces fear, fear and anxiety, but it gets good ratings.

這是很有操作性的，而且，它誘發了恐懼、害怕和焦慮，但它的收視率很高。

Shark Week is always the most popular show on television. But if you really study nature,

鯊魚週一直是電視上最受歡迎的節目。但如果你真的研究自然。

if you’re present and mindful and observant, it’s the little things that make the world

潤物細無聲，潤物細無聲。

go round. It’s the billions of interactions, as I said earlier, between the pollinators

循環。就像我剛才說的，傳粉者之間的數十億次的相互作用

and the flowers, it’s the foundation of life. And that story is a feminine story cuz

和花，它是生命的基礎。而這個故事是一個女性的故事，因為。

it’s about relationships, cooperation, symbiosis, nurturing. That is the foundation of life.

這是關於關係，合作，共生，培育。這是生命的基礎。

So obviously I had to tell it from a feminine point of view and who would be the… the

所以很明顯，我必須從女性的角度來講述，誰會是... ...

best female voice in the world? Meryl Streep. Right?

世界上最好的女聲？梅麗爾-斯特里普對吧？

I loved it. I mean, I keep going back to it. And I’m so thankful that there’s a portion

我喜歡它。我是說，我一直在回味它。我很感激，有一個部分。

of your work on Netflix, which I’m a subscriber. So I was just sitting there and listening

你的工作在Netflix上， 我是訂閱者。所以我只是坐在那裡聽

to it and watching some things again and particularly, the other thing that got me curious was thinking

到它，又看了一些東西，特別是，另一件事讓我很好奇，就是想。

about you and your process in this, particularly with Wings of Life. And wondering, you know,

關於你和你的過程中， 特別是與生命之翼。我想知道，你知道的。

do you do so much research on these different flowers and the different insects and the

你做了這麼多的研究 這些不同的花和不同的昆蟲和

different birds and the animals before you actually go in to shoot? So I was thinking

不同的鳥類和動物在你真正去拍攝之前？所以我在想

about particularly the bucket orchid.

關於尤其是鬥蘭。

Yeah.

是啊。

And the orchid bees.

還有蘭花蜜蜂。

Right.

好吧，我知道了

And just how extraordinary it is that these bucket bees come in, they get seduced by the

而這些鬥蜂進來的時候，是多麼的不平凡，它們會被這些鬥蜂引誘。

nectar, and there’s one escape route and she holds onto that bee until she can glue

花蜜，並有一個逃學生的路線 她抓住那個蜜蜂，直到她可以膠水。

down those pollen sacs. So I was just curious to hear from you how much research you do

下那些花粉囊。所以我只是好奇地想聽聽你的意見 你做了多少研究？

before and what is… or, versus, what is the process? Like, woah, that actually happens.

之前，什麼是... 或者，相對於，什麼是過程？就像，哇，這實際上發生。

As a documentary filmmaker I’m always on the voyage of discovery.

作為一個紀錄片導演，我一直在探索的航程中。

Yeah.

是啊。

So I’m not an expert about insects or flowers, but what I do is I work with scientists and

所以我不是昆蟲或花的專家 但我所做的是與科學家們合作

I hear all the, you know, research and the stories and I pick the most seductive story

我聽到了所有的，你知道的，研究和故事，我選擇了最誘人的故事。

that I think will help me tell the grander story of what we’re trying to, you know,

我想這將幫助我講述一個宏偉的故事 我們正在努力，你知道的。

show. So the orchid bee, I loved it ‘cause it reminded me of a guy going from one bar

演出。所以，蘭花蜜蜂，我喜歡它，因為它讓我想起了一個人 從一個酒吧

to the other trying to score some perfume so he can get a date. Right?

到另一個試圖得分 一些香水，所以他可以得到一個日期。對吧？

Yeah.

是啊。

But every time he does, he almost dies.

但每次他都差點死掉。

And that’s what got me so scared with that scene. I was like oh my goodness, is this

而這也是讓我如此害怕的那一幕。我當時想，哦，我的上帝，這是

orchid just gonna kill the bee?

蘭花就這樣殺了蜜蜂？

Yeah. So the typical male is going from bar to bar trying to pick up a girl and, you know,

是啊，所以典型的男性從酒吧到酒吧所以，典型的男性是怎麼回事 從酒吧到酒吧試圖拿起一個女孩和，你知道，

and every time he does he almost dies. But after that experience he does it all over

而每次他做的時候，他都差點死掉。但經過那次經歷後，他又重新做了一次

again. The drive for life to go forward is so strong, it’s unstoppable. And in most

再次。生命前進的動力是如此強烈，勢不可擋。而在大多數

species, I mean, they’ll give up food and water in order to mate. You know, and it’s

我的意思是，他們會放棄食物和水 為了交配。你知道，它是

pretty amazing and powerful. So when I… so rather than just doing a story about a

相當驚人和強大的，所以當我...所以，當我... 所以，而不僅僅是做一個故事 關於一個...

bee, you know, I hear, well, there’s a bumblebee and there’s a honeybee and then there’s

蜜蜂，你知道，我聽說，嗯，有一個大黃蜂 有一個蜜蜂，然後有

the orchid bee. What a rare experience it was to shoot that in Panama. As a matter of

蘭花蜜蜂。在巴拿馬拍攝，這是多麼難得的經歷。事實上

fact, it really had never been recorded on film before. But when the scientists told

事實上，它確實從未被記錄在膠片上。但當科學家們告訴

me about that story I thought it was a great opener because it’s not lovey dovey, it’s

我覺得這個故事是個很好的開場白，因為它不是愛情，而是...

not a Pollyanna story. Right?

不是一個波利安娜的故事。對吧？

Right.

好吧，我知道了

I mean, it engages you because the bee almost dies.

我的意思是，它讓你參與，因為蜜蜂幾乎死亡。

Yes.

是的，我知道

You know.

你知道的

Which that’s exactly what I thought was going to happen.

這正是我所認為會發生的事情。

Yeah.

是啊。

I thought he was out.

我以為他不在了

And it’s remarkable and it’s incredible and he looks like a martian.

而且很了不起，很不可思議，他看起來像個火星人。

Yup.

是啊

He’s like flourescent blue and turquoise. So that was a good way to kind of, you know,

他就像發光的藍色和綠松石。所以，這是一個很好的方式 樣的，你知道的。

grab an audience.

搶奪觀眾。

That’s awesome. And the other thing that I love, I happen to have a real affection

那真是太棒了而另一件事，我喜歡， 我碰巧有一個真正的感情，

for hummingbirds.

蜂鳥的。

Yeah.

是啊。

Like I know a lot of people do. And seeing them do those acrobatics and how you’re

就像我知道很多人做。看到他們做那些雜技和你是如何

able to capture something that moves so fast that we wouldn’t be able to see if you haven’t

能夠捕捉到的東西，移動如此之快 我們將無法看到，如果你沒有

captured it and showed it to us in this new framework.

捕捉到了它，並在這個新框架中向我們展示了它。

Well, that’s the beauty of slow motion again. We live in this narrow world, we’re recording

嗯，這又是慢動作的魅力所在。我們生活在這個狹隘的世界裡，我們在記錄。

right now at 24 frames per second. That’s the human POV. There’s a lot of… when

現在在每秒24幀。那是人類的視角有很多的...

I say POV, point of view.

我說POV，觀點。

Yeah.

是啊。

For the audience.

對觀眾來說：

Yeah.

是啊。

And what a wonderful way to expand your mind and your consciousness to realize that there

多麼美妙的方式來拓展你的思想和意識，讓你意識到有

are so many different ways of looking at life that is real. And slow motion, with the hummingbirds,

是那麼多不同的生活方式，是真實的。而慢動作，與蜂鳥。

it puts you into their world of, you know, you’re seeing the combat, you’re seeing

它讓你進入他們的世界， 你知道，你看到的戰鬥，你看到的

the twirls and all those acrobatics but to our eyes it’s just a blur.

旋轉和所有這些雜技 但對我們的眼睛來說，它只是一個模糊的。

Yes.

是的，我知道

You see a hummingbird go by go [woosh]. There it went. And so to be in their world, to see

你看到一隻蜂鳥經過... ...去[嗖]。它走了。所以，在他們的世界裡，看到

it from their point of view, it opens your heart and I think it makes you appreciate

它從他們的角度來看，它打開你的心臟，我認為它使你欣賞。

life, it makes you appreciate hummingbirds, maybe it’ll make you put up a feeder in

生活中，它讓你欣賞蜂鳥，也許它會讓你把一個餵養器在

your backyard.

你的後院。

Yes, I have them.

是的，我有。

Do you?

你有嗎？

Yeah.

是啊。

And… and that’s good because I think it generates compassion.

而且... 這很好，因為我認為這能讓人產生同情心。

Yes.

是的，我知道

By being present and mindful, and gratitude.

通過身臨其境，心懷感恩。

Let’s talk about the power of focus. You know, in this world, especially with technology,

我們來談談專注的力量。你知道，在這個世界上，尤其是在技術上。

which I think can be such an asset and then sometimes it can be a hindrance, I hear so

我認為這可以是這樣的資產 然後有時它可以是一個障礙，我聽到這樣的

many people struggling with what to focus on. They have so many choices from what foods

很多人都在為關注什麼而苦惱。他們有這麼多的選擇，從什麼食物

to buy, from what to do with their businesses and their careers and what to watch and what

購，從他們的企業和事業的發展，到看什麼，以及什麼

to read, and I know for you, you really have to choose your focus. There’s so many things

讀，我知道對你來說，你真的要選擇你的重點。有這麼多的事情

that you could put your camera on. And even within the frame of what you want to shoot,

你可以把你的相機。甚至在你想要拍攝的畫面內。

there’s so many different angles. So I’m curious if you can speak to how choosing where

有這麼多不同的角度。所以我很好奇，如果你能說說如何選擇在哪裡？

to focus both in your work and your life has evolved through what you do.

要專注於你的工作和生活都通過你的工作發展了。

Well, I think it’s a wonderful metaphor if you look at it from a cinematographer’s

我覺得這是一個很好的比喻，如果你從一個攝影師的角度來看的話。

point of view. You have to choose the right lens, the right F-stop in order to tell a

的觀點。你必須選擇合適的鏡頭，合適的F檔，才能講述一個